A Research 2000/Daily Kos poll released on Friday gives the most direct evidence that Democrats face major trouble in the midterm elections because their base is completely unmotivated to vote.
Obama remains in positive territory at 53% approval in the poll, and both the Democratic Party and Democratic leaders outpoll their Republican counterparts. On the generic ballot test, Democrats still lead by 5 points, 37-32. However, the key statistic in the poll can be found here:
But a bigger indicator of peril comes from a new survey question added the DK tracking poll for the first time this week. The poll now includes a rather simple indicator of baseline voter enthusiasm for the year 2010. The question offered to respondents is a simple question about their intentions for 2010:
QUESTION: In the 2010 Congressional elections will you definitely vote, probably vote, not likely vote, or definitely will not vote?
The results were, to put it mildly, shocking:
Voter Intensity: Definitely + Probably Voting/Not Likely + Not Voting
Republican Voters: 81/14
Independent Voters: 65/23
DEMOCRATIC VOTERS: 56/40Two in five Democratic voters either consider themselves unlikely to vote at this point in time, or have already made the firm decision to remove themselves from the 2010 electorate pool. Indeed, Democrats were three times more likely to say that they will “definitely not vote” in 2010 than are Republicans.
These numbers would probably be enough to destroy Democratic hopes in swing district and close Senate seats throughout the country. And the reasons are pretty clear; Democrats have simply not been given enough of a reason to come out and vote yet. The economy is still struggling, health care is moving at a glacial pace (and it’s one of the few major issues moving), the Obama Administration has alienated liberals on various key parts of the agenda, and there’s a persistent feeling that Wall Street has been bailed out at the expense of ordinary Americans.
You can account for some of this by citing the historic obstructionism of the GOP and the major hole in which the Administration found themselves on January 20, 2009. But you can’t account for all of it, and even if you could, it wouldn’t change the basic dynamic – the right has been worked into a frenzy hell-bent on defeating the man they are told is the second coming of Hitler, while the left is waiting for that long-promised “change” they can believe in.
Steve Benen writes:
It’s obviously not too late, and a great deal can happen over the next 10 or so months. What’s more, the solution isn’t exactly a mystery — if Dems do what they were elected to do, they’ll be pleased with the results. I keep thinking about something Rep. Gerald Connolly (D-Va.) said earlier this month: “We must deliver. I need to give Democrats something to be excited about.”
Finish health care. Pass a jobs bill. Finish the climate bill. Re-regulate the financial industry. Finish the education bill. Pick up immigration reform. Repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” It’s ambitious, but a Democratic Congress and a Democratic president can prove to the country that they know how to tackle the issues that matter and know how to get things done.
Until some tangible progress occurs, and on things that matter and not “entitlement reform” or some triangulating issue that will only piss off the base further, that enthusiasm gap will only expand heading into next November.


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All you have to do is wind my democratic party up and it points in 17 fucking directions. Why in the hell can’t they get organized and get something done? Stupid shits.
God forbid a Dem run on a record of acheivement, or here in my home state of California (with an insane 2/3 majority requirement to do anything), a clearly defined vision of what Dems stand for – along with good framing. Until the legislative class ditch the corporate consultant “handler” class its going to be a bloodbath of a mid-term – oh, and it will be well deserved.
Steve Benen’s list is pretty good. I would add to it: Prosecute a Bush-era malefactor or two, impeach Jay Bybee, create real lasting jobs, creat more jobs, get the banks to start mortgage reform to keep people in their homes, jail a few banksters, clawback some bankster bonuses.
In other words, bite the hand that feeds, Barack.
Also: Fire Tim and Larry.
No Rahm around would also be good.
Thanks so much for highlighting that poll, David. As you know, I was highly alarmed when I first saw it. Still am.
I suspect the reality is even worse than these numbers suggest. “Slightly better than the alternative” is not a message that makes most people want to go out and vote.
here’s the bipartisan tag line for 2010 / 2012:
no we won’t / be fooled again
1. Create a new prescription drug benefit in Medicare Part B with only the Part B monthly premium, with only the Part B yearly deductible, no coverage gap, no late sign up penalty, and cover 80 percent of all generic and patented medications and remove the insurance companies and drug companies from administering this benefit. Demand it at http://bit.ly/drug_benefit
2. Make HR676 the strong public option. Demand this at http://bit.ly/public_option.
See other demands for social justice at http://www.democratz.org
As for me, I will go to the polls in 2010 and 2012 and only vote for Dog Catcher.
