Frustrated by the lack of action in Washington after a mandate for change in 2008, liberals and Democrats inside and outside of government have begun to question the Senate filibuster rule, which they attribute to the growing legislative paralysis.
The filibuster (the Dutch word for “pirate”), the process by which Senators can endlessly continue debate on any bill until being cut off by a cloture vote requiring a super-majority, has been part of the Senate rules since the establishment of the body. They used to be available to members of the House as well, until rule changes limited that ability. Senators have been threatening to end the filibuster rule since Henry Clay in 1841, and over time the rule has changed in scope. The cloture vote, allowing a super-majority to end debate, didn’t exist until 1917, and the votes needed to invoke cloture were lowered from 67 to 60 in 1975.
However, while the rules governing the filibuster have arguably loosened, the use of the filibuster has skyrocketed, turning the Senate into a body that needs 60 votes to move anything. This has especially become true since 2007, when the Democrats recaptured the majority. While news reports repeatedly warned Democrats while in the minority that they wouldn’t be able to hold filibusters for political reasons, since 2007 they have become commonplace, with no such media concern-trolling. In the 110th Congress, 70% of major bills were filibustered, as opposed to 8% in the 1960s. Political leaders just didn’t see the filibuster as an impediment a few decades ago.
One rule change, allowing for “dual tracking” of bills, which meant that a filibuster wouldn’t effectively end all pending legislation in the Senate, has really led to the normalizing of the 60-vote super-majority requirement, because it made the filibuster relatively pain-free. In addition, the ideological homogeneity, particularly of the Republican caucus, has made it easier for those members to want to hang together and wield the filibuster as a political tool to deny any changes to the status quo. This of course is easier for a conservative death cult of a party more interested in winning politically than governing.
As the obstructionism has worsened in the Senate – the four agonizing weeks it took for an unemployment insurance bill that eventually won 99-0 on the floor being an example – more and more observers are targeting the filibuster as the main impediment to change, and calling openly for its elimination. This includes CAP blogger Matthew Yglesias, who notes that the filibuster adds another layer of checks and balances onto an already checked and balanced process:
At the end of the day the main problem with a supermajority requirement has little to do with specific partisan or ideological concerns. One simply needs to note that bicameralism, plus an independently elected president, plus the congressional committee syste, plus a fairly robust system of federalism, plus a fairly robust institution of judicial review constitutes a political system that already has a ton of veto points. The main aggregate impact of all this piling-on of veto points upon veto points is to make it easier than it should be for interest groups to block broad-view reforms. Adding a supermajority requirement in the senate on to all of that exacerbates the existing pathologies of the system. It also allows each individual senator to drive a harder bargain in the horse-trading and log-rolling sweepstakes in a manner that rarely serves the public interest. Perhaps most important of all, it tends to undermine democratic accountability by blurring the relationship between election results and policy outcomes—what you want is for election winners to be held responsible for the results, but to do that you can’t let the losers play a major role in shaping policy. Similarly, you should want candidates to be held responsible for their ideas, not to embrace policies with a kind of wink-wink you’ll never get 60 votes for that sub rosa understanding that it’s not meant to be taken seriously.
In addition to people like Yglesias and Washington Post blogger Ezra Klein, the editorial board of The Nation has attacked the Senate rule, saying that the filibuster “is not what democracy looks like.” And Open Left’s Chris Bowers has argued persuasively that a failure to eliminate the filibuster will essentially end any possibility for Democratic governance after 2010, if Republicans pick up a couple Senate seats (which is likely).
More encouraging than bloggers and editorialists arguing for the end of the filibuster is the apparent movement from Democratic politicians. A Senate Democratic Chief of Staff wrote to Josh Marshall blaming the “anti-democratic rules of the Senate” for the difficulty in passing health care. Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL) has launched a website calling on Harry Reid to “stop Senate stalling” and change the rules, lowering the threshold for cloture to 55 (It’s arguable whether or not Reid can do that, as we’ll see later). Most encouraging is a Democratic member of the Senate, Rhode Island’s Sheldon Whitehouse, openly discussing obstructionism and the filibuster in New York City last week.
I just saw Senator Sheldon Whitehouse speak at a Brennan Center lecture at NYU Law School. Whitehouse is an excellent speaker, a committed defender of the Constitution, and a major badass.
