(Shadegg’s the one with the baby)
This is enormous news.
Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) said he plans to buck right-to-life groups and his own party and vote “present” on a Democratic amendment that would prevent federal funding for abortions as part of health-care overhaul legislation.
Shadegg is doing so in the face of strong support from groups like National Right to Life and Americans United for Life, which say they will count present votes as not supporting its pro-life agenda. He said this was a “bad call” for pro-life organizations and he vowed not to “give a vote away” to right-to-life groups for what he considers a very flawed process. Shadegg contends that Pelosi is using this amendment to wrangle votes for the overall bill.
“(Nancy) Pelosi is speaker and she’s pro abortion every minute of every hour of every day as speaker,” Shadegg said in an interview with POLITICO Saturday evening. “This is a vote to help her move the bill forward.”
He said he expects at least four or five other Republicans to join along. Sources say Republican Reps. Phil Gingrey (Ariz.), Steve King (Iowa), and Scott Garrett (N.J.) are likely to also vote present.
That’s HILARIOUS. The truly radical right, who don’t want to see any health care bill, think that if they can force the Stupak amendment to lose, they can cobble together enough pro-life Democrats to vote against the whole bill. But Stupak has already said that health care is passing with his amendment or not.
Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) told reporters that regardless of the outcome of the vote on his amendment, which would severely restrict coverage of reproductive health issues, the House health care bill is headed for passage.
So all Shadegg and his cadre are doing is helping pro-choice Democrats responsibly torpedo this attack on women’s rights.
Thanks! Get more to help you!
Ah, Republicans. So used to obstruction that they’ll obstruct their own priorities.
UPDATE: Michelle Malkin tweets:
Vote NO on Stupak. Only way to protect the unborn in govt health is to have no govt health.
Hysterical. The Malkinites and Rushbots are ruining the anti-choice movement’s greatest wishes. Michelle Malkin, hero to women’s reproductive rights. Srsly.
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Politics is bizarre. The right wing of the democratic party, on the verge of triumph, is torpedoed by the right wing of the republican party.
Sadly for us, once Shadegg talks this through with the non-dummies in his party he’ll realize that he’s one rook short of 11-dimensional checkmate. I continue to believe the Stupak amendment will pass because I believe the White House wants it for its public option endgame against progressives.
DDay, can you remove the (Ariz) from Gingrey please? We already are chock full of assholes here like Trent Franks and Shaddegg, Gingrey isn’t ours and we don’t want him. Thanks.
Shhhh! Don’t let them know.
I was just blockquoting, Gingrey is of course from GA.
Gingrey is Georgia I believe.
I know, it is just the thought of it sends shivers down my spine.
Funny how Gingrey got elected from Gingrich’s district. Talk about low-information voters!
When is Stupak up for re-election? I can’t wait to support whoever runs against him; no matter what the upshot on this, he has pissed me the hell off. If their jedi-warrier plan works as well as NY-23, I am going to laugh my ass off… and still support Stupak’s opponent. I’m glad I learned his name today.
Yow!
I love your image, but I don’t think Shadegg is the only one. This whole discussion on the left has been based on the assumption that the Rs would be in lockstep, but I’m not seeing that.
Is it the House? Then every two years. They all are.
Reps come up every two years, so WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!
Call Stupak’s office: (202) 225 4735
My message is withdraw your amendment or face a primary.
If anyone’s interested in Rep. Jim Cooper’s (D-TN05) explanation for having to vote “yes” on HR 3962 – though he did not and still does not want to – and his plans to continue trying to defeat the creation of a public option, see the statement he issued today.
Present.
Stupak’s mailbox is FULL!
Damn!
Look.At.Markey!
what’s that about—I can’t bring myself to watch
Mica using the “Democrat Health Care Plan” slur.
It was actually one of the more watchable moments today.
It does nothing, however, to advance a good bill, just shames the Republicans for fronting an even worse alternative.
Quite some shenanigans going on in the gallery that we can’t see on-camera.
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/66839-from-the-floor-healthcare-protesters-crowd-house-gallery
Makes you want to vomit doesn’t it!
Weiner on deck!
I’m withholding a really really puerile response.