Oh and DAMN the RepubliKLAN Party and their acolyte conservatives in the Democratic party.
Oh and shame on centrists and independents if you put the party of Herbert Hoover and J Edgar Hoover back in Power.
create the drug benefit in Medicare part B, not D.
Not to say that the Dems need to take their mandate and keep moving. But having the responsibility and mess of the last eight years in your lap is not an easy task.
Unnecessary wars, massive tax cats for fat cats, undermining of the DOJ, torture, did I say torture, tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths and injuries (although you would never know when it comes to the MSM) Tough to hold your head above the water with this massive undertow.
If this pouting is real, and extends beyond primary, Dems are idiots!
The alternative = congress full of mindless, twittering middle school bullies who think they’re still on the playground passing dirty notes behind teach’s back.
FGS, people!?!
sick talk. just sick. grow up and deal with what life throws at you.
Yes. Thank you Leen. Reality rears its ugly head. But we need to deal with it, not invent new demons… harumph.
Agree with you and Leen.
Woe is me and pissin’ and moanin’ gets nowhere.
Happy Birthday, my good man. ;->
I am not satisfied that we have made enough progress as we should have but to think that we would be better off with Mitch McConnell heading the senate is ludicrous. Gosh we could have Imhoff heading the senate committee dealing with climate change. Our job is to push, push then push some more.
You can account for some of this by citing the historic obstructionism of the GOP.
Why did Obama walk into the buzzsaw? The Republican strategy first appeared in about 1992. But Obama spent months kissing Olympia Snowe’s ass, and got nothing for it whatsoever.
The worst-case explanation for Obama’s behavior is pretty awful: that his primarily goal is to force “entitlement reform” and the like on the Democratic base.
I’m not voting for a candidate just because that candidate is a Democrat. I won’t do it. Let Big Rahm and Obama worry about who has the majority in Congress. Let them change their tune, quit villifying and ignoring Progressives as they’ve done all year, and most of all, let them start acting like Democrats instead of Republicans. It’s up to them. Let’s see some Progressive legislation pass, instead of the moderate-to-Conservative-to-right-wing crap they’ve been advocating. Otherwise, they can kiss my ass. I’ll be writing in votes if no one decent is on the ballot.
And they SO SO VERY MUCH deserve it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, Adie, the voters are wrong. Bad, bad, voters.
This characteristic Dem approach to the electorate has historically been strangely unsuccessful. I have no idea why.
Well said.
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O usurped a buncha strong Ds from senate & governors for his cabinet, many of which will switch parties in 2010.
We need bold action we need jobs now. If that means stop both wars now fine! We can’t win wars if we are broke. If you want us to be motivated give us a win we can brag about back home.
They are afraid of engaging the popular voters desires. They talk and appeal to the mind. They do not engage the Emotional lizard brain. The GOP only does the lizard hate, fear etc none of the better emotions.
Combine our ideas with some popular appeal a real healthcare bill, a FDR sized job stimulus and we motivate our voters.
Right now the Corporate Dems prevent anything with popular appeal from passing.
We should be pushing forward rather than digging in our heels. Encourage Halter to primary Lincoln in Arkansas. There are races in Many states where gains can be made. McCain is vulnerable. As soon as 2010 is history we need to prepare to take on Liarman, Nelson, and several others.
Clear off that layer of his multi-dimensional chess game and declare it a loss.
-G
this all has to get done by July or the bad meme will be written in stone.
republican populism is fake, but democratic elitism is real.
(bet you know where i got that idea)
Agreed and if unemployment gets worse after Christmas season hires are let go we could lose the House and Senate. Nancy and Harry will likely get voted out then their Blue Dog support will likely be the first to lose that leaves the Progressives.
I figure then Obama will do a Clinton bypass the Dems and pass bills with GOP support. The problem is we can’t afford anymore GOP economic or war ideas.
anyone want a wave invite? could make for a cool colab tool.
tw3k dot net at gmail dot com
Selise I disagree define elite Rahm? the guy is a bully and moron who only thinks he’s Machiavelli. Obama and 13 dimensional chess so far I am not seeing the skill to play checkers.