Do you know what he told us? Out of thirty-six weeks in session this year, the United States Senate has had four weeks of working sessions. Four weeks. What happened to the other thirty-two weeks? They were sucked up by Republican filibusters. That’s right: Republican filibusters. Remember the people who hate the filibuster so much that they were willing to “Go nuclear”? Them. There have been ninety filibusters this year and there’s no end in sight. Ninety. I sat there wondering why the Democrats had not gotten this message out to American citizens (because you have to admit that “Republicans have obstructed the United States Senate’s work for thirty-two weeks this year” is a pretty compelling message) when Whitehouse told us that the Democrats have realized that they need to take that message to the people (and that at least some of them are discussing changing the filibuster rules).
How could the filibuster end? Changing Senate rules in the middle of a Congressional session would require 67 votes, under Senate rule 22. I don’t think even the most starry-eyed optimist would consider that to be a possibility. At the beginning of the next session of Congress, the Democrats could potentially change the rule as part of the organizing resolution, which also sets the committee chairs. However, Republicans could filibuster an organizing resolution that made such a change, before the filibuster was abolished.
However, some say that Harry Reid already has the ability to end the filibuster available to him. In the case of health care and most other policies that impact the budget, he could simply use budget reconciliation, a process whereby budget matters can be decided at the end of the year with an up or down vote. Reid’s staff say that reconciliation is rife with problems and would turn the health care bill, for example, into Swiss cheese, breaking it into parts that would rely on the Senate’s parliamentarian to pass muster. David Waldman notes that Senate Democrats could waive the so-called “Byrd rule” (Robert Byrd, by virtue of prominence and longevity, figures into this thing at key points) that mandates what items are germane for reconciliation, and pass whatever they want – but that would require 60 votes as well.
Another possibility is the so-called nuclear option, threatened by then-Majority Leader Bill Frist in 2005 for judicial nominations:
A point of order is a parliamentary motion used to remind the body of its written rules and established precedents, usually when a particular rule or precedent is not being followed. When a senator raises a point of order, the presiding officer of the Senate immediately rules on the validity of the point of order, but this ruling may be appealed and reversed by the whole Senate. Ordinarily, a point of order compels the Senate to follow its rules and precedents; however, the Senate may choose to vote down the point of order. When this occurs, a new precedent is established, and the old rule or precedent no longer governs Senate procedure. Similarly, it is possible to raise a point of order and state that the standard procedure of the Senate is actually different than the current rules and precedents suggest. If this point of order is sustained, a new precedent is established, and it controls Senate procedure thenceforth.
The nuclear option is used in response to a filibuster or other dilatory tactic. A senator makes a point of order calling for an immediate vote on the measure before the body, outlining what circumstances allow for this. The presiding officer of the Senate, usually the vice president of the United States or the president pro tempore, makes a parliamentary ruling upholding the senator’s point of order. The Constitution is cited at this point, since otherwise the presiding officer is bound by precedent. A supporter of the filibuster may challenge the ruling by asking, “Is the decision of the Chair to stand as the judgment of the Senate?” This is referred to as “appealing from the Chair.” An opponent of the filibuster will then move to table the appeal. As tabling is non-debatable, a vote is held immediately. A simple majority decides the issue. If the appeal is successfully tabled, then the presiding officer’s ruling that the filibuster is unconstitutional is thereby upheld. Thus a simple majority is able to cut off debate, and the Senate moves to a vote on the substantive issue under consideration. The effect of the nuclear option is not limited to the single question under consideration, as it would be in a cloture vote. Rather, the nuclear option effects a change in the operational rules of the Senate, so that the filibuster or dilatory tactic would thereafter be barred by the new precedent.
Democratic leaders have never threatened the nuclear option themselves, perhaps because of the old saw that they would want the filibuster in place themselves if the GOP regained power. More and more, liberals are seeing that the filibuster is an enemy of governance itself, not a tool that can be used successfully in the minority and should thus be sustained. Making it impossible to move anything in Congress without 60 Senate votes makes it incredibly difficult for the country to deal with its own challenges. It empowers the executive to aggrandize more and more power just to get anything done. It reduces accountability because the party put into power by the majority doesn’t get a chance to implement their agenda. And it’s both an anti-democratic and small-c conservative tactic that helps lock in the status quo.
Chris Bowers has further ideas on how to build a movement to end the filibuster. Those ideas are starting to get some traction, in the wake of unprecedented obstructionism and a realization that the country is suffering from it.



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‘Bout time they got rid of the tactics of obstruction.
And did you hear about this, David? Spitzer is coming out of his hiatus with both fists flying. Watch out, Timmie!
LINK.
The filibuster is too important to a one party (two wings) political system.
You’ll have a couple real and a score of faux progressive senators agitating against the rule largely for the sake of appearances. Is the filibuster going to be killed, – hell no?
