So Stupak can get a floor vote but Weiner is coerced into not having single payer allowed for a vote; should tell everyone just how fucking corrupted the process is.

Fuck yeah. Record the votes you bastards.

wow, its almost impossible to change this incredibly unjust, corrupt system-shocking!
what a freak show it is

Jane, you’ve worked so hard-& many of us have been with you throughout this process-
its discouraging at best-
how difficult is it to emigrate to France or Canada? This place is pathetic.

I am confused by this. So it means the stupak amendment WILL for sure be in the final bill? or that its in now but can be voted out? OR will it just go for a vote on the floor when the bill is considered. i need more deets plz

“And for you ladies, we have a little healthcare. But we’re going to eliminate abortion in America. That’s okay, right?”

delurking just a tad, if I might, to shake your hand, Jane.

You’re absolutely heroic. Go git em! And stay well.

Don’t quit just yet, starting Monday, let’s get 100,000 phone calls into Pelosi & Hoyer’s Offices every day, until they take this crap out !

I can;t imagine supporting any incumbents this cycle. I imagine all my pin money will go to challengers, and most of that to primary challengers.

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Yep.

First: Make them vote against medicare.
Next: Make them vote for Medicare for all.

Watch reform being accomplished in no time flat!

What is wrong with this tactic?

Absolutely.

have i mentioned lately? i don’t like this new imphewtrid brand of kewelade the pugnickans be drinkin’ of late. if they had any heart at all, i’d feel embarrassed for them.

As I understand it this vote was procedural: Will we allow Stupak’s amendment to be offered?

There will be another vote to accept or reject the amendment later in the day. Which Democratic representatives can we get to vote to reject te amendment?

Time to whip them.

Hola!

This ain’t Kool-Aid, this is their DNA.

Cantor speaking, and he’s right on Obama’s holy grail of bipartisanship. Republicans have 21 Dems switching sides, the Dems got NOTHING.

i can’t argue with you.

i thot i knew a little about behavior.

i’m mystified by how far our society has fallen so fast.

there seem no limits to the common everyday exhibitions of utter depravity spewing all directions.

other than that, i’m okay. and you sir? I hope you are well.

You’re right on the process — now the House will take up Stupak’s amendment.

As for whipping them, it’s out of our hands. They’ll be talking to each other and talking to their staff members, but they’re not checking their emails and faxes and phones.

Ugly thought:

Stupak passes, subsidized plans cannot cover abortion services.
Demand for abortion doesn’t dry up, so supplemental insurance coverage for reproductive health is marketed to reproductive age women. Operation Rescue gets a new target.

Like I said this is ugly. Reproductive health is an essential part of health care.

How do we make this happen?

It’s a nice thought.

We’re great, thanks for asking … digging in for Winter and the coming War on Christmas. *g*

the amendment will have to stand or it won’t get through.

FWIW, I just called Eshoo’s office – she will be voting against Stupak’s amendment. I asked her to help whip any colleagues that may have voted yes on the Rules that could be persuaded to vote no to do so…

they’re not checking their emails and faxes and phones.

consciences, if indeed they ever had any scruples to support such a thing.

utterly heartless, mindless stuff going on in D.C. these days…

Whether it is in or not it will go to conference with the senate bill when and if Numb nuts Reid ever gets his act together.

embarrassed to admit you brought a brief wry smile here. thanks. i needed that. pity-party time here waaaaaaaaaahhhh. my gubmint’s fallen and it can’t get up. oh. groan.

can they not see beyond the gilded doorknobs on the chamber bubble they’re in? Yikes. these were mostly grownups when they went to D.C., right?

First kill this 2000 page monstrosity (1900 pages of industry loopholes) and only let the feather in it’s crap stand on its own (preexisting conditions).

Next, get a parlamentarian to figure out how to put the process in motion.

We could petition Weiner, Kucinich, Grayson (!) etc. to get that ball rolling?