Us? the pajama wearing cheetos eaters? If so I think we need a new press agent:)
Whats a wave invite?
kinda like e-mail but real time or async.
http://wave.google.com
AMEN! Though I will vote Democratic and I guess I am one of the few Democratic voters left, still, I can understand the frustration of the formerly motivated voters, as I am one myself.
I do not think hiring the people who made the banking problems to fix it was wise.
I think better support of health care was and should be in the cards
Rahm Emmanuel is the Devil and worried me from the beginning because I have been watching him for years and saw he was a corporate whore.
Sending more troops into Afganistan I am not sure about, but let’s say if we value history lessons, it is, “where superpowers go to die …” as was said somewhere, and that worries me a lot. More deaths of our kids, more misery for the people supporting a corrupt governemnt, more starvation and rape. Yeah. That sounds like more of the same problem all right.
We might also consider the billions put into a drug war that is only killing more people. If we cannot stop the poppy fields in Afghanistan to flourish for instance, why not embrace this money-making venture for our own production of opioids we already have legally here, this could be a beginning. Like a comedian said, “If we can’t out pimp terrorists, how about if we out-thug them by instilling some import taxes and creating industries here who make things, not just import them?”
Over 1/2 of our kids will at one time or another experience the use of food stamps for their family food source. Poverty here is on the rise. BAD! There is an old saying to, “clean up your own house before you tell someone else how to clean up theirs …” Poverty for our own citizens is something should be considered here first imo.
Our economy needs some major work ~ and *not* to make some corporate CEO richer, but put jobs in our communities that bring in a livable wage. Our foreign policies are vastly improving, but why not take care of our own country instead?
These are just a few things I see, there is more. It seems that Obama and Democrats are just more of the same ol’ same ol’ and less of any change. Obama is our leader and needs to lead. Democrats need to get some back bone and stand up for the people, not the corporations and not follow corporate whores who will only dig us all in to deeper graves. From the pols it appears we Americans are not so “stooopid” as many would like us to believe. Many see the writing on the wall and saying “it is just more of the same …” and they gave up, thanks to weak and selfish policies from our elected officials…
My 2 cents, Cat In Settle
You know he’s not going to do it. Taibbi has a good post up. And he talks about the Hamilton Project. You know only one Senator showed up at the Hamilton Project launch, right?
http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/000867.html
nah, i meant the dem’s (which may or may not include us) view of voters.
IMHO, the Dems deserve whatever happens at the polls in 2010 and 2012. There has been no “bold” anything unless one counts the “bold” disregard for the dems platform. Nor has there been any “audacity” in making change happen. Unless one looks to and counts the audacious way all the campaign promises have been artfully swept aside. I have never voted for any candidate based on party and I am unlikely to start now. The voters who peeled themselves off the couch, away from work, or out of the kitchen to cast a vote for the Dems last fall, have no measurable change to inspire them to do the same again. No one can say they have more money, or that they can acquire better health care. Nor can they point to the righting of wrongs perpetrated by the former administration, or Wall Street. Without measurable change that effects the voters in a positive way, voters will probably stay home. Why bother?
I wonder how Rahm will address this reality stab at his grand vision? All those Blue Dogs he recruited all the pushing for moderation on the issues well I expect his Blue Dogs in Moderate districts will be the first to go and with them goes his reputation.
The leadership of the Democratic party have become little more than corporate panderers, turning themselves into a version of GOP lite. Progressives to them are expendible objects blocking people like Rahm and others from appeasing their Beltway pals and their march toward ascendency in their phony world. They take a good line through their high flying platitudes and good intentions but when time comes for action, develop amnesia.
It’s just more proof that the Dems (with some exceptions) and Beltway society are becoming more and more disconnected from the real will of Americans and serving their own interests first at our expense. If anyone were to start a credible third party with viable candidates, I would seriously consider them. I have no more time to be marginalized when our country’s needs are so urgent.
yeah. so why the cheer leading to get rid of (not just fixing, getting rid of) the filibuster at this precise moment in history? because there’s nothing more important to be working on than helping obamaco with their “entitlement reform” plans?
i have no idea what you just wrote, but i’m going to use it as an excuse anyway to send you an email to say “howdy!”
dump the health care bill — it is beyond repair… Dems should get on the jobs, jobs, jobs theme.
