Bill Clinton told FDL’s Eve Gittelson that it would be problematic for him to attend a free medical clinic being held in Little Rock, Arkansas tomorrow because MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann had “politicized” the event.” He indicated that some were turning the event into a primary kickoff against Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln.
Eve ran into Clinton Thursday in the gift shop of the Clinton Library. She’s in Arkansas covering the Keith Olbermann’s free clinic event, organized by the National Association of Free Clinics. The former President is in town for the 5th anniversary of the Clinton Library.
Eve had met Clinton before, most recently at the Clinton Global Initiatives event in September, and President Clinton remembered her.
Eve told Clinton that she was in town for the clinic, which at least 1,500 patients are expected to attend. Clinton said that he had heard about it.
“I really wanted him to come,” she said. “So I made my pitch.”
She also said she planned to meet with Arkansas Lt. Governor Bill Halter, who had been instrumental in finding a venue for the event.
Clinton responded that Olbermann was politicizing the clinic, and that it wasn’t helpful for Olbermann to do that. He said he did not feel he could show up now, because the event had turned political.
Eve said that Halter had been very helpful, and that the event was not political. She said that Halter’s intercession had been key in getting the Convention center to give the clinics space.
Clinton replied that the event was becoming political, and that it was clear what was happening: a primary of Blanche Lincoln.
Olbermann, who has invited his viewers to contribute to the National Association of Free Clinics in advance of the event, has said on his show that “I want Sens. (Blanche) Lincoln and (Mark) Pryor to see what health care poverty is really like in Little Rock.” Lincoln has met recently with Joe Biden and President Obama, but has yet to agree to vote for debate on health care to proceed in the Senate.
Earlier this week, Bill Halter appeared on Countdown, with guest host Lawrence O’Donnell, who asked if he was planning a primary challenge of Lincoln. Halter did not foreclose the option, but said he “didn’t want to focus on politics or my political future” at the expense of the free medical clinic event.
Halter served in the Clinton White House and was appointed to the Social Security Administration.
Clinton told Eve that Lincoln has done a great job as Chair of the Senate Agriculture Committee. He felt that the most important thing for Lincoln’s reelection, was for President Obama to be able to go into the State of the Union address with a “win” on health care behind him and to focus on jobs and the economy.
“I think he was saying that job growth is critical to the survival of endangered incumbents, and that blocking health care won’t put the wind at the backs of the administration, so they can get on to jobs and the economy. If we can get through health care, I think he was saying, then Blanche Lincoln’s political futures will improve. That’s what will get her re-elected,” said Eve.
In a statement provided to the Associated Press, Sen. Lincoln commented on the free clinic, saying that “this one-day clinic is a blessing, but it is not a sustainable way to deliver health care for the thousands of uninsured and underinsured Arkansans.”
Eve Gittelson will be covering the clinics this Saturday for FDL, which run from noon until 7 p.m. at the Statehouse Convention Center in Little Rock. Over 1,000 volunteers have signed up to help, and as many as 80 physicians will be on hand, according to Arkansas Matters.
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what a disgusting slithering piece of shit! The political animal finds the event too political?! Fuck him over and again. I hope that Democrats will finally start seeing this dick head for the corporate shill that he is!!!
Cock sucker!!
Well, I guess we now know that Bill is voting for Blanche.
Is Bill kowtowing to Blanche because of a better blowjob?
He can’t Bill is a new yorker now
IMO, the whole point of this is that poor, and especially poor sick people are “icky.”
According to our myths, we’re not supposed to have either of those conditions in large quantities, and to admit so is a defeat to the establishment, regardless of on which side of the aisle they sit.
Olbermann stepped up, raised a shitload of cash, and organized a number of free clinics. And this MF has the temerity to criticize such an effort? Blanche must have really shined his knob good…
Well, that’s pretty clear, isn’t it? Mr. HCR former President finds today’s HCR “too political.” Thanks heaps, Bubba, and thanks also for repealing Glass-Stigel, while I’m at it. I’ll keep my list of things to thank you for mercifally brief because (lucky for all concerned) I’m too busy to spend the time writing down all the pieces of crap legislation that you’re responsible for.
Corporate shill, indeed.
And Blanche has the brass iron balls to state that such clinics aren’t a
sustainable way to deliver health care? No shit, Sherlock Lincoln. Getta clue as to why KO sponsored this thing in your back yard: it’s called shaming you into doing what your constituents elected you to do – support we, the people, not they, the corporations. But hey: you got yours, right Blanche? So all the rest of us can just go get effed. I get the picture.
Thanks for nothing. Primary away!
Yeah. Bubba doesn’t like to see the little people getting too uppity and forgetting their place.
There’s a special place in hell reserved for Bubba, right next to the seat Ronnie Reagan is keeping warm for Bush the First.
No, Mr. President. Olbermann has put the focus of this debate on the human beings who are suffering and dying every year because the health care system is failing us.
Olbermann hasn’t politicized the event. He has called Sens. Lincoln and Pryor out by saying that he wants them “to see what health care poverty is really like in Little Rock.”
But speaking of political events, Mr. President, when the people of Arkansas rise up against Sen. Lincoln and support a primary challenger, I sincerely hope we don’t see your face among those out there supporting her.
She’s out.
Bill Clinton, as a resident of New York, will not be voting for either Blanche Lincoln or Mike Ross. If you remember Clinton held a fundraiser for Ross in Hot Springs, where Clinton grew up; Ross is from down the road.
So we see what is political and what is not, and who Bill Clinton lines up behind. Is that a big surprise, given the direction he took when he and Hillary cooked up Hillarycare?
My guess is that he doesn’t want to weigh in on a primary fight in a state in which he no longer lives. And yes, Olbermann politicized the clinic because making a decision about healthcare is a political decision. He located the clinics in the states of reluctant Democrats to make sure that people understood where the constituents of the state stood. Blanche hasn’t cast her first vote yet, because likely she is still bargaining for something unrelated to healthcare.
And guess what. It isn’t the 1990s anymore. Clinton is becoming less and less influential politically and withdrawing into his foundation work.
And BTW, he was said to be the suckee.
“And BTW, he was said to be the suckee.”
That was the exception that proves the rule.
Bill Clinton did much to bring the U.S. to where it is today. Degregulation of the financial industry and the media, ending the Fairness Doctrine, NAFTA to name but a few. All with the help of Obama’s little buddy, Rahm Emanuel. His triangulation to isolaate Republicans played right into the corporatists hands.
To those of you mocking Bill Clinton, saying he’s cruising for a blowjob from Lincoln, I say that I could care less about what he did with Lewinski.
But after this comment that he won’t go to a free clinic because the event has been “politicized,” he sure as hell better not show his face in public at political events to show support for Lincoln next year.
Those two things should definitely be juxtaposed if he does so that he looks as fucking stupid as possible.
The event wouldn’t have happened if Olbermann hadn’t raised the money among his Countdown viewers. Far from politicizing it, Keith made it happen.
Imagine, Bill Clinton getting his facts wrong. In a way that excuses him from showing up corporate interests in the health care field.
The VSPs don’t like the DFHs taking charge. Bill has his knickers in a twist.
Agree; and more to the point, I think this sort of “making it happen” activism outside of the “establishment” is what is necessary, and really our only avenue.
I’m resigned to the fact that whatever emerges as a bill will be unsatisfactory, and that this go ’round is only a battle, not the war.
