Comments on: Now The White House Is Pushing The Trigger: The Fog Of Washington http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/now-the-white-house-is-pushing-the-trigger-the-fog-of-washington/ Sat, 18 Feb 2012 03:07:52 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: marcopolo http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/now-the-white-house-is-pushing-the-trigger-the-fog-of-washington/#comment-1432 marcopolo Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:32:46 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=353#comment-1432 We need Paul Wellstone We need Paul Wellstone

]]> By: marcopolo http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/now-the-white-house-is-pushing-the-trigger-the-fog-of-washington/#comment-1421 marcopolo Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:05:33 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=353#comment-1421 Medicare: we know it works. Give it to everyone. Pay for it with a progressively designed value added tax. The electorate will reward you. Nah...way too easy! See if we can make this as complicated and prone to failure as possible, allowing untold deaths, sickness and ruin for thousands with disastrous results at the polls! Yeah! Medicare: we know it works. Give it to everyone. Pay for it with a progressively designed value added tax. The electorate will reward you.

Nah…way too easy! See if we can make this as complicated and prone to failure as possible, allowing untold deaths, sickness and ruin for thousands with disastrous results at the polls! Yeah!

]]> By: perris http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/now-the-white-house-is-pushing-the-trigger-the-fog-of-washington/#comment-1410 perris Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:32:27 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=353#comment-1410 that's a great point here are "triggers" I would accept; "if you are out of work that will trigger your buy in option to medicare" "if you are denied coveraget that would trigger your public option" "if private health care costs more then buying into the public option that would be your triger" those I can get on board that’s a great point

here are “triggers” I would accept;

“if you are out of work that will trigger your buy in option to medicare”

“if you are denied coveraget that would trigger your public option”

“if private health care costs more then buying into the public option that would be your triger”

those I can get on board

]]> By: jonnyra http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/now-the-white-house-is-pushing-the-trigger-the-fog-of-washington/#comment-1346 jonnyra Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:17:19 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=353#comment-1346 Look its quite obvious that this president made a deal with the health care industry before this thing even got started. We have to accept that. THE WHITE HOUSE is now the strongest enemy of a strong public option or Medicare for all. Through their lack of leadership and voice they prevent the public option from becoming as popular as it could be. If Obama were to speak out forcefully for this the dems would have to go along because public calls for it would become even louder than they are now. But that is not going to happen. Obama sold us out before we even started this fight. Thats firmly what I believe despite the flaming. All pressure should be directed solely at Obama and this misguided administration. All phones call, emails, protests, protest ads...all of it should at this minute turn to this White House. They hold all the cards right now. If Obama chooses to play to win...WE win. If instead he chooses to fold, or has already agreed to fold WE lose. this isnt up to Reid...its up to Obama. Look its quite obvious that this president made a deal with the health care industry before this thing even got started. We have to accept that. THE WHITE HOUSE is now the strongest enemy of a strong public option or Medicare for all. Through their lack of leadership and voice they prevent the public option from becoming as popular as it could be. If Obama were to speak out forcefully for this the dems would have to go along because public calls for it would become even louder than they are now.

But that is not going to happen. Obama sold us out before we even started this fight. Thats firmly what I believe despite the flaming. All pressure should be directed solely at Obama and this misguided administration. All phones call, emails, protests, protest ads…all of it should at this minute turn to this White House. They hold all the cards right now. If Obama chooses to play to win…WE win. If instead he chooses to fold, or has already agreed to fold WE lose. this isnt up to Reid…its up to Obama.

]]> By: djfourmoney http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/now-the-white-house-is-pushing-the-trigger-the-fog-of-washington/#comment-1345 djfourmoney Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:37:17 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=353#comment-1345 TPM has had issues before, just like Politico, I don't trust them as far as I can throw them. So before you all overreact, take a deep breath. I don't believe the PO is in trouble no matter how flawed it currently is. There is already a trigger in it, it won't start until 2013. Whomever is pushing triggers needs to put down the gun. TPM has had issues before, just like Politico, I don’t trust them as far as I can throw them.

So before you all overreact, take a deep breath.

