Comments on: House Passes Health Care Reform – Looking Back

By: tomhagan

tomhagan — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:11:34 +0000

All 10 House members from MA are co-sponsors of HR 676, but all 10 voted for yesterday’s steaming pile of ordure, which is of the healthcos, by the healthcos and for the healthcos, with a thin veneer of “healthcare reforms” to make it acceptable. (And even those – ending pre-existing condition exclusions, for example – benefit the insurers, since they apply to all, thus affording a relative advantage to none, but all can raise prices, therefore profits, to pass on the inevitable cost increases.)

My own Rep., Mike Capuano, a good guy who voted against Iraq and the Patriot Act and is now running for Kennedy’s Senate seat, has agreed publicly that the House bill is a crock. But he also said it would be very hard to vote against anything called “healthcare reform”. thus his vote yesterday for a bill he knows is bad.

How bad? My guess is the wheels will start coming off in time to hurt the
Dems in 2010 and failed healthcare reform may do really serious damage in 2012.

This bill is not only morally wrong and grossly inefficient, it is also politically stupid.

By: unionave

unionave — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:00:54 +0000

Thank You Rep D.K. for seeing the burden this bill will put on all working Americans . If this bill becomes law all working Americans will be paying for #1. Medicare #2. Medicaid #3. insurance corporations . Three insurance policies . Because of present economic times many young workers do not pay corporate insurers . This biil will have the effect of a huge pay cut for most working Americans . I can not understand the elation in Congress over what they are attempting to do to poor Americans .

By: marcopolo

marcopolo — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 06:04:51 +0000

Everyone should write their Senators asking them to add the ERISA waiver language back into the final bill. This is how single payer started in Canada. First a province, then the rest followed. California, Massachusetts, Vermont…one of these days, they’ll come around.

By: marcopolo

marcopolo — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:51:53 +0000

Massachusetts might do the same. So yes, extremely important. This is how it happened in Canada. First one province; the rest followed.

By: djfourmoney

djfourmoney — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:45:01 +0000

Look I’m not celebrating but most of the public doesn’t know what’s going on here. Only ONE person at my job mentioned the vote. I didn’t ask any customers because I didn’t want to ask, plus the store in which I work is in a highly Republican District, California is a Blue State but it does have its pockets of ignorance plus I fact I didn’t know until I watched it today, Grey Davis was one of only 4 Democratic Governors in California since the late 1800′s and that’s no bullshit.

Also Jerry Brown has been on the state ballot 13 times since 1973

But I digress -

This Bill, its TRASH, but it can be recycled just like trash.

You can fix many of the “tiny” issues in Conference, not so worried about that.

What we need to focus on beyond the details like making sure the States have enough money to extended Medicaid to a largely segment of the population, we need to make sure ERISA Wavier gets put back in, so States like California can do the Progressive Reform that the Federal Government is unable to do because of moneyed interest.

I can’t keep saying it California is ready to DO IT again, March 2010 State Rep Mark Reno will bring it up for a vote again and just like last time it will pass and be sent to the Governators desk, we’ll see if 3rd time is a charm if not, then we need to hold Brown accountable and make him promise to sign it.

That will usher in Single Payer at the State Level and I’m sure others will follow. It will be up to other States to get Reps and Governor in line with the more Progressive States.

By: SouthernDragon

SouthernDragon — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:28:57 +0000

Gandhi and his followers certainly encountered their share of violence.

I will believe that violence will overcome violence when you can convince me that darkness will overcome darkness. M K Gandhi

I believe that.

By: perris

perris — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:59:02 +0000

when you take something back that wasn’t their’s in the first place it should be called “asset reclamation” instead of a tax

tax “incentives” need to give a positive return, the principle must be returned one way or another, if that postitive return is not realized it’s hardly a “tax” on those people who recieved those funds

but I understand your point so I’ll take it furthre

whether or not both are true wasn’t my point, the point is we can never win the discussion or the debate unless we point out that’s our money we’re getting back, not money that’s there’s that we are taking

it is a comletely differant discussion when those points are part of the debate

By: cbsunglass

cbsunglass — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:37:11 +0000

History says that sometimes a diamond (peaceful reform) sometimes a stone (violent revolution). If the two parties continue to support a plutocracy at all costs, the change that we can believe in will only come with violence, either marching in the streets or out an out warfare. Peace is what we should all want, but sometimes you just can’t get it.

By: cbsunglass

cbsunglass — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:28:03 +0000

Precisely right. The progressives could have held the bill up and the one who reallyneeded it, Obama-Rahma, would have been forced to move much farther in their direction. Even the progressives in congress don’t understand: this is about taking care of the sick not getting re-elected.

By: Cujo359

Cujo359 — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:22:52 +0000

Well, actually I think both are true. ;) It’s just that your wording points out another truth, which is that we’re essentially reversing something that shouldn’t have happened in the first place.