It’s the economy, stupid.
In response to lefttown @ 16 (show text)
AMEN! Though I will vote Democratic and I guess I am one of the few Democratic voters left, still, I can understand the frustration of the formerly motivated voters, as I am one myself.
I do not think hiring the people who made the banking problems to fix it was wise. I think better support of health care was and should be in the cards
Rahm Emmanuel is the Devil and worried me from the beginning because I have been watching him for years and saw he was a corporate whore. Sending more troops into Afganistan I am not sure about, but let’s say if we value history lessons, it is, “where superpowers go to die …” as was said somewhere, and that worries me a lot. More deaths of our kids, more misery for the people supporting a corrupt government, more starvation and rape. Yeah. That sounds like more of the same problem all right.
We might also consider the billions put into a drug war that is only killing more people. If we cannot stop the poppy fields in Afghanistan to flourish for instance, why not embrace this money-making venture for our own production of opioids we already have legally here, this could be a beginning. Like a comedian said, “If we can’t out pimp terrorists, how about if we out-thug them by instilling some import taxes and creating industries here who make things, not just import them?”
Over 1/2 of our kids will at one time or another experience the use of food stamps for their family food source. Poverty here is on the rise. BAD! There is an old saying to, “clean up your own house before you tell someone else how to clean up theirs …” Poverty for our own citizens is something should be considered here first imo. Our economy needs some major work ~ and *not* to make some corporate CEO richer, but put jobs in our communities that bring in a livable wage. Our foreign policies are vastly improving, but why not take care of our own country instead? These are just a few things I see, there is more.
It seems that Obama and Democrats are just more of the same ol’ same ol’ and less of any change. Obama is our leader and needs to lead. Democrats need to get some back bone and stand up for the people, not the corporations and not follow corporate whores who will only dig us all in to deeper graves. From the pols it appears we Americans are not so “stooopid” as many would like us to believe. Many see the writing on the wall and saying “it is just more of the same …” and they gave up, thanks to weak and selfish policies from our elected officials… My 2 cents, Cat In Settle
My 2 cents, Cat In Seattle
lol :)
Gotcha Patricians think we are all uneducated Rubes who must be humored. Thing is our Elite is senile and insane between Chicago School Economics, Bank Bailouts, Katrina, 2 wars we can’t win but we still fight I’m thinking the Dems talk the talk but only humor us.
Thing is we are right about most everything.
Choice of R or D Party becoming more and more a non choice.
It would be useful to see some truth in branding of political parties.
Can we have some truthfully tagged party choices?
>> Got mine! Screw you! Party
>> Corporatist Party
>> Militarism Party
>> Christian Dominance Party
>> Anti Mexican Party
>> Wealth Trickle Up Party
>> K Street Party
>> Wall Street Party
>> The Bible Says Party
>> The Vote R or D Will Not Matter Party
>> The UnRule of Law Party
>> The Pentagon/CIA Nation Party
>> The Vested Interests Party
…well you must get the drift by now. This R or D Party pick one is not working. Barack Obama was selling what he is not delivering and the D Party run Congress seems more concerned about keeping the Rs happy when it should be plain to see the Rs stand for bad government or no government.
Where does that take the D Party again?
It’s what we’ve been dealing with for years, and the politicians haven’t figured out yet that we’re tired of it.
Run to the middle or the right, get run out of office.
I’ve misplaced my collection of a thousand tiny violins at the moment… but I know I will be playing them all between two fingers come next election day.. rather than voting for any lousy or “centrist” Dems.
Hoo boy, while I am glad there is an ‘edit’ now on this forum, it is sure something ya gotta learn how to use ~ sorry for the double post …
Cat In Seattle
fwiw, my take is that the elites in deecee think we all (d and r voters and non-voters alike) are rubes. maybe we are for letting them divide us. but otherwise, i put my faith the regular people regardless of their party affiliation far far more than i do anyone in deecee.
amen. who said we’re satisfied? Not me. But there’s a deep chasm/spasm tw’ “not satisfied” and willingly jumping off a cliff.
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?section=library&page=drury_24_4
I’m thinking Rahm and the Blue Dogs are Straussian Neocons. Only Elites would think war strengthens a society look what happened to Sparta.