Forward!, but with a certain amount of retrenchment if I make myself clear.
God forbid that Bill Clinton ever dirties his hands in politics. He has to preserve his purity. I stuck up for him all through the Watergate crap, but what an utter piece of shit he is.
Sen. Lincoln commented on the free clinic, saying that “this one-day clinic is a blessing, but it is not a sustainable way to deliver health care for the thousands of uninsured and underinsured Arkansans.”
I couldn’t agree more, but for Lincoln apparently this is her reason for voting against health care. What a moron. (I’m sure she’s been paid off, too.)
jesus I hate Democrats.
Another disappointment from Bill Clinton. (One of many in recent months.)
It sounds like Clinton is the one who can’t manage to put politics aside for the sake of the free health care clinic and, in fact, for the sake of better health care for all Americans.
Plus, what he said makes no sense. If getting health care reform done will improve Blanche Lincoln’s electoral future, and she is one of the hold outs, then it makes all the sense in the world to pressure her on the HCR bill. And this clinic puts pressure on her in the most positive way possible — by providing care to people who desperately need it. This is silliness on Clinton’s part. He’s not even making sense. Which means that he was caught off guard and could not come up with a legitimate reason for avoiding the clinic and is unwilling to tell the truth (which is that he’s supporting Lincoln regardless of her stance on HCR and regardless of how much trouble she decides to cause and regardless of how much the bill is weakened in the process).
So what Clinton is saying, IMHO, is that he doesn’t care how much the American people suffer and/or are hurt by health care reform that is weakened as a result of Blanche Lincoln’s actions. He feels that it is more important to play politics and to avoid any impression that he is not a strong Lincoln supporter.
I’ll bet Barney Frank won’t be visiting the Lake any time soon.
Well everyone, please don’t all jump on me at once, but I still love Bill Clinton, he’s not perfect, he makes mistakes, but he’s still better than most. And his foundation really does do tons of life saving humanitarian work. And please take your shots at me one at a time, okay?
I don’t find any reason to bag on Bill. The event is what it is. Yes it’s political. It should be. This isn’t Bill’s fight. I think it’s great that it will be a success. Blanch got put her ass in a sling, let her deal with it. I don’t think Bill’s appearance would make a difference one way or another. He gave health care reform his best shot when he had the chance, too bad the rest of the politifucks didn’t back him up. Oh well. Try,try,again. We can’t just give up. I don’t want to deny anybody their chance to throw out lame blow job jokes, everybody needs a laugh right about now. But Bill did a hell of alot for this country and I’m not going to talk shit about him now. Why doesn’t everybody chill out and go back to telling Chimpy the Bushtard jokes. He’s the one responsible for the fucked up situation we’re in now or has everybody forgotten already.
Blowjob! Now is everybody happy. STFU!
“Whitewater crap”.
I know. Can you believe that statement by Blanche Lincoln?
I imagine that Keith will deal with that ridiculous response.
Making it happen outside the establishment is exactly what has them upset. They don’t like to be shown up.
I’m sure you’re right, but I’d so like the opportunity to give the mods a run for their money. ((((mods)))
10-4 sister, and I don’t mind one bit that they’re upset.
In fact, the un-happier they get, the more satisfied I am.
Don’t come here often, do ya?
I hope you’re not in the habit of waltzing into a thread and telling folks to STFU.
This isn’t Bill’s fight.
None of our fights are or ever will be Bill’s fights.
Eve, Bill doesn’t make mistakes. He’s a very smart guy with flawless political instincts who helps his friends and hurts his enemies, and we’re his enemies. I’m sorry that you love him, but that’s not my problem.
Confession: Saw Clinton as a slick salesman, a smooth and skilled liar, right off. Have to laugh now that the bubbles have burst some of his former ardent fans are calling him the best Republican president ever.
Can’t wait, if I live long enough, to hear the same sort of thing about Obama.
No shots to you from this commenter.
Bill does/says some good things, and Bill does/says some not-so-good things.
Bill is kind of like Life. *g*
All else aside, PROPS TO KEITH OLBERMANN.
Without Keith these clinics would never have come together. Clinton just sounds like he didn’t know the genesis or the objective of these clinics. Olbermann intended to draw political attention to the human aspect of this debate.
Sometimes Bill Clinton needs to shut his mouth while he’s ahead.
Did I miss something re: Barney Frank here at FDL?
Well hell yes it’s political.
Republicans are happy to let people die and Democrats with a conscience want to help folks avoid that inevitability as long a possible.
If anyone needs to be told to STFU it’s “he who never inhaled”.
tgif
Clinton is smarter than many think. Can anyone imagine what the Clinton haters of any stripe and opponents of the free clinic events would do over them if he started showing up and saying nice things about them? Fox would have a field day just for starters.
FUCK YOU BILL,and i hope NOBODY ELSE does ya turd
I won’t take a shot at you.
To get things to happen, you have to have relationships with others. I don’t have one with Bill, but you do, even in a small way, and you’re doing something.
I was a total supporter of Clinton during the ’90s as I completely appreciated some of the brakes he put on the Reagan/Bush years. That headlong assault of the Republicans power years was as maddening as Bush 2 was.
But he did pour gas on some of the other issues of the day, which reach into today’s times, for which I will criticize him. Mightily!
enter worlds smallest violin
Bazzy had his eye removed……………he is recovering
Same for Obama.
Supporter for the good things he’s done, but loud and vocal critic on hypocrisy and bad things he’s done and is doing.
How come I’m not seeing you on Caturday with this stuff?
Clinton’s foibles have been around quite a while. I’d rather try to change the policies than throw stones at him.
Great lookin’ pie, by the by.
sickdoggie,doing HCR rallieshere…dont sleep well either…loveya thoroughly
Baz
http://bp3.blogger.com/_puwu6DDVFi8/Rs9HGqvcymI/AAAAAAAAAEY/LC1H-lVgfyg/s1600-h/101_0068.JPG
I love you, fitley.
Particularly the last paragraph.
Yes, Bill Clinton, because flying your apolitical self to North Korea to broker a secret deal to bring back some journalists was completely apolitical. You wouldn’t want to find yourself embroiled in anything political, that’s for politicians.
This will probably make me unpopular, but Bill Clinton is an asshat, and I never understood why he was so beloved, other than reflexively as a defense against all the stupidity and fervor of the Religious Right.
Handsome little devil.
wow
Ha, ha, ha.
The Repubs have one set of principles (dogshit, really).
The Dems have various principles.
Sure, and I am saying that, but not articulately. Credit where credit is due, and criticism where it’s due too.
And in this case of an event regarding his signature issue, Health Care, in his stomping grounds, and his distance from it, is definitely cause for criticism in my view.
yea…Little Robbie Rubin….thanks Billy boy
I am also sure that Clinton is wroking 24/7 behind the scenes twisting as many arms as necessary to get the damn thing ont he floor of the Senate.
So everyone should just stand down a bit. You can dislike Clinton, that’s your right, but I have no doubt that he’s doing everything humanly possible to move the process along.
He may not even be in Little Rock on Saturday, I saw him on Thursday, the guys moves around alot.
ran himto UT during Hurricane Ida…he almost died………but the saints of theuniverse savedhim…his eye drops 100 bux…………..HCR NOW damnit
IIRC Keith also chipped in $10K of his own to kick this off, didn’t he?
