There’s more tonight about the big meeting between Harry Reid and Senate progressives tonight, as details leak out. Jeffrey Young has a story up at The Hill. He confirms that the public option was the key topic of discussion – and that the progressives requested it:
Though Reid has already announced the bill — which could be unveiled as soon as Tuesday — will insurance a form of government-run public option insurance from which states could opt out, a gang of liberals apparently needed reassurance and requested a sit-down with their leader.
Attendees at the meeting included Democratic Sens. Barbara Boxer (Calif.), Sherrod Brown (Ohio), Roland Burris (Ill.), Al Franken (Minn.), Jay Rockefeller (W.Va.), Chuck Schumer (N.Y.) and independent Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.). They met in Reid’s Capitol office with the majority leader, Majority Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.) and Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (Mont.), whose version of the healthcare bill did not include a public option.
Boxer and Franken in particular haven’t been nearly as vocal in public about the need for a public option as the rest of those members, but the rest have been the ones most out in front, including Burris and Sanders, who have at least intimated that they would not advance a bill without a public option.
The New York Times reports that the liberal Dems “urged Mr. Reid not to back down from his decision to put a government-run insurance plan, or public option, in the major health care legislation that he is working to finalize.”
Hm. What have they been hearing?
This comment from Max Baucus, who was at the meeting (why wasn’t Tom Harkin or Chris Dodd, representing the HELP Committee, with just as much claim to the bill?), is ominous as well:
Baucus confirmed the topic of the meeting was the public option but insisted, as he has all year, the Democrats are more committed to enacting healthcare legislation than any single issue. “They wanted to talk about the importance of the public option in the bill,” Baucus said of the liberals, “but the main point is: we must pass health reform this year.”
Sherrod Brown appeared on The Rachel Maddow Show tonight and made no mention of the meeting in particular, though he did claim to be confident that Sen. Reid would not include the Stupak amendment language in the merged Senate bill. He also reiterated what he’s been saying forever, that the final holdouts on the bill (listed in the Times article as Landrieu, Lincoln and Nelson – Lieberman was mysteriously absent) would not “want to be on the wrong side of history” and vote down the kind of decades-in-the-making legislation that people go into public service to pass. He did say this to the Times:
“A large number of people in this country including many, many doctors wanted Medicare for all,” he said. “That didn’t happen. Then we wanted a strong public option tied to Medicare rates. Then we wanted a public option building the Medicare network. That didn’t happen. Now we are saying public option coming out of the HELP Committee. And now we’re saying public option with the state opt-out. Where was the compromise coming from their side?”
We’ll have more on this tomorrow.
…Politico suggests that reconciliation may have been discussed, though Chuck Schumer denies it.



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It’s not that hard to figure out what’s going on here. Reid is short 3 votes to open debate. He wants a test vote on opt-out which will fail. Then he will substitute a bill without the PO, possibly with a triggered co-op plan.
The liberals he met with are unhappy. But what will they do about it? Most are already on record demanding that all Democrats vote to begin debate. None of them is publicly threatening to vote no on the test vote if it doesn’t have a PO. It’s a very ominous situation indeed.
Any talk of just putting it on the budget then we only need a straight majority right?
Good question.
That’s what the Politico story in the last line — “reconciliation” — is all about.
Obvious: trade Stupak for the public option…get neither
that aint happenin’ – far too many of the critters rely on contributions (cash and boots on the ground) from Labor. and my uninformed opinion is that Labor will accept Opt Out, but certainly not co-ops or triggers
“I made the point that 60 votes is kind of a blessing and it’s a curse,” Baucus continued. “The curse side is it’s kind of hard to get 60. The blessing side is everybody, every one of those 60 senators knows that we must pass health care reform. So there’s a strong driver there to find that solution, to find that compromise to find some way to find a solution that bridges the gap between those who strongly want the public option and the few senators on the other side who do not. There are always ways to find solutions here.”
http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1109/Senate_liberals_press_Reid_on_public_option.html
60 Senators know we must pass Healthcare reform, he can’t be counting Joe can he?
Why not do it if we only need 51 votes we could get a much stronger bill?
Without a public option, this certainly isn’t a nation healthcare bill.
Where is Paul Wellstone? I want to see a flannel shirt! Apparently coats and ties and power pantsuits include blinders.
Any bill Holy Joe can vote for I’m guessing won’t be a bill the Progressives could sign. So if Harry wants to pass something what other choice does he have? The more Harry waits the more he risks Swine Flu killing someone famous maybe a movie star, a reporter, a politician’s wife and then the Press will run with the story 24/7.
