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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/how-to-leave-guantanamo-in-10-days/#comment-1074</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 13:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this came the other day
Close Gitmo Now

http://ga3.org/campaign/CloseGitmo/xg7xxberrj3wibmw?

Dear Kathleen,

The neo-conservatives are on a mission – to rewrite how history will view Dick Cheney’s policies, and scare Americans into keeping failed policies in place.  A new group, led by former Vice President Dick Cheney’s daughter, Liz, is doing everything it can to try to scare Americans, just like the good old days of the Bush administration.  Their goal?  To keep Guantanamo Bay open, to “prove” that Dick Cheney was right.

We’re fighting back, alongside Generals and former Congressman Tom Andrews.  But, we need you with us!

CLICK HERE TO HELP US CLOSE GUANTANAMO AND FIGHT BACK AGAINST LIZ CHENEY

This is an issue we shouldn’t even be arguing.  Closing Guantanamo takes away a major recruiting poster for al Qaeda, helps us reclaim the moral high ground, and help our troops in harm’s way.  Most importantly, it will allow for us to try and convict those guilty of trying to harm and kill Americans, so we can either sentence them to death or put them away in our toughest prison – the Supermax prison – where they will live out their days in a living hell, in solitary and away from the general population.

We’ve already done that with some of the most notorious terrorists.  The Supermax has been the home of Ramzi Yousef, who headed the group that carried out the first bombing of the World Trade Center; Zacarias Moussaoui, 9/11 conspirator; Ahmed Ressam, of the Los Angeles airport millennium attack plots; Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, who conspired to kill President George W. Bush; Wadih el-Hage, guilty of the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya; Jose Padilla, who plotted detonating a dirty bomb; Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh of the Oklahoma City bombing; and the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski.

CLICK HERE TO SIGN OUR OPEN LETTER TO CONGRESS, TO CLOSE GITMO

Ours is a position of strength.  Liz Cheney’s is a position of weakness.  But, unless we fight back, we let them win this debate.  Won’t you sign our open letter to Congress, and get five of your friends to do the same?

Thanks for all of your support.

Sincerely

Jon Soltz
Iraq War Veteran
Chairman, VoteVets.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this came the other day<br />
Close Gitmo Now</p>
<p><a href="http://ga3.org/campaign/CloseGitmo/xg7xxberrj3wibmw?" rel="nofollow">http://ga3.org/campaign/CloseGitmo/xg7xxberrj3wibmw?</a></p>
<p>Dear Kathleen,</p>
<p>The neo-conservatives are on a mission – to rewrite how history will view Dick Cheney’s policies, and scare Americans into keeping failed policies in place.  A new group, led by former Vice President Dick Cheney’s daughter, Liz, is doing everything it can to try to scare Americans, just like the good old days of the Bush administration.  Their goal?  To keep Guantanamo Bay open, to “prove” that Dick Cheney was right.</p>
<p>We’re fighting back, alongside Generals and former Congressman Tom Andrews.  But, we need you with us!</p>
<p>CLICK HERE TO HELP US CLOSE GUANTANAMO AND FIGHT BACK AGAINST LIZ CHENEY</p>
<p>This is an issue we shouldn’t even be arguing.  Closing Guantanamo takes away a major recruiting poster for al Qaeda, helps us reclaim the moral high ground, and help our troops in harm’s way.  Most importantly, it will allow for us to try and convict those guilty of trying to harm and kill Americans, so we can either sentence them to death or put them away in our toughest prison – the Supermax prison – where they will live out their days in a living hell, in solitary and away from the general population.</p>
<p>We’ve already done that with some of the most notorious terrorists.  The Supermax has been the home of Ramzi Yousef, who headed the group that carried out the first bombing of the World Trade Center; Zacarias Moussaoui, 9/11 conspirator; Ahmed Ressam, of the Los Angeles airport millennium attack plots; Ahmed Omar Abu Ali, who conspired to kill President George W. Bush; Wadih el-Hage, guilty of the 1998 bombing of the U.S. Embassy in Kenya; Jose Padilla, who plotted detonating a dirty bomb; Terry Nichols and Timothy McVeigh of the Oklahoma City bombing; and the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski.</p>
<p>CLICK HERE TO SIGN OUR OPEN LETTER TO CONGRESS, TO CLOSE GITMO</p>
<p>Ours is a position of strength.  Liz Cheney’s is a position of weakness.  But, unless we fight back, we let them win this debate.  Won’t you sign our open letter to Congress, and get five of your friends to do the same?</p>
<p>Thanks for all of your support.</p>
<p>Sincerely</p>
<p>Jon Soltz<br />
Iraq War Veteran<br />
Chairman, VoteVets.org</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/how-to-leave-guantanamo-in-10-days/#comment-1062</link>
		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Hugh.  I have totally admired you in the past.  I&#039;ll have to read your links tomorrow.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Hugh.  I have totally admired you in the past.  I&#8217;ll have to read your links tomorrow.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: NewsNag</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/how-to-leave-guantanamo-in-10-days/#comment-1061</link>
		<dc:creator>NewsNag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 03:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in favor of offering handpicked Guantanamo prisoners, the innocent ones sold to the Americans by neighbors who complained they were playing their stereos too loud, the opportunity to participate in a work-release type program, like the one offered the GIs in The Dirty Dozen.  All they&#039;d have to do is commit to a two-year-long program wherein they&#039;d operate under the auspices of the secretly amassed armed forces of the United Nations, wear the U.N. blue helmets and uniforms, and take the fight directly to the fascists and racists in the U.S., who have already declared war against the U.S. Government as it is now constituted.  What could be more sporting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in favor of offering handpicked Guantanamo prisoners, the innocent ones sold to the Americans by neighbors who complained they were playing their stereos too loud, the opportunity to participate in a work-release type program, like the one offered the GIs in The Dirty Dozen.  All they&#8217;d have to do is commit to a two-year-long program wherein they&#8217;d operate under the auspices of the secretly amassed armed forces of the United Nations, wear the U.N. blue helmets and uniforms, and take the fight directly to the fascists and racists in the U.S., who have already declared war against the U.S. Government as it is now constituted.  What could be more sporting?</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/how-to-leave-guantanamo-in-10-days/#comment-1058</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my Obama scandals list:

