It’s draining to chase down all the public pronouncements on health care reform and the public option, which usually ends up with something Jane Hamsher has called working the yo-yo. Some Democrat or White House official backs off the public option, says it isn’t the entirety of reform, outrage ensues, and they walk it back. Lather, rinse, repeat.
In comments today on a conference call from Families USA, Senate Finance Committee chair Max Baucus worked the other side of the yo-yo. Baucus, who voted against two public option amendments in committee, told reporters that some version of the policy remains alive in negotiations on a merged bill – but what form that will take is still up in the air.
The goal, Baucus said, was to include something in the bill that keeps premiums down and keeps insurance companies honest. “We just need to find ways to help reach that goal, in addition to the provisions in the bill,” Baucus said.
Baucus cited several permutations of public option proposals under discussion, including what he described as “Medicare light [the robust public option], even playing field [proposed by Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), there’s co-ops–that’s private, not public–there’s opt in, opt out,” Baucus said.
“It’s alive,” Baucus said. “We’re trying to see what makes the most sense.”
Regardless of the effectiveness of the compromises out forth here, this is a change in emphasis – Baucus has spent recent weeks arguing that he has to protect his bill to only those measures which can attract 60 votes. Instead of whether or not a public option will exist in the bill, the new battle is what form it will take. The same dynamic is happening in the House, where Nancy Pelosi is planning to trap fiscally conservative Democrats into living up to their own rhetoric by presenting options on bills that cost less when MORE reform is administered.
Why has this changed? Roger Hickey believes that moderate Democrats are starting to rethink their opposition based on political realities.
Most importantly, Reid and Baucus need to realize that even “moderate” Democrats are rethinking their positions on health reform right now. Concentrating their minds is the realization that they are about to vote to force every American over the age of twenty five to purchase health insurance. Moderate Democrats are the ones most receptive to the demands of the insurance industry, and the price the insurance industry is demanding in exchange for insurance reform (like preventing companies from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions) is the “individual mandate” – which means voters are forced to buy insurance, whether they can afford it or not.
At this moment, all Democratic politicians, even the most conservative, are realizing that their voters will blame them, not the insurance companies, if the policies the voters are required to buy are so expensive that premiums consume over 20 percent of those voters’ annual incomes. Suddenly, more generous tax subsidies to cover middle-class premiums seem like a good idea. And if the public option can bring down the cost of premiums those subsidies have to pay for, then the overall size of the reform price tag can be kept under control – a long time demand of moderate Democrats.
Digby recalls the disaster over the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act back in the late 1980s, when Democrats were forced to repeal a bill that provided catastrophic coverage to Medicare patients because a sliver of affluent seniors didn’t like paying for the reform, and nobody felt the tangible benefits. Under a system of an unaffordable mandate without a public option, that could mirror what we see with this bill. And the way Baucus wants to make coverage more affordable is the worst kind of shell game:
Baucus said that one way to improve affordability would be to reduce the “minimum creditable coverage provision”—basically, what percentage of health care costs that insurance companies would be required to cover. One coverage category (classified as “bronze” under the Baucus bill) was set at 65% in the Senate HELP bill, which Baucus said could be reduced to 60% in conference to match the levels in the Finance Committee. Baucus hadn’t indicated that the Democrats’ conference-committee had come to a final agreement on the issue, but the attention he paid to detailing this option seemed to make his preference clear. While the Finance chairman did note in passing that “higher subsidies” were one way to address the coverage issue, he didn’t bother to elaborate, adding only that “we don’t want to go much over $900 billion over ten years.”
This matches what Olympia Snowe has offered as a way to make health care more “affordable,” but it’s the worst way imaginable: by reducing what that insurance coverage would actually pay for. It won’t be long before people getting subsidies recognize that their coverage is worthless when they have to shell out more and more money for care (I’m not sure out-of-pocket caps would even cover things that aren’t covered in insurance plans to begin with).
