Everyone’s talking about the US Conference of Catholic Bishops and their imposition into the legislative debate over health care, particularly abortion. The bishops sent a letter to Senators denouncing their compromise language on reproductive choice, saying they would oppose the legislation if that language became the final compromise. They would rather retain the Stupak amendment, which goes much further than the status quo and could be expected to effectively ban insurance coverage of reproductive choice services entirely.
What has been discussed less is the Catholic bishops’ opposition to a restrictive provision in the Senate bill that would ban undocumented immigrants from purchasing health insurance on the exchange with their own money. It was part of their letter:
“Undocumented immigrants should not be barred from purchasing a health insurance plan with their own money,” the bishops wrote. “Without access, many immigrant families would be unable to receive primary care and be compelled to rely on emergency room care.
“This would harm not only immigrants and their families, but also the general public health,” they continue. “Moreover, the financial burden on the American public would be higher, as Americans would pay for uncompensated medical care through the federal budget of higher insurance rates.”
The Catholic bishops may be distorting the debate on health care, and given church-state separation they should probably not be involved in this at all, but in this case, most progressives would actually agree with them, that the exchanges should not be limiting anyone from using their own money to purchase health insurance. Particularly because there will probably not be a very robust individual market outside the exchanges, this basically prevents immigrants from holding any insurance coverage at all, leading to unnecessary and expensive use of emergency rooms.
Robert Menendez has been vocal about getting this removed from the Senate bill, but it’s unclear whether or not he has the votes necessary to amend it.
It’s somewhat forgotten that the House had a conflagration over immigration restrictions in their version of health care reform. The Democratic leadership, trying to woo conservative Democrats, at one point toyed with adding the Senate language, which comes from the Senate Finance Committee, into their bill. The Congressional Hispanic Caucus vowed to vote down the bill if that happened, and as a result the leadership backed down.
However, this fight could spark up again once the conference committee reconciles the two bills. And given the Catholic bishops’ opposition to both the restrictive immigration language and the abortion provision in the Senate bill, one could see a trade-off possible.
Calls and emails to members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus have not yet been returned.




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Thanks dday
To be in a position of so totally disagreeing with the Catholic Bishops on one point and in total agreement on another in the same breath is so rare that I at least must acknowledge it.
Denying illegals the option at least to purchase their own insurance within the exchanges is shooting ourselves in the foot. Something the Conservatives in both parties seem adept at.
And oh yeah, really in humane for no good reason.
why the hell are catholic bishops involved with legislation? did i miss the ‘we are a theocracy now’ notice?
Thanks, dday. I’m just gonna take this one step at a time. Next step is tomorrow.
The Catholic Bishops have put themselves in a position to affect almost every woman in the country. I don’t like that one nano iota.
I agree with both gayle and suzanne.
My question: when is the Catholic Church (and most other churches, synagogues, mosques, temples) going to lose their tax-exempt status?
To PRETEND that what these religious groups are doing is NOT political would be laughable if wasn’t such a serious matter. And I’m serious: I’m really tired of seeing the Catholic Bishops (and other religious “leaders”) holding so much sway over legislation, elections, judicial nominations, public policy, etc, without having to pay their fair share of taxes.
Even though I may agree with the Catholic Bishops on this one point, it’s not good enough, especially given their record world-wide on the treatment of women (just ask the nuns). FEH!!!
I got one, didn’t you?
These are the same Bishops who have threatened DC with taking away aid to the poor if DC passes gay marriage, and the same Bishops who are fighting a woman’s right to choose (from within the White House).
TAX the Catholic Church!
I have nothing but respect for the Catholic Church and her bishops, but they really shouldn’t be playing politics here, whether in the name of defending principles or in the name of obviously self-serving political interests.
I’m sorry, but the issue here isn’t whether I disagree with the Church about reproductive rights or agree with the Church that it is wrong to deny anyone from using his or her own money to purchase health insurance.
The fact is that the Church should be respecting the church-state separation in both cases.
Regarding the Church’s concern for undocumented immigrants being barred from purchasing a health insurance plan with their own money, I call it “self-serving” because Latin America is just about the only part of the world where the Church is still growing.
