So I’m initiating a weekend feature on the site – I’m trying to shake it up! – taking a look at a single issue from a variety of angles, making connections based on the available reporting from the week. Today I’ll be looking at Afghanistan, and the changing politics around the potential for escalating troop numbers.
A few months ago, Nancy Pelosi said unequivocally that the vote on the supplemental funding for Afghanistan was the hardest vote her caucus had to take all year. The prospect of Democrats owning the war, now among the longest in American history, at a time when the strategy has seemingly become unmoored from its initial foundation, which was to provide security against further Al Qaeda strikes in the West. During the 2008 campaign President Obama vowed to return focus and attention back to Afghanistan, and that manifested itself in an increase of 21,000 forces back in March – although the real number was potentially much higher. Now the commanding general, Stanley McChrystal, has asked for an additional commitment of at least 40,000 more troops, even though the military could not send that many over the next three months without a major strain on the Army and Marines.
McChrystal’s call for more troops and more patience despite the war moving into its ninth year is rapidly becoming more than many Democrats can swallow, reflective of public opinion souring on the war effort. A long New York Times magazine piece offers a pretty good condensed version of the stakes:
The magnitude of the choice presented by McChrystal, and now facing President Obama, is difficult to overstate. For what McChrystal is proposing is not a temporary, Iraq-style surge — a rapid influx of American troops followed by a withdrawal. McChrystal’s plan is a blueprint for an extensive American commitment to build a modern state in Afghanistan, where one has never existed, and to bring order to a place famous for the empires it has exhausted. Even under the best of circumstances, this effort would most likely last many more years, cost hundreds of billions of dollars and entail the deaths of many more American women and men.
And that’s if it succeeds.
The article lays out the McChrystal counter-insurgency strategy, with its emphasis on protecting local populations and winning their support. However, the corrupt national government led currently by Hamid Karzai, shown most clearly by the fraudulent elections, frustrates this effort. Top Democrats are now using the elections to argue that no additional troops should be sent to Afghanistan until the situation reaches a resolution. This sentiment was echoed by Carl Levin this week:
Asked about the image and legitimacy of Karzai, Levin said uncertainty over whether the United States will have a solid partner in the Afghanistan leadership is “one of the really great problems that we have to solve.”
He said he was not sure, in the wake of the flawed Afghan presidential election, whether the United States can expect to have an effective ally in Karzai. “It adds huge complexity to any course of action,” Levin said in a breakfast with newspaper reporters hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.
…and today, by Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chair John Kerry:
With Afghanistan’s election crisis deepening, Sen. John Kerry says it would be irresponsible for the U.S. to consider sending additional troops to the region at this time.
In taped remarks, Kerry said it would be misguided to have a troop buildup to achieve a mission of “good governance” when the election is not yet finished.
If the elections result in a runoff, which even the Afghan ambassador to the US expects, that would probably not be able to happen, due to weather, until the spring, putting the troop question in a holding pattern for months.
Because of the flawed elections and rampant corruption, Gen. McChrystal has acknowledged that even a buildup of as many as 80,000 troops would not prevent chaos, although in the NYT piece, he addressed the Karzai question this way:
When I asked McChrystal about this, it was the one issue that he seemed not to have thought through. What if the Afghan people see their own government as illegitimate? How would you fight for something like that?
“Then we are going to have to avoid looking like we are part of the illegitimacy,” the general said. “That is the key thing.”
It just doesn’t seem possible to disassociate the military occupation from the government they are trying to protect and defend.
