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	<title>Comments on: Goldman Sachs Vice-Chair: People Must &#8220;Tolerate the Inequality&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: RobNYNY1957</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/goldman-sachs-vice-chair-people-must-tolerate-the-inequality/#comment-1084</link>
		<dc:creator>RobNYNY1957</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had drinks last night with a friend of mine who works at Citibank.  You will be happy to hear that employees are not getting bonuses.  They are, however, gettting &quot;retroactive raises,&quot; which are completely different.  Your tax dollars at work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had drinks last night with a friend of mine who works at Citibank.  You will be happy to hear that employees are not getting bonuses.  They are, however, gettting &#8220;retroactive raises,&#8221; which are completely different.  Your tax dollars at work.</p>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote Johnny Rotten, another Brit, at the last Sex Pistols show at the Winterland in San Francisco in 1979:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eod47vBEVJ0#t=7m30s&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Did you ever get the feeling you&#039;ve been cheated?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Finance has a competitive advantage which sucks capital away from objectively productive pursuits because it offers 30:1 returns on investment compared to maybe 8% on a real investment.  Government&#039;s role is to ensure that dangerous disparities in power between competing constituencies are reconciled in a way that benefits the most.  

This happens often in land use, where more profitable land uses are restricted in order to create space for less profitable, but economically essential uses.  In gentrifying areas, luxury housing often crowds out job producing light industrial uses because housing generates hundreds of dollars per square foot while production generates tens per sq/ft.

At the end of the day, the costs of finance arguably outweigh the fleeting &quot;prosperity.&quot;  But so long as the profits generated by finance are sufficient to both crowd out production as well as purchase elections, these people will ride the economy down the tubes like Slim Pickens rode the H Bomb in &quot;Dr. Strangelove.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote Johnny Rotten, another Brit, at the last Sex Pistols show at the Winterland in San Francisco in 1979:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eod47vBEVJ0#t=7m30s" rel="nofollow">Did you ever get the feeling you&#8217;ve been cheated?</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Finance has a competitive advantage which sucks capital away from objectively productive pursuits because it offers 30:1 returns on investment compared to maybe 8% on a real investment.  Government&#8217;s role is to ensure that dangerous disparities in power between competing constituencies are reconciled in a way that benefits the most.  </p>
<p>This happens often in land use, where more profitable land uses are restricted in order to create space for less profitable, but economically essential uses.  In gentrifying areas, luxury housing often crowds out job producing light industrial uses because housing generates hundreds of dollars per square foot while production generates tens per sq/ft.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, the costs of finance arguably outweigh the fleeting &#8220;prosperity.&#8221;  But so long as the profits generated by finance are sufficient to both crowd out production as well as purchase elections, these people will ride the economy down the tubes like Slim Pickens rode the H Bomb in &#8220;Dr. Strangelove.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: onitgoes</title>
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		<dc:creator>onitgoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is it that conservatives seem to think that all liberals are lazy slackers somehow sucking off the system? Everyone I know works hard and frankly contributes just as much to our economy (or more) as any conservative does; many of my liberal pals are business owners who employ others. This meme that these uber wealthy conservatives are all such hard, hard workers who are being ripped off by us neer-do-well liberals, dirty messicans, cadillac welfare AA, etc, is really top of the line b.s.

I&#039;ve worked 2 jobs most of my life, and I&#039;m close to 60. I&#039;ve saved a lot and watched a lot of it get ripped off by jugglers &amp; clowns like Mr. Little Lord Fauntleroy here, and I certainly don&#039;t appreciate his aggravating disdain and arrogance. I&#039;m also like: well, yeah, Lord Hoo-Hah, you just go move along to... ??? good luck with that.  No one likes you anyway.

To imply that this ginned up &quot;better&quot; somehow shouldn&#039;t pay his fair share in taxes bc he &quot;works so hard&quot; and &quot;creates jobs&quot; is just stupid.

It&#039;s quite something else how successful the 1% have been in getting a big portion of the population to vote and act against their own interests, while demonizing those of us who highlight the reality of what&#039;s really happening.