So, why are we talking about it?
Because talk is cheap.
Chris Bowers:
“I have been thinking about this for a while, and I do actually have a realistic action plan to make it happen. It contains four steps:
1. Build an activist base. The first step is to build a base of progressive activists who support eliminating the filibuster. This is done by making the case about how the filibuster prevents progressive governance in America.”
Hello! Earth to Bowers: We are allegedly shipping 35,000 pieces of cannon fodder into Afghanistan!!! – Where is the “anti war” activist base, because if you cannot mobilize a base on an in your face war crimes, immoral issue of the century; – your chances of mobilizing against Senate’s arcane procedural rules is exactly ‘zero’.
Focus your minds guys!
If you want to end the filibuster do this. Mitch McConnell of Kentucky makes the decision for the GOPranos. Mitch McConnell gets campaign contributions of Brown Forman Corporation of Kentucky who distributes Jack Daniels Whiskey and Southern Comfort.
Follow the money and cut it off.
Brown-Forman, the maker of Jack Daniels Whiskey and
Southern Comfort gave Mitch McConnell money for his campaigns.
CALL Brown-Forman AT 502-585-1100 and tell the person who
answers to get the CEO to GET Mitch McConnell to execute no
Republican filibusters and enact the Employee free choice act
into law or you don’t buy Jack Daniel’s whiskey and Southern
Comfort anymore!
I hope those who read this will spread the word. At least you do something and not complain about how the Democratic Party marginalizes liberals.
Do well.
For more actions to take go to http://www.democratz.org
Sorry Dave
“The filibuster (the Dutch word for “pirate”)” isn’t.
It’s ‘piraat.’
And yes, I spent lots of time in Amsterdam.
Outside of the dutch issue, well written David. The Senate IS a non-democratic institution but fuckno probably has it right.
Our own Jon Walker has weighed in
and here as well
Excellent. Can progressives extract a pledge from Harry Reid to eliminate the filibuster in the 112th Congress in exchange for support for his re-election? Does Harry even care?
I got that from the Senate’s site: http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.htm
Maybe it’s an arcane Dutch word.
Or a misspelled one. After all, it took many more decades after the 1850s before there was universal agreement on how almost all words in the English language would be spelled, including those borrowed from other languages.
Since I have about had it up to here with turkeys, Republicans and filibusters, the Dutch etomology piqued my interest, particularly as a Dutch speaker who would have translated pirate as piraat, so I too looked this one up.
Looks more like a mix of franch and spanish to me
(http://www.answers.com/topic/filibuster)
Supermajority votes means rule by the minority.
Only when Republicans are in the minority. Dems let the opposition run things no matter how many seats they “theoretically” control.
Fair enough.
Bowers has been a huge disappointment throughout the healthcare debacle. He never allowed definition of a PO, much less ardently supported it.. as one example. He’s a triangulator, imo. “Pass anything and call it victory” comes to mind.
As for the filibuster, I appreciate what many folks are saying on this subject… particularly powwow.
However I think back no more than a year ago and wonder just how much different our conversation on this would be under a republican administration.
So often our frustration was because feckless Dems under Harry Reid wouldn’t do it.
No, our biggest problems continue to be the dreadful excuses for half the so called Democrats we have.
It’s not the filibuster that needs to be abolished – it’s the Senate itself that needs to be abolished.
Way OT: My morning paper carried a column by the criminal Yoo. I am mulling over LTE…Did anyone else see his opinion on Holder’s venue decision? Does anyone care what he thinks?
OT: If anyone needs a laugh, Happy Thanksgiving From Sarah (by way of Jesus’ General) might do the trick.
The dems simply lack the balls to do anything, like maybe actually forcing the rethugs to carry out their threat. The rethug says I am going to filibuster, the dems wet their pants and cry. God damn I am so totally pissed at the dems and their total lack of real leadership. And oh how I wish that we had someone like LBJ when he was the senate leader. Now there was someone who had control.
My real wish is that we throw out the republic and replace it with a Parliamentary system-which I note we have imposed in a modified way on Iraq and A’stan. I guess that our republic form of govt is not for export.
Rat, Please….spare us. How did she become so ubiquitous?
lemme nitpick this one: shouldn’t it be ‘to which they attribute’?
because it doesn’t quite make sense as it is – the filibuster rule is the cause of the paralysis, yes?
It would be really healthy for the country if the Dems in the Senate develop some spine and start calling the GOoPers (and the DINOs and Blue Dogs) out on this obstructionism.