Escalation clearly still has backers in Washington, and not just among Republicans, as evidenced by today’s op-ed from Ike Skelton and Joe Lieberman in the Washington Post. But the arguments of those backers are gradually becoming incoherent. They claim that failure in Afghanistan will lead to safe havens for Al Qaeda, when the Taliban already controls large swaths of the country and yet has not welcomed Al Qaeda’s return. They claim that the key to success lies in building up the Afghan security forces, when 90% of them are illiterate and their current presence is mostly illusory, and the kind of funds that would be needed to support them in the desired numbers in the long term far outstrips total Afghan GDP. They maintain that this is a turning point in the war, when A.J. Rossmiller’s smart take obliterates that claim:
There is not a single Afghanistan myth more prevalent or more specious than this one. To be at a “critical juncture” implies that one side or the other is poised to decisively gain the upper hand and therefore to win. But the situation in Afghanistan is almost the exact opposite of that. I will likely have my pundit card revoked for saying so–nothing diverts attention like saying that a situation isn’t at a critical turning point–but it’s true. After eight years of fighting, two things seem clear: First, the insurgency does not have the capability to defeat U.S. forces or depose Afghanistan’s central government; and, second, U.S. forces do not have the ability to vanquish the insurgency. It’s true that the Taliban has gained ground in recent months, but, absent a full and immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops, it cannot retake sovereign control. This is not to say that Afghanistan isn’t unstable; it clearly is. That has been the case for eight years, however, and, in the absence of some shocking, unforeseen development, it could be true for another eight or 18 or 80 years. An increase of tens of thousands of troops will not change that fact, nor will subtle tactical changes. Rather than teetering on the edge of some imagined precipice, the situation in Afghanistan is at a virtual stalemate. Only by appropriately characterizing the current situation in Afghanistan can we begin to determine the best way to achieve our stated goals there.
This is the outlook that seems to be gaining support inside the White House, as more and more insiders come around to the pessimistic view of Vice President Joe Biden (here’s a nice precis of the major White House players and their views on Afghanistan). Other Democrats, like Robert Byrd (who made his first appearance on the Senate floor in a month to speak against mission creep in the war effort) and Jane Harman have pulled away from any escalation.
There are actually a variety of policy options in between major escalation or leaving, and that’s likely to be where the Obama Administration will place themselves. They could retreat to the major cities and protect them, or simply try to buy off the Taliban, though so far, efforts at reconciling with them have not proven successful. There could be a heavier reliance on air attacks, though that was a key part of the previous Administration’s failure in Afghanistan, and seemed to only anger local populations. In short, no strategy comes with a perfect model for success.
One final note; the nascent Waziristan offensive in Pakistan, where local forces are fighting extremist elements where they have gathered, seems far closer to the mission of disrupting and dismantling safe havens in the region than any nation-building project. And that’s being undertaken without any US troops at all.
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V. interesting article. My view is the Afghan strategy rework is an avenue to force the Karzai govt. to agree a revote or, failing that best choice option, at least include at a high level Dr. Abdullah. This will encourage Afghani citizens to view their govt. as more representative and less corrupt post the new admin in the US. Anything less reflects poorly on the US and will cast suspicion on our interests there.
While it is true the Pakastani assault is purely their army and initiative, it is also true that the US is assisting with money and weaponry. I don’t believe these aggressive tactics in the mountainous areas would have been undertaken w/o assurance of American aid.
I dearly hope bin Laden gets caught up. That would be a terrific result.
This is so bogus.
We have no reasonable mission in that region, unless its control of the natural resources and the land over which they will travel to get to us.
If that’s what we’re about then we’ll have to suppress the locals with a war, and set up bases to protect “our interests.”
Come on Obama and DOD say it. Speak the truth.
If it’s not that, the region holds no threats to the USA and her people. Get out yesterday.
I wish I had the clip but way back when we were first finding out bush had no intention of ever leaving iraq there were plenty of stories with actual links telling us bush said [paraphrased because I cannot find the link];
“I am going to make it so the next president cannot leave”
we all went balistic but didn’t do anything with that info
now is the time to do something with that info, if we bring that back out we can embarass the administration into admitting bush had him played under the table and through the door, into next week, played into next year and next term
see how he likes being played by a moron
we need to find that story and give it some legs once more
I don’t see how in the world we can rationalize nation building anywhere but in the USA.
I think randi rhodes pointed out that for the treasure spent on these wars we could put every iraqi household head to work for quite a bit more then they make now
imagine that if it’s true
For the money we spent in these wars and in the DOD we could stimulate the economy big time with real jobs, education, health care… you name it.