This here recession: like, it&#039;s not bc of my slackerdom. It&#039;s bc of greedheads like Lord HaHa here, who gambled and played around with my money and lost my money (but not his money). And frankly, this aristocratic sack of shite could care less about anyone not in the 1% club, including dumb conservative serfs who support his b.s.  He&#039;s not gonna toss any of us - conservative or liberal - any more bones or crumbs than he absolutely has to, no matter how much we might try to suck up to him.  Sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it that conservatives seem to think that all liberals are lazy slackers somehow sucking off the system? Everyone I know works hard and frankly contributes just as much to our economy (or more) as any conservative does; many of my liberal pals are business owners who employ others. This meme that these uber wealthy conservatives are all such hard, hard workers who are being ripped off by us neer-do-well liberals, dirty messicans, cadillac welfare AA, etc, is really top of the line b.s.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve worked 2 jobs most of my life, and I&#8217;m close to 60. I&#8217;ve saved a lot and watched a lot of it get ripped off by jugglers &amp; clowns like Mr. Little Lord Fauntleroy here, and I certainly don&#8217;t appreciate his aggravating disdain and arrogance. I&#8217;m also like: well, yeah, Lord Hoo-Hah, you just go move along to&#8230; ??? good luck with that.  No one likes you anyway.</p>
<p>To imply that this ginned up &#8220;better&#8221; somehow shouldn&#8217;t pay his fair share in taxes bc he &#8220;works so hard&#8221; and &#8220;creates jobs&#8221; is just stupid.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s quite something else how successful the 1% have been in getting a big portion of the population to vote and act against their own interests, while demonizing those of us who highlight the reality of what&#8217;s really happening.</p>
<p>This here recession: like, it&#8217;s not bc of my slackerdom. It&#8217;s bc of greedheads like Lord HaHa here, who gambled and played around with my money and lost my money (but not his money). And frankly, this aristocratic sack of shite could care less about anyone not in the 1% club, including dumb conservative serfs who support his b.s.  He&#8217;s not gonna toss any of us &#8211; conservative or liberal &#8211; any more bones or crumbs than he absolutely has to, no matter how much we might try to suck up to him.  Sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: Legion303</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/goldman-sachs-vice-chair-people-must-tolerate-the-inequality/#comment-1067</link>
		<dc:creator>Legion303</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you missed my point, which was not that GS are saints, but that the trolls around here (&quot;sad4america&quot;) need to do a little more research before getting their panties bunched up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you missed my point, which was not that GS are saints, but that the trolls around here (&#8220;sad4america&#8221;) need to do a little more research before getting their panties bunched up.</p>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 04:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But look at the bright side: could there possibly be a dumber thing to say, even in private, at a time like this? Marie Antoinette&#039;s cake gag (mentioned above) comes close, but hardly surpasses it. Lord Ha Ha&#039;s timing is even better than that of the geniuses that gave us the transparently bogus AHIP report a few days back--perfect for pouring gasoline on the barely smoldering fire of public opinion. The politicians and lobbyists that are paid to do His Lordship&#039;s talking for him are no doubt tearing their hair and clawing for the Pepto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But look at the bright side: could there possibly be a dumber thing to say, even in private, at a time like this? Marie Antoinette&#8217;s cake gag (mentioned above) comes close, but hardly surpasses it. Lord Ha Ha&#8217;s timing is even better than that of the geniuses that gave us the transparently bogus AHIP report a few days back&#8211;perfect for pouring gasoline on the barely smoldering fire of public opinion. The politicians and lobbyists that are paid to do His Lordship&#8217;s talking for him are no doubt tearing their hair and clawing for the Pepto.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/goldman-sachs-vice-chair-people-must-tolerate-the-inequality/#comment-1059</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for covering this item!!

I think that this Lord is the very guy that I saw interviewed (on video) at the Financial Times in a clip yesterday.  I honestly almost emailed them to inquire who did the spoof; then I realized that it was almost certainly &#039;real&#039;.  (Or maybe it was another Lord-like type, a UK bankster saying it was all quite pleasant to be in a business where you get to take a cut of the government giving you money that you then lend out at interest -- quite the toff, he wuz.  Bet his wife has lovely posh frocks and a full calendar of charity auction dates.)

I&#039;m pleased that technologies like online video and the Internet are making it possible for more people to get glimpses of these attitudes.  