I have been happily either hanging up on, or informing Democrap party reps who call asking for donations that I will not not pay one penny, nor vote for, ANY Dem until I see a robust public option pass, until real working people get economic aid instead of billionaires, and until Gitmo is closed and the wars both winding down. However, I will be happy to give money to ANYONE who runs against Blanche or Nelson or any other criminal asshole who votes against the best interest of REAL human beings instead of billionaires and corporations.
Clinton is a total dick.
he isthe reincarnation of Narcissus
Based on his “half a loaf” speech, I think it’s likely that he’s advising Harry Reid and Pres. Obama to compromise on anything and everything, in order to pass some bill, any bill.
I say this as a person who has been a strong defender of Bill Clinton for years. And no, I don’t dislike him and I couldn’t care less about the Lewinski thing. But he’s been more than disappointing on health care reform this time around.
Bullshit. Clinton is ALL about Rahm Emanuel, Summers, and all others of that ilk. He is Wall Street, corporations, and bazillionaires up and down.
Clinton is an asshole.
I get it. And I’m not full of vitriol or dislike.
I think focused criticism on the issue at hand from the base is what helps to move politicians, rather than personal bias; even though as I said, relationships count when you want to move things along.
Robert Rubin dont forget,and Alan i dont believe in fraud Greenspin
a very rich asshole
I think so too, and I think that was the basis for Obama’s “The Bill You Like Least” speech.
That’s what’s going to happen; the bill we like least.
I guess I’m looking at it with different eyes. These KO organized free clinics have the potential of reaching and informing people who are and are not paying a lot of attention to the health care/insurance issue. As vilified as Clinton has been I’d have to look at the PR value of having him appear at one or more of them, especially because of his health care plan. Once Fox put their spin on his appearance the corporate media would pick up their theme and the next thing we know the current HCR bills will be “another Clinton health care plan.” ymmv
No reaching across the aisle can’t even reach to the middle of own aisle.
Clinton is no longer in office so why all this hatred? He didn’t do everything right but I’ll bet most people here were living better when he was prez you they are now. People had jobs, crime went way down and the country was upbeat. Geez, you would think that he was a serial killer.
I agree that media spin is a problem, and you characterize it quite aptly.
But so too is leadership; after all, that media spin problem is there regardless of what leadership does. So yes, there’s Little Rock and a hard place, and Liberal leadership is between them.
My opinion is lead! Be bold! Mud shall be slung regardless, so the effort might as well be there, and be worthy.
or he could just come by and drop off somebody ,who just lost their insurance
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Bill Suede Shoe Clinton is a dinosauer, a walkin’ talkin fossil from an older period in American political history. We can learn a lot from history but more from archeology to which fossils belong…and the single thing we learn from a short study of the fossil of Meglocaninusclintonus is that the climate has changed and never again will we be subjected to the rule of restricted choice that found us goin’ to the mat for this slimy, middleaged, sexual predator.
Never again!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, IF YA WAIT LONG ENOUGH THEY’LL ALL SHOW THEMSELVES!!
his treasury dept setup the calamity
see PBS…The Warning
For you, anything. ;)
theWarning…must see TV
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/?utm_campaign=homepage&utm_medium=bigimage&utm_source=bigimage
In addition to the economic trainwreck that Clinton helped to set up, his triangulation strategy is what made the Democratic Party what it is today: a group dominated by corporate lackeys. Given how badly and repeatedly screwed progressives have been by Clinton’s DLC it is no surprise that there is no lack of hostility for Clinton around here.
Citizen Twain:
He might not still be in office but his entire fortune (which is considerable) and his wife’s career and his daughter’s future require him to continue to triangulate with the corporate bankers and the fascists to eliminate Democrats and progressive politics. He couldn’t use his persona or his presense anywhere on behalf of the people in the face of the banks or the banks would pull his ticket. He’s a shill and a rich huckster whose wife is strategically placed in the Obama administration. I wonder now if Obama still thinks havin Rahm on one side, Mrs. McClinton on the other and Big Dog with a knife at his back is really good politics.
well said
You are correct.
But too radical for many here.
You should direct your considerable energy toward overthrowing the current system.
Well, now I know who Eve Gittelson is. It’s nice that little Bill Clinton has someone to protect him from mean bullies.
Well, hell, I understand President Clinton’s reluctance to enter into this fray at this time.
Has anyone considered that in the very near future he is going to be called upon to talk with Blanche Lincoln in connection with HCR?
There is a lot to consider here. I trust his political judgment.
This is particularly so when it comes to Arkansas politics.
Since FDR, he is the only two term Democratic President. As such, I respect him and value his opinions.
Actually, it appears to me he’s been stiffing the spines of the President and majority leader in this fight.
The vitriol here is misplaced – it’s freeper language.
People having jobs had exactly zero to do with Bill Clinton, and exactly everything to do with the overlap of loose monetary policy and a broad growth industry that nobody understood.
It’s becoming more and more difficult to disagree here at the Lake. You are supposed to dislike everyone and if you don’t you get pounced on. Screw it.
Citizen ART45:
Trust me Citizen Art45, I am workin like ‘most everyone else who are regulars on this site to change the existin system of doin’ things. One of the things I learned from a few years of study of American history is that the very idea of democracy is revolutionary…it took me a long time to truly embrace that idea but I grew up in the household of a socialist English teacher who was the son of a Norwegian immigrant and taught Tom Pain as part of the canon of early American literature until the powers that be requested that he make the readings “elective”. After the life changin’ encounter with Marx it didn’t take me long to synthesize the American Enlightenment, the American Revolution and Marx’s concept of revolution much to the chagrin of many college Stalinists and Maoists.
So suffice it to say that I do my part every day as do you Brother Art, whether you know it or not.
I think that was uncalled for.
Yeah, signing away the last vestiges of Glass-Steagall, throwing labor under the bus on behalf of Wall Street with NAFTA, totally freeper critique.
There are only two kinds of people that broker free-trade deals where capital enjoys mobility that labor doesn’t, and stands on it as a victory for the people; idiots and assholes. Which one is Bill Clinton?
Citizen tomwatson:
The last refuge of scoundrals is patriotism and the last defense by weak willed liberals is callin’ progressives and real leftists “freepers” or “unhelpful. The vitriol Brother Tom is the truth…so fuck you.
Yes, the vitriol being expressed here against President Clinton is shocking. For me he is and will always be the Big Dog.
Compare him to the last 6 Presidents. What the hell!
What are we disagreeing about? That Bill Clinton was or wasn’t responsible for the boom of the 90′s, and then the bust too of course?
I’ll take up the position of “wasn’t.” Greatly anticipating the support for the assertion of “was.”
I agree, Twain. Some of these discussions have begun to turn regularly to lobbing of grenades. So I don’t stick around the Lake as much as I used to. And disagreeing with Jane gets you poked in the eye (figuratively).
Don’t entirely disagree. Like w/Obama, I had my doubts when voting for Clinton, but what were my options? I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and I could care less about the blowjob. Whatever. That was a pointless waste of time & MONEY, espeically given all of the unending sexual “transgressions” of Republics. I am much more ticked off with hypocritical Republics: talk about WASTING my effing tax dollars and “big” gov’t being far too invasive in stupid stuff.
However, Clinton disappointed me so much that I was moved to vote for Nader – the first time he ran. In spirit (although not so much in practice anymore), I agree a with much of what Nader said at that time: that both parties are beholden to the corporations and have their snouts in the trough & there’s not a lot of difference between the 2. However, in the second election of Clinton, I still wanted him to win (knowing that there was not a prayer for Nader) given the other choices.
