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	<title>Comments on: On Anonymous &#8220;X Said Y&#8221; Soccer-Ball Chasing</title>
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		<title>By: robspierre</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/on-anonymous-x-said-y-soccer-ball-chasing/#comment-1330</link>
		<dc:creator>robspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government by trial balloon may be attractive to the weak, the indecisive, and the timid, but to me, it looks like the worst of both worlds politically speaking. This Congress and, especially, this administration have not covered themselves with glory. At this point, after all the bickering, scheming, and two-faced speechifying, they are unlikely to get full credit even if they finally deliver. 

If the Democratic leadership  yo-yos through the healthcare debate and ultimately gives reluctant assent to a decent proposal, they are still going to have to bear the blame for dragging matters out so long and making us work so hard for it. They may have achieved something but, in the process, will also ahve shown themselves  to be untrustworthy and venal, ready to work against the overwhelming majority of the voters. That can&#039;t bode well for a re-election campaign. My so-called &quot;centrist&quot; Democratic senators and congresswoman recently changed tack and said that they&#039;d support some watered-down sort of public option while calling for an up-or-down vote on the public option. But the dmage is largely done. Any plausible primary challenger will be atttractive--and we&#039;ve got one that is very attractive by comparison.

If, on the other hand, the Democrats labor mightily and come up with a travesty, then they will have to take the blame AND face the special fury that comes when you lead people on and encourage false hopes. 

So how, exacgtly, is this smart politics? I don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government by trial balloon may be attractive to the weak, the indecisive, and the timid, but to me, it looks like the worst of both worlds politically speaking. This Congress and, especially, this administration have not covered themselves with glory. At this point, after all the bickering, scheming, and two-faced speechifying, they are unlikely to get full credit even if they finally deliver. </p>
<p>If the Democratic leadership  yo-yos through the healthcare debate and ultimately gives reluctant assent to a decent proposal, they are still going to have to bear the blame for dragging matters out so long and making us work so hard for it. They may have achieved something but, in the process, will also ahve shown themselves  to be untrustworthy and venal, ready to work against the overwhelming majority of the voters. That can&#8217;t bode well for a re-election campaign. My so-called &#8220;centrist&#8221; Democratic senators and congresswoman recently changed tack and said that they&#8217;d support some watered-down sort of public option while calling for an up-or-down vote on the public option. But the dmage is largely done. Any plausible primary challenger will be atttractive&#8211;and we&#8217;ve got one that is very attractive by comparison.</p>
<p>If, on the other hand, the Democrats labor mightily and come up with a travesty, then they will have to take the blame AND face the special fury that comes when you lead people on and encourage false hopes. </p>
<p>So how, exacgtly, is this smart politics? I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: kyeo</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/on-anonymous-x-said-y-soccer-ball-chasing/#comment-1270</link>
		<dc:creator>kyeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough. I do worry that we get entirely too focused at times, particularly when the corporate forces are so hydra-headed. One reason I&#039;m incredibly please with how forcefully the WH is calling out Fox News is that it&#039;s very hard for grassroots to make an impact at withering the media memes at a national level. As such, it&#039;s an aspect of resistance that&#039;s often overlooked, usually to our regret.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough. I do worry that we get entirely too focused at times, particularly when the corporate forces are so hydra-headed. One reason I&#8217;m incredibly please with how forcefully the WH is calling out Fox News is that it&#8217;s very hard for grassroots to make an impact at withering the media memes at a national level. As such, it&#8217;s an aspect of resistance that&#8217;s often overlooked, usually to our regret.</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/on-anonymous-x-said-y-soccer-ball-chasing/#comment-1269</link>
		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;they are Barcelona, we are Rubin Kazan!&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>they are Barcelona, we are Rubin Kazan!</em></p>
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		<title>By: oregondave</title>
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		<dc:creator>oregondave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What &lt;a href=&quot;http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/did-something-happen-on-way-to-debacle.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;digby&lt;/a&gt; said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The fact that liberals stayed focused and relentless on the issue required the media to keep asking the question in public opinion polling and keeping the issue on the forefront of the agenda long after the establishment just wanted it to go away. It&#039;s been a demonstration of a good progressive strategy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What <a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/10/did-something-happen-on-way-to-debacle.html" rel="nofollow">digby</a> said:</p>
<blockquote><p>The fact that liberals stayed focused and relentless on the issue required the media to keep asking the question in public opinion polling and keeping the issue on the forefront of the agenda long after the establishment just wanted it to go away. It&#8217;s been a demonstration of a good progressive strategy.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: David Dayen</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/on-anonymous-x-said-y-soccer-ball-chasing/#comment-1263</link>
		<dc:creator>David Dayen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In general, a lot happens in government.  And with unlimited capacity we could agitate about all of it.  But we don&#039;t have unlimited capacity.  And channeling that capacity into trial balloon pound-downs does allow other things to continue unimpeded.  The auto dealer exemption in the Consumer Financial Protection Agency, for ex.  Or the biologics patent extension in this very health care bill.  All I&#039;m saying is that progressives need a multi-pronged attack, and soccer-ball chasing can serve certain malign interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In general, a lot happens in government.  And with unlimited capacity we could agitate about all of it.  But we don&#8217;t have unlimited capacity.  And channeling that capacity into trial balloon pound-downs does allow other things to continue unimpeded.  The auto dealer exemption in the Consumer Financial Protection Agency, for ex.  Or the biologics patent extension in this very health care bill.  All I&#8217;m saying is that progressives need a multi-pronged attack, and soccer-ball chasing can serve certain malign interests.</p>
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		<title>By: oregondave</title>
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		<dc:creator>oregondave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rocket J. Squirrel: &quot;That trick never works.&quot;

Bullwinkle Moose: &quot;This time for sure!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rocket J. Squirrel: &#8220;That trick never works.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bullwinkle Moose: &#8220;This time for sure!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Dayen</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Dayen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it passed the Senate yesterday.  Conf. committee and then a final vote, passage next wk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it passed the Senate yesterday.  Conf. committee and then a final vote, passage next wk.</p>
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		<title>By: kyeo</title>
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		<dc:creator>kyeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, what exactly do you mean by &quot;leaving the goal mouth uncovered?&quot; What do you think the danger is in reacting too strongly to whatever the trial balloons of the day are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, what exactly do you mean by &#8220;leaving the goal mouth uncovered?&#8221; What do you think the danger is in reacting too strongly to whatever the trial balloons of the day are?</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
		<link>http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/23/on-anonymous-x-said-y-soccer-ball-chasing/#comment-1258</link>
		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>damn that is funny.  and spot on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>damn that is funny.  and spot on</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
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		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you D-Day - most excellent 

&lt;blockquote&gt;How not to be driven to distraction?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Professor Slinkerwink sets a great example.  suggest those of you who don&#039;t stray over to her Big Orange diaries go over and skim just a few of her threads - look at all the oh so groovily worded temptations and attacks - and how she moves just enough to get out of the path.
&lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; is what not taking your eye off the ball looks like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you D-Day &#8211; most excellent </p>
<blockquote><p>How not to be driven to distraction?</p></blockquote>
<p>Professor Slinkerwink sets a great example.  suggest those of you who don&#8217;t stray over to her Big Orange diaries go over and skim just a few of her threads &#8211; look at all the oh so groovily worded temptations and attacks &#8211; and how she moves just enough to get out of the path.<br />
<em>that</em> is what not taking your eye off the ball looks like.</p>
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