This leads us back to the public option. Without this safety valve, both to depress costs and to offer an alternative to those angered by being forced to throwing hundreds of dollars a month at rich insurance execs, public opinion will be likely to take down health care reform, even if it passes. And maybe that’s what Baucus is signaling. Of course, the President could simply refuse to honor deals with industry stakeholders and find enough money to make health care affordable while increasing price competition. After all, this would be the fiscally sound, politically popular and most meritorious (from a policy perspective) thing to do.
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Why can’t Reid put the PO in the bill and force Senators to vote against it? There’s not 60 votes to take it out.
That would virtually insure that Dems get re-elected and goppies won’t (b/c they’d all vote against it).
Obama should just legalize marijuana, tax it and use the revenue to pay for single-payer or a PO . . . but that would make too much sense, I guess.
He can. Now let’s see if he does.
F,
I like you first suggestion. I’d prefer he put Single Payer in instead.
As to the ganja tax, the math doesn’t work to pay for diddly, with or without Bo.
My math says 20-30% of all private insurance money adds up to about $300-450 BILLION a year we’re that we’re currently forking over as vigorish. We shift those funds and my $18K a year for insurance can either drop to $12,500, or we can have universal coverage and still save me a couple grand a year.
Contituents in mirror are closer than they appear!
Great line! It looks like hope is back in the formula. I believe much credit is due to the work of the pups (and the rest of the crowd in pajamas.) Even the WaPo has the latest polls in today’s edition.
David, you know full well whatever must be done industry profits must survive.
Profit off sick humans ultimately will never work, and I suspect–but do not know–that all of this is fruitless with single payer and the bloodsucking health insurance gone. Gonzo. See ya. That is the reality of workable solutions, no other.
The endless interminable process is having its intended effect; real leadership would not have allowed it to happen. Distortion and lame excuse are always the result.
I’m sick unto death of this. This country is often a reeling joke.
“The goal, Baucus said, was to include something in the bill that keeps premiums down and keeps insurance companies honest. ‘We just need to find ways to help reach that goal, in addition to the provisions in the bill,’ Baucus said.”
Pick one, Baucus:
1. Nationalize insurance companies and kill profit motive.
2. Put strong regulations in place on the industry.
Either choice will meet your goals. My insurance company, Aetna, has already raised my coverage by $50/month in anticipation of the coming corporate rape of America. Whatever you think you’re doing right now, it sure as shit isn’t keeping premiums down.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I think it’s time to evaluate the situation on the battlefield, the allocation of resources and the strategies employed on both sides. First of all the troops on the ground or the elected representatives who will vote, favor reform in increasing numbers and as it becomes clear that the fascist opposition can’t use it’s cash to buy more votes than they started with because of support of the folks back home, then the morale or courage to fight increases among the “good guys”. Second is the field command and here again the anti-fascists have it all over the fascist opposition even when includin’ One Hung Harry Reid since the leader in the House of Representatives is smart, strong and ultimately is fightin’ for her very existance as Speaker while the Senate majority leader is at the mercy of the “supreme commander” for his very existance and his re-election and the cash advantage of the fascist corporations can’t buy him his seat if reform is not accomplished. And finally there is the supreme command on each side and for a political fight that by it’s nature becomes a war of attrition, the anti-fascist forces have a White House that is able to keep it’s troops fed and workin’ by usin’ the strength of support in the “homeland” and attractin’ the fire of the opposition on themselves and away from the troops in the field.
As hard as this is to accept, Obama has at this point played this perfectly. He has been able to drag this fight out while increasing support for his side at home and allowing the fascists to waste the biggest advantage they had which was cash and the corporate media on attacks on him and an amorphous ideological fight which in the end didn’t swing a single vote.
There is no way, at this point, that a strong public option will not be part of the final bill and cloture will not be a problem because there will be Republican votes for cloture if not for the final product.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, DON’T BACK DOWN NOW!!
I’m very surprised that more business groups haven’t weighed in to support a public option. It seems like a big net gain for any company that provides health care benefits.