I will not vote for my Democratic senator because she voted for the TARP.
She also voted to confirm Tim Geithner.
She is a clueless dinosaur.
heh. yer not the 1st. u won’t be the last. ;->
i don’t believe in pulling a cat’s claws, but i see nothing wrong with a good trim now & again. Dear Mr. President……
Has anyone read Matt Taibbi’s article in the most recent Rolling Stone “Obama’s Wall Street Sellout”. It will deepen your depression but also help you realize that everything we do here is for not. The Dem/Rep/Corp class is so entrenched that fixing the D’s is not only unrealistic but futile. If you want to call yourselves progressives, then you have to forget about the D’s. We need to begin a real progressive party, independent of the current power class and let the natural symbiotics of the Dem/Rep/Corp make one party instead of letting them create the illusion that there are two party’s with differing agendas. We are waistng our time and energy.
In the 2006 mid-terms and 2008 Presidential elections, with two broken legs I would’ve drug my broken body across broken glass to pull the lever. But now, not so much. Just. Not. Feelin’. It.
What I know over the years is this: Regan became Pres. and they closed state hospitals and now we have psychologically sick people out on the streets who cannot care for themselves — hence homelessness, and some of them are dangerous and comit murderous acts — but GOP thinks it is better that they “rome” the streets, get food from garbage cans, etc. What I know is that whenver Dems try to raise the minimum wage to a somewhat “living wage, GOP says NO! When dems want cleaner air and water, and sewers and bridges repaired, GOP says No. When dems want to extend even unemployment benefits in these very hard economic times, GOP says No! For those who truly care about America, they should think long and hard before they let the GOP have any dominion about America, who sold our jobs overseas, and decimated America. We are at a crisis. And, there is no time for going backwards to doing nothing, because everything has to be done, that is how bad it is — in education, housing, food, air safety, etc. We should know that it is the Dems who will butter the bread….
sorry. next time i’ll raise my hand first and await further instructions from the guy twittering in the back row…
or did i mis-construe a cheer for a bleat?
I wonder how long will Rahm wait before he blames us for the Democrats low poll numbers? The logic used to justify that assertion would be on par with the Best of Sarah’s tweets but the Press will eat it up.
Rahm leaks to the press like Rove did but Rahm does seem to be liked more by the Press than Rove ever was thats the only nice thing I can think to say about Rahm.
Damn it Obama has already been in office ten months why isn’t everything that has happened since 1970 been fixed.
FDR bit the hands that feeds, took on the powers that be;
Barack Obama, first and foremost, accommodates them…
not holding breath here.
Just felt chills run down my spine . The party of Bachman ,Cantor and Boehner will be running the country in 2010 following the dictates of Limbaugh Beck and others of that ilk !
Scares the hell outta me !
Bushes brain got quite a bit of favorable press.
It’s too early to make much of these numbers. Beware of ergodicity.
is Rahm the boss or is Obama actually in charge… either way, this whole thing is looking really bad.
as I said, it’s the economy, stupid
dump this health care fiasco.
The good thing is its the Blue Dogs who are most likely to be trimmed. I can see people waking up on election day to vote for someone who fought to get them healthcare. I can see the family of solders getting up to vote for a Dem who tried to end the war.
I can’t see anyone seeing any reason to vote for a Blue Dog…unless your a banker, drugmaker or work for an insurance company.
since when did you start obsessing and equating politics with love?
suggest u sit a spell and wait for the palpitations to ease down to a dull roar.
It ain’t pretty folks.
GOOD FOR YOU! That’s a good starting point. Paste that pic on your refrigerator. Great way to go on a diet.
It’s about motivation. It wasn’t I, but Big Dawg who did the equatin’.
Bill Clinton
First, what do polls like this reinforce above all else?
That everything electoral in America is always reduced down to either the Democrats or the Republicans.
Come 2010 and 2012, if Obama and the Democrats still preside over the economic fiasco on Main Street, the voters will, what, elect Republicans to, uh, change things? How in the world will the party even more committed to Wall Street change things for Main street—except for the worst?
Besides, our current economic calamity was brought into fruition [for the plutocrats] by both the Clinton and the Bush administrations working in conjunction to unlink Wall Street from regulation, monitoring, oversight…even commonsense.