The odds increase in our favor the longer this debate goes on. Congress goes home for Thanksgiving they will hear from their voters. If nothing is done by Christmas Congress can expect to really hear from the voters.
If Harry wants to pass a moderate healthcare bill and I think he does he should be leaning on holy Joe now and getting a vote now.
New higher unemployment numbers will also help our side the longer the wait for a vote the better it is for us.
Because people with no jobs tend not to have health insurance.
Healthcare, uh, reform in 6 acts:
Act I: On The Campaign Trail
Obama and Clinton in a slugfest over who can insure the most people while slaying the greedy bastards in the healthcare industry once and for all
Act II: Getting Started
Obama wins. He insists that, Fox News notwithstanding, health care reform will be tackled and pinned to the mat by his administration before the year is out
Act III: The Gang’s All Here
All the players in Washington and New York line up their checkbooks….and their IOUs…as the “haggling” begins
Act IV: Stalking “The Great Compromise”
Max Baucus is chosen as the point man in creating a bill that is exactly, uh, halfway between Main Street and Wall Street
Act V: Closing In
Inexorably the “fair and balanced” reform proposal wends its way towards Obama’s desk as heroes and villians rise and fall
Act VI: The Home Stretch
Now we all sit back and wait to see just how many “progressive” changes are in the final bill
Will this be yet another triumph for liberal socialism?!
Max Baucus, a corporate tool until the very end. He plays it off like he’s wanted a public option all along, but the votes were just never there.
I love how the bill has to be weakened to cater to 2-3 narcissists. I bet it’s that stupid bitch Lincoln in particular. She’s up for re-election and is depending on a huge flow of cash from the insurance industry for “saving them”.
I don’t see how they pass a bill with a triggered public option either. I can’t see Sanders, Burris, Feingold, Rockefeller, etc. voting for it.
fyi – latest TradMed (ABC News) polling: 72% favor PO
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Public Option with hard opt-out (after 2012) and immediate implementation or budget reconcilliation and make it chrystal clear that there will NEVER be a weak Democratic majority leader again! Why in God’s name have the progressives not just whipped One Hung Harry Reid that if he doesn’t whip Joe Likuderman, Nelson and Landieu and get a public option either through opt-out or reconcilliation, then he won’t be majority leader in 2010. But get this damned thing done by December so EFCA and a jobs bill can be introduced before Christmas.
Get a bill with a public option with an opt-out, declare victory and serve notice to the fuckin’ fascists that they’d better get the fuck outta the way after Xmas or the voters won’t be able to find ‘em on the ballot in November. The progressives have gotta save themselves and in the process save the Democratic Party and the Country…get rid of Reid!
Seriously folks, I think Obama really wants gridlock and more Republicans in the Congress…what the fuck??!!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNITION AND REMEMBER THAT THERE IS NO COMPROMISIN’ WITH FASCISTS!!
Why are progressives so eager to get this crap of a bill passed? It is going to force people to buy insurance from the insurance companies and it doesnt provide choice for anyone who currently has it through their employer. This bill is garbage and it will come back to haunt anyone who supports it. It wld be better to do nothing and have Obama and the dems start over than forcing a garbage bill on the public. Even the public option in these bills are garbage and wont reduce costs.
What is the current estimate, that 5 years from now between 2 and 5 percent of the population will be able to opt into opting out of the private insurance option? Why is this still spoken of as though if it passes it reflects actual reform?
This is yet another example of how crony capitalism owns the board and all the pieces on it. And how in turn it makes up the rules of the game as it goes along.
Consider:
From OpenSecrets.com
Since 1990, the insurance industry has contributed $320,802,051 to the election campaigns of both Democrats and Republicans.
In the 1990, 1992 and 1994 election cycles, the millions were more or less evenly devided betweens the Dems and the Reps.
But in 1996 the Delay/Gingrich agenda started to kick in:
Dems: 11 million, Reps 23 million
1998:
Dems 9 million, Reps 21 million
2000:
Dems 14 million, Reps 27 million
2002:
Dms 12 million, Rep 26 million
2004:
Dems 12 million, Reps 25 million
2006:
Dems 11 million, Reps 20 million
But the Dems won that election, didn’t they?
So, in 2008:
Dems 21 million, Reps 26 million
The gap closes considerably. And in the 2010 election cycle OpenSecrets.org notes that so far the Dems have manage 4.5 million to the Reps 3.5 million.
The fix is in in our Bilderberg world.
