CQ Politics is reporting that the House of Representatives will vote on Saturday on a health care bill which includes new language on abortion services coverage, but which would not go nearly as far as the language sought by Rep. Bart Stupak (D-MI), which would have effectively banned all insurance coverage for abortion services in the individual and small group market.
House Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise M. Slaughter said Wednesday that the rule for considering the sweeping health care legislation will encompass anti-abortion language put forward by Brad Ellsworth, D-Ind.
The Ellsworth language would become part of the House adopts the rule for the bill, Slaughter said. It would explicitly prohibit federal funding for abortions and also guarantee patients access to “pro-life” insurance plans that would not cover the procedure.
While the language is explicit on the funding question, and offers this access to “pro-life” insurance plans, that’s not substantively different from current law. Stupak’s amendment would have banned any private insurer accepting subsidies – i.e. everyone in the exchange – from offering reproductive services.
You know that this is insufficient to Stupak because he says it in the article.
Bart Stupak, D-Mich., may still oppose the Ellsworth language, potentially keeping the bill from passing. Stupak wants to bar any federally subsidized insurance plan from covering abortions, including any public plan set up to compete with private insurers.
As I’ve noted, Stupak doesn’t have the votes on his own, and most of his votes are no votes on health care no matter what. Now that Nancy Pelosi has a bigger cushion for health care reform, and because she’s probably enticed at least a couple pro-life Dems – like Ellsworth – with the fig leaf language they can take back to their states – along with the biofuels rider, which probably was designed to get someone’s vote, she doesn’t seem so concerned about Bart Stupak anymore.
The big question is, will progressives allow this bill to go through? I sought comment from Rep. Raul Grijalva of the Progressive Caucus, and here’s how his office responded.
• They’re very happy that the bill “includes a total rather than partial repeal of the McCarran-Ferguson Act as it relates to health insurance companies.” So they believe that the language in repealing the anti-trust exemption is stronger, not weaker, and encompasses all anti-competitive practices.
• They are “concerned” about getting a vote on the floor on a robust public option with Medicare + 5% rates. It’s likely that will not happen, but until the Rules Committee passes out the bill you cannot be sure.
• A bill called the “Indian Health Care Improvement Act” was attached to the bill wholesale in the manager’s amendment, which also has made Grijalva’s office happy. I think this is part of the Office of Minority Health.
This does not sound like the words of someone ready to put up a huge fight on the bill. I don’t think Pelosi would have gone this far if she wasn’t confident of passage.
UPDATE: I didn’t realize that Ellsworth threatened to vote against the bill yesterday if his language on abortion services wasn’t adopted. This secures his vote. It’s unclear what this means for the public option, and whether Ellsworth’s language would ban coverage of reproductive choice services in it. We’ll have to see the language first.
UPDATE II: A Pelosi spokesman says that no final decision has been made on the timing of the vote. However, Louise Slaughter of the Rules Committee appears to have set a time for their session on finalizing the rule: 2pm ET on Friday.
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currently, it’s 115 in favor / 569 opposed of people who have voiced an opinion
While I do not share Stupak’s beliefs about abortion, I certainly understand why he would not support this bill. The Ellsworth language is a sham.
It is repellent that these men insist on denying women health care insurance in cases of life-threatening pregnancies. How many women will die because they can’t afford an abortion and attendant medical care?
Indian Health Service is a treaty obligation that the government has to the Native American Tribes. It has been funded at 40% of what has been needed since forever.
I am just LMAO at the progressives at this point. I mean I think about 99% of what progressives say about abortion is sexist crap but I support the civil right to decide on your own freakin’ surgical procedures.
I don’t think abortion is a big deal but frankly this is someone farting in your face isn’t it? What are you gonna do about it pwoggies? ya gonna run home to mommie?
Pro-life my ass. Didn’t they all just sign on for a gazillion dollar military bill to carry on murdering people in the middle east? This is nothing but a fart in the face and if you lot take this sitting down they’ll know how easily they can just walk all over you.
What a farce this has turned into.
At 4 pm PST the count is 117 in favor / 585 opposed ; 2 1/2 hours later and only 16 more people have voiced an opinion? What does that tell you?
Despite AARP endorsing the bill, it’s still a pile of crap.