If there is to be any enthusiasm at all it must revolve around the primary elections. In other words, finding genuinely progressive Democrats to challenge incumbent Democrats that are liberal in name only when the interests of Wall Street are on the line.
Progressives need to go back to the future by emmulating the struggles on the streets from the 30s and the 50s and the 60s into the 70s.
In the 74th Congress FDR had 71 Democratic Senators to work with in enacting Social Security.
True but he always had a nasty side which came out in the coverage. The phone bank pushed rumor Rove did about McCain having an African American child, the rumors about him being Bush’s Brain and him really running the Presidency, the Valerie Palme leak, before the rise of Darth everything bad out of the WH was thought to be Rove’s doing.
Kind of like how Rahm gets the Evil White House Cred now.
I’m really displeased with the Obama administration and Dem leadership, but I’ll turn out for my liberal senator and congressman, and to vote against the conservative senator, as well as to keep a Democrat in the governor’s chair.
However, I see things getting worse for the Dem over the next couple of years because I don’t see the steps being taken to get the economy back on track and unemployment down. The administration has the wrong priorities. “It’s the economy, stupid.” And forget 2010. If we have a double-dip recession, which is looking more likely, it’s going to be a really tough slog in 2012. Obama could turn out to be Herbert Hoover instead of the FDR we all hoped for.
I regret voting for Obama and feel like I voted for a Herbert Hoover instead of a Roosevelt. I’m tired of being used. I’ll continue to vote but I’ll seek out less mainstream, more radical candidates who aren’t likely to betray what I believe in.
Thanks for fleshing out the thot. Trimming bluedawgs would suit me just fine. Danged if I can figure whut they be good for, except broken promises and shredded dreams. Out. OUT dam uugly-fauxblue-tincture!
Ptooey!
Let the crazies take over and finish breaking the country. The Democrats are too damn good at holding the status quo together. Just let it all fall to pieces and start over. I am so not voting any more after FORTY YEARS of this bullshit. It only encourages them, trust me.
Let it collapse. IT’S GOING TO ANYWAY, that’s the thing. Learn to grow vegetables, sew, distill clean water. Life is good.
It is this sort of “not a dime’s worth of difference” nonsense that gave us tragedy of the Bush-Cheney years.
Ooogh! *hanging head in shame*
Okay okay. Starting today, yadda yadda yadda. Stubborn. Promises. Pretty is as pretty does. *riffling through records*
Did I mention I think Sen. Sherrod Brown appears to be trying his heart out to do a good job for [the common garden-variety man, woman and child]?
I respect him for that.
Yes. I’m keeping an eye on Ob. No. I don’t like Rahmbo; no; not at all.
I get uncomfortable when progressives’ methods of herding the political equines become so strident AND splintered that it spooks the lead hosses, boss. Okay? Mebbe it can’t be helped, but it’s forcing them farther away from ….., ….., helping us the way they might like to, if there’s any way left to use more tact and reason.
Spooked = wary, fearful, less apt to try to understand and what we bring to the table for them to consider.
Okay? You don’t have to agree. But that’s where I’m coming from. I’ll try not to harp on it too much, just now. Don’t expect me to disappear, though. If you’re still reading, thanks. – Adie
agreed, far as i can tell. disgusted and totally agreed.
One thing that is hard to poll, and that is the meltdown of the Republican party. The pig people, after 40 years of the Corporate cons using them to get votes like others use a station wagon as a grocery getter are saying, waitaminnit! Democrats and liberals were roundly ridiculed and characterized as the enemy to be utterly defeated and hated. The only things Republicans were for was smaller government, avoid foreign entanglements and fiscal responsibility.
What the pig people got at the end of their 40 year march and complete control of all levers of government under Bush (with just enough dem support, pointing at you Lieberman) was government expansion by 40 percent, 2 foreign wars and a massive tax cut for those really in charge. Couple this with anemic oversight of financial sector and we find ourselves in the depths of The Bush Economic Miracle.
And with a massive defeat at the pools, the pig people have renamed their clan “Teabaggers” and their little kettles are steamed. They promise to oust anyone not Reagany enough, even if old Ron hisself would flunk the test.
In short, the base of the left is agnostic and the base of the right is stupid. So I take all these polls with a grain of salt. My crystal balls say we lose 20 seats in the house–with the majority of them being Blue Dogs.