I guess they are reading the polls and thinking of re-election. How is it possible?
The idea that they can pass mandates without PO is absurd. Maybe what they finally see in the rear view mirror is themselves as roadkill, not teh PO.
Most of them sing the song of the Chamber of Commerce and by doing so cut their own throats.
Have to agree with you on the dragging it out and letting them spend their piles of cash and energy without gaining anything. Almost a military strategy, wouldn’t you say.
You so smart, man.
How’s my favorite Viking?
I agree that Obsms has played this perfectly so far. The first move was to get Health Reform on the table, in whatever form. That’s why he never pushed the PO (but never scotched it either). This gets the Conservative Dems on board, while isolating the Thugs, who won’t vote for anything. Than he conned Mrs Snowe into thinking she had real input, when all they needed was for the Finance Committee to vote a bill. By this time, months after the campaign started, the public are waking up to the cost of Mrs. Snowe’s and similar ‘mandates’. They want reform, but not that kind. But the only other kind is Public Option. This paints the Blue Dogs into a corner, as they are getting heat from their constituents. The Thugs have to defend the Insurance Companies who pay their bills, at a time when people are waking up to the fact that there is no competition in the insurance company. The rider to end their anti-trust exemption forces the insurance companies to open up a new lobbying front at a time when they need to deploy all their forces to halt PO.
This is wonderful to watch. Obama has nerves of steel to wait for all this to play out. Something our previous leaders have lacked.
Citizen demi:
Thanx Citizen…I gotta pulse and a blood pressure and it’s always nice ta see the sun come up…and ain’t it great ta have a President with brains??!!!
An approach likely to succeed is to advocate and agitate for the PO and single payer plans in tandem. The argument for this is the nature of the beast this country represents.
The extent to which the congress is compromised and allows for incremental change, is seen by the tortuous struggle required to get the PO to be taken seriously only after tremendous netroots support. And still its ultimate enactment is not a foregone conclusion.
Once enacted, every effort should be expended to assure that the PO remains viable and sustainable. And there is good reason to believe that even as now conceived it can work with it‘s limited pool of enrollees, right mix of risk within the pool, sufficient government subsidies to meet lower premiums and the right rate of reimbursement. Ideally, by exerting some leverage the PO may also to some extent reign in provider related costs.
If enacted the PO will need to withstand the onslaught from private insurers and its minions in congress, because the PO will be a direct attack on their profits. However if the PO is ultimately able to accomplish its primary goals then the case for making it more generally available will be easily made.
Senate Health Care Bill is online. Link here.
I think you are misreading Obama completely, he is neither Machiavellian nor astute. He is scum of the worst sort.
In the first place there is no reason to go through all these machinations as he has more than ample support to wield a strong hand. That he doesn’t shows him to be a cowering weakling waiting for the eventual winner to surface before allying himself with that faction.
His true inclination is to toady to the market and its dominant class, as seen not only by what he has said but what he has done. The vile and enormous transfer of public wealth to that very class is unprecedented and has left the country very nearly destitute.
Obama is spineless, better to have a fierce advocate for the public good any day.
To get serious reform, it seems that the Democrats must act without any Republican support. So President Obama must bring the recalcitrant Democrats into line. As I suggested earlier, if the threat to run a primary challenge against them doesn’t work, Obama should lock each one in a room where Rahm Emanuel can speak to them while Reggie Love hovers.
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Kind of like “Rope-a-Dope” don’t you think? I think it is all part of his plan as well. Even as to the progressives bitching. By the time this comes to a vote in December the tea baggers and their ilk will have burned themselves out and the Blue Dogs will understand that they can’t keep fighting the tide of the will of the American People.
Even though it looks leader-like and makes for a good photo op, being in the front of the troops and acting brave isn’t real smart. The guy in the front prancing back and forth usually gets shot first.
Imagine if the President had taken the lead on this. Not only would he have to take the heat for it he would also have to carry the burden of all the Obama hatred and the end timers of the Rethugs. All at the same time. If he isn’t that smart like you think then I think he is really lucky. It is working. But keep on complaining, it keeps the Rethugs thinking they’re on to something and they will burn out quicker.