Some more chuckles for ya … laughter is the best medicine and thank heavens it’s free or these f*ckers would put it under the governance of their Corporate Overlords.

does reid show any razor nicks? or maybe fuzz of little beard slowly growing in? i don’t see how he could shave in the morning.

oh. that’s right. he has people who do that for him. how silly of me.

Congressional barbers make house calls. “g”

Rep. Joe Barton: We’ve had to mandate military service and collecting taxes but we don’t have to mandate Health Care.

I guess Joe Blow doesn’t think Health Care is a need … quell surprise !

We need to mandate their retirement too!

Absolutely !

thanks. much appreciated.

our medicare payments are being raised because we don’t get social security.

this is a recent development, cause the mr.’s bill hasn’t risen yet, only mine, and everyone thought it was a mistake at 1st.

we spent half a day finding this out – had to drive into the city, because no one in the SS office answers the #&* phone.

if you press a random key like “#” though, someone eventually answers, ’cause that doesn’t fit their computerized “whutz-up” programming thingie.
(our dear sonny taught us that trick, heh)

so the person who eventually answered the phone said to call the non-operational number, because that’s the only number for the office.

while standing at the counter watching SS office workers puzzling over our billing papers, i mentioned that i had sent our distinguished Senator Voinovich a letter urging him to watch carefully what his fellow Senator Sherrod Brown does, and copy his every action right up till his own retirement day.

the armed and presumably dangerous, although seemingly kind and good hearted, security officer sitting behind me laughed out loud, & chuckled for the next few moments.

some times it helps to have gray hair. you can get away with saying stuff and all they do is assume you’re not up to speed with the world.

the end.

i hate to be a scold, but i thot Congress refers to the House AND the Senate.

where does that leave us? yes. other than that, nice joke. you think they trust them with electric razors?

Hugs to you and all others … what a travesty !

I wish Anthony Weiner would retract his acquiescence on dumping his bill; if Stupak’s amendment gets to go forward, single-payer should get a vote, too.

I just called my congresswoman, Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX-30). The staffer noted my comments and I asked where she stood on this amendment. He said her support for reproductive freedom is pretty well known. I said I know that, but on this specific amendment, especially with the desire to move the bill forward, it’s still important not to let the conservatives run the bill and deprive women of their legal reproductive rights and this amendment goes out of its way to be more restrictive than current law and if passed would change women’s rights dramatically. So where is the congresswoman on this specific amendment? He said she is sure to vote against it; no worries.

That didn’t sound like he knew that from the Congresswoman’s statements or he would’ve said she’s made it clear she’ll vote against it. I say we need to keep calling her.

THE Congress does refer to both the House and the Senate. They certainly wouldn’t let them use straight razors – they’re too crazy.

Kirkpatrick of AZ01 just said YES!. Emailed and spoke wither her DC office minutes ago.

This is a good get – may turn her into a Progressive yet. ;]

Well I do get SS and my drug costs are increasing too, for the second year in a row.

I’m puzzled as to why and by whose authority?

Didn’t wimmin vote overwhelmingly for Obama. He’s punking EVERYONE!

His amendment, Stupak noted, is in fact more restrictive than the language he had previously agreed to include in the bill. The pro-choice crowd, demanding the right to vote their consciences, Stupak said, overplayed their hand and look to be handing him a bigger victory. Stupak’s amendment is extremely restrictive — any individual or any business that gets any subsidy or tax credit — which will be most people in the country — will not be able to purchase a health care plan that covers abortion, even with their own money. They can, however, buy supplemental coverage from a separate plan. Stupak’s amendment would represent the most significant rollback of reproductive rights in decades.

Is it even Constitutional?

“It may not be. I don’t know,” Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) told HuffPost. “But we’re certainly not looking to resolve this in the courts.” They may not be, but someone, somewhere, might be.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/07/house-health-care-vote-br_n_349468.html&cp

The house is going OFF the reservation…lots of yelling and out of order going on.

CALL YOUR REPS! They gonna vote on this abortion in a few hours.

Time for a week…or better…MONTH of NATIONAL DEREGISTRATION from the so-called Democratic Party.

They push under the bus, then want our votes and donations. Not from the Unterbussen.