And the yo-yo moves back up.
TPM gets multiple sources confirming earlier reporting, which was denied at one point, that the President prefers the trigger option that would keep Olympia Snowe (R-ME) in the fold on an overall health care bill to a public option with an opt-out mechanism for the states, a version Harry Reid is within a couple votes of nailing down.
Multiple sources tell TPMDC that Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is very close to rounding up 60 members in support of a public option with an opt out clause, and are continuing to push skeptical members. But they also say that the White House is pushing back against the idea, in a bid to retain the support of Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME).
“They’re skeptical of opt out and are generally deferential to the Snowe strategy that involves the trigger,” said one source close to negotiations between the Senate and the White House. “they’re certainly not calming moderate’s concerns on opt out.”
This comes on the heels of Snowe all but ruling out any option other than a trigger, reiterating that on Bloomberg with Al Hunt by saying, “The public option at the forefront really does put the government in a disproportionate position” and that she wouldn’t support any such efforts.
Rahm Emanuel in particular has been pushing the trigger for months. It’s a classic Washington compromise, and if this reporting is correct, one that the White House is now pushing, so they can maintain a patina of bipartisanship.
Trying to pre-empt this, Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), who has warmed to the opt-out in recent days, issued a release strongly pushing back against the trigger.
Historically, ‘trigger’ mechanisms have not been successful, and they are not a substitute for a strong public health insurance option, A ‘trigger’ simply delays price competition, which in turn will delay affordability for consumers and moves us farther away from the goals of health care reform. Already, we are seeing insurance companies threatening to game the system, by raising their prices in advance of reform. The only way to curb price-gouging by health insurance companies is with real competition on day one–that is the public option.
Keep in mind that so much of this is a shadow play, or at least potentially so. Is the White House “insisting” on triggers to take the heat off of Harry Reid, who is having trouble finding the last votes for cloture? Are they drawing fire away from Senate moderates? Are they doing it to keep Snowe thinking the White House is on her side? Do they want to pull a switcheroo in conference committee? Do they actually think that the public option will need some time to get right, so a trigger might help to aid that delay? Are these the words of one rogue faction in the White House that can’t stand the public option and the “left of the left”?
There’s no way to really tell at this point. But it certainly will become clear with the inevitable actions. And until that time, I agree that Harry Reid, as the leader of an independent branch of the government, can actually make his own decision regarding this, and if he finds 60 votes, the White House’s desires to placate President Snowe really shouldn’t have any bearing on what he does.
…Mary Landrieu’s softening on the whole public option thing shows that Reid is making progress and could bring this home regardless of the White House’s preferences.
…Chris Bowers narrows it down to Evan Bayh and (probably) Ben Nelson. And of course there’s Snowe, who the White House is dying to tout in a press release.
I think the best guess you can make of all this hash is that the White House is running their own parallel whip count and doesn’t trust Reid’s numbers and just wants something to pass and thinks that anything with Snowe on board will.
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Congress passes HealthCare or else they lose control of Congress Rahm should know this better than anyone.
Any criteria that would constitute pulling any trigger has already been met. How much more does middle class folks have to suffer before we get some real reform? (Heavy sigh)
If RahmCo really thinks that a crappy 60+1 bill is better than an alright 55+0 bill,
they’re idiots. Pure and simple.
Just what is wrong with sticking this on the budget don’t you just need a bare majority to pass it then not 60 votes?
Great round-up of the latest in this imbroglio, David, Many thanks.
I wish the WH cared about We the People as much as they do for a word that, in the current situation, has almost no meaning at all–bipartisanship. What a crock.
Valerie Jarrett said on MSNBC this AM that the White House is definitely not in favor of the trigger plan. TPMDC’s sources seem to be connected to Baucus, who has his own agenda, namely derailing just about any bill with a public option in it.
Tell Reid we can start Petitions in Red and Blue States that allow Petitions to take away government Healthcare for House and Senate Members!
I much prefer real kabuki, thank you.
No money for Healthcare no money for war except to bring the troops home.
Any Bill that does not have a good public option is a failure and will cost the DEMs their majority in 2010, not to mention Harry’s seat. Rahm has repeatedly messed up; NAFTA, Blue Dog candidates, etc. It’s hard to put your faith in Harry, but his own self preservation has never been on the block. We have to keep the pressure on!
I’m getting whiplash here.
These people could fuck up a cast iron anvil with a rubber hammer.
Jesus.
Obama gets GOP votes to support war funding we insist that war funding past, present and future be paid for by a tax increase on the Rich NOT US!
I gave a significant portion of my income at the gas pump in taxes! Are the Rich being forced to join the Army or Reserves to get Healthcare or keep their homes in this economy? NO!
They are getting bonuses with our tax money!
Reid’s son seems to want to run for office No Healthcare or a crap bill will make sure we work against Reid and his son.
Given Reid’s poll numbers he needs this after all what could he do to get his poll numbers up?
End the Wars Now, how he can’t pass a Public Option.