Citizen Palli:
Paul Wellstone’s legacy is alive and well in Al Franken’s office…I just dropped another $25 we can’t afford on Big Al even though he’s not my Senator (but he’s EVERYone’s Senator, like Paul)…maybe if he keeps workin’ like he has these last few months he will be able to light a fire under my Senator Feingold’s weak ass.
This MN woman misses PW intensely. I believe that Franken is a definite Wellstone in training, but he’ll be more of a Trojan horse, disguised in a suit instead of a flannel shirt! *g* I will be seeing Franken on Saturday and will lean hard.
You are quite wonderful, but I promise not to blow your cover!!
listening to AFL-CIO live stream – Trumka just now saying they are currently “active” in districts with “recalcitrant legistlators, senators” – ‘busy’ “educating their populace” tee hee.
said their jobs/hcr coalition is gaining 30,000 new members a week
I never knew you were from the Golden State too.
Like I have all along, I trust my Senator Sherrod Brown. He very cleverly threw down the gauntlet on RM last night in his laconic way. “They won’t want to be on the wrong side of history.” I thought he looked more like the cat that ate the canary during that interview than I have ever seen him. I think he’s quite confident in no Stupak and a public option without triggers.
DNC called me last week, told me a sad story about obstructionist Republicans, and asked if I could make a contribution. I told him:
1) I had been laid off in the spring and had been unemployed most of the year. Hence, no money.
2) I worked and contributed to help elect a Dem president and a majority in both houses. I’ve continued to do what I can to call and write in support of progressive bills (such as they are).
3) With that majority you have not yet actually passed any useful legislation. Show me you can use that majority effectively, then I might be inclined to help out.
He politely acknowledged my points, then asked again if I could contribute $500.
I laughed and hung up.
Then Stupak and whoever else makes that dirty result should literally burn in hell for what they have done to our people. Literal Christianity. The power exercised against women and the poor is striking and terrible to behold- not the America that we rallied in the 60′s to support. Let there be complete disdain for the Bishops, Stupak, or any other sellouts not working for the GOOD lives of the American people. We need and should have the cost-effective Medicare for all who want it plan. Women should not provide your bargaining chip sacrificing rights to Romans.
What is a president for? When Elizabeth Warren acknowledged that the top was rescued at the expense of the people who were left to fend for themselves- it was sickening. Any illusion that the President will actually get behind anything revolutionary or remarkable to heal this country is rapidly turning to dissatisfaction with the powers that be-all of them. Cap immoral profits? No. Penalize and enforce? No. Accountable? This country needs to re-establish right from wrong and set new examples of service for the public good. It isn’t government that is despised, its the greed and power of business and its corrupt politicians. We need good government to protect us from bad business operating in the interests of a few- and the lackeys in Congress. What else were we were voting for- an ugly America?
You should have asked him if the DNC would just funnel that money to Lincoln, Bayh, Baucus, Landreau, Nelson, Mike Ross, Heath Schuler and all the other “conservaDems” who plant a “D” next to their name but vote like the Republican Neanderthals.
The DNC needs to hear more & more that as long as it refuses to use its majority to produce good legislation, rather than endlessly compromising everything away, they can just bite it.
In my experience of doing similar calls, they DO keep a record of the “victim’s” response, so it’s important to fill their pages with reasons why we’re not donating.
You’re lucky to have such a Senator. And you have potential to have another Progressive champion elected next year: Jennifer Brunner. She is a principled leader that would fight, no matter the consequences, for Progressive ideals; for instance, she has supported same-sex marriage since 1989. We need more people like her, and more women in general, in the Senate, and I hope you support her.
Wellstone’s “accident” happened in the same election cycle that saw Cynthia McKinney defeated by a black woman who had switched from Republican to Democrat and Max Cleland painted as a terrorist-loving coward.
Nothing, absolutely nothing, stands in the way when money wants something.
FeinGOLD not FeinSTEIN.
Oh wait, FeinGOLD = Golden State. I get it. Yuk-yuk.
Does anybody remember the old days when we saw the the people living behind the Iron Curtain as having this sad, oppressed, grey sort of existence? They looked so trapped with no way to escape. Hell that’s how I feel NOW in this country! We’re struggling beneath the iron fist of entrenched corporatism.
At least in the old Warsaw Pact countries, everybody could get SOME healthcare. But here the insurance cartel and other giant corporations don’t even bother to hide or apologize for their despicable crimes. I’ve been reading up on Americans fleeing the country, becoming medical refugees. But with the dollar crumbling even if you have some money it is worth less abroad with each passing day. No escape. All this, just so a tiny percent of our population can live in splendor.
Thank you. You are not alone. Many feel trapped. It makes one wonder what is next.