Too damn many, that’s what. I don’t remember being asked about the right of Grampa to pop a boner on demand (and have HIS health insurance provider cover it), or, as Cokie Roberts would put it, “how do we tell the children,” instead, it’s ALWAYS about the women and how best to control her.
Ah yes the usual excuse to throw out some anti-male crap.
Those evil men like Nancy Pelosi and Louise Slaughter are once again threatening women’s right to decide if they are ready to become a parent — a right that no man has in America.
This guy has got to go.
This comment is so all over the place, I can’t tell your point of view, or what point you are making.
Would you care to clarify both?
Thanks.
THey would deny us the vote if they could. Uppity women!
What’s your point? Is it GOOD this huge majority oppose the bill? Or is that bad? What’s your opinion about the count and why?
yep! any ideas?
Yeah, I’m convinced.
Offers NOTHING to the dialogue, only stirring up shit.
Good call.
Why do people talk to him, he’ll never go away of you keep feeding him. And I can’t even call him an asshole without getting moderated.
Well, he’s got to be registered, ban his punk ass.
More feminist bullshit.
How on earth other than, “it benefits men so it must be EEEEEVIL” has any of this got anything to do with Erectile Dysfunction and medicine for it? I seem to recall that Viagara was originally attacked by feminists arguing that women (but not men) should have contraceptives covered by insurance. Now you’re linking it to abortion? On what possible basis? Is it alright with you if men have ANY health care coverage at all for ANY reason? Or would that be sexist against women?
“Dear Lurking Mod: . . . .”
*G*
Didn’t know how bad he was on first comment.
I catch on quick, though, ya know . . *G*
“Dear Lurking Mod, please ban . . . based on improper and egregiously offensive dialogue regarding women and women’s rights. Thank you for your consideration.”
Signed,
Most of us.
You threatened to leave when I mentioned that it was hard to get rid of the crazies. Do you think that same technique would work? *g*
Good evening all.
He’s been all over the lake for the last couple of weeks. Even the Dragon got moderated behind this bullshit.
He’s been banned on many sites. I think his more offensive posts were taken down from this site. I guess we’ll just have ignore him since he hasn’t been cut off completely.
Aite
Ignore it. It will go away if we all ignore it.
I know it hurts, I know it becomes irresistible after a bit, but that is it’s game, and by giving it any life at all, any run whatsoever, you nourish it.
Ignore it and it will go away.
I promise.
Fuckin canadian too!
WRT the subject, I’ll be on a quest to round up a homeless cat in NYC to adopt when the vote is taking place. First attempt failed, so keep your fingers crossed. I’ll be eager to see the outcome later that night.
Some of my best friends are Canukacrats, and none of them are thread-eaters, bottomless vortexes of argumentative detritus, paid one-offs.
And the bacon, too.
PBS NewsHour maintaining radio silence on the victory of a pro-PO Democrat in CA-10.
And mind MY manners, David thanks for another good read to keep us updated on a very confusing sitch.
Do we know what is IN the bill that progs like?
1) Start now? Or ‘13 (unacceptable)
2) Eliminates rejection for pre existing?
3) Controls rising premiums for sick, fat, old, or any OTHER catagory?
4) Covers EVERYONE, not just a small pool? Allows switching from private to govt plan?
5) Prevents insurers from ‘patient/client dumping’ high risk/high cost folks into the public plan?
6) REDUCES premiums, thru government competition with private insurers?
7) Enables generic development of all drugs, NO Eshoo? Allows foreign imports, cheaper prices, to compete with Pharma?
8) Bases reimbursements on Medicare+5%? To begin to control delivery of care?
9) Does NOT reduce Medicare or Medicaid (other than folding Medicaid into Public Plan) funding?
And any other myriad of HC Reform Issues that would be good for the MASSES, not the corps?
And again, David, thanks for all you are doing. I don’t always reply to each post of yours, but you can dang bet I read them all.
A stellar effort, and one that’s greatly appreciated by me.
Now, that’s darned funny!
Ok, I guess I confuse him with a few others.
The flame wars I don’t always follow too closely sometimes, as DDAY has so much stuff to read I’m more caught up in the reality of what’s going on.