Our concerns on this issue might be based on principle, but I don’t believe that principle is what’s motivating the bishops.
Will they twist arms on this like they did on abortion?
Bart are you with this Catholic position? Or are you a sometimes Catholic?
The American Catholic bishops? They’re the Taliban with the funny hats, right?
Undocumented workers is another great reason why this healthcare plan is not going to work, as if it needed another one.
From what I know, evangelicals are making big inroads in R.C.s in Latin America, and Africa is the only place where R.C.s are growing (which is why his self-serving high infallibilableness eliminated limbo for babies who died before being baptised),
The bishops should STFU
In this instance, the Catholic church is only interested in the United States and the coming majority of brown voters who will not question their doctrines.
Now that you mention it, I remember them reversing their position on for babies who died before being baptised. I don’t think I ever knew exactly why they reversed it, though.
Still, I thought that the Catholic Church was strong and getting stronger throughout Latin America. For example, wasn’t Liberation Theology originally established among Catholics in Latin America?
That’s what I was trying to say @ 9, though you said it better with just 4 letters!
The R.C.s cast out those leftie Liberation Theology types, as they were on the wrong side of the power structure.
peterr has more on the bishops on the front page of the lake now
We need a bill to remove viagra, prostrate testing, vasectomies, and any treatments of man part related diseases for leverage.
What I will ABSOLUTELY agree on is that the Catholic Church, the Evangelicals, et al, every last one of them, should PAY TAXES. They all lobby forcefully to be heard in every single policy debate and proactively support and finance candidates who will forward their “theological” agendas. They ARE NOT non-profits. They do not rise above the debate and are often the voices that drag the discourse into the dark and dirty.
I disagree with you in that, if they want to play they need to pay. We do –theoretically– separate church from state. So, if churchs want to promote their ideals vis-a-vi public policy they need to pay for the right just the same as the insurance lobbies, the bank lobbies, and every other corporate interest who injects themselves into the process.
Either observe the separation as our founders intended it or pay your taxes for the right to have something to say about how the rest of us live our lives. Just don’t bring God into it when it is time for the IRS to pass the plate. I don’t want to hear it.
Absolutely, gayle! Enough already with the theocratic take-over.
Actually, I took the “church-state separation” phrase from the post. I think church leaders of all denominations should respect such a separation, even though such a separation may not be entirely possible. A few weeks ago, a fellow FDLer explained to me the difference between the tax exempt statuses of political organizations like 527s and of the churches. Based on that explanation, I have to agree with you: “if churches want to promote their ideals vis-a-vis public policy they need to pay for the right just the same as the insurance lobbies, the bank lobbies, and every other corporate interest who injects themselves into the process.”
yep. It’s on the inside flap of all the new chipped passports now. “In Theocracy, Inc. (TM) we trust”
How do these fucks still have tax-exempt status, again?
Soon we’ll be funding them these Churches altogether. Australia is an example of what can happen if they aren’t checked. They’ve got a real problem with the Plymouth Brethren, but the demagogues continue to suck up to them for political power and it’s only getting worse.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/rudd-increases-funds-for-brethren-schools-20090818-ep45.html
to be fair, I think the bishops should be allowed to say whatever they want. My (Protestant) denomination certainly does, although I’m reasonably sure that no one listens to us – or our gay bishops, for that matter. What the Catholics need to do is to stop actively lobbying and manipulating Catholic members of congress into doing their bidding, and threatening their immortal souls if they don’t. The former is freedom of expression. The latter is theocracy. Stupak, Oberstar, Cao.. you listenin’?
There is something called separation of powers. What in hell is the Catholic Church doing in our legislative branches?
I believe Obama has acted weakly enough to encourage this kind of asault on women. Roe vs Wade? Seventy years of struggle for the right to partake in equal protection. If Stupak is not removed from the House should healthcare get there, Obama will be toast with the millions of women who will suffer as a result of this monstrous “amendment”.
To even contemplate the Democrats allowing this callous and insulting political move for their cover is beyond belief? Is Pelosi nuts?
Where is Obama in all of this as women are used as political trading pieces? The mysogyny continues. This is a sneak attack on women’s rights, and the most cowardly move by Democrats imaginable.