Same goes for Obama. I like aspects of Obama, as I like aspects of Clinton, but like Clinton, Obama has not so much been a disappointment to me but the fulfillment of what I figured he would be: more of the same & beholden to the corporations, which was proven when he tapped Rahm for the job (ugh). That means: yes I infinitely prefer Obama to McCain/Palin, but we are still voting for the lesser of 2 evils (or the evil of 2 lessers as the case may be).
And so yes: I am ticked at Clinton, but when have I ever not been??? Yes, he’s done some “good things,” as has his wife. But I reserve the right to call him out on stuff, and I disagree with his choice, and esp his decision to dump on Keith Olbermann who’s done a great thing, in this case.
Bill’s a big boy with broad shoulders: he can deal with it. It’s the truth.
Actually, I’m pretty sure that Olbermann gave $50,000 of his own to the National Association of Free Clinics. His original idea was that $10,000 of it should go to each of 5 free medical clinics to be held in five different states. Arkansas is just the first, no?
There are so many times I want to say something and I just don’t because I know what will happen. It gets so tiring.
Not sure how much KO gave, but this is the second one. The first one was held last weekend in NOLA and had big crowds come for health care help.
Do you recall Obermann’s conduct during the Democratic primaries?
I am sure the Big Dog does.
Plus, the idea that Olbermann has done a great thing whereas the Clintons’ have done some good things is outrageous.
I still like President Clinton – easily (so far, but I’ve got my fingers crossed) the best president of my adult lifetime. Sure I don’t agree with him on everything, but I still consider him a great Democrat.
Olbermann, on the other, may or may not be right on this particular issue but he’s not even in top 1,000 progressive public voices of my adult lifetime. He’s minor league and clownish. So I tend not to be reflexively positive in his direction.
So flame away.
You’re entitled to your opinion, as I’m entitled to mine. That’s the benefit of having debates. Not everyone is in agreement, but best to you.
I can’t say I’m happy with Bill Clinton for blowing off this event and using Keith Olbermann as a scapegoat (see my comments @ 9 and 13), but I agree with you that he’s still among the best of all of them!
I’ve been jumped on here from time to time for defending him and for saying that I strongly supported Hillary Clinton last year.
Still, I’m not happy with him for the way he tried to scapegoat Keith Olbermann and dismiss this free clinic as something that has been politicized.
Maybe he’s just jealous because Arkansas Lt. Governor Bill Halter found a venue for the event before he did. =D
I will say this – independent of some of the unhinged commenters in this particular thread, Jane Hamsher is doing the work of the angels in staking out the left-hand side of the healthcare battle and pushing it very hard indeed. It’s brilliant and has a strong effect on where the leadership comes out. Well done Jane! (from this Bubba fan)
then you obviously DONT watch him……………next
Clinton deserves it. He was a disappointing President, as Obama apparently plans to be, and his shot against Olbermann was crap. But yes, he was MUCH better than Bush, Bush, Reagan, and Nixon. Joy.
Perhaps it’s wrong to hope that this is not what America has come to.
I like Clinton, too and have never felt that he was anything but a patriot. Growing up in the south, I knew so many people like him who wanted so badly to do something with their lives. Most don’t get the chance but he was so brilliant that he made it. I don’t think it’s wrong that he has money now – he didn’t steal it. I’m glad for him. He may have had very poor judgment on some things but he is the smartest prez this country has ever seen and how he loved politics.
The party of labor right? You’re familiar with the DLC I assume? How do you reconcile those completely incompatible ideas with each other?
this is not a right or left consideration……….48,000realchildren,men and women die each year without healthcare
YOUR EITHER A HUMAN BEING or pond scum…left or right has nothing to do withit…accessory to murder
The second one? My bad. New Orleans? I have to read up on it!
I distinctly recall him saying that he was giving $50,000, $10,000 for each of 5 free clinic events.
The only point on which I’m not certain is if he has actually given all of it yet, or whether he gave it all and was only suggesting how they could use it, or what.
Shortly after he first made the announcement, I wrote this diary: Olbermann: Donate to The National Association of Free Clinics (NAFC).
There’s a link to the National Association of Free Clinics at the diary, if anyone wants to make a donation.
i disagree
Name me a single non-law enforcement labor union that didn’t publicly and enthusiastically endorse both of his runs for President?
And show me in the current administration – who I enthusiastically root for – where there’s been a purge of “centrist” pro-business DLC types (whose policy stands I personally disagree with)?
forkeeerist sakes 2 MILLION dollars were raised ,AFTER oBERMAN THREWINTHE FIRST 50K….READ UP ON IT
Your comment was a personal affront towards Eve. It had nothing to do with Clinton.
That’s false. He was the first progressive voice on TV in a long time, and he brought Rachel Maddow and Ed Schultz aboard. Suddenly ordinary TV-watching people were hearing a non-winger, non-DLC, non-centrist point of view. Clinton has been smacking progressives down ever since he stopped spoking dope. That’s his specialty.
But yes, Clinton was better than Bush, Bush, Reagan, and Nixon. And yes, maybe really has come to this.
I thought Clinton’s shot at KO was out of line. I think most of the shots at KO are out of line. I guess the snipers don’t remember when he was the only one on television (outside of Amy G) who had the guts to speak against the fascist rule of bush. And I think he spoke for damn near every one of us.
ok,im off …some peeps dont know who their friends are
fine- that’s what this place is supposed to be for.
specialcomments
guy has a huge set………………g
Just got this little ditty from the Michigan Dem Party. Anyone want to fork out 1500.00 to meet one of our “greatest presidents?” What a joke.
Friends,
Here’s your chance to meet one of our country’s greatest Presidents through an exclusive presale offer. Former President Bill Clinton will be coming to Windsor, Ontario on April 15, 2010 and you can meet him by purchasing presale tickets. This is your opportunity to buy tickets before they go on sale to the general public.
President Clinton will be the keynote speaker at the Essex Region Conservation Foundation’s 2010 Enviro-Expo at Caesar’s Windsor. This exciting event will help to raise funds to protect and improve our environment.
Tickets don’t go on sale to the general public until November 23rd at 10:00 am, but you can purchase yours beginning at 10:00 am on Saturday, November 21st – two days in advance. We anticipate this event will sell out quickly so don’t delay.
Click this link to learn more about the event and to purchase your tickets. This will lead you to a secure site where you will need the code ‘michigandems’ to unlock the presale site in order to purchase your seats.
Ticket prices range from $68 to $175 each, with an additional offer of an exclusive meet and greet with President Clinton and a personal photo for $1,500 each. For more information, please email Chris Uszynski of the Essex Region Conservation Foundation or call (519) 980-5440.
We hope you’ll be able to take advantage of this opportunity and welcome President Clinton to the Detroit-Windsor Region.
Sincerely,
Mark Brewer
Chair, Michigan Democratic Party
please watch that PBS link i linked to…for your own info
Hi Eve, who do you still love, Bill?
He never got health care passed. He blew it the first time he tried, and there was no second time because he was busy triangulating, and then he didn’t have the good sense to have an affair, if he really needed to have one at all, with someone who didn’t work for him, and we all paid the price for that.
He didn’t do anything for US manufacturing; but instead advanced the cause of globalization and exporting jobs.
