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	<title>Comments on: Pelosi About To Include Medicare +5 Public Option In House Bill</title>
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		<title>By: deadeyedickcheney</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/pelosi-to-include-medicare-5-public-option-in-house-bill/#comment-1029</link>
		<dc:creator>deadeyedickcheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@paz3: I can elaborate on why physicians are paid less in rural areas. Medicare pays on the basis of CPTs, which are basically medical procedures. Each CPT represents a particular procedure and rates are set by CMS (Centers for Medicare (and Medicaid) Services for each CPT calculated on the basis of a fairly complicated equation, which works something like this:
(1) Each state is assigned an &#039;index&#039; for the relative costs of: (a) Practice expense (the overhead that a physician in that state can expect to pay), (b) Malpractice expense (the costs associated with the purchase of malpractice insurance), and (c) Work expense (you can think of this as a sort of cost-of-living adjuster). Some states have particular areas carved out because of significantly different expense patterns. New York City is carved out of NY state, for example, because of the high cost of living.

(2) Each CPT is also assigned a value for work, practice, and malpractice. The biggest difference is that there are *2* values for the practice value, depending on whether the CPT procedure was performed in a doctor&#039;s office or in a hospital. Physicians are paid less for performing a procedure in a hospital because they don&#039;t have to cover the overhead of the hospital, whereas they have to cover the overhead of running their own office.

(3) To get the value payable to a physician for a particular CPT, you multiply the CPT-based Work value by the State-based (or more correctly, GPCI-based) Work value. To this, you add the product of the CPT-based Practice (either office or hospital, depending on where the procedure was performed) value and the GPCI-based Work value. Then, you add the product of the CPT-based Malpractice value and the GPCI-based Malpractice value.

(4) This you&#039;re done? Not quite. There&#039;s a multiplier that is set yearly by CMS. Changing this value changes physician reimbursement across the board. You take the final value you calculated in (3), above, and multiply it by the current multiplier. That gets you to what the physician gets paid for performing a procedure on you.