The insolence is so authentic it&#039;s comedic, assuming you prefer your comedy inky black.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for covering this item!!</p>
<p>I think that this Lord is the very guy that I saw interviewed (on video) at the Financial Times in a clip yesterday.  I honestly almost emailed them to inquire who did the spoof; then I realized that it was almost certainly &#8216;real&#8217;.  (Or maybe it was another Lord-like type, a UK bankster saying it was all quite pleasant to be in a business where you get to take a cut of the government giving you money that you then lend out at interest &#8212; quite the toff, he wuz.  Bet his wife has lovely posh frocks and a full calendar of charity auction dates.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pleased that technologies like online video and the Internet are making it possible for more people to get glimpses of these attitudes.  </p>
<p>The insolence is so authentic it&#8217;s comedic, assuming you prefer your comedy inky black.</p>
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		<title>By: b4real</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/goldman-sachs-vice-chair-people-must-tolerate-the-inequality/#comment-1056</link>
		<dc:creator>b4real</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guy,

No one is going to begrudge you the results of your labor.  The difference between you and Goldman&#039;s is they do not make honest money.  Their money is made by manipulating the markets, the government and the laws.  If you were selling dope to get your duplexes, we&#039;d probably have a problem with that, because it is blood money.  So too is Goldman&#039;s.  Just take into consideration the number of people who have had their retirement plans delayed because of the high risks Goldman and other marketeers were taking that collapsed the market last year.  Wouldn&#039;t you be a little pissed also?

What we want is an honest and level playing field, where each has the opportunity to gain as much as he/she is willing to put into it.  Right now, that is not the case, and the burden of their foolish quests is being passed onto every American.  

This is aside from them buying legislation that increases their wealth at the expense of working class peoples. A whole nother episode. ;)

no haters here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy,</p>
<p>No one is going to begrudge you the results of your labor.  The difference between you and Goldman&#8217;s is they do not make honest money.  Their money is made by manipulating the markets, the government and the laws.  If you were selling dope to get your duplexes, we&#8217;d probably have a problem with that, because it is blood money.  So too is Goldman&#8217;s.  Just take into consideration the number of people who have had their retirement plans delayed because of the high risks Goldman and other marketeers were taking that collapsed the market last year.  Wouldn&#8217;t you be a little pissed also?</p>
<p>What we want is an honest and level playing field, where each has the opportunity to gain as much as he/she is willing to put into it.  Right now, that is not the case, and the burden of their foolish quests is being passed onto every American.  </p>
<p>This is aside from them buying legislation that increases their wealth at the expense of working class peoples. A whole nother episode. ;)</p>
<p>no haters here.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/goldman-sachs-vice-chair-people-must-tolerate-the-inequality/#comment-1054</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The repayment of TARP funds was all kabuki.  It was the other government credit lines, exemptions, and the implied government backstop that they have been living large on.  GS and MS both need to be cut off.  They also need to be investigated for all kinds of fraud and illegal trading activities in which they have been involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The repayment of TARP funds was all kabuki.  It was the other government credit lines, exemptions, and the implied government backstop that they have been living large on.  GS and MS both need to be cut off.  They also need to be investigated for all kinds of fraud and illegal trading activities in which they have been involved.</p>
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		<title>By: bystander</title>
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		<dc:creator>bystander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yes.  Pity those poor upper 1% wage earners their tax burden, indeed.

But, about that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=04&amp;year=2009&amp;base_name=day_of_1000_tax_graphs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;share of after tax income&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt; ...

&lt;em&gt;Hmmm.&lt;/em&gt;  That might suggest their tax burden is no burden at all, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yes.  Pity those poor upper 1% wage earners their tax burden, indeed.</p>
<p>But, about that <a href="http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=04&amp;year=2009&amp;base_name=day_of_1000_tax_graphs" rel="nofollow"><strong>share of after tax income</strong></a> &#8230;</p>
<p><em>Hmmm.</em>  That might suggest their tax burden is no burden at all, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Born and raised in DeeCee I was stuck with the Senators and hated the Yankees.  Started following the Dodgers on da radio early on but got to see some great players come through Griffith Stadium in the 50s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Born and raised in DeeCee I was stuck with the Senators and hated the Yankees.  Started following the Dodgers on da radio early on but got to see some great players come through Griffith Stadium in the 50s.</p>
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