Comments on: Multiple Reports That Senate Bill Will Include Public Option With Opt-Out http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/25/multiple-reports-that-senate-bill-will-include-public-option-with-opt-out/ Sat, 18 Feb 2012 05:16:50 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: PaulaT http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/25/multiple-reports-that-senate-bill-will-include-public-option-with-opt-out/#comment-1592 PaulaT Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:41:38 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=375#comment-1592 <blockquote>Gosh– since Opt Out on Federal Governance is such a clever idea why not open the IRS,Social Security and EPA to state by state Opt Out as well?</blockquote> SHHH! Don't give some people any ideas. Anyway, I'm sure Governor Perry will be willing and able to take care of everyone without the evil federal government's help.

Gosh– since Opt Out on Federal Governance is such a clever idea why not open the IRS,Social Security and EPA to state by state Opt Out as well?

SHHH! Don’t give some people any ideas. Anyway, I’m sure Governor Perry will be willing and able to take care of everyone without the evil federal government’s help.

]]> By: SomeGuy http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/25/multiple-reports-that-senate-bill-will-include-public-option-with-opt-out/#comment-1525 SomeGuy Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:31:50 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=375#comment-1525 What else can they opt out of? How about welfare? How about free school lunch for kids from low income families? I have heard one or two Republicans say how being hungry would be a great motivator for school kids. What else can they opt out of? How about welfare? How about free school lunch for kids from low income families? I have heard one or two Republicans say how being hungry would be a great motivator for school kids.

]]> By: GDC707 http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/25/multiple-reports-that-senate-bill-will-include-public-option-with-opt-out/#comment-1516 GDC707 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:59:43 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=375#comment-1516 That's pretty much the conclusion I came to after studying the issue for awhile. Sounds good until you get in to the grubby details. I've made the point before that increasing complexity works in favor of the health cartel. Simplicity works (on this issue) in favor of the people. (Single payer) That’s pretty much the conclusion I came to after studying the issue for awhile. Sounds good until you get in to the grubby details. I’ve made the point before that increasing complexity works in favor of the health cartel. Simplicity works (on this issue) in favor of the people. (Single payer)

]]> By: Mithras61 http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/25/multiple-reports-that-senate-bill-will-include-public-option-with-opt-out/#comment-1510 Mithras61 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:40:41 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=375#comment-1510 <blockquote>This state opt-out is the best comprimise I have seen. When the people in these red states find out that they don’t get health insurance because their republican politicos don’t want them to have it, what do you think will happen? They will vote the bums out. Win Win situation</blockquote> Actually, not so much. The R-tards here seem to think that this is somehow about the poor/brown/black folks getting the hard-working, morally superior folks who have money & insurance to give those same poor/brown/black folks healthcare. They can't grasp that the poor folks already have Medicaid, and that the PO as it currently exists would be a self-paying solution that wouldn't cost those who have insurance a single dime, so they are ALL IN for the Opt-Out "solution" (a solution to a problem that doesn't really exist). Take, for instance, Perry's/Cornyn's claim that the Public Option would cost Texan's $23 billion to cover those who won't buy it now or can't get a job to get insurance. I agree that the PO would cost Texans SOME money, but it would be for health insurance for those folks like me (I'm a contractor, so I don't get insurance from my employer). Anyway, I don't see where the people will vote these jokers out. If anything, opting out would get them votes from the even wing-nuttier folks than already vote for them.

This state opt-out is the best comprimise I have seen. When the people in these red states find out that they don’t get health insurance because their republican politicos don’t want them to have it, what do you think will happen?

They will vote the bums out.

Win Win situation

Actually, not so much. The R-tards here seem to think that this is somehow about the poor/brown/black folks getting the hard-working, morally superior folks who have money & insurance to give those same poor/brown/black folks healthcare. They can’t grasp that the poor folks already have Medicaid, and that the PO as it currently exists would be a self-paying solution that wouldn’t cost those who have insurance a single dime, so they are ALL IN for the Opt-Out “solution” (a solution to a problem that doesn’t really exist).

Take, for instance, Perry’s/Cornyn’s claim that the Public Option would cost Texan’s $23 billion to cover those who won’t buy it now or can’t get a job to get insurance. I agree that the PO would cost Texans SOME money, but it would be for health insurance for those folks like me (I’m a contractor, so I don’t get insurance from my employer).

Anyway, I don’t see where the people will vote these jokers out. If anything, opting out would get them votes from the even wing-nuttier folks than already vote for them.