A second Real Job Stimulus Bill? How he can’t pass a Public Option.
If Harry lets the GOP beat him today he will go down in history as the Weakest Senate Leader ever.
Landrieu’s precedent is that she almost always comes around in the end. It seems that her vote’s for sale, but not her incumbency. Nelson, on the other hand, has a slightly more dubious record of not falling into line. I don’t know about Lincoln. Then there’s always the Great Troll of Stamford, and goodness knows what he’s gonna do.
Someone in the WH needs to explain why selling out the country for one single rethug vote means bipartisanship. It means one single rethug is for sale. That’s all it means.
Shadow play or not, I say fuck them. Fuck them and the horse they rode in on. They are showing their allegiance to the moneyed elites who run the insurance companies, and they can go straight to hell. The public isn’t going to be fooled by a fake “public option.” This is the only developed country that doesn’t take care of its citizens with some kind of universal health coverage. It’s just disgraceful.
They have NO IDEA how angry most of us will be if we don’t get real reform, no idea at all…
Once more Obama snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
I want Harry to say Holy Joe votes with us on this or he loses everything.
Republican definition of bipartisanship: when Democrats sell out and agree with Republicans. Democratic definition: when Democrats sell out and agree with Republicans.
Hey, wait a minute…
Snowe isn’t the “patina of bipartisanship”, it is the shellac of fucking stupidity.
Reid’s crappy opt-out or Obama’s crappy trigger. Decisions, decisions.
There’s almost no point to watching anymore. We might as well simply call Nevadans for Public Option.
If you’re PUSHING the trigger, the gun just might be pointing the wrong direction.
Just sayin’.
What the fuck is so wrong that Obama can’t just come out and state what he wants this bill to look like, instead of all this horseshit we’re getting now? Belay this kumbahyah bipartisanship nonsense.
Valerie Jarrett is very close to Obama. I tend to think she is telling the truth.
Great line.
You are so right. They have no idea at all how angry we are.
I don’t have a particularly high opinion of TPM’s Brian Beutler, who is doing a good portion of their HCR reporting.
He seems like a Time/Newsweek wannabe, a little to stenographer-ish for my standards.
Didn’t know that could be done. I have always thought that all the Congressmembers on Medicare should decline accepting it, if they truly believe that socialized medicine is a bad thing. All those not on Medicare should be forced to purchase their insurance in the private market (although the insurance companies would no doubt make them a hell of a deal). If all of them lost their health insurance they would finally have an incentive to pass health care reform.
As for Queen Snowe I believe she never had any intentions of actually voting for any health care reform, whether it has a public option, triggers, mandates without any public option. This was just a way to get plenty of attention, and having even the president grovel in front of her.
After all they all have their marching orders from the health insurance corporations: “It would be giving aid and comfort to the enemy.”
Did I slip through some kind of time warp and somehow we are repeating the Civil war between the North and the South. How did politics become a civil war, and why are a number of citizens so willing to participate in it to their own detriment?
I really think it’s time to start a fund. Every time Obama renegs on a promise or does the wrong thing, like push a trigger, we donate to the fund with the understanding that that money goes to a candidate who will challenge him at the next election.
Rahm is an utter fool, and Obama more foolish if he keeps this tool around much longer.
It sounds like it was posed as an either or question or a lesser of two evils deal. Any opt-out must be an individual opt out, every American has the choice, public health insurance or
keep getting mugged, beaten and left for deadstay with private insurers. But that does not mean there has to be a trigger, certainly not one pulled by politicians who all enjoy a public option on top of making many times what most of their constiuents get all paid for with evil taxes.Olympia Snowe was queen for a day that is enough. Now the Democratic Party needs to stop scratching themselves and staring blankly into the void and get this thing done. Do you hear any Americans complaining about the lousy unemployment insurance they got and the rat bastards who gave them a stimulus to keep public services going, not to mention a little tax cut? Remember all the bitching from the
barking mad, irrelevantother side of the House?Democrats: just do it.
Rahm take orders and implements. The real adviser is Valerie Jarrett and a few other trusted people. But Obama makes his own decisions.
As a geezer, I ask, “How do you like participatory democracy now that you are experiencing it firsthand through being asked call and lobby Congress, organize your personal networks, and other sausage factory tasks?”
If you think this is painful, you never sat through some of the progessive movement’s consensus sessions in the 1970s.
The sad part is you either participate or you hire; no room for inactivity. The tool we have for hiring is ActBlue. The tool we have for participation is FDL Action.
Well said ! Democracy is not a spectator sport.
I certainly didn’t. I was born in 1970. Hehe.
What the HELL is this fixation on bi-partisanship???
As Alan Grayson eloquently says, the American public doesn’t care about this. Why,or why is Obama so pathologically wedded to this STUPID idea???
The quest for “bi-partisanship” has so many bad consequences; why the hell is he so crazed over it?
Bi-partisanship is a cover word for wanting to keep the Health Insurance Co.s from donating too much $$ to the GOP.