Now, back to your original question: why physicians are paid less in rural areas. In rural states, to generalize a bit, the Work, Practice, AND Malpractice figures are lower than in more urban areas, mostly having to do with the cost of labor, the cost of real estate, the cost of living, and the cost of malpractice insurance. Lower Work, Practice, and Malpractice figures lead to lower end results in the monstrous calculations I detailed above. Simple, no? Now you know why your doctor&#039;s office has 5 office personnel per physician, when, back in the old days, the physician had a nurse who also handled the paperwork. You also know why fully 15% of all of the money spent on healthcare in the US goes towards the administration of healthcare, and not actually providing healthcare. It&#039;s a damned shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@paz3: I can elaborate on why physicians are paid less in rural areas. Medicare pays on the basis of CPTs, which are basically medical procedures. Each CPT represents a particular procedure and rates are set by CMS (Centers for Medicare (and Medicaid) Services for each CPT calculated on the basis of a fairly complicated equation, which works something like this:<br />
(1) Each state is assigned an &#8216;index&#8217; for the relative costs of: (a) Practice expense (the overhead that a physician in that state can expect to pay), (b) Malpractice expense (the costs associated with the purchase of malpractice insurance), and (c) Work expense (you can think of this as a sort of cost-of-living adjuster). Some states have particular areas carved out because of significantly different expense patterns. New York City is carved out of NY state, for example, because of the high cost of living.</p>
<p>(2) Each CPT is also assigned a value for work, practice, and malpractice. The biggest difference is that there are *2* values for the practice value, depending on whether the CPT procedure was performed in a doctor&#8217;s office or in a hospital. Physicians are paid less for performing a procedure in a hospital because they don&#8217;t have to cover the overhead of the hospital, whereas they have to cover the overhead of running their own office.</p>
<p>(3) To get the value payable to a physician for a particular CPT, you multiply the CPT-based Work value by the State-based (or more correctly, GPCI-based) Work value. To this, you add the product of the CPT-based Practice (either office or hospital, depending on where the procedure was performed) value and the GPCI-based Work value. Then, you add the product of the CPT-based Malpractice value and the GPCI-based Malpractice value.</p>
<p>(4) This you&#8217;re done? Not quite. There&#8217;s a multiplier that is set yearly by CMS. Changing this value changes physician reimbursement across the board. You take the final value you calculated in (3), above, and multiply it by the current multiplier. That gets you to what the physician gets paid for performing a procedure on you.</p>
<p>Now, back to your original question: why physicians are paid less in rural areas. In rural states, to generalize a bit, the Work, Practice, AND Malpractice figures are lower than in more urban areas, mostly having to do with the cost of labor, the cost of real estate, the cost of living, and the cost of malpractice insurance. Lower Work, Practice, and Malpractice figures lead to lower end results in the monstrous calculations I detailed above. Simple, no? Now you know why your doctor&#8217;s office has 5 office personnel per physician, when, back in the old days, the physician had a nurse who also handled the paperwork. You also know why fully 15% of all of the money spent on healthcare in the US goes towards the administration of healthcare, and not actually providing healthcare. It&#8217;s a damned shame.</p>
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		<title>By: paz3</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/pelosi-to-include-medicare-5-public-option-in-house-bill/#comment-977</link>
		<dc:creator>paz3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This is what happens when Pelosi is to the right of her district, and Reid is to the left of his.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Given the demographics of her district, she must be a squarely liberal Congresswoman.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This is what happens when Pelosi is to the right of her district, and Reid is to the left of his.</p></blockquote>
<p>Given the demographics of her district, she must be a squarely liberal Congresswoman.</p>
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		<title>By: paz3</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/pelosi-to-include-medicare-5-public-option-in-house-bill/#comment-975</link>
		<dc:creator>paz3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The truth is that Medicare does pay less in rural areas, but expenses are less too, and there is no place in the country where you couldn’t run a profitable hospital or clinic with Medicare+5% rates. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Could you elaborate as to why expenses are less in rural areas, and if you feel that doctor compensation should also be lower in those areas in light of the fact that there is such a physician drain in the rural areas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The truth is that Medicare does pay less in rural areas, but expenses are less too, and there is no place in the country where you couldn’t run a profitable hospital or clinic with Medicare+5% rates. </p></blockquote>
<p>Could you elaborate as to why expenses are less in rural areas, and if you feel that doctor compensation should also be lower in those areas in light of the fact that there is such a physician drain in the rural areas?</p>
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		<title>By: person1597</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/pelosi-to-include-medicare-5-public-option-in-house-bill/#comment-954</link>
		<dc:creator>person1597</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sooner or later, folks are going to embrace the &quot;Medicare for Everybody&quot; meme.  Call it what you will, but it is a simple thing to understand that medicare eligibility should be extended to the uninsured.  It works for my dad, I&#039;d like it to work for me now.

Medicare part E is clever but doesn&#039;t quite hit the high note that a progressive, nation-changing program might convey.  ObamaCare alludes to the lofty potential of sweeping reform but it is not yet understood just what ObamaCare means.  If there could be a more proactive name, something with cache&#039; that might propel promotion and acceptance in a sound bite.  

Proactive Medicare?  Pro-Medicare?  How about something simple but provocative...

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ProCare!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sooner or later, folks are going to embrace the &#8220;Medicare for Everybody&#8221; meme.  Call it what you will, but it is a simple thing to understand that medicare eligibility should be extended to the uninsured.  It works for my dad, I&#8217;d like it to work for me now.</p>
<p>Medicare part E is clever but doesn&#8217;t quite hit the high note that a progressive, nation-changing program might convey.  ObamaCare alludes to the lofty potential of sweeping reform but it is not yet understood just what ObamaCare means.  If there could be a more proactive name, something with cache&#8217; that might propel promotion and acceptance in a sound bite.  </p>
<p>Proactive Medicare?  Pro-Medicare?  How about something simple but provocative&#8230;</p>
<p><em><strong>ProCare!</strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: marcopolo</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/pelosi-to-include-medicare-5-public-option-in-house-bill/#comment-952</link>
		<dc:creator>marcopolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of non-po patches that might save a lot in the final bill, based on the existing systems in other countries:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoHF_7lZx_8

Risks are assessed using formulas to determine which plans end up with lower risk populations, which end up with higher risk populations. Those that have lower risk pools pay into a fund that compensates plans with higher risk populations.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0795/is_n2_v16/ai_16863015/

In plain English: “govt negotiates prices for all private and public insurance, thereby lowering administrative costs and creating an equal playing field. It shares a lot with a single payer system, but allows for more private ownership”