His energy policy was sort of Republican lite, and he encouraged the SUV move which only exacerbated environmental problems.
He did nothing for labor unions, but sat by as they continued to erode.
He aided and abetted the further development of concentration in the banking industry and on Wall Street
He helped to strengthen and reinforce the doctrine that the free market knows best
Our infrastructure deteriorated under him
He did very little for the education system
So, why do you love him? What did he ever do for us?
vomit………by
Now there is some progressive thinking…Trying to remember where I last heard such rhetorical self aggrandization…Oh yeah, you’re a teabagger, right? Endorsing overthrowing the “system”…Epically constructive, dude.
Bill Clinton I don’t see how u sleep well? All these politicians are the same. When u see Republicans and Dems fight over health care it just shows what they’re about.
307,981,00 Americans, 40 million uninsured, are we serious? Where’s Single Payer when u need it?
how condescending
Had enough vitriol for one evening.
Namaste
love you eve. but that doesn’t stop me from despising bill clinton (and am sad that you would defend him). from the economic policies that he had summers et al. use on russia to help kill 3 million people to the almost constant bombing of iraq — i want to see bill clinton on the dock at the hague. right after g.w. bush.
and that’s just foreign policy
then dont watchit……….ignorance (of the subject)is bliss
Bingo!
Sorry OG, but I always compare him Roosevelt, Truman, and Johnson, and even considering Johnson’s great Vietnam error, I don’t think Bill compares well to these three real Democratic Presidents.
so sorry. mass murderers don’t bring out the best in me.
right on selise,we are doomed to repeat same shit on different eternities
Thanks, I think. Actually, why don’t you just click on the link in my comment @ 99 and make a contribution to The National Association of Free Clinics (NAFC)?
Here’s the link: http://www.freeclinics.us/
Yes, Knox. That’s what Keith did, and he’s nowhere near as rich as the Clintons now are. Clinton ought to put his money where his mouth is.
Peace and Posperity!
Is it just possible that Olbermann has put together something very effective with the specific intent of drawing attention to the need for Healthcare Reform?
Is it possible that, for whatever reason, Bill Clinton wasn’t at his best in stating his case for not attending? Afterall, he is not the one casting that vote, ie Blanche Lincoln. Perhaps he should have just left is alone and speaking about Olbermann was a bad impulse.
Is it possible that whether anyone likes or dislikes either Keith Olbermann or Bill Clinton has absolutely nothing to do with anything and certainly is not a referendum on anyone’s politics or intelligence?
Seriously, why does everything have to come down to call for revolution?
Seriously….
My first reaction to what Clinton said to Eve was anger, just because it was wrong of him to use Keith as a scapegoat by saying that he politicized this event. Above @ 9, I wrote:
But I still agree with Eve that he’s among the best of all our leaders.
Do you know for sure that Clinton hasn’t contributed to The National Association of Free Clinics?
Labor Unions supported him, and he delivered the knife in their back called NAFTA!
Pure self serving politico scumbag.
Keith is doing great job high lighting great need for real health care program, but congress refuses to even look into it. See the PBS documentary “Sick around the world” Turns out Taiwan has the best health care in the world followed by Japan, Germany and the Swiss. Can’t a congressman or woman to find this out like the documentary makers did.
Blanch f’ing lincoln deserves to be politicized. That’s what happens when you’d rather please insurance companies than actually represent the people who voted you into office.
KO spent 6 months taking cheap shot after cheap shot at the Clintons while masquerading as a journalist.
I recommend reading some of Bob Somerby’s excellent pieces at the Daily Howler deconstructing KO.
How, exactly, is Clinton “stiffing the spines” of Reid and Pres. Obama? Please provide some evidence or at least some reasoning for that statement rather than throwing out an opinion and an insult and expecting me to take you seriously.
And, FYI, there is nothing in my comment that is remotely like freeper language. What a ridiculous and baseless accusation, tomwatson.
That the labor unions couldn’t figure out fast enough that they were getting left behind by their long-time political coalition was exactly what Bill Clinton was capitalizing on when he made those moves. Where were they going to go? The fanged clutches of the Republican Party?
So, then you reconcile these realities by having a completely incoherent hero-worship of people who actively work to undermine your welfare; by your own recognition? Is that what I am supposed to draw from this statement.
Well that’s an answer, just not exactly one I expected.
thank you
Namaste
Right on. Of course KO is politicizing the event. That’s why he placed the clinics in the backyards of those senators that are threatening to join the filibuster with the Repubs. To put the spotlight on ‘em. The clinics have politicization written all over them and that IS THE POINT! If Clinton were a REAL FDR style Dem he would be front and center at these clinics, pumping the flesh and attracting crowds and working for the cause. But he’s a DLC Dem who is all about corporate butt-kissing, compromise and maintaining alliances with scoundrels.
His message to both the Administration and the Democrats on the Hill was strong – you have to get this done, punting is not a possibility, do it now. It had a palpable effect.
‘Hero worship’ is disingenuous on your part Nathan. I admire President Obama and President Clinton, though I often disagree with each of them.
Quite right Joanne – it was a general comment on some of the freeper-style language throughout this thread, not your post (I happened to hit replay there – sorry for the suggestion).
Regardless of my opinion on the rest of it, what you say about Keith trashing the Clintons for six months is very true. I’d have more respect for Clinton if he had just said that he wouldn’t associate himself with anything Keith Olbermann did (assuming that is part of his real reason for not attending).
Well, then what exactly is it about these two leaders, who are physical manifestation of neoliberalism, that is both admirable and agreeable?
While you’re at it, can you explain to me how criticizing dismantling Glass-Steagall, ignoring of the 1994 GAO report on systemic risk of OTC derivatives, and the gutting of the North American middle-class through NAFTA is “freeper” language?
It had a palpable effect alright. It sent the message that they were going to compromise and water this thing down as much as possible in order to get something called “health care reform” passed.
It sent a clear message that this was going to be a “whatever it takes” kind of bill.
Why do you think the moderate Democrats are acting so boldly in obstructing good (or perhaps any) legislation?
That money should go to the clinics. Keith is cool!
Uniforms.. it was uniforms. And don’t forget telecommunications.
how about an example of say; three cheap shots, right here?
Why not show the hypocrisy of Sen. Lincoln! She has no idea of the problems in her state.
She is apparently is in real trouble. We have been hearing for quite awhile that her numbers were dropping and I read today at CQ that a huge number of people (I think about 43% ) said they would not vote for her if she voted FOR the health care bill. She is in a tight position and I hope she loses.
This isn’t a political statement – it’s a human rights statement. What doesn’t Bill understand about that?
The people who frame it as political obviously are unconcerned about the human lives at stake.
You want an example, here you go.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/michael-m-bates/2008/07/18/olbermann-never-even-suggested-clinton-quit-race
Clinton is a peckish overgrown randy frat boy from Arkansas. Of course he would not go near anything with Olbermans name attached. Still has a hard on for him dating back to primary. Bill is a big ass baby. He showed his ass in South Carolina and from that minute on I was done with Billary for good.
A frat boy? Really? Amazing!
Nope. Do you think he did?
Right. I’ll give you some good foreign policy stuff, but prosperity? He just helped build the international economic system that resulted in the bubble that just crashed. He shares responsibility for that with very President since Reagan.