So write the LTE. I do so almost every day. At the very least it lets me blow off steam and, big surprise, they print almost every one of them
It is satire, click it or not but please spare me.
it’s not the filibuster, it’s the dems. the filibuster is just the lastest bright shiny object supposed to make us think there is just one more thing they need for us to give them and then they will do what we elected them to do.
but it’s not going to be universal healthcare, and i bet most of you know that.
it’s going to be an attack on social security and medicare.
that’s what they are going to do if you take away the possibility of a progressive block in the senate from stopping them with a filibuster.
Whole card bingo.
not in the senate where a majority of senators can represent a minority of americans.
edited to delete. thought better of that comment. rather put the attention on my comment @24
Filibuster was derived from the Spanish filibustero meaning “freebooter”. This word is, indeed, a synonym for “pirate”, although there may have been slight differences in that it referred to individuals that raided towns and farms, rather than the more sea-based pirates. This term had evolved from the French word flibustier, which itself derived from the Dutch vrijbuiter (freebooter). The term buiter means “plunder” (or more broadly “goods”) and is the source of the American slang phrase “booty”.
do you think anyone else is considering this possibility? it’s not like obamaco hasn’t been telegraphing it.
From the authoritative OED
I do, I just think it’s not on the immediate list.
Been thinking about some posts earlier this year (by jane or Ian?) which pushed for increases in SS benefits as stimulus. And wish we were pushing that idea now in advance and continuing overton maneuvering against the relentless libertarians in both the D and R party.
Well, Harry could actually make the Republicans stand up and talk and read the phone book into the Congressional Record and make it a good old fashioned filibuster.
Rule 22 does allow for that at the Majority Leader’s discretion. So force the Rs to stand up before doG and the citizens of the US and show what they are doing directly. Force Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham and Orrin Hatch et al to get catheters so they don’t have to give up the floor to go the bathroom.
Then sell tickets to the spectacle.
Maybe one should spend a bit more time explaining the merits of the filibuster, if any, and not just its demerits when laying out an argumnet for abolishing it.
I frankly can not see a single merit in allowing the forestalling of legislation via the filibuster, regardless of which party has the majority.
To describe the passage of legislation in terms of party affiliation misses the point. Legislators are independent agents and laws should be passed by simple majority in every case. Party affiliation is a needless layer that is imposed on a process where the passage of laws should be determined on their merits by a plurality, regardless of party.
If the right to filibuster is that it protects a particular minority of states or group of people from being unjustly treated, this rationale is flawed. It is a case of a solution in search of a problem. Where has it ever been the case where the use of the filibuster was ever used for the redress of and unjust outcome.
This is not the same as saying that legislations are not often times unjust and injurious to the majority of the people, far from it. The point is precisely that the filibuster rule has no benefit in precluding unjust legislation from being passed if a majority of legislators want to pass these.
Filibustering should be voted out by a simple majority within the Senate because there is no theoretical or practical benefit from its use. It has never been used for a good end.
Given the timeline, 1851, the word pretty clearly entered the US political lexicon as a reference to the filibusters who took over banana republics, and thus only indirectly to the pirates of an earlier Carribean era. And, I think, this derivation remains a revealing way to look at the use of the filibuster in the current Senate. That we tolerate it is a mark of our descent into banana republic status, in that it is the means by which the democraticaly elected majority recuses itself of its duty to govern, in order to leave governance to the stringpullers with the money. So, of course, it is the natural tool of the Banana Republicans, while actual Democrats would never assert the procedural coup involved in its use in the direction of blocking our current regime of corporate rule by default, in order to assert the will of the people.
If Carville and I are right that we’re beginning a 30 or 40 year era of general Democratic dominance, there’s no time like the present to lower the number needed for cloture to 55.
Implement campaign finance reform, and remove the power of lobbyists, and Senatorial inflammation of the filibuster would be considerably reduced. Abuse of the filibuster is a symptom, not a disease in and of itself. Of course, it may surely be that in order to ever actually pass campaign finance reform, we’ll have to surgically remove the filibuster, at least temporarily.
Hapless Harry Reid could could make the Republics actually have to perform their filibusters.
Unfortunately, a few stern looks from Republics and Harry folds.
Harry Reid is working very hard to delay or prevent that era.
The nation won’t last 30 to 40 more years if we don’t excise the influence of corporations in Congress. Too many wealthy and powerful people see the federal government — its rules about things like dumping waste and employment hours and minimum wage and minimum age — as a frustrating limit on the profits of the corporations they own. If the United States went the way of the Soviet Union, there would be nothing to prevent mountaintop removal or dumping nuclear waste in Detroit, or paying Arkansas children $1 a day to sew tennis shoes.
