Today on Hardball, Jim Cooper was on to discuss the Stupak amendment and how the House and Senate can work through it to reach a compromise. He had a long conversation with Chris Matthews about how conservative Democrats needed this vote to sign on to the bill. He said that people were confused about how to best maintain the Hyde Amendment status quo, among other things. He said that the bill is likely to be changed, and that the Senate could choose to move it away from the Stupak amendment in the end. He chastised the Rules Committee for distributing language that the Stupak Amendment codified the Hyde Amendment when that was the language from Stupak himself, and he said that the amendment would in fact, for the first time, restrict indirect taxpayer subsidies of reproductive choice services, rather than direct ones. He said that employers get a deduction of health care expenses on corporate taxes, and yet the Hyde Amendment doesn’t cover that employer-based health care even though there are indirect subsidies for it.
He talked like a college professor, weighing the pros and cons from afar, without mentioning that he voted for the Stupak Amendment.
And Chris Matthews never mentioned that he voted for it, either.
Similarly, Ezra Klein interviewed Jim Cooper today and let him blather on about the Stupak Amendment and how he understood it better than anyone in the House, again without ever revealing that he voted for it. And Klein never pressed him on that.
I mean, read this argument from Cooper:
Before the Stupak amendment, many of my friends had not realized that the government gives a $250 billion annual subsidy to employer-sponsored health care. If you understand today’s system, the Hyde amendment bans direct subsidies of abortion. It does not ban indirect subsidies of abortion, in particular the $250 billion that goes to employer-based health care. The bishops never noticed that. But this is the way education works in a democracy. It’s not easy or simple. But when people begin making decisions, they learn about lots of things they never noticed before.
It’s the same with procedural things. In the Rules Committee’s explanation of the Stupak amendment, they said flat out that the Stupak amendment codifies the Hyde amendment. Most people didn’t realize that that’s the description from the Stupak amendment’s advocates, not necessarily the judgment of the Rules Committee’s staff. Like many things in Congress, lots of folks did not pay attention to the details. It looked like it just continued current law. But this turned out to be very important.
Right, so only the wise Jim Cooper understood the implications of the Stupak Amendment. And he went ahead and voted for it. So then I can assume that Jim Cooper wants to ban abortion coverage for everyone who receives coverage from an employer, since they are the recipient of indirect federal subsidies. Cooper is effectively saying that there should be no abortion coverage whatsoever. That’s his words, not mine.
(By the way, Matthews had Kent Conrad on as well to talk about the Stupak Amendment without revealing that Conrad voted for similar language in the Senate Finance Committee. The lack of disclosure is simply amazing.)




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Cooper is a snake in the grass. He must be primaried for the health of our party.
And Matthews is insane on the topic of uteri. It simply drives him mad, the lady parts.
Really? I thought it was the man-crushes that made Matthews act so crazy!
I thought it was the pancakes that made Chris Matthews tweaky.
Teddy, Thank you for this post!
I’ve written two diaries about Rep. Cooper.
The first, on Nov. 6, was Rep. Jim Cooper (D-TN-5): Lessons Not Learned?, about his non-position position on health care reform (his attempt to have it both ways for months) and about his rudeness to Nashville physicians in August, concluding with the point that Jane made here at Firedoglake on August 24, 2009:
The second, on Nov 7, was Rep. Cooper’s (D-TN05) Vote on H.R. 3962, about his explanation for why he decided to vote ‘yes’ on H R 3962, by which vote he really meant ‘no’ on H R 3962. I concluded this post saying
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
It’s time to put a stake through the heart of the Anti-abortion movement and kill the issue dead politically once and for all. This sets up beautifully for next November if the Democrats take this issue on in the Senate, make the pro-life murderers get 60 votes to put it in the Senate bill, get 60 Congresspeople to sign off on voting against any committee reconciliation that includes it and run primary contests against every single Democrat who voted for the God damned thing. And drive it right down the throats of whatever Republicans are left north of the Mason-Dixon Line.
Obama has earned a reputation for bein smart and a political opportunist, so if he is smart enough to seize the moment, he will lead a charge of Democrats against this thing that will make Patton’s run to Bastone look like a Sunday stroll.
And Citizen Hamsher should get ahold of the NARAL and NOW donor lists and lead a charge of feminists right through the heart of where those weak sisters live. There hasta be a way of mobilizin’ the progressive base of the Democratic Party in an off-year election and nuthin’ will do it like abortion rights and healthcare for all. The President’s gunna need his base mobilized or Rahm will be able to triangulate ‘im right out of office in 2012.
I’m sick of limousine liberal, daughters of Catholic pols from Philly and wives of international bankers makin’ policy and politics for workin’ women and men…and while we’re at it maybe we can send a message to Obama to get the Likudnik out of the White House.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, LET’S BLOW THIS BABY UP!!
Bingo!! And Ezra sure has gone soft since he was hired by the Kaplan Test Prep Post.
Nashville is a fairly progressive city and deserves better representation than this bum.
watertiger is upstairs!
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Yes, Chris Matthews is funny indeed. As for Cooper, I think it’s terrible that a lot of Dems seem to take conservative positions on social issues, and it’s natural to want to purge them from the party.
But, we must keep in mind, that each Congress member is not elected by the whole country, but rather ONLY by people within their district (or State, in the senate’s case). So their job, per the Constitution, is to represent these people (their consituents) and not the entire republic. I’m going to assume that TN-5 is a socially conservative district, which means that for a Dem to get elected, they’d have to represent the anti-choice views of those folks… the voters of TN-5. As a progressive, I strongly disagree with their outdated views on abortion, stem cells, LGBT equality/marriage, and war/torture, etc.