Republicans are scoundrels, liars and ghouls.
Me to. I just really like typing “Weiner.”
Does that mean he thinks this amendment was just to allow anti choice Dems to save face? That they were told to fall in line whether it passed or not? Can the Dem leadership really be that smart?
Weiner smoked the Republicons.
Also: Water is currently wet.
Camp represents an area in Michigan that is full of militia nuts.
wouldn’t contaminate my mouth with them. . . . ;-)
Cantor. Where’s me bucket?
That was a slap down by Weiner.
Can’t Or…ate.
Under the sink.
certainly not fit for human consumption.
Just a remark about Cantor.
He of all Republicans, should realize healthcare is a mitzvah.
Shame on him.
Anybody know how much longer this goes for?
Maybe that’s what’s going on in the roll-call after the Nay voice-vote. Horse-trading. But they would have to be careful not to allow a “pass” be misinterpreted as a “present” (which is a final vote). I think you can pass two times before committing.
Oh, yeah, it’s been awhile since I had to heave.
Woudn’t it be a hoot if the substitute bill is actually close enough to the mark that the Ds turn around and take the deal? Bet it doesn’t have the Stupak Amd language in it.
He’s only trying to save his political life, like the capos in the camps.
Maybe less than a half-hour before a vote.
Smoking Weiner @ 29.
Slapping Weiner @ 34.
What going on on this thread!
=D
They were estimating a 9:30 EST final vote time (which would have been about NOW)…but my guess is with all the shenanigans and efforts to delay it’ll be another hour.
Doggett was hot, too.
What order on the amendments votes?
Couldn’t resist.
I don’t know. I think I saw somebody say but…swoosh…gone
Where’s Grayson. Do the Republicons have him bound and gagged in the cloak room?
GOMER! We’re about to DO this to the American people.
Where da frikking papers, and shiz?
Hiss!
Oh great, now they’re playing where’s the copy.
This is beyond the pale.
A stupid stall.
no, the dems do.
No kidding.
Gohmert looks like an extra from “Night of the Living Dead.”
Waxman!
Less than 10 minutes blathering time left.
figures
The Great Orange Boehner – wanna bet he demands some sort of guarantee?
Boner winding up. What slime.
Mantan alert!
Boner! Again! STFU
John the Loser, is he going to tear up?
Heh heh, “choking the goose”.
OMFG — double-shot of Jaegermeister, stat.
Boehner is on deck.
Careful, he’s got a chart and I think he’s gonna use it.
“Before I came here, I operated a small business.”
Owner-operator of a multi-use spray booth.
David Dayen had this great update if you didn’t catch it.
You beat me to it!
[gulps Jaeger]
I was gonna say Man Tan but didn’t think anybody’d know what I was talking about. They still make that shit?
He has his stupid chart with him.
Boner: “Before I came here, i ran a small business.”
I’m guessing that it was:
a) a liquor store;
b) a tanning salon, or;
c) a combination liquor store-’tanning salon.
this morning Louise Slaughter actually pronounced it right before she caught herself and corrected it to his preferred pronunciation. No one noticed because of all of the other craziness.
I propose a new driinking game. The word is: “freedom”. Meet ya under the table in 10.
Boner had a couple of shots backstage.
A real Daniel Webster!
It’s 11-dementional chess that Malkin is playing.
dammit.
what ya drinking, newt?
Chokin’ the chicken…the big orange chicken!
Oh jeebus, you just made me snort my Jaegermeister…
Holy shit, that thing looks like the imaginary organization charts the Soviets devised for the Mujahideen non-existent organization.
The U.S. is unsustainable as long as Republicon ideology and governance prevails.
Energy tax = “Look, it’s Halley’s Comet!” non sequtir / diversion.
Boner gots nuthin’.
I think that “The Jaegermeister Party” would be a fine name for a new third political party.
Silk™ Chocolate Soy milk.
I have to work later…
Oooops, I thought he only got a minute….
“Before I came here, I operated a small business.”
Owner-operator of a
multi-use sprayTanning booth.There I fixed fer ya Newt..
I was gonna say dunk-tank.