We need to make bribing Congress illegal again, or or the U.S. will collapse into more easily managed component states before three or four decades are up.
Carville’s predicting a 30 or 40 year era of Democratic dominance, is he? Karl Rove said the same thing about a coming Republican era when he sought to realign government near the beginning of Bush’s first term.
How about a nascent movement to end the power of the Senate all together. A system that allows small, often corrupt, states to block the wishes of the majority of the people is a fatally flawed “system.” Let them be the U.S. version of the House of Lords.
So far I see no signs that Rove was wrong. The Republicans — and more importantly the corporatists, including the Blue Dogs — continue to dominate Congressional behavior, and they have a much more powerful system of corporate propaganda. Four years of Obama will simply provide them with something upon which to blame the next twenty years of America’s problems.
Smells like Mitt Romney to me: hollow out a productive enterprise, plunder the assets, layoff the people, outsource the jobs, move on to the next victim. Mitt is a privateer who likes being called a businessman.
i’m pretty sure that the idea of increasing SS benefits came from james galbraith. iirc, it was one of the things he said we should do as stimulus because so many people (retired or close to retirement) had lost so much in their 401ks and in the amount they could sell their homes for (and for a significant portion of the country, homes are the major mechanism of saving for retirement).
galbraith also had a bunch of other good ideas (well, i thought they were good). temporary suspension of payroll taxes, investment spending (r&d, infrastructure – but as a coherent industrial policy), and also iirc a jobs program.
galbraith is not summers, that is for sure.
p.s. re your:
right on! turn and pivot! (i’m pretty sure that one is from jane *g*)
The whole idea used to be that there was a price in personal health and political image for conducting a filibuster; Strom Thurmond will be forever enshrined in infamy for his anti-civil-rights reading of the phone book for 24 hours on the Senate floor. It’s the painless filibuster that’s absurd: let the old farts debate for however long they can hold out, before they run to the succor of aides and the arms of funders, then hold a vote and end the filibuster.
Rule 22′s sweeping-away of personal pain and political price is what’s wrong today; there’s no coherent way to illustrate for the ever-attention-challenged American people who is holding up the people’s agenda.
Make them talk, Harry, make them talk.
don’t nix it — fix the filibuster!
This is a really important topic and I hope that you do more posts on it.
Since it doesn’t appear that anyone put any data on this thread, allow me — because this has been increasingly on my mind in past weeks. From a ‘systems analysis’ perspective, someone needs to be asking much tougher questions about the current Senate filibuster/pirate rule.
Why?
Let’s not even talk about the Republicans.
Let’s just stick with the Dems.
Here is data showing that 4 Senators representing 4.06% of the US population, continue to drag health care conversations in this nation down the toilet.
I’ll put up a Seminal diary on this topic.
I hope that you will post on this topic again, so people realize how **tiny** the minorities are that are either:
(1) ‘negotiating’ millions of dollars for their states (a la Landrieu), or
(2) feeding their egos and preening (Lieberman), or
(3) enjoying their own ability to destroy everyone else’s chances at health care.
Because Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas represents the 32nd largest state in the nation, which has only .93% of the US population. So basically, the filibuster puts the power in the hands of an almost minute minority to be able to damage the lives of hundreds of millions.
This is absurdist.
K-k-k-karl Rove focused on controlling the Senate, and the Judiciary.
A quick look at Wikipedia’s demographics for the US page shows why: he never could get a majority of Americans to support BushCheney policies (except for 9-11), but he and the GOP were able to control US politics, climate change legislation, environmental standards, and other policies by winning Senate seats in small, conservative, rural states.
(And then, IMVHO, the GOP treated those loyal voters like yesterday’s discarded news until the next election.)
This is also the first year in a long time when Social Security payments won’t increase, since the baseline from the previous year (biggest increase ever, iirc) included the energy cost surge last largely been rung out of the economy with the crash. But there’s still a movement, in the Speaker’s office, for another one-time payment to recipients, since almost everyone’s costs have gone up despite flat inflation.
Social Security (and disability) enhancements are almost entirely stimulative; people in need spend them right away.
And, further, those small, conservative and rural states have a few quite inexpensive media markets and lack large numbers of engaged donors, making their Senators easily captured by outside forces whose interests they represent instead of their constituents.
Yes!!!!
Can anyone tell me why this isn’t happening?
And what Teddy said @ 45.