&lt;blockquote&gt;13.  Going further, on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-On-National-Security-5-21-09/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;May 21, 2009&lt;/a&gt;, Obama embraced Bush’s idea of indefinite detention even of those who have been processed by the courts:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“Now, let me begin by disposing of one argument as plainly as I can:  We are not going to release anyone if it would endanger our national security”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.propublica.org/feature/white-house-drafts-executive-order-to-allow-indefinite-detention-626&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;June 26, 2009&lt;/a&gt; story, Dafna Linzer and Peter Finn reported that the Obama White House was drafting an Executive Order which would allow for indefinite detention of up to 90 prisoners at Guantanamo.  One of those mentioned in this regard is Walid bin Attash who is accused of involvment in the bombing of the USS Cole.  Of the 3 witnesses against bin Attash, one escaped jail in Yemen, another the Yemenis won’t let testify, and the 3rd is Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri who was tortured by the US.  As &lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/walid-bin-attash-to-be-denied-day-in-court-because-al-nashiri-was-tortured/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Marcy Wheeler &lt;/a&gt;has pointed out, there was certainly other untainted evidence developed in the Cole investigation, and, as I have noted, terror convictions in US federal courts are fairly easy to obtain.

On &lt;a href=&quot;http://washingtonindependent.com/49886/johnson-opens-the-door-to-post-acquittal-detentions&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;July 7, 2009&lt;/a&gt;, the Pentagon’s general counsel Jeh Johnson in Senate testimony reiterated  this view:

“If you have authority under the law of war to detain someone” under the Supreme Court’s Hamdi ruling, “that is true irrespective of what happens on the prosecution side.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You surprise me.  I do not make stuff up.  This is Obama and members of his own Administration saying this.  Both emptywheel and Glenn Greenwald have written on this subject.  You might try googling them.  However if I have gone all nutcase, I prefer their company to others.  I prefer the truth no matter where it lands to one tailored for Republicans and another for Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my Obama scandals list:</p>
<blockquote><p>13.  Going further, on <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-On-National-Security-5-21-09/" rel="nofollow">May 21, 2009</a>, Obama embraced Bush’s idea of indefinite detention even of those who have been processed by the courts:</p>
<blockquote><p>“Now, let me begin by disposing of one argument as plainly as I can:  We are not going to release anyone if it would endanger our national security”</p></blockquote>
<p>In a <a href="http://www.propublica.org/feature/white-house-drafts-executive-order-to-allow-indefinite-detention-626" rel="nofollow">June 26, 2009</a> story, Dafna Linzer and Peter Finn reported that the Obama White House was drafting an Executive Order which would allow for indefinite detention of up to 90 prisoners at Guantanamo.  One of those mentioned in this regard is Walid bin Attash who is accused of involvment in the bombing of the USS Cole.  Of the 3 witnesses against bin Attash, one escaped jail in Yemen, another the Yemenis won’t let testify, and the 3rd is Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri who was tortured by the US.  As <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/walid-bin-attash-to-be-denied-day-in-court-because-al-nashiri-was-tortured/" rel="nofollow">Marcy Wheeler </a>has pointed out, there was certainly other untainted evidence developed in the Cole investigation, and, as I have noted, terror convictions in US federal courts are fairly easy to obtain.</p>
<p>On <a href="http://washingtonindependent.com/49886/johnson-opens-the-door-to-post-acquittal-detentions" rel="nofollow">July 7, 2009</a>, the Pentagon’s general counsel Jeh Johnson in Senate testimony reiterated  this view:</p>
<p>“If you have authority under the law of war to detain someone” under the Supreme Court’s Hamdi ruling, “that is true irrespective of what happens on the prosecution side.”</p></blockquote>
<p>You surprise me.  I do not make stuff up.  This is Obama and members of his own Administration saying this.  Both emptywheel and Glenn Greenwald have written on this subject.  You might try googling them.  However if I have gone all nutcase, I prefer their company to others.  I prefer the truth no matter where it lands to one tailored for Republicans and another for Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/how-to-leave-guantanamo-in-10-days/#comment-1055</link>
		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugh, you&#039;ve gone nutcase.  I really enjoy(ed) your work over many years, but please, get real.

Obama wants the power of idefinite detention?  You need to book on Glenn Beck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh, you&#8217;ve gone nutcase.  I really enjoy(ed) your work over many years, but please, get real.</p>
<p>Obama wants the power of idefinite detention?  You need to book on Glenn Beck.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/how-to-leave-guantanamo-in-10-days/#comment-1052</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama wants the power of indefinite detention.  It is unclear how a closure of Guantanamo would fit into this where current Guantanamo detainees are concerned.  For future &quot;indefinitely&quot; read permanently held detainees, the Administration has signaled it wants to use Bagram for that purpose.  This is also a reason, or evidence, that Obama has no intention of leaving Afghanistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama wants the power of indefinite detention.  It is unclear how a closure of Guantanamo would fit into this where current Guantanamo detainees are concerned.  For future &#8220;indefinitely&#8221; read permanently held detainees, the Administration has signaled it wants to use Bagram for that purpose.  This is also a reason, or evidence, that Obama has no intention of leaving Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>By: Twain</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/how-to-leave-guantanamo-in-10-days/#comment-1051</link>
		<dc:creator>Twain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wherever they will be safest from the whack jobs with long guns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wherever they will be safest from the whack jobs with long guns.</p>
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		<title>By: weekendclimber</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/how-to-leave-guantanamo-in-10-days/#comment-1050</link>
		<dc:creator>weekendclimber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I didn&#039;t think of that. Everyone should also know the most expensive thing to do is execute them. Both financially and in terms of international derision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I didn&#8217;t think of that. Everyone should also know the most expensive thing to do is execute them. Both financially and in terms of international derision.</p>
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		<title>By: Petrocelli</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/how-to-leave-guantanamo-in-10-days/#comment-1049</link>
		<dc:creator>Petrocelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Move them to DC ... &lt;em&gt;who&#039;ll notice a coupla hunnerd more criminals there ?&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Move them to DC &#8230; <em>who&#8217;ll notice a coupla hunnerd more criminals there ?</em></p>
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		<title>By: Eureka Springs</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/how-to-leave-guantanamo-in-10-days/#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>Eureka Springs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 02:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we fly them out.. will they be wearing hoods?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we fly them out.. will they be wearing hoods?</p>
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