If the Dems turnout a watered down bill their Insurance $$ donations will increase. A lot of the kabuki around this issue involves Rahm’s desire to maximize contributions to the Dems over the GOP.
Busted! *G*
They could fuck up good strawberry shortcake with ice cream, too.
They could fuck up a good barrel of Gentleman Jack.
If you reduce half a cup of Jack Daniels with some strawberry juices, and pour it over strawberry shortcake and ice cream, you can’t fuck THAT up!
I’m with sponson at #6, ValGal spoke of this today. Ergo, I’m cornfuzzled still about WHAT truth is being told and why. Still. Also.
I wish TMP would suggest WHO THE FUCK their sources are, cuz they could be playing for the thrill card like The Inquirer. And I’d HATE to think that of TMP and Josh Marshall.
Would he play sensationalism over thinly worded reality just to get the hits?
I’d like to not think so, but hey . . . something’s all kabuki’d amongst all the info available.
It’s either the sources, or those reporting it, or both.
Huh. I’m effin clueless, and we won’t really know till the legislation is on Obama’s desk to sign.
If that legislation is NOT full blown PO and starts NOW, etc., the dem’s are fucked at the ‘10 and the ‘12.
I personally will vote to ensure that. I don’t have long enough (20+ or so) to live on this planet for any further drawn out kabuki that panders to our corporate feudalist overlords.
Harumph.
No, that’s not what it means.
What it means is that the WH, and both houses of Congress, are at the mercy and beck of our corporate feudalist overlords.
Once that penetrates your big picture, or mine, it guides all other thoughts as to who, why, what and such.
THAT, in turn, guides our actions and behaviors of DEALING with this shit.
Just my not so humble opinoin, Blub . . . but the base game of this is corporate feudalism and the protection of the status quo. Nothing more, nothing less.
A lot of people were close to Bush. Were they telling the truth as well? Oh right, Obama is pure at heart, has the same goals as we do, and anyone close to him is going to be telling us pure truths when they speak in public.
Thanks for that insight . . . I need to look at that every time I read him.
Still, Josh Marshall is his boss and Chief Editor . . . Josh signed off on it.
I’m not so happy with that.
I was never an organizer, but I was a participant.
However, I SAW what went down in the streets, and who was coaching and leading.
You have cast a perfect light on it all.
Nice call, ya geezer. *G*
SF Peninsula, Berkeley, Palo Alto, ‘69-71.
In the streets as a kid. 16-18.
Mmom, ask yer self, who coined this phrase, and who places this meme?
It’s bullshit, and has NOTHING to do with the reality going down.
It’s not even the real issue, or among the real issues.
It’s a fog, a smoke and mirrors PR screen, and it’s not real.
*G*
Once we learn to get beyond that, we can focus on what IS real.
Help us get beyond it, help us focus on what’s real.
Call it for what it is, bullshit. It’s not even real!!!!
Nicely put.
Bi part is actually deal with corps.
Water reform down, and they don’t donate heavily to RePugs in ‘10 or ‘12.
Deal with the devil, and of NO value to the masses.
Ergo, bi part is a smoke screen even Edward Bernays would choke on.
And it all adds up to the corporate feudalist way. Nothing more, nothing less.
No reforms, of any meaningful value, to the masses.
And we won’t see jobs creating like FDR did, either, I’m thinkng.
I’m feeling a bit blue about it all, again.
Sigh.
TPM has had issues before, just like Politico, I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them.
So before you all overreact, take a deep breath.
I don’t believe the PO is in trouble no matter how flawed it currently is. There is already a trigger in it, it won’t start until 2013. Whomever is pushing triggers needs to put down the gun.
Look its quite obvious that this president made a deal with the health care industry before this thing even got started. We have to accept that. THE WHITE HOUSE is now the strongest enemy of a strong public option or Medicare for all. Through their lack of leadership and voice they prevent the public option from becoming as popular as it could be. If Obama were to speak out forcefully for this the dems would have to go along because public calls for it would become even louder than they are now.
But that is not going to happen. Obama sold us out before we even started this fight. Thats firmly what I believe despite the flaming. All pressure should be directed solely at Obama and this misguided administration. All phones call, emails, protests, protest ads…all of it should at this minute turn to this White House. They hold all the cards right now. If Obama chooses to play to win…WE win. If instead he chooses to fold, or has already agreed to fold WE lose. this isnt up to Reid…its up to Obama.
that’s a great point
here are “triggers” I would accept;
“if you are out of work that will trigger your buy in option to medicare”
“if you are denied coveraget that would trigger your public option”
“if private health care costs more then buying into the public option that would be your triger”
those I can get on board
Medicare: we know it works. Give it to everyone. Pay for it with a progressively designed value added tax. The electorate will reward you.
Nah…way too easy! See if we can make this as complicated and prone to failure as possible, allowing untold deaths, sickness and ruin for thousands with disastrous results at the polls! Yeah!
We need Paul Wellstone