Waste of money, waste of lives, abuse of the good intentions of the American people.
if obombya wants to own this war, he is going to have to do what lbj failed to do[i.e., put in enough troops/materiel to control the country].
that would mean the restoration of a “draft” and the investment of 500,000 – 2,000,000 troops. and all that entails.
short of that, it is just military masturbation. a war of attrition. with the u.s. economy and constitution being attrited.
it was a scheme to launder middle class treasure to the very few, and they didn’t care what vig they paid for that laundering
they couldn’t care less if they destroyed this country, killed 100’s of thousands, lamed mutilated and killed our own and our children
that’s the vig they were happy to pay laundering their booty
The War in Afghanistan is over, it’s all about saving face now.
http://watching-history.blogspot.com/2009/10/war-in-afghanistan-2001-201x.html
You said you were going to look at the situation from various angles, but it seems you’ve only linked to the warring US views. What about viewing it from really various angles, like how the world, including the specific factions over there.
Truly various views would include a bigger picture. Since you’re new, you don’t know me and thus, our initial meet up may sound critical. People here usually view me as someone who only comes here for social discourse.
You have some big shoes to fill and I wish you the best.
Also, I’m actually impressed that the US government is enlightened enough to view the weather as a faction. Better than what has worked against us in the past.
The big unresolvable problem for Obama is that when you do eventually leave Afghanistan, it’s going to be grim. It’s grim now, it was grim ten years ago, and it’s going to be grim in ten years from now. Afghanistan is not going to become Sweden, no matter what anyone does. So that sucks for Afghans but where it sucks for you is that Obama is well aware that he will be blamed for the grimness. Every time someone is stoned, there’ll be outrage from the right. Every time a school for girls is closed down. The fighting — and there will be fighting — will be Obama’s fault. The social injustice, all his fault. He is stuck with it.
What a waste America is! You have so much promise, so much ingenuity, so many people with great hearts, and you spend it all on bigger explosions. Instead of our beloved cousin, you are the guy we all avoid at parties, if your mother is fool enough to bring you. Such a pity.
This diary really puts it in terms that are telling:
How Come We Can Afford 400 Buck Gasoline in Afghanistan, But We Can’t Afford Health Care Reform?
so we’ll just have our usual Sunday night post to balance it out.
Valley Girl! I have so missed you.
Look what you come back to. A thread with no present host and the lazy blog of mostly quoting other people.
See why I’ve missed you?
The wheel is turning and you can’t slow down
You can’t let go and you can’t hold on
You can’t go back and you can’t stand still
If the thunder don’t get you then the lightning will
Jerry Garcia is NOT “other people”!
And, as a Brit friend said to me in email-
Hey demi!
And, here I am, in the comments, lazily quoting another person! -my Brit friend. Sigh.
Put in my winter garden today. Lettuces, onions, garlic.
Am I wrong for calling this kind of post what I called it? Prolly. I had such a nice day. Don’t mean to be a bitch.
Nah, call it what fits for you.
We’ve had to break out the winter clothes, pretty rare for Georgia.
You’re fine, my friend. Just a sight for sore eyes.
Time for da Bears and playoffs, have fun ya’ll.
I’d love to hear what the USIP has to say about this. They’ve been working on rule of law issues in Afganistan almost since we got there. You’d think their experiences with the Karzai government and local communities would yield some insight worth weighing when deliberating McChrystal’s proposal.
Your mention of the weather reminded me of something- it’s not unimportant. I remember another Brit friend (sigh) absolutely predicting the course of events in the Serbian entanglement- he told me that the events were predictable, because of how conditions on the ground change with the weather. I wish I could remember more, but those in Europe and beyond have had a lot more wars fought on their own ground than “we” have- and thus are more astute in some matters.
Forget the election unless the UN and Jimmy Carter say it was a fair election.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/9933
We need to mention this fact on TV I want to see the Tea Baggers head’s explode when we point out that a vote for more war guarantees a huge tax increase!