*G*
FDL has a few dif Dragons, all of them proven to be staunch progs and honorable tail swingers.
*G*
I’s kiddin, where’s Petro?
I like bacon.
And sausage.
And toque’s, toque’s are kewl.
Ehh.
*G*
There is only one SOUTHERN Dragon!
ty, ma’am.
Inspiration provided by Raven.
This is a great post btw!
Big.Ass.Tail indeed.
Totally OT: Courtesy of Greg Sargent over at The Plumline comes this ranking of the top political blogs.
Note that FireDogLake at # 9 comes in ahead of Daily Kos at # 12 and even Glenn Greenwald at # 20.
A great big Huzzah for Jane and all the other masterful FDL bloggers!
Speakin of food, it’s time to feed the honey, and there’s a ball game on soon.
You Pups be well, and I’ll be back later to help us all save the world.
*G*
Ayep.
Whoa, caught my eye before I go . . .
That’s some pretty kewl news!
Huzzah, Mz. Hamsher, and all of FDL!
Pups included. ;-)
And now, to the matter at hand, feed the honey!
Is there anything to, “We didn’t fold altogether to that C-Streeter Stupak..”?
No. I suppose not. It’s tough being the “Abortion Party.”
I forgot that Stupid is a C-Streeter. How soon before his sexual indiscretions are revealed?
He will probably have to get in line.
IMO it seems that the House and Senate are just playing. I think that they have no intention or desire to have health care reform. If they cared they would have come up with bills that do not include the crap they have put in these bills.My dog could come up with a better bill.
The girl line or the boys line?
Watch Coburn. If he’s spotted at a dark table in a DC eatery, you know a deal is being floated.
Coburn, hmmm, one of my 100 favorite senators.
The AARP deciding now to endorse should raise alarms at what else was done to the bill behind the scenes.
They’re vultures hiding under mops of grey hair who, as one of the biggest benefactors and opportunists of those late night drug and medicare dealings, the AARP must smell even more money to jump now.
I don’t trust Obama or Reid and I’ve been trying to support Pelosi, but now -I’m not sure.
Well, if they prefer the mother die instead of live, and she has children, then Stupak should demand that a NANNY be provided to care for the living children.
They need protection and care, too?
And if now dead mom was a contributing breadwinner, then the FED should also pay her loss of wages until all children are age 19.
I mean why ONLY care about the unborn? How is it these people care so much for the unborn and so little for those born into poverty, with autism, etc.
They speak with fork ed tongues!
@4:50 PST the count is 119 in favor / 591 opposed ; that translates into 80 per cent disapproval of the bill as written; please let your opinion be known if you ahven’t already.
Please keep in mind that kucinich’s amendment to allow States to have a single payer system if they desire is ‘off the table’ and that Eshoo’s Amendment re ‘biologics’ is still in the bill.
Once people are born in the U.S. they live in the YOYO society.
I really like Stupak. I have watched so many of his hearings until comcast snitched back CSPAN 3 (cheap of them).
But I have noticed that, as great as all those hearings are, NOTHING ever gets done. Why, just last week two more Americans died from ecoli ground beef. My family won’t touch it anymore.
But Stupak was great. I was shocked that he was a C Streeter. Actually, I think there are Family prayer groups in both the Senate and House every week.
The Religious power mongers got together with the Political/Corporate power mongers and made unholy deals. And here we are.
I see what you mean!
I am coming from a far left point of view so I tend to be a bit critical of “pwoggies” (progressives) who are more a sort of limp center-right bunch. I oppose feminism on the grounds of its sexism against men (since I am for equality) and I support abortion rights as a civil rights issue, but oppose most of the sexist arguments that feminists use to “debate” that topic.
I am saying that this amendment to the bill is intended as a goad against the progressives to see how much they will put up with — which is a lot since they are all doormats.
Uh.. does that cover everything?
Similar, although I didn’t like him, but regarded him as reliable. Shocked at the C Street connection, floored that he could be a strident whackjob when it comes to women’s health. But he did kick some serious ass in a hearing featuring the 3 junk-bond salesman masquerading as health care company CEO’s a few months back.
And a mighty h/t to a couple of republicans in that hearing – Joe Barton and Mitch Burgess, who took those slimeballs downtown.