]]> By: LKN2 http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/25/multiple-reports-that-senate-bill-will-include-public-option-with-opt-out/#comment-1503 LKN2 Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:30:08 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=375#comment-1503 My only question about the opt-out: Will states that opt-out actually get higher subsidies for the private insurers, since those policies will be more expensive than the public option? I don't like the government subsidizing private profits, and certainly don't think that opt-in states should have to subsidize those that opt-out. My only question about the opt-out: Will states that opt-out actually get higher subsidies for the private insurers, since those policies will be more expensive than the public option? I don’t like the government subsidizing private profits, and certainly don’t think that opt-in states should have to subsidize those that opt-out.

]]> By: KarenM http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/25/multiple-reports-that-senate-bill-will-include-public-option-with-opt-out/#comment-1496 KarenM Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:53:45 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=375#comment-1496 David: This is more than news or reporting. Your detailed analysis is much appreciated! David:

This is more than news or reporting. Your detailed analysis is much appreciated!

]]> By: karendotcom http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/25/multiple-reports-that-senate-bill-will-include-public-option-with-opt-out/#comment-1492 karendotcom Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:15:38 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=375#comment-1492 This state opt-out is the best comprimise I have seen. When the people in these red states find out that they don't get health insurance because their republican politicos don't want them to have it, what do you think will happen? They will vote the bums out. Win Win situation. This state opt-out is the best comprimise I have seen. When the people in these red states find out that they don’t get health insurance because their republican politicos don’t want them to have it, what do you think will happen?

They will vote the bums out.

Win Win situation.

]]> By: fatster http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/25/multiple-reports-that-senate-bill-will-include-public-option-with-opt-out/#comment-1491 fatster Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:06:42 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=375#comment-1491 Seems pretty straight-forward: <strong>White House calls Obama discouraging public option claim ‘absolutely false’</strong> Hope no devil is in the details. http://rawstory.com/2009/10/white-house-calls-obama-discouraging-public-option-claim-absolutely-false/ Seems pretty straight-forward: White House calls Obama discouraging public option claim ‘absolutely false’
Hope no devil is in the details.

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/white-house-calls-obama-discouraging-public-option-claim-absolutely-false/

]]> By: altara http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/25/multiple-reports-that-senate-bill-will-include-public-option-with-opt-out/#comment-1490 altara Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:04:54 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=375#comment-1490 related fake news SUB-ROSA NEWS Some of the News That may be True OBAMA APPOINTS OLYMPIA SNOWE AS HEALTH CZAR In recognition of Senator Snowe's immense contribution to health care reform legislation,, President Obama has named her to the new office of National Health Care Director. In a written statement, the President noted the Senator's long study and deep knowledge of health care issues facing the nation. In addition, her work in the Senate has made the reform bill truly bi-partisan. White House press spokesman Robert Gibbs denied rumors that appointment to this office was the price demanded for her vote. He noted that it was clear that her strong efforts in support of real reform were made because history had called. homer www.altara.blogspot.com related fake news

SUB-ROSA NEWS

Some of the News
That may be True

OBAMA APPOINTS OLYMPIA SNOWE AS HEALTH CZAR

In recognition of Senator Snowe’s immense contribution to health care reform legislation,, President Obama has named her to the new office of National Health Care Director. In a written statement, the President noted the Senator’s long study and deep knowledge of health care issues facing the nation. In addition, her work in the Senate has made the reform bill truly bi-partisan.

White House press spokesman Robert Gibbs denied rumors that appointment to this office was the price demanded for her vote. He noted that it was clear that her strong efforts in support of real reform were made because history had called.

homer http://www.altara.blogspot.com

]]> By: RevBev http://news.firedoglake.com/2009/10/25/multiple-reports-that-senate-bill-will-include-public-option-with-opt-out/#comment-1489 RevBev Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:44:39 +0000 http://news.firedoglake.com/?p=375#comment-1489 I think one of the seriously missing and important facets in this debate is the importance of having a healthy nation/population (even if that means some immigrants, as well.) Our population, including children, has become obese; preventable illness is a shame; emergency room care is costly and over-extended. Why do we fail to make and to see the self-interest part of this debate? Sort of like educating (or not) our young...why have we lost our values and our minds? Oh yeah....the money thing I think one of the seriously missing and important facets in this debate is the importance of having a healthy nation/population (even if that means some immigrants, as well.) Our population, including children, has become obese; preventable illness is a shame; emergency room care is costly and over-extended. Why do we fail to make and to see the self-interest part of this debate? Sort of like educating (or not) our young…why have we lost our values and our minds?

Oh yeah….the money thing

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