I thought these free clinics were supposed to be held in states where members of congress were unsure of where they stood on health care reform.If you don’t want to show up,Bill,then don’t. Just don’t make up some lame ass excuse. I think Clinton just made it political. Thank you Keith. Keep up the fight. You and Rachael are my politics heroes, for lack of a better term. THANKS
I don’t know the writer, but he didn’t seem to be rooting for Democratic unity:
Olbermann has long demonstrated a detachment from reality. Little wonder he’s a hero of the Left.
…and we see why Clinton’s efforts at healthcare reform failed. Satan help him if he actually made any political points in favor of progressive ideals. While Clinton is calling for more ideological purity, the right-wingers are kicking our asses politically.
We have no way of knowing what Clinton is doing behind the scenes to help lobby for the health care bill, nor do we know what sort of delicate balancing act is taking place in the Senate.
I’m not going to judge Bill Clinton for this. There are too many variables, and none of use have access to that information. It’s easy to label people based on your emotions, but it’s probably not useful.
i think if Obama was more centrist like Bill Clinton and got more involved more things would have got done
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PuhLeeeeze,BCltion is more Corporate than most.Why Clinton gets the admiration from most so called libruls boggles me.
Clinton is majorly responsible for most of the carp we are in.Outsorced jobs big time,Glass-Stegall went away cuz BClinton cared more about the bankers than Americans,TelCo act ’96 how have those put in to effect by BClinton helped America for chrissakes, & his philandering doomed Democrats big time for the longest just ask AlGore.
Anyone admiring BClinton didn’t face the reality of losing family & friends,when Clinton outsourced their jobs.
Well said Professor Flamethrower. This Meglocaninusclintonus fossil has been well-preserved, but has become that which it fears most – irrelevant. Besides, the fossil wouldn’t provide a particularly game-changing boost to the event and could even have harmful consequences per Southern Dragon’s observations, so let him stay home. Progressives have stamina and cunning to fight the good fight. Clinton will need all of his political legerdemain to prop up Lincoln in a primary.
Keith arranged for some people to get a chance for a quick medical opinion who otherwise, couldn’t get one. Be as cheesed off as you want, Mr Clinton. You have access to complete and lengthy physical exams and I am not talking about anything from a medical professional, if you know what I mean. If you don’t like it Bill, then LUMP IT and then go and have that lump checked out and be damned grateful that you can afford to have it diagnosed.
Wow, what an offensive and unpleasant conversation you’re all having here. Did Bill Clinton kick all of your dogs for you to hate him so much? This ugly discourse would make Free Republic blush. Truly, an embarrassing display.
I happen to agree too many variables. This country needs this discourse and its healthy as long as people don’t get too carried away with their insults and their venomous remarks. Bill Clinton knows when to stay away from these minefields – good for him.
Bill Clinton was our President, and he was a good one. Stable economy, jobs, low interest rates, balanced budget and no wars. He did his job and he is deserving of respect. These funky Republicans need to take a chill pill.
Wow. Another instance where Bill suffers from rectal cranial inversion.
Olbermann never politicized the free clinics. That is pure garbage. He helped raise the $$$ for the clinics.
Bill Clinton should keep away from interviews. He’s self-destructive.
Any democrat that thinks their job will be “saved” if they voted against a health care reform bill is a moron and should be trimmed from the herd.
Voters do not understand posturing. They understand RESULTS even if the means of achieving those results was contrary to what voters believed should be done.
If Democrats in conservative states vote against health care reform and insurance premiums do rise astronomically then voters will bounce them out of office.
If Health Care reform passes and health care costs do fall, then voters will keep them in office.
Totally agree with you. He may have been smart 20 years ago, but he’s dumb as a doorknob. It’s absolutely unquestionable that his failure 16 years ago is the exact cause of the lack of movement on healthcare. One can say different circumstances, but it’s the same Blue Dogs putting their dipstick in the well to sign their campaign donations for deposit. It’s the same compromising attitude. No balls.
Olbermann IS the clinics.
Olbermann’s audience IS the clinics.
His audience donated the money for the clinics.
Olbermann’s coming at Obama and the corporate Democrats from the left, and they don’t like it one bit. This health care reform effort is actually baby steps compared to what’s truly needed, and they know it.
Remember, Olbermann’s not just the impetus behind these free clinics, but he’s been putting progressives in the House and Senate on his show regularly to talk about health care reform.
IMHO Clinton’s taking point in the pushback, blasting Olbermann out of frustration with progressives who won’t just sit down and shut up.
My suggestion for a response? Push back at Clinton. Remind people his economic policies were to the right of Nixon’s; that “welfare reform”, NAFTA, and the repeal of Glass-Steagall all happened under his watch. Of course he did some good, but all things considered, Bill Clinton was no progressive. And he was – and apparently still is – very much a corporate Democrat.
Verbally bltch slaping Chris Wallace, and bring the ladies from N Korea is what he’s done well. Smaller acts of americanism will suffice mr Clinton, leave the polotics to the young warriors.
Poor Billy can’t figure out hillbilly’s are passé. We need to through out Lincoln blanch out of the senate now is a good chance to begin this process.
Who cares about Clinton. Tell him to go pass another NAFTA bill because there are still a few people with jobs he forgot to offshore.
“He felt that the most important thing for Lincoln’s reelection, was for President Obama to be able to go into the State of the Union address with a “win” on health care behind him and to focus on jobs and the economy.”
This analysis is so fucking pathetic it is hilarious. By a more than 2:1 margin, Arkansans oppose this health care bill. There is a reason Lincoln has not committed to even open the damn debate for crying out loud, and it isn’t because she thinks a health care “win” will help her get reelected. It quite simply defies logic that those on the left think passing a bill that is becoming more unpopular by the day (just like Obama) is somehow going to be a huge boon for them. If that were the case, Lincoln would have enthusiatically signalled her support for it already, and Reid wouldn’t be pulling out all the stops just to OPEN THE DEBATE. That he doesn’t even know he if has sixty votes yet tells you how likely this turd is to pass by the time the “president” gives his State of the Union.
And the thought of Obama not focusing on the jobs and the economy until the end of January, as Clinton indicates here, is the reason Obama’s approval ratings are in the toilet. People don’t want this piece of crap health care bill, but they certainly want something done about the economy.
Late to the Party Bill you had a legacy balanced budget good, economy too bad the GOP is tagging you as partially responsible for deregulation yes compromise was necessary to get Newt on board and pass laws but you didn’t speak out when Bush ruined the economy did you.
You talked to bloggers, your wife came here to talk you two did not exactly listen to us so we went elsewhere.
Now on passing Healthcare your biggest regret you choose to stand with a Dem who wants to make you regret last forever for if we fail today chances are you will never live to see American kids get the medical care France has.
You stand for keeping another Dem in her seat to keep power. But what good is power if that Dem works to never let us use it.
Don’t let the Perfect be the enemy of the Good? Nope don’t let the Appearance of Power and Friends seduce you from Actual Power crack some skulls on the issues you care about or nobody will Respect you.
We do have Authoritarians in our ranks too we have to deal with them as they want to be dealt with.
Bill you choose Power your friends then only respect you because you use it. Use it wisely we respect you, use it poorly and they will love you then laugh behind your back at the old man who must be humored.
Rahm is laughing at you Bill can’t you smell him?
And don’t forget that Clinton signed DADT and DOMA.