“Before I came here, I ran a small business”
I think he was selling meth to the Tea Baggers on the steps of Congress just before the debate.
Silk™ Chocolate Soy milk.
I have to work later…
what?!
umm – fresh out – I’ll have to owe you one.
drunk tank?
He got “czar” in there, AND it looks like he’s fixing to cry! A two-fer!
Plus IMPRISONMENT!
Give him some magic markers! Looks like he’s gonna pull a Glenn Beck!
did he just say “hyper-bole?”
well – that’s honest work.
But i do wonder if you may have the buyer/seller thing turned around…
I was hoping for the ‘Highball Party’. Multiple meanings intended, I think.
Drive the f*cking train over them!
“Hyperbowl.”
Can’t. Pronounce. Words.
Aiiieeeee!
And some day he will appear all in chrome…
Does he gots Vicks under his eyes?
Strategies for 2010
1. Primary Stupak
2. If 1. fails, support a third-party candidate over Stupak
3. If only Stupak and GOP are running, SUPPORT A REPUBLICAN
Short-Term Loss: 1 more Rs in the House out of 435
Long-Term Gain: Teach Anti-Choice Democrats a Lesson – Priceless
“Hyper-bowl”? Bone in the bag? Or his small bizness didn’t require a GED?
I wonder what the final debate in France was like, or Sweden, or Germany, when they adopted national health. Were there people saying crap like this? Or is America, you know, exceptional in this respect?
how long does he get to prattle on?
But how long is his aria? Get the hook.
I’m thinking he got some o that orange spray in his eyes, up his noz, you know something like that…
not yet – but keep a close watch on his hands….
Well, they can chrome-plate plastic, at least for some value of ‘plate’.
So how long does Boner have to drone on?
Why vote for either? Just cause the ballot directions say “Choose One” dosen’t mean you have to.
Weirdly, his aria is both too short, yet too long.
If he was singing “O Mio Babbino Caro” he would have jumped in the frikkin river already….
LOL!
my strategy for 2010 if this bill passes with Stupak in it is NADA—no votes, no time, no money for anyone. I’ll be giving it all to NNAF to help poor women pay for abortions.
Exceptional, I think. Unless we can get hold of the minutes of their legislative bodies ….
Even if Boner’s final minute had been limited to one actual minute, it would still be the longest minute in the entire history of minutes. Beyond painful.
They are laughing their asses off at us. And we wonder why they think we’re flipping nuts…
Ah, he been hangin’ out with Gaylord Perry?
Should be some strong Dem challengers of Stupak in that part of Michigan.
Hyperbowl…Is that where the Tea-Baggers and Republican Leadership face off to determine their Candidates. Or maybe it’s a product used to clean out the bullsh*t that is left over when the R’s are finished with debate.
keep quoting page, section, subsection there Boner.
Your constituents and fellow party members are getting sleeeeepy….
The poor guy is screwing himself. How the hell is he gonna work up a big cry over “Page 192, Section 28, subsections a through f”?
It’s the Hyperbowl of Freedumb!
mercurochrome or kodachrome?
Tan In A Can, Man!
Thought he was long retired. Dang good pitcher, though.
No, that would be the Stupid Bowl.
I imagine a stage director in front of Boehner wearing headphones and giving the “stretch it out” hand signals. He’s reading the frickin’ phone book here. What are they waiting for? Is there a hot conference room somewhere nearby?
Great one for the particular women needing reproductive health care who will be supported by your money. But we need to do something to intimidate anti-choice Dems not to let this happen again, and entrenched ones like Stupak can easily win without support from netroots. After all, did Stupak get any support from grassroots orgs last year?
Hyperbull…
Loved Gaylord Perry.
Drink!
Americans want more bureaucracy to begin processing deportation proceedings of Republicons.
All I can say is I can’t wait for Keith and Rachel and Jon and Stephen Monday night.
more like David Copperfield.
But Gaylord Perry works too.
I am (or was) a high-speed ektachrome myself…
But I used a Nikon.
That’s good!
Perry is. Boner prolly paid him a bundle to teach him how to doctor his cheeks without anybody seein’ it. Threw a great spitter.
Can think of only one, and he may have the same perspective as Stupak on abortion.