I will, thank you very much. While I’m the first to admit glee at seeing movement in the right direction for a change, the fact remains a health care reform bill with even Hacker’s original PO in it IS A COMPROMISE. The health insurance industry will still make billions in unecessary profit, create billions in unnecessary inefficiencies and red tape, and continue to “murder by spreadsheet.”
Damned right I’m gonna keep complaining.
How come no one is arguing this simple fact-”If the free market worked for all Americans then we would all have affordable health care.” It doesn’t work, and there is no reason to think it will ever work. Therefore we need to do something different. Like competition with the Public Option. Better of course would be single payer, but that is almost too much to wish for with all the campaign cash thrown to the Senate.
Another truism-”If the insurance companies were willing to make some changes they would have already done so. Especially in the face of pending legislation.”
I think we should have some really draconian legislation proposed that would kick their asses into high gear to do something for the sake of the people of the country that allows them to make so much money in the first place. Or put them out of business, that would be alright with me.
There is every reason to believe that the complaining from the left is having an effect. It is possible that the administration is not as clever as I might think, and instead of leading needs to be lead. Our complaining and keeping the dialogue alive may be the breeze that is pushing the health care boat in the right direction. It certainly cannot hurt.
Gam, a few days ago I savaged you in a post for a rather pedantic style, but today your substance is spot-on. Many, many times in this battle Obama has attempted to ditch the PO, and would have gladly if it allowed him to smile and declare victory. Only a massive, straining effort has kept him from throwing us all under the insurance company bus. And may all you Kool-aid guzzlers out there please remember that it was Obama who sold us ALL out way back in February when he summarily executed single -payer by “taking it off the table.” Then he cut a whopping good deal for Giant Pharma that will result in the continued skyrocketing cost of medicines due to NO gov’t ability to negotiate for lower prices and NO ability to import medications from cheaper priced countries. (I know this one well, for an expensive drug I occasionally need has risen 50.7% in just over 2 years.) This “Obama is a Jedi-Knight” fantasy that wants desperately to believe that this obvious Goldman-Sachs corporatist is really on our side is a laughable delusion – a holdover from the giddiness of election night. And remember, there is no guarantee that this “imminent” PO is going to be anything but reform in name only. Good Night and Good Luck.
“Even though it looks leader-like and makes for a good photo op, being in the front of the troops and acting brave isn’t real smart. The guy in the front prancing back and forth usually gets shot first.”
Thank God FDR didn’t follow this fallacious battle analogy.
If something falls in place on this health care farce it will be in spite of Obams, not because of him. And I remember saying on election night that the best thing O has going for him is not his brains (unimpressive) or his guts (non-existent) but his luck. No doubt about that, Obama is LUCKY. Just look at the timing of his career in politics.
It ain’t over until its over, and this is starting to look like deja vu all over again.
Exactly, exactly, exactly. Gazillions more in the health cartel’s war coffers which they will use to undercut the PO in every way. If Congerss coupled a VERY strong PO with a repeal of the anti-trust exemption enjoyed by the the cartel I might start celebrating. Short of that we are simply hoisting Champagne glasses to smoke and mirrors.
Ok, now that we’re all going to be required to pay much more out-of-pocket, it’s even more clear that this isn’t health care reform, it’s insurance reform (more industry bail-out than anything else). In many cases, health insurance will never actually provide any health CARE. The only possible justification for requiring any type of insurance is liability – in the case of health insurance the “liability” would be to protect the State from having to cover a person’s care. So why isn’t a self-insurance option included? If I have to pay such a large portion of my medical expenses anyway, I should have the option of saving all those premiums in an account to pay for catastropic expenses. Even mandatory auto insurance has a self-insured bond option. A person should only need to write “self-insured” on his income tax return to avoid any fine.
obama campaigned against individual mandates. regardless if there is a po, there should be no individual mandates.