Rachel just said something about FireDogLake attacking Cenerist Dems makes them more electable because they appeal to the Center. Wrong on Healthcare ending the war now FireDogLake is with the Majority of voters its the press and the politicians Dem and GOP that are on the Fringe.
Tell me Bill your support for Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln does what excite the Crazy GOP to oppose her? Yep!
Give Arkansas Sen. Blanche Lincoln any Cred with us after 8 years of you staying silent as Bush lied us to War and Wrecked the Economy? Bwahahaha!
Bill the reason Blanche is doing so bad in the polls is because your former supporters hate her. Its Ideas Bill not personality this is a high interest election why 10% unemployment voters are paying attention to the issues.
You can schmooze all you want you can help pass a weak healthcare bill that helps almost nobody Right Now when we need the help.
If you remember after you failed at passing Healthcare it was the Center Dem’s in swing districts like Blanche that lost why the base didn’t turn out.
We are the base and this time we have public opinion squarely behind us. Blanche’s only hope that a Real FDR job’s bill passes and saves the economy either that or see can switch Republican like Joe Lieberman did in all but name you backed him too remember?
I’m sick of Democrats running away from their liberal base. Clinton pals around with dictators and Bernie Madoff-types on a regular basis, but Keith Olbermann makes him uncofmfortable? “Politicization”?!? What the hell is wrong with politicization, Bill?!?
I don’t see Republicans running scared from their base; they embrace it. (Okay, it hasn’t worked for them recently electorally, but still…) But Democratic politicians take every opportunity to run towards the center, which in this day and age means being nice to right-wing jerks while peeing on the liberals.
This is the time to stand up and be counted if a former President lacks the Stones to stand with us openly despite the polls saying we are the majority on this issue then what good is he? If he was twisting arms Blanche from his home state where Bill has plenty of influence should be writing her name with her toes by now.
What happened to Clinton’s “I feel your pain” mindset? I thought he would be happy for the poor and financially struggling folks of Arkansas to be able to obtain at least some cursory health care.
Guess I was wrong.
Bill Clinton is a big disappointment.
Bill did good and when he did I praised him, Blowjobs, WhiteWater hey the work he was doing out weighted all that, but standing against Healthcare hey you do bad I will call you out.
The idea that by dissing KO Bill is protecting him from Fox maybe true and sneaky and totally in character but if so the plan only works if we here today also act in character.
And personally I think Fox will attack KO anyway. Bill going however could set off the Tea Baggers with guns.
I bet Bill’s secret service detail has been getting threats.
Lincoln is right: These free clinics are not a sustainable way to provide health care; all the more reason for you to pass health-care legislation with a public option, you self-serving, money-hungry moron. And fuck Bill Clinton! When has he even NOT been political? What a disingenuous piece of shit!
As we watch the Tea Baggers collapse and Sarah’s book signers boo we are reminded that without a strong leader the Authoritarian Wolf Pack collapses as rivals try to fight the leader for dominance but there is no leader to fight see they all want the riches and power but none of the work.
The work keep the Pack/America safe that means research, ideas, putting others first ahead of yourself, a willingness to change your mind and admitt mistakes etc and yes Cracking Skulls when people like Blanche don’t get with the program for purely Selfish Reasons.
Bill lots of folk defended you today Twain, MsMolly etc yet notice nobody defended Blanche why nobody here could think of how Blanche could be standing on Principle to help her voters by her stand against healthcare.
The rest of the First World Countries have healthcare, cover everyone, pay less per person, live longer than us so there is no way Blanche thinks America has the best System..
Defend Blanche bring yourself down. You can’t bring Blanche up. We are not the radical Left we are the Majority view on this issue look at some polls.
Bill you have friends and defenders here but nobody here will defend you defending Blanche.
Everything Bill Clinton does is political. When he is stressed about something, he comes up with some pretty inane statements, like during the campaign last year. I think he really hurt Hillary’s chances. Though I voted for Obama, I felt sorry for Hillary that Bill was such a liability every time he gave an interview.
BTW, Bill, thanks for repealing the Glass-Steagall act and giving us NAFTA. How has that worked out for you and the country?
If Clinton hadn’t heard of the event–as he claimed–then how could he say it had turned political? The liar is back. Clinton was never a progressive–he gutted welfare for women and children, killed Glass-Steagall , and gave us NAFTA. He should crawl back under his desk.
Health care IS political!
Here’s the thing about Senator Lincoln – do we really think a more liberal Democrat will replace her in representing Arkansas in the Senate? Or will damaging her just bring in a Republican?
It’s a political calculus – and AK ain’t CT.
fuckno@1: I believe you’ve nailed it. :o)
But this isn’t just about Bill Clinton’s political “purity”, or the micron that’s left of it.
Olbermann and Maddow, much assisted by Jane and some others, are getting some traction as they drag Obama’s feet over to the fire, and they’re forcing influential democrats to shit or get off the pot on some core issues which Obama talked about in his campaign. It was red-meat stuff, but now, they want to give us political pablum.
Clearly, Bill is willing to help man the soup kitchen.
What else is new?
For instance, says Schenck, Senators Sam Brownback and Hillary Clinton, partners in prayer at Coe’s weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast. The Family is dedicated to spiritual war, not the intramural combat of party politics, Schenck explained. Coe doesn’t have a systematic theology, he has a vision of power. Not just to come, but as it exists. “They’re into living with what is,” said Schenck. “But you don’t want to alienate them, you don’t want to antagonize them. You need them as your friends. Even Hillary will need them. They keep a sort of cultural homeostasis in Washington. Washington right now is a town where if you’re going to be powerful, you need religion. That’s just the way it’s done.” (THE FAMILY p.260)
Do not be fooled by bias…
ALL Democrats are corporate shills! Isn’t that screamingly obvious?
What we need is a SECOND political party.
I agree with this analysis.
That is a silly assumption.
I can understand Bill’s reluctance to show up also.
That’s just stupid. Politics over health care was what inspired these free clinics. It was political before it ever began.
The idea that Olberman ‘politicized it’ and shouldn’t have ignores that it was the garbage going on in DC over health care that inspired the events and donations in the first place.
Even if he did not want to attend, he gave a really stupid answer for not wanting to make an appearance.
I don’t comment very often and usually NEVER at the end of a long string of comments but on this one I must shout my agreement with the first reply. FUCK Bill Clinton and his fear of those with less-many of the folk showing up aren’t even poor they just can’t get insurance due to pre-existing conditions. I can’t even stand to look at Clinton,Daddy Warbucks indeed,and his crime partner Carville married now to that viper working for Bush and Cheney. Mean, hateful folk and we must drive them out of public life.
Yeah for us the progressives!!!!!
I, too, can understand Bill’s reluctance.
God forbid that he should tarnish his immaculate legacy by lending what’s left of his political clout to something that, even considering it’s short duration, is directly beneficial to some poor and working class americans, and which may help gin up other such events.
What’s he get for a speaking engagement? Is it a quarter of a million dollars?
Maybe they didn’t offer him enough.
As people are obviously aware of on here, Bill is using his vestigial, semen-encrusted mojo, to get in a slam at Olbermann and his progressive ilk.
Which is about as principle-driven as George Bush laying a wreath at Mohandas Ghandi’s grave.
Toting the hod for the right wing is getting to be graven in stone for the job descriptions for both Clinton’s. Will Bubba get some face time in the Oval Office, or maybe an ambassador-at-large designation?
Let’s watch.