Really, think about the district if you don’t live there.
frankly I’m past caring. We’ve got a Pres. who has thrown the gays and women under the bus, a “Pro-choice” Speaker of the House and 60 votes in the Senate. What’s that gotten us?
They’re all bums. Better the women get my $$.
Is Boner the Republicons closer?
jesus.h.christ.
I thought that the R’s were pissed.
Boner is boring the living crap outta me.
The emotion on display is just…..
well, as soon as i see one, I’ll try to characterize it.
His catcher Jack Hyatt used to change chest protectors between innings ’cause he couldn’t get the Vaseline™ scraped off in time. He had ten (10) extras in the clubhouse.
The way here isn’t ‘either/or’, it’s ‘both/and’.
I’m feeling the need to call my physician – is this a four-hour Boehner?
Just not officially.
Does Boner think anyone is listening to him? Jeebus stuff a sock in it.
Wait is he covertly pullin’ a Strom Thurmond filibuster?
cheater.
Yep.
I think the only one better in that era was Dr Don Sutton of the Dodgers. Man, he wss sumpin’. Lucky enough to see him play, a lot.
He must be trying to delay the final votes until the 11PM news back east… or something? This is only about eating time at this point.
Never heard that before, although it was kind of an open secret that the pitches had a little extra on them.
I hope the people from his district are reallllly proud.
Even if it is an anti-choice Dem, he/she should be supported; there is a huge difference between just being anti-choice and leading the anti-choice agenda so brazenly and dangerously. Stupak needs to be punished, period.
Howard Dean explained once that in Europe and UK following WWII, the health care system was in rubble,literally. The way to re-build hospitals, care facilities, doctor’s offices was to nationalize the health care system. So I don’t think there was any legislative decision, if so, it was long ago. In the US though, employers were not allowed to give raises during the war so they offered perks, health insurance being one of them. That’s how employer-provided health insurance came to be here. And health insurance was an off-shoot of life insurance.
Is it me or is it getting rowdy in there? Did Boner have a little nip during the break?
He’s doing his own form of filibuster. It’s the best they can do.
And I have a nagging suspicion that the longer they drag this out, the fewer people there will be when they go to a roll call vote on Stupak.
How much time does he have available to eat anyway?
Oh Jeez, he’s a regular Jimmy Stewart down there…
from a daily kos comment thread:
the BoehnerOompaLoompa
I thought it was one minute. But he just finished.
When the Giants were thin on crowds in day games, we used to sit right behind the plate, hoping to get splattered. Never happened, though.
Ah, youth…
Watch out; Boehner just said “What Americans want is a step by step approach” after admitting the current system is broken.
He just co-opted Obama’s language.
Mark my words; this is a point they’ll bring back up later.
Yeah, a real Daniel Webster.
Can somebody tweet a Dem and get him to object?
Waxy Dingell.
no doubt he took a few shots of courage.
Delicious.
Dingell proud of discussion today. Presume he was not watching.
Bring it Home, Rep. Dingell !!
Certainly couldn’t have been listening.
If something this long went on in the Senate, half of them would be dead by now. Of course, no one would notice.
We lived a little too far away for that. Used to listen on the radio all the time, though, and TV when they were playing Them Bums. (Making it more interesting, Granny was a fan of Them Bums, and there was visiting in one or the other direction during the season. Gotta admire Vin.)
Not until it was time to recess, anyway.
It was the right thing in 1943 and it’s the right thing now.
From time to time, I find it valuable to remind people that the word “Senate” comes from the Latin senex; old man, which is also the root for senile.
Agreed. Hating the bums was sport, especially LaSorda, who we both admired greatly and booed on every possible occasion.
Guy still does 3 innings a game. Doesn’t sound like the Vinny of the 70s though. Duh.
thugs don’t have pre-existing condition in their “bill.”
That’s the work of driftglass – damn good writer.
;>)
Works for me. I’m sure that some of them can’t remember why they are there.
The United States Chamber of Senile Old Men. Works for me.
Dingell rocking. Good for him, he and his dad earned this long and hard.
Vin was great at football for CBS in the 80’s, too. Had Stramm by his side (drunk off his ass, not unlike Boehner).