The Dems couldn’t BUY the publicity that would be provided by 24/7 coverage of Mitch and the ladies droning on in their filibuster. With this “silent filibuster,” there’s no price to be paid by the obstructinists. Hell, they aren’t even identified as such.
i think we should be deficit spending like mad — on useful stuff though (not bailing out the banksters – hey, could we hire a few
hundredthousand fbi white collar crime investigators to, um, investigate the banksters? that imo would be another good stimulus *g*)The problem is that the Senate in general, and Harry Reid in particular, is much more focused on protecting the interests of the Senate as a tribe than they are on doing their job as Senators. Reid seems to play out the “peacemaker” role of the alcoholic/dysfunctional family – maintain equanimity within the family, and shield the family from outside scrutiny or criticism, regardless of the actual merits of the family itself. The aristocracy is very insular and self-protective, and the Senate is certainly part of the aristocracy. So it’s more important for Harry Reid not to annoy his Senate colleagues than it is for him to attend to the needs of the unwashed rabble that comprise the nation outside the halls of Congress.
when i write “fix the filibuster” this is what i mean. make it explicit and not optional.
Harry Reid is the Majority Leader.
I’m not sure if this is true, but I heard something to the effect that you need to keep the 60 senators there to vote for cloture (hence cots for the democrats) but you only need one guy talking, and that senator can be relieved by passing it off to another speaker. If this is part of the problem, perhaps the rule could be reversed, and require 40 votes to be in house to continue a filibuster if a vote for cloture is called (like at 4am some morning).
Yeah but that one guy has to talk all the time and cannot yield the floor (except maybe for a question and even then has to stay on the floor). Once the talker gives out, the filibuster ends IIRC (again think Strom Thurmond holding the floor for over 24 hours straight filibustering civil rights legislation)
Error. Error. Error.
Why should you need anything more than 50% plus one to change the rule? Otherwise it’s a recursive problem… And note that the last time the rule was change it was by majority vote. (I haven’t checked, but don’t you think that when the rule was first introduced it must also have been by majority vote?)
See this essay for more details:
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-kenney5-2009mar05,0,4956902,print.story
Portapotties in the front of the chamber. Minimal privacy screening. Bring your own food and water, because we aren’t going to provide any.
Heck yes, make them do a real filibuster!
holy cow! it’s george kenny of electric politics! (and also a bunch of other stuff).
i’m a huge fan. and try to never miss even one of your podcasts, definitely the best on the web!
but boy do i disagree with you here (love your idea about increasing the size of the house of representatives though). you wrote:
the problem isn’t the filibuster, the problem is that word “indefinitely.” a filibuster that provided a temporary delay for real debate, something to bring public attention to an important issue, need not block anything.
fix the filibuster, don’t nix it.
p.s. on another topic, dear friends, don’t miss this recent interview george did with marshall auerback: New Deal Reprise. great interview! at marshall’s recommendation, i’m now reading randy wray’s book, understanding modern money. (george, would you consider interviewing randy about his labor buffer stock proposal for full employment and price stability? – awesome, and i think you would like it!).
another p.s.
old post from kagro x explaining, among other things, changing senate rules by majority via organizing resolution at the beginning of new congress: Notes on the Nuclear Option — Part XXII
Such hypocritical bullshit. I noticed none of these people were calling for an end to the filibuster when Bush’s judicial nominees were being block by unprecedented judicial filibusters and these people didn’t complain about the filibuster when Bush tried to reform Social Security. The move to end the filibuster will never gain traction because it is so blatantly partisan and so ridiculously hypocritical that it is hard to listen to a Democrat whine about it without laughing at them.
“More and more, liberals are seeing that the filibuster is an enemy of governance itself…”
Do you really think anyone who can think for himself actually believes the above statement? Liberals would want it reinstated as soon as the GOP regained power. It would be reminiscent of the Democrats in Massachusetts who changed the law to prevent Mitt Romney from appointing a Senator should Teddy “Manslaughter” Kennedy have died while Romney was governor. But when a Dem governor was in office, they changed the law back to what it was solely for the benefit of the Democratic Party.
Unbelievably shortsighted and purposefully forgetful commentary I have seen here in a long time.
Please detail if you will, a list of BushCo inspired legislation that Democrats staled by filibuster.
War approps? Stimulus? Medicare part fuck?
Links would be good, too.
Ah don’t waste your time Newt. This cat drops in the occasional turd, never with any actual evidence of his claims but a nice group of insults for all the “lib’s hypocrisy” that he can’t document.