Neither idea is predicated on the existence of the public option, neither precludes it; both would help to contain cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of non-po patches that might save a lot in the final bill, based on the existing systems in other countries:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoHF_7lZx_8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoHF_7lZx_8</a></p>
<p>Risks are assessed using formulas to determine which plans end up with lower risk populations, which end up with higher risk populations. Those that have lower risk pools pay into a fund that compensates plans with higher risk populations.</p>
<p><a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0795/is_n2_v16/ai_16863015/" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0795/is_n2_v16/ai_16863015/</a></p>
<p>In plain English: “govt negotiates prices for all private and public insurance, thereby lowering administrative costs and creating an equal playing field. It shares a lot with a single payer system, but allows for more private ownership”</p>
<p>Neither idea is predicated on the existence of the public option, neither precludes it; both would help to contain cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/pelosi-to-include-medicare-5-public-option-in-house-bill/#comment-935</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon Walker has a new &lt;a href=&quot;http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/mark-udall-and-michael-bennet-call-for-up-or-down-vote-on-public-option/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cross-post up&lt;/a&gt;: “Mark Udall And Michael Bennet Call For Up Or Down Vote On Public Option”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Walker has a new <a href="http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/mark-udall-and-michael-bennet-call-for-up-or-down-vote-on-public-option/" rel="nofollow">cross-post up</a>: “Mark Udall And Michael Bennet Call For Up Or Down Vote On Public Option”</p>
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		<title>By: marcos</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/pelosi-to-include-medicare-5-public-option-in-house-bill/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>marcos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what happens when Pelosi is to the right of her district, and Reid is to the left of his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what happens when Pelosi is to the right of her district, and Reid is to the left of his.</p>
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		<title>By: gamd521</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/pelosi-to-include-medicare-5-public-option-in-house-bill/#comment-931</link>
		<dc:creator>gamd521</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pelosi has balls and she is doing the people a great service for which she should be rewarded. The thanks to the others in the CPC is merited as well.

Stock should be taken now as to who has impeded progress and highest on the list is Obama. His lack of support for the PO while others did all the work warrants that he should be punished come the next election. It would be a travesty to reward this miscreant by allowing him to share in the hard work of others who had to overcome his efforts to derail the PO. A challenge from Sherrod Brown or some equally deserving candidate should get the support of those on the left.

Obama is a pretentious patronizing spewer of platitudes incapable of working hard at anything. He is basically an inept wingbag and we should not have to suffer this clown any further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi has balls and she is doing the people a great service for which she should be rewarded. The thanks to the others in the CPC is merited as well.</p>
<p>Stock should be taken now as to who has impeded progress and highest on the list is Obama. His lack of support for the PO while others did all the work warrants that he should be punished come the next election. It would be a travesty to reward this miscreant by allowing him to share in the hard work of others who had to overcome his efforts to derail the PO. A challenge from Sherrod Brown or some equally deserving candidate should get the support of those on the left.</p>
<p>Obama is a pretentious patronizing spewer of platitudes incapable of working hard at anything. He is basically an inept wingbag and we should not have to suffer this clown any further.</p>
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		<title>By: eagleye</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/pelosi-to-include-medicare-5-public-option-in-house-bill/#comment-926</link>
		<dc:creator>eagleye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sure would have been nice if our representatives in Congress had engaged in such long and intense scrutiny of the decisions to go into war in Iraq, and to bail out the big banks, as they are devoting to the healthcare issue.

Does anyone know much about the nuts and bolts of the House/Senate conference that will produce the final bill?  I&#039;m curious as to how things actually work in conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sure would have been nice if our representatives in Congress had engaged in such long and intense scrutiny of the decisions to go into war in Iraq, and to bail out the big banks, as they are devoting to the healthcare issue.</p>
<p>Does anyone know much about the nuts and bolts of the House/Senate conference that will produce the final bill?  I&#8217;m curious as to how things actually work in conference.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/21/pelosi-to-include-medicare-5-public-option-in-house-bill/#comment-922</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scarecrow has a fresh &lt;a href=&quot;http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/10433&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cross-post up&lt;/a&gt; on the front page: “Why the White House Probably Doesn’t Want a Public Option”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scarecrow has a fresh <a href="http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/10433" rel="nofollow">cross-post up</a> on the front page: “Why the White House Probably Doesn’t Want a Public Option”</p>
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