I don’t much think of our kleptocracy democracy, why would the Afghans want it??
Hubris, manifest destiny type of american hubris, that’s all.
Notice Healthcare has to be paid for out of the budget but the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan do not.
Notice Ossama is in Pakistan but our troops are not!
Notice that Al Queida in Afghanistan is a small group compared to the other groups fighting us in Afghanistan.
Al Quieda already has a safe haven Pakistan.
Either we get them where they live or we go home.
demi- forgive me if my very odd sense of humor misfires- and I am making a pretty odd association here, but this is one of my favorite Talking Heads youtubes and thought of it because, well it captures aspects of War- I pulled it up and was thinking
This ain’t no Dupars, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no fooling around”
Talking Heads – Life During Wartime
Because they are stealing from us? Granted the groups fighting us are not in on the take. A real plan for Afghanistan would have us paying small farmers cash to grow crops instead of drugs. This way we cut off Taliban and probably some of Ossama’s funding.
Of course then General McChrystal would have nobody to fight.
Great tune it fits the topic:)
TY Things- glad you understand why I linked it.
No forgiveness needed. I love David Byrnes. Saw him live in the late 8o’s at the Greek Theatre. I won’t get into the details, but I was awake All Night.
He’s hot.
And as ever, Afghanistan is where empires go to die…
Actually, Obama did put the wars in the budget, as a smart tactic for exactly the kind of ‘more troops/bombs’ arguments he expected. The higher taxes/deficits argument is working on the right.
There’s a long sad history of colonization that’s made Afghanistan what it is today: imagined borders that only serve money-laundering-leaders, 90% illiterate, no roads to move agricultural products (besides heroin!), no industrial development, or infrastructure for just clean water. No access to the sea, thanks to the Brits. Check out Invisible History of Afghanistan on the C-SPAN Book TV, video here http://bit.ly/NahpZ
If colonialism were ever part of the dialogue, we’d have to admit we owe and the Brits owe, big-time. Both of us used them like toilet paper, made their lives worse by every conceivable measure, as if they were mere troublesome insects on our path to self-enrichment/aggrandizement.
Even CodePink – no sold-out-lefty-slouches – went to Afghanistan’s women hoping for support for a U.S. pullout, and were stunned to hear the women want us there for protection. We armed the Taliban’s war lords, they pay for it.
So, sure, pull out, but not until we do just as we need to do here: create the system to provide meaningful green jobs, for men and women, that pay a living wage. A lot smaller investment would do 1000X as much there as here, and maybe we’d (more of us) would sit up and say: Let’s do it here, for ourselves, now.
And the Brits had best put in half the funds and people-power to get it done. They cut Afghanistan off from the Arabian Sea and created that fake worthless border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, in the first place.
I think General Stanley Chrystal’s grim assessment that we will lose soon unless 40,000 more troops are sent in, means there is no stalemate, we are losing. Perhaps our major concern should be how to get out with giving al Qaeda less to cheer about. General Chrystal never implied that victory was likely in the long run if 40,000 more troops were sent in.
I want to reinterpret his grim honest assessment as a need to get out in a hurry. Whether or not this is am exasperating, his message was definitely no pep talk.
Interpreting General Chrystar this way makes more sense than claiming the war is for no purpose, or even stupid,
RICHARDKANEpa.blogspot.com
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/10214
Careful what you ask for… Pepe Escobar on pipelineistan
Nationbuilding.
Because, that is what we’re talking about.
Bush couldn’t do it, but he was sure enough trying it.
I don’t think Obama can do it either, but the conservatives who engineered this fuckup will be delighted for him to try it, since it will, irrevocably, put a stamp of “Property of Barak Obama and the Democratic Party” on the misery.
Jacking up our committment of money and bodies MAY achieve some kind of bloody stalemate, but the other achievement, of having a lot of people who voted for the democrats last November, asking: “WTF???”, will be of more moment, since, in the highest of ironies, it will likely return control of the government to the very people who created this grotesque piece of foreign policy.