Perhaps Bluetoe doesn’t recall how many times the House has gone off on some wild tangent (jingoist or whatever) and passed some gawdawful piece of crap bill, and it’s only been the “more deliberative” Senate that’s been able to be the more cool-headed voice. It’s bad enough as it is, but removing the effective power of the Senate (through some bizarre Constitutional amendment process… can you imagine how whack that would get?) ain’t gonna help. Oddly enough, the Founding Fathers really did get some of this stuff right. But there’s no constitutional provision for the filibuster. It’s just a rule.
I admit to a certain ‘impulsivity’…
The Senate is not a democratic institution. The filibuster allows senators from a majority of the population but minority of states to stop legislation supported by senators representing a majority of states but minority of population.
They should be made to hold the floor rather than just threaten a filibuster.
But this disappointing bill is the best argument for a filibuster of 60.
dday (and Jon Walker) can, I hope, Mauimom, given their (carefully-considered, I trust) positions advocating the elimination of the ability to (threaten to) filibuster. Ending the filibuster (the ability to hold the floor and debate), not just ending cloture votes so as to try to reduce the frequency of (threatened) filibusters, as Rep. Grayson’s lower 55-vote-cloture-majority rule change might do (or might not – if five Democratic Caucus members get to ‘walk’ on procedural votes, why shouldn’t the others?).
But let me give it a try, in the absence of answers from them.
What is commonly meant, and understood, by the term “filibuster” is one Senator (possibly aided by some colleagues from time to time) holding the Senate floor without yielding, until his strength gives out (the Senate record for one man is 24 hours), thereby exercising his right to “debate,” though generally only in a desperate attempt to obstruct further action on a piece of legislation. One side effect, or probably perceived advantage, of this filibuster tactic, is to prevent any other business of the Senate from proceeding, thereby ideally (in the eyes of the Senator filibustering) allowing him to gain leverage (especially if recess or other must-pass legislation is pending) to extract concessions from the majority on the filibustered legislation/nomination before he has to cede the floor. But if nothing else, the Senator is likely to gain attention for his cause with this extraordinary tactic and voluntary undertaking of physical endurance. [See my comments in Jon Walker's threads linked by cbl2 @ 7 for more on the everyday ability to "object," and thus delay, that every Senator holds - a tactic which falls far below this definition of a filibuster, but which is also based on the unlimited-debate structure of the Senate.]
Your question asks why we haven’t seen that sort of filibuster, not just used to excess, but even used at all, in a long time. And yet, we’re told the Senate is being held hostage by the “filibuster.” So what’s going on?
A couple of things: Cloture-Related Delays coupled with The Uncalled Bluff.
1. “Cloture” means the ability of 16 Senators to (immediately) move to contain a filibuster to a maximum of about 48 hours if 60 colleagues agree – something that was not possible before 1917. The majority leader files the cloture motion, mid-filibuster, with 16 signatures, the Senate must wait one calendar day, and then 60 colleagues voting Aye – again mid-filibuster – ends the filibuster, even if the Senator filibustering is still holding the floor.
Except: 30 more hours of debate must transpire, post-cloture before the debate can come to an end, unless those hours are waived by unanimous consent. In that post-cloture time, unless waived by UC, no other Senate legislation can be considered, again unless waived by UC, but one Senator can not hold the floor for more than an hour, without receiving time from his colleagues. Generally, therefore, unanimous consent is usually granted for other Senate business to be conducted during post-cloture debate, even if the 30 hours themselves are not waived. [These post-cloture delays - which also apply to amendments and to final passage cloture votes - can potentially delay a vote for a maximum of 11 days of floor consideration, or 15 days after the motion to proceed was agreed to, under Rule 22. This process is what Chris Dodd used to good effect to delay and obstruct final passage of the FAA telecom immunity provision last year by a week or two, without ever conducting an old-fashioned filibuster.]
So voting for “cloture” in effect is voting to “move the question” – which generally means you think there has been enough full and fair floor (as opposed to committee) debate on a measure (and its amendments) or a nomination. And that the extraordinary move to (actually) filibuster should be ignored and overriden in the best interests of the nation (if the actual filibuster is still ongoing by the time of the cloture vote).
It was a principled move by minority Senate Republicans to try to prevent our entry into WWI, that brought the cloture motion (then needing 67 votes) into existence, in 1917, via Rule 22, in order to ensure that Congress granted Woodrow Wilson’s wish to send American Armed Forces into the insane horrors of WWI… And cloture was first actually exercised to overcome a filibuster of the horribly-misguided Treaty of Versailles in 1919. Not exactly a stellar beginning.