Bill Clinton is right: Olberman IS politicizing the event. That’s why HE should be there.
President Clinton you’re wrong to put a line in sand when the needs of the poor take precedence over whatever impression you may have as to the motivation of Mr. Olbermann.
Why are you doing this? What possible kind of benefit will it serve?
$1.7 million dollars. And growing. A fair chunk of which was KO’s.
Stepped up when all the rest of us could do is watch in horror.
Politics indeed. Just not Bill’s.
Truly small minded on BC’s part.
Another Corporate Dem supporting his fellow Corporate Dem. I wish a journalist would ask the former President whether he felt partially responsible for the mess this country is in with his signing of the repeal of Glass Steagall. Or whether his financial connections to Jackson Stephens (BCCI, WalMart etc) Lead to his disastrous decision to allow the WTI Toxic Waste Incinerator in East Liverpool OH located on the Ohio River adjacent to an elementary school. Or whether his financial connections to mining magnate, Frank Giustra, was responsible for undermining democracy by his “enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy” – a noted opponent of political discourse.
Yes, I voted for him twice, but it was one of the “better of two evils” votes I cast. I will no longer vote in this fashion, thus NEVER casting another vote for a corporate Dem.
I thank Keith Olbermann for his efforts!
One more thing, and it’s rather important:
We are in an emergency. Still.
For Obama to salvage something from the 8 year trainwreck of Bush and the republicans, is going to take some people who are strong-minded, and who are determined to reverse the lunacy of those 8 years. Influential democrats like Clinton (and he still has some…) don’t have the luxury of
“bi-partisan” or “neutral” posturing. That is bullshit.
We won’t lose the White House in 2012, or get absolutely hammered in the mid-terms next year, because Obama or the dems have been too “partisan”. We will lose those contests because they haven’t been partisan ENOUGH, to rally the support for real change that still exists in the voters.
Political capital and success is like a muscle; either you use it or it atrophies, as we are now seeing with Obama and our party.
The sad irony of what is currently happening, is that even George Bush was smart enough to understand that.
That is not the solution. It is the problem
Hopefully Clinton is ‘protesting too loudly’ and himself ‘playing politics’ with ‘a nod and a wink’: Playing ‘bad cop’ to Olberman’s ‘good cop’ in order to pressure that heartless & silly Senator from Arkansas.
However, considering Clintons’ ‘bottom feeding’ behavior during the last Presidential Primaries, who wants to gamble that Bill Clinton is not now being ‘up to no good’?
While working on voter protection in OH, I was offered free tickets to see the former president (who came to my home town to speak raise $ but the tickets weren’t moving). I refused, as not to embarrass the woman who offered the tickets, by posing questions of his past actions. I later heard many volunteers were offered free tickets to the event, but in the end a crowd of only 200 showed up to hear the former president.
At least Olberman is trying to get healthcare for those left out in the cold by the rich corporate whores who caused our financial meltdown and then went on to rape the TARP funds to save their sorry arses.
Why is it so difficult to give the people a basic 80/20 health and drug plan? Hillary Clinton was right on when she demanded that the Congress put all Americans on the Federal Healthplan that has over 250 choices.
After all, we the taxpayers pay for those VIP golden health plans!! Maybe if we put all the “Harlots(reps) on the Beast”(corps) on Medicare, they’ll change their tune real fast.
We’re supposed to be a Capitalist country yet those same whores who demanded it, sought Socialist bailouts. All that TARP money could have gone to pay for healthcare for every man, woman, and child, including illegals!!! And the rest of it could have been returned to the Social Security Trust fund, which the govt owes over $5 trillion dollars. Those worthless IOU’s(Treasury Bonds) will never be enough to repay Social Security.
You would think Clinton would seize the opportunity to show a former President among people who cannot afford healthcare by pushing Hillary’s original idea and promoting Universal Healthcare.
But as a rich man, he really could care less, he is wanting for nothing. We taxpayers continue to pay for his secret service protection and lifetime federal health care. So why hang with “those people” unless it can be to his advantage or get him publicity.
We American’s need to open our eyes and stop being distracted by all the tech toys the corporate whores throw at us. Not one Legislative Rep is clean. If any of them take lobbying money, they’re corrupt! Hence, the Harlot on the Beast metaphor.
We The People have the power to DEMAND those Bozos who don’t listen, to acutally listen!!! VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE!! The power of the people can get the “Change we can believe in.”
Obama’s only mistake was to get in bed with the corporate whores and protect their interests above the People’s. What the evil Far Right GOPer’s left him was just too overwhelming and he did what he had to do to save face.
As the President he should have done what the hell he wanted to but within the law! Obama needs to fire all his administration and start fresh with unbiased people without an agenda!
If we want healthcare in this country, then by God, get it done! Protest, protest, protest. We have freedom of Assembly!
Our reps are out of touch with reality and only focused on their politial career and agenda. Benjamin Franklin said it best, “TRICKS AND TREACHERY ARE THE PRACTICE OF FOOLS, THAT DON’T HAVE BRAINS ENOUGH TO BE HONEST.”
Oh, and Benjamin Franklin futher stated, “WE ARE ALL BORN IGNORANT, BUT ONE MUST WORK HARD TO REMAIN STUPID.”
TAKE BACK AMERICA BEFORE WE LOSE OUR RIGHTS! THANK GOD FOR OLBERMAN, THE “PROPHET” OF TRUTH” PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO HEAR.
You’re right! I doubt you’ll live long enough!
watergate?
Of course it’s political! But what Bill doesn’t like, this time is that it is the people taking up action against his team; corporate America. It is a move to show Blanche the misery that exists in her state and maybe force her to vote for cloture. It’s okay for her to say that it’s not a solution but then to block what could be a solution is beyond shameful.
BTW, it’s amazing that lightning didn’t strike Bill for his comments. Everything he does is political.
First of all, let’s get down to the logistics of this ‘event’. If Pres. Clinton were to attend, the Secret Service would have to be involved, clearing and checking out every individual he could possibly come in contact with. Added expense, hassle for those coming to get care. Is the intent to provide care or to create a media event? And as much as folks would like to have Bill cheering from the sidelines on this healthcare issue, his involvement could be a death blow. People forget how hard he and Hillary wanted to enact healthcare reform, with many of the same provisions that are in the proposals before Congress today. Do you want to have the Clinton haters adding fuel to their fires of hate and discontent for any and everything that Obama and a Democratic Congress hope to do? Hillary is not saying a word, she’s Secretary of State, but she is the subject matter expert on healthcare reform. Bill knows a great deal, knows how to work the process, but it could all backfire and he’s not interested in providing Obama an excuse for failure even if there’s a slim chance for success. Bill can’t win for lose when it comes to his activism on any issue or subject. What he does behind the scenes will be far more effective than any public appearance for the evening news.
you are right, Bill Clinton is a big cocksucker, he failed with his wife to introduce health care because he and that bitch were too tied to the insurance and health care industry and his sorry state is one of the poorest in the country and Bill would rather the ins. continue to make money off the poor
bingo kelly,however in rd.2 we should get rid of the likes of baucus,lincoln,landrieu,nelson,conrad,ross,reid just to name a few rd.2 2025
Dear Bill,
Stop saying stupid things.
Sincerely,
Everyone
You can blame Clinton for a lot, DADT, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, too many years of spinelessness on Bosnia and Kosovo, etc., but it was Reagan who killed the fairness doctrine.