If it’s not removed women will reject the President and Administration that allowed this monumental setback. We have been used and not respected.
The White House bubble is as inflated as ever and the tone deafness towards women is astoundingly backward. Obama is in political-cover-mode, which means he’s Missing In Action
Why?? Because there has been NO leadership. Obama has been in political cover mode and has through his inaction allowed the atmosphere to become infested with mysogyny and the Catholic Church?
The White House has shown no leadership whatsoever because if so, the Stupak would have been dead. You know what? Obama is so desperate for a healthcare plan even if rotten……so he can say “the greatest step forward in healthcare in 100 years”.
The political ruthlessness shown by Obama and compliant House Democrats in their abuse of womens rights is sickening, morally degrading, and outright immoral. Pelosi is a Catholic who permitted this as well. Obama has been compromising from the getgo and foolishly looking for non existent Republican “bi-partisan” votes as he gave away the store.
No religious group has any right to interfere. There are separation of powers in this country. Under Obama’s watch I never thought I’d see this kind of treachery. The Catholic Church should lose its tax free status, and stay out of our politics and legislative branches. That the democrats showed this kind of weakness and spinelessness along with Obama’s silence, is revolting.
Women have been used as pawns in this political game. Pelosi should be ashamed to call herself a liberal, progressive woman to have allowed this.
If this flawed healthcare bill could only pass the House with Stupak, then it should NOT have passed until Obama took a stand and changed the dynamic.
This is a dithering,shameless bunch.
The Catholic Church or any other religious group has any right under our Constitution to interfere with any legislative branch. Separation of Powers. Their tax free status should be revoked.
Stupak and the Catholics who committed this stealth attack on women’s rights to advance their religious points of view is outgrageous, illegal, immoral, and cowardly. Democrat Pelosi and the cowardly Democrats who voted for this insult and threat to Roe vs Wade will pay at election time to be sure. Obama? Out to lunch as all he wants is “A BILL” for his resume.
This is inexcusable and unsupportable. Using women as political pawns with the help of the Catholic Church is unspeakable in our Democracy or whatever is left of it.
Separation Of Powers is clear and enforceable. The political cowards who allowed this have overstepped.
This is a stinker and way out far away from our Constitution.
This is using women again for political power games regardless of the suffering and human consequences. To say nothing of our laws.
Thanks for this very astute post.
Double standard, much?
(I’d have a lot more respect for their opinions if they saw women as being at least as much real people as they see undocumented immigrants, and said so. Given some of the hypocrisy they’ve expressed in the past, I don’t expect change in my lifetime.)
Were I a practical joker, I would phone up the Bishop’s Conference claiming to be from the Senate conference and offer to amend the bill in the following way: wherever the words “undocumented immigrant” appeared in the bill we would add “and gay people”.
It would put them in such a quandary of competing interests and point out their hypocrisy wonderfully.
“F” the catholic bishops and the horse they road in on. The catholic church is more corrupt than our government. Home of pedophiles and child molesters. they have no standing to demand anything in the political realm: be it immigration or health care. They are shameless bigots and criminals. so the catholic bishops should stay the hell out of politics.
wow. right on, right on.
I agree! WTF are the Catholic Bishops doing sticking their noses into legislative affairs? They don’t pay taxes because they have a religious exemption. That means they cannot play in the political pool. Yet here they are. If they want to take a secular position, let them pay taxes like the rest of the players. I for one, pay as much attention to what these guys have to say as I do when the princes of the Russian Orthodox church make statements, Or the Buddhists or , God forbid, the Muslims. Stay out of politics or start paying taxes.
Yeah, Bishop, but it’s okay for 144,000 Americans to die each year through no fault of their own other than not having insurance available to them. When Al Gore or John Kerry ran for office, their defeat was aided by the Bishops because of the rights of women to decide what was best for them. You want these kids to live but damned if you’ll take care of them after they’re born. Look at the millions of deaths due to an illegal war that is still going on due to the interference of the Pope and his Bishops. If this bill dies because of the Church interfering and violating State/Religion, then I’ll send all my medical bills to these bishops.