2. The Uncalled Bluff is the Senate Majority Leader equating a mere threat to filibuster with an actual floor filibuster, and quickly ceding to demands motivating the threat – including keeping legislation off the floor – so as to prevent an actual filibuster of at least 48 hours in length, including nights and weekends (until a cloture motion can be passed). [Because, you understand, the modern Senate is about "comity" not about principles...]
Consider, except for the demands on staff, how easy it would be, and have been, for Harry Reid to schedule every weekend as “filibuster” weekend for Republicans who claim they want to filibuster a measure. The rest of the Senate, except one or two monitors, goes home as usual, returning on Monday to vote for cloture, while the Republican is forced – if his threat turns out to be genuine – to hold the floor over the weekend and late at night to actually filibuster the measure in question – all to no avail, if cloture succeeds on Monday anyway.
Problem basically solved, if problem actually engaged (though the cloture-related delays would remain, of course).
In fact, using up much of the now-idle Senate floor time with actual Republican filibusters would probably hardly put a serious dent in the progress of legislation. Most of the idling floor time is being spent working out deals off-floor, in private, as the Senate has become increasingly allergic to real public debate. [Ever think that one reason Reid avoids actual Republican filibusters is because he's afraid they just might have a point, and Americans would get it if they spent two days on the floor talking without engagement by Democrats?]
Anyone who understands how completely undemocratic floor action in the House has become, and wants to emulate that in the Senate – or who, like Matthew Yglesias, completely overlooks and dismisses the threat posed by the years-long erasure of the (intended) separation of powers due to top-down control of the Parties in Congress by the White House, with the blessing of House and Senate leadership – is, to my mind, the genuine “radical” Ezra Klein dismissively writes of here:
If you’re truly opposed to “stealth” legislative process, you should be doing everything in your power to expand floor debate in both the House and Senate, rather than trying to shut down the last bastion of desperate minority line-holding that’s left in our Party-strangled, corruptly-financed federal legislature.
Here’s a similar summary I wrote during the FAA debate, to demonstrate how Chris Dodd was using the cloture rules to his advantage (despite being steamrolled-over at every opportunity by Harry Reid):
http://www.rules.senate.gov/senaterules/rule22.php
The greatest impediment to legislation in the U.S. Congress today is the rule in the Senate requiring a 3/5 vote for cloture (closure of debate). Cloture serves to end a particular filibuster.
Filibusters initially became popular in the 1850s. They were invoked to allow legislators to speak as long as they wished on a given topic.
Originally in the U.S. Congress, both representatives and senators filibustered. Initially, all U.S. Congressmen could speak interminably about any bill. After the House of Representatives grew significantly, it revised its rules to limit debate, thus ending the era of filibustering in that chamber.
At the behest of President Woodrow Wilson, the Senate in 1917 adopted a rule (Rule 22) that served to end any particular filibuster when ⅔ of its members voted to do so. However, getting 67 of 100 senators to agree on contentious matters was seldom achieved. Regrettably, filibusters by Southern senators precluded the passage of civil-rights and anti-lynching legislation for nearly a century. In 1975, the Senate opted to reduce the number of votes required for cloture from ⅔ to 3/5.
The filibuster is an anachronism. This extraconstitutional, though not unconstitutional, practice, which was initiated to permit thorough debate on issues, is today exercised in the absence of debate. Since it is no longer fulfilling its raison d’etre, it ought to be abolished.
Present Senate rules prevent the Senate from revising the rule on filibusters without a ⅔ affirmative vote. However, Ronald D. Rotunda, professor of law at Chapman University School of Law and expert on constitutional law, asserts that this rule “should not bind the present Senate any more than a statute that says that it cannot be repealed until 67 percent of the Senate votes to repeal the statute. An earlier Senate cannot bind a present Senate on this issue…For purposes of deciding which rules to follow, the Senate starts anew every two years.”
Some people argue that the Senate cannot at the beginning of a session, abolish rules that have required a supermajority to alter because the Senate is a continuing body. At the commencement of any session, 1/3 of its members have been newly elected and 2/3 of its members have been previously elected.
David Waldman of Daily Kos wrote the following.
“How do (senators) reconcile their constitutional prerogative to set their own rules of procedure (where the Constitution makes no mention of their having to do so by a supermajority) with the concept of a continuing body? By precedent, the Senate has recognized a brief window of opportunity for changing the rules by majority vote at the beginning of a new Congress, before they’ve taken any action that would indicate that they were acceding to the continuance of the existing rules. That’s the window Byrd used in 1975.”
Wrong.
When Senate Majority Leader Bill Fritz (Republican from Tennessee) threatened to “go nuclear” some years ago, I applauded.
We’re truly seeing a most mechanistic display of situational ethics.