I don’t believe the PO is in trouble no matter how flawed it currently is. There is already a trigger in it, it won’t start until 2013. Whomever is pushing triggers needs to put down the gun.

]]> By: Larue http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/now-the-white-house-is-pushing-the-trigger-the-fog-of-washington/#comment-1343 Larue Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:41:14 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=353#comment-1343 Nicely put. Bi part is actually deal with corps. Water reform down, and they don't donate heavily to RePugs in '10 or '12. Deal with the devil, and of NO value to the masses. Ergo, bi part is a smoke screen even Edward Bernays would choke on. And it all adds up to the corporate feudalist way. Nothing more, nothing less. No reforms, of any meaningful value, to the masses. And we won't see jobs creating like FDR did, either, I'm thinkng. I'm feeling a bit blue about it all, again. Sigh. Nicely put.

Bi part is actually deal with corps.

Water reform down, and they don’t donate heavily to RePugs in ’10 or ’12.

Deal with the devil, and of NO value to the masses.

Ergo, bi part is a smoke screen even Edward Bernays would choke on.

And it all adds up to the corporate feudalist way. Nothing more, nothing less.

No reforms, of any meaningful value, to the masses.

And we won’t see jobs creating like FDR did, either, I’m thinkng.

I’m feeling a bit blue about it all, again.

Sigh.

]]> By: Larue http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/now-the-white-house-is-pushing-the-trigger-the-fog-of-washington/#comment-1342 Larue Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:37:42 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=353#comment-1342 Mmom, ask yer self, who coined this phrase, and who places this meme? It's bullshit, and has NOTHING to do with the reality going down. It's not even the real issue, or among the real issues. It's a fog, a smoke and mirrors PR screen, and it's not real. *G* Once we learn to get beyond that, we can focus on what IS real. Help us get beyond it, help us focus on what's real. Call it for what it is, bullshit. It's not even real!!!! Mmom, ask yer self, who coined this phrase, and who places this meme?

It’s bullshit, and has NOTHING to do with the reality going down.

It’s not even the real issue, or among the real issues.

It’s a fog, a smoke and mirrors PR screen, and it’s not real.

*G*

Once we learn to get beyond that, we can focus on what IS real.

Help us get beyond it, help us focus on what’s real.

Call it for what it is, bullshit. It’s not even real!!!!

]]> By: Larue http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/now-the-white-house-is-pushing-the-trigger-the-fog-of-washington/#comment-1341 Larue Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:34:52 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=353#comment-1341 I was never an organizer, but I was a participant. However, I SAW what went down in the streets, and who was coaching and leading. You have cast a perfect light on it all. Nice call, ya geezer. *G* SF Peninsula, Berkeley, Palo Alto, '69-71. In the streets as a kid. 16-18. I was never an organizer, but I was a participant.
However, I SAW what went down in the streets, and who was coaching and leading.

You have cast a perfect light on it all.

Nice call, ya geezer. *G*

SF Peninsula, Berkeley, Palo Alto, ’69-71.
In the streets as a kid. 16-18.

]]> By: Larue http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/now-the-white-house-is-pushing-the-trigger-the-fog-of-washington/#comment-1340 Larue Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:31:19 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=353#comment-1340 Thanks for that insight . . . I need to look at that every time I read him. Still, Josh Marshall is his boss and Chief Editor . . . Josh signed off on it. I'm not so happy with that. Thanks for that insight . . . I need to look at that every time I read him.

Still, Josh Marshall is his boss and Chief Editor . . . Josh signed off on it.

I’m not so happy with that.

]]> By: Username http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/now-the-white-house-is-pushing-the-trigger-the-fog-of-washington/#comment-1339 Username Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:28:19 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=353#comment-1339 A lot of people were close to Bush. Were they telling the truth as well? Oh right, Obama is pure at heart, has the same goals as we do, and anyone close to him is going to be telling us pure truths when they speak in public. A lot of people were close to Bush. Were they telling the truth as well? Oh right, Obama is pure at heart, has the same goals as we do, and anyone close to him is going to be telling us pure truths when they speak in public.

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