But if we “primary” these conservative Dems (who might be willing to side with Pelosi on certain other issues, at least), and then successfully defeat them in the primary to get a *true* progressive nominated to run for that race, then we’ve basically handed the Repubs that seat (in this case TN-5), which is FAR worse than having a conservative Dem in that seat! I just don’t see how a true socially progressive Dem could win a seat in a district like TN-5 or a State like ND, OK, or NE. Therefore, we need to just work with what we’ve got in Congress and keep trying to persuade specific members of Congress to do the right thing :).
Sorry David! Teddy’s name stuck in my head because he was the first to comment. Then, before I wrote my comment, I made a mental note to apologize to the second commentor, KarenM, because early this morning I wrote a comment @ 15 “in defense of my conservatives friends” to her diary, The GOP, as well as many blue dogs, are *always* against a bureaucrat being involved in health care decisions, except when the issue is abortion. Old rules! Women still second-class citizens!, which she thought was serious, though it was not.
So, KarenM, sorry.
David, thank you for this post!
Citizen upstateNYerMdwst:
That tired old line that a DINO is better than a Republican in Republican districts is what has got us into the mess we’re in and as a matter of fact, I think you could make an argument that that kinda thinkin’ got the Republicans into power in 1994 and kept the Dems from excersisin’ their power in both the House and Senate since 2006. Get rid of the Blue Dogs in Republican districts as long as you maintain a majority in the House…the Democrats will be leaner but meaner and will give the people in those districts real choice every election when they are tryin ta figure out why they don’t have any political power, healthcare or jobs in their towns and cities. The whole idea of liberalism and progressive democracy is to make politics work for change NOT the staus quo…the Republican Party is on the edge of the cliff and American women could push ‘em off next November iof they’re given the chance.
Norske,
Cooper’s district, TN05, isn’t a Republican district. Davidson county/Nashville is largely Democratic.
Obama beat McCain there 55%-44%.
Now all the people of TN05 need is a real Democrat who will do a much better job representing their interests.
See my Nov 6 diary (link above in this thread @ 4).
Citizen Knoxville:
Then primary the slippery bastard’s skanky ass!!
Absolutely! Mention it to Jane. Seriously, this guy is vulnerable. He knows it. We know it. I mentioned it to Jane, but haven’t heard back from her yet.
Btw, what do you think of Rob Miller, the Democrat who’s running to defeat Joe “The Heckler” Wilson in SC-02?
“I just don’t see how a true socially progressive Dem could win a seat in a district like TN-5 or a State like ND, OK, or NE.”
Not all of Tennessee is even close to the electoral politics of ND, OK, or NE. TN-9 (Memphis) and TN-5 (Nashville) are two of the most reliably democratic districts in the United States. Kerry handily carried both districts as did Obama–42.94% McCain 55.85% Obama in TN-5 and 22.51% McCain 76.92% Obama in TN-9.
Well,they came in with BClinton and triangulating,anyone remember that.And they are still around today.I agree with you the “big tent” BS is ineffectual idiocy.
Someone needs to challenge Cooper in the primary.Remember folks,the congress has a piss pour approval.And the way the Dem congress is going about legislating has no popularity among Americans for chrissakes.
I don’t live in his district, so I’ll never have the pleasure of voting his ass out. But I would love to have the chance to donate to the campaign of a good progressive primary challenger. I highly doubt I’m alone in that, or even in a small crowd.
I should add that I have my own issues with forcing people who object to pay through their taxes for abortions that I still have not completely worked out to a satisfactory conclusion in my mind. But this guy and the Stupak deal are outrageous. And I have to say that if taxpayers can be forced to pay for illegal wars they object to, it’s a bit much to pick on women who are choosing something perfectly legal after more thought than Bush put into invading Iraq.
On abortion: it is important for all those who state their strong opinions to state clearly and constantly: no one, neither man or woman, left nor right, or anthing in between, is “in favor” of abortion. No matter what the circumstance abortion is always sad and tragic. This being so, how can a politician (think of it!) win an election advocating what no one is in favor of? Advocate alternatives and you have an argument; otherwise you are up against a stone wall. And ponder this: why is it that after eight years of right-wing rule under Bush does Wade Row still stand? Could it be that it is convenient for the right to have this issue out there? The best way to get rid of the issue is to come up with credible and human alternatives. Then no one will even care about Wade-Row.
No it is not important for anyone to state clearly and constantly a lie. I am in favor of abortion, it is a beneficial procedure to terminate a pregnancy that is not desired. I find it a much better alternative to many others, which would have to include forgoing sex, mandatory birth control, or creating a needy child. I am perfectly fine with abortion so long as it is the woman’s intention to not be pregnant. You really have to bring up metaphysical beliefs such as a soul existing in what is a potential human being. No, I don’t see abortion as sad and tragic always, and it will always be around so long as women want to stay fertile and have sex, and I really am OK with that.
I agree. As a TN-5 voter I’ve been waiting to see this competitive, progressive primary challenger emerge. If you read local news you would know the Right and Cooper’s MANY Independent/Moderate supporters have been pushing back hard. Cooper’s reluctant yes is still a yes and I think TN-5 would do better to put some steam behind their existing Democrat (whose voted party-line on every major Democratic initiative this year – i.e. stimulus and cap-and-trade) or risk losing it to Repubs. And to those not from around here: You may be happy to do away with my Blue Dog Dem for a Repub if Dems maintain a majority in Congress, but I live here and I’m not.