Voting on Boehner, the yeas and nays. Snack break!
driftglass – damn good writer.
One of the absolute best. A true wordsmith.
Yeas and Nays on the Rethug plan….
POSTPONED!
So it goes back to the voting order;
Stupak
Rethug Plan
Bill itself
It was and is! Long time coming Hmmm.
Vin was the best baseball announcer I ever heard. Yankee fans used to say Red Barber, but no comparison, IMO.
Showtime!
Wait, I guess it’s Stupak first. 15 min vote. Should take an hour or so…
Impossibly good writer.
I have a dumb theory, from watching a bunch of CSPAN before:
If it’s Vivaldi or Haydn music, it’s “Who knows?”
If it’s Chopin “Measure loses”
If it’s Beethoven “Measure wins”
I had to leave for a while – was Grayson ever allowed to speak – or has his spineless party thrown him pre-emptively under the bus?
They’d better hurry up because my sitter is getting tired. Been at this machine all day and I’m numb in the nether region.
Vinny started out working with Red. The two sound very much alike if ya listen to the old tapes.
Oh, it hurts to see those D Yea votes. Ratbastards.
Just put up a new post for the recorded vote on Stupak’s amendment, gang.
They should be required to wear togas.
Well, he can’t be much under 80 at this point, since he’s been doing games for at least 50 years.
Need help understanding a health care conversation with someone today.
One, she was irritated that I equated Republicans with the Teabaggers.
Two, told me that lots of people come to the US, because they can’t get care in the home country. Gave two examples: Canadian mothers expecting twins came to the US, because they couldn’t get the appropriate care at home. And, that Irish citizens were walking around with obvious cancer tumors on their arms, because they couldn’t get into the doctor and were going to die because of it. I googled these, but clearly not effectively as I couldn’t find any reference.
The rest of her arguments I’ve heard and discussed, but not the Canadian mothers and Irish. Any idea where to turn to find out more?
Grew up listening to Barber in NJ. But Scully seemed more lyrical to me. A friend of mine went to school at Fordham with him.
Snopes?
Because the only problems I’ve heard with the Canadian system are all in Ontario; everyone else seems to be happy with it. And Ireland is probably like everyplace else: not enough doctors.
(They might be non-cancerous tumors, whaich would be low priority until they got really bad.)
A Latin scholar! Swooooon.
Unless the person can give you names, I think much of this stuff is manufactured anecdotes.
thanks for the proper attribution.
laughed so hard think i scared the neighbors…
Heh. I already said, I am pissed I’m missing my regularly scheduled Saturday orgy!
Get thee upstairs man!
PJEvans and Rayne,
That’s what I thought. She commented that we just can’t provide health care to everyone. The weird thing, her husband had a cancerous tumor in his pancreas, but it wasn’t pancreatic cancer, so he is alive after a couple of years instead of a fairly rapid death.
Jeebus it looks like Stupak is going to pass.
I don’t think we can provide to everyone the kind of health care that they seem to think they should be getting, but everyone should be entitled to basic care, preventive care, care that will at least let them live and work and die in some kind of comfort. I don’t think that someone who is elderly and has emphysema and is still smoking, for example, should be allowed to get a lung transplant, but someone who is otherwise healthy and taking care of themselves, at least as much as they’re able to, ought to be able to get in that line. (Heck, my mother had a knee replaced at 84, and was able to walk up stairs six months later.)
Too many Rs (and a lot of Ds) in Congress seem to think that what they get, through their insurance, is the standard of care in this country, and they are so frigging clueless about the real world.
you’re wise beyond your years.
I’ve always wondered who chooses their music. It’s definitely keyed to the shenanigans on the floor and presumed in the dark little corners of the coatroom. heh ;->
Stupak Amendment – FINAL
Yeah – 240
Nay – 194 (One gooper present)
64 dems
Fuck Shadegg.
Stupak just passed and I want to know how it made it to the floor.
Do I want my Rep to vote for the bill as I asked her today, now that Stupak has passed -NO!! I feel tricked.
And I want to know how the leadership could not know that 60 Dems were behind Stupak. A Hoyer trick??