I too think we need jobs but they cannot be totally government funded jobs for long. What are people going to produce in these jobs and who is going to buy it. The american consumer goes to walmart are they going to spend more for the made in america label? We have lambasted business for taking the manufacturing overseas but the american consumer shares some of the responsibility
The terrifying prospect for 2010 (and 2012) is that the Republicans who do get elected are going to be far-right wingnuts. They aren’t going to be Romney-esque halfass centrists. They will be the fire-breathers, with bad breath and helmet hair and snot dripping from their nose, and they will be vengeful.
For my own children, and for yours, I would never agree to that.
Having just witnessed the monumental devastation that the GOP has wreaked on the country it is insane to give these people more power than they currently have. To refrain from voting against GOP candidates in every election is tantamount to shooting yourself in the head.
A more benign alternative is always better. Practical and tactical thinking must always be taken into account. Republicans as currently constituted are simply not to be trusted with political power and what current power they have needs to be reduced. They answer to one tenet only:
personal greed, they are hardened in this belief.
For Democrats, which pretty much excludes most bloggers on this site, to refrain from voting would be one more demonstration of their utter worthlessness as a political force in the shaping of events.
Arguments from the right for spending restraint at the expense of social programs at this point is basically a rationale for their unwilingness to part with their money through taxation. They are perfectly happy nevertheless to receive public money through subsidies and lucrative government contracts. But they are never willing to part with their money for the public and even for their own good.
They are really of no use in terms of promoting the public good even in their supposed expertise at creating jobs through the creation of businesses. They can’t appreciate the fact that for the most part the economic structure in the country has devolved into a preying of monied interests on the public at large.
Screw em all. They’re all a bunch of traitors. Sold me down the river. Change has been for the worse.
Let’s see:
Trillions in bankster bailouts
Last place and most expensive in health care
Liberty
Choice
Government surveillance
Unitary executive
needless war and outrageous amounts of defense spending
Planned assault on Social Security
I’ll stop there.
There has been far more effort to continue or escalate those things by Dems than any sincere effort to change them.
Brother I need every dime.
Interesting. Eighty posts as I write this and not a word on Afghanistan but for one tangential reference to the drug war.
Escalating the war in Afghanistan and the opportunity costs for all that borrowed money doesn’t dampen any one’s enthusiasm around here?
Really?
Of course, it’s too late. Obama is a status quo corporatist. He is not going to unbecome one in the next few months. Congressional Democrats have shown a complete inability to legislate effectively. That too is not going to change. Swing districts that went Democratic in 2008 represent motivated Democrats and disaffected independents who were willing to give the Democrats a try. Neither has any reason to support Democratic candidates this time around. The Democrats had a historic opportunity and they blew it monumentally.
Did you stand, slack-jawed, through the booshcheeneh years and miss comprehending the gawdawful tangle of destructive mayhem strewn as far as the eye and calendar could trace over land, by sea, wafting through the very air we breathe… far into the future.
You MISS all that, did you?
Pardon, but how would you have righted the ship of state in 6 weeks or less?
I’ll wait. *arms folded, toe tapping impatiently*
p.s., you do know a lot of us thought time was up decades ago, didn’t you. a lot of us have never stopped working for meaningful change. never.
I wasn’t aware that prosecuting criminals, avoiding unnecessary wars and sane economic policy/regulations were progressive issues. Just because trad/med says it does not make it so.
it drives some of us nuts. do we get an “A”?
Don’t know what you are implying. There are multiple reasons not to support Obama and Afghanistan is certainly one of them. If you want more, I keep a list of them here: http://obamascandalslist.blogspot.com/
we’re perhaps crossing swords over not much.
even my died-in-the-wool R parents would be utterly horrified at what their party has become. they were honest, hard-working, clear-eyed, generous folks.
our views differed on the politics, but not the reasoning behind service and giving back, paying forward, helping the needy….
Thing I hate the most is the way Obama became a War Criminal as easy as that. It’s like he ran on taking over the mantle of War Criminal in Chief.
This is not true. There has been some progress, not enough, but progess nonetheless all along the political landscape. Take HCR, for most here the legislation is disapponting, but to contend it does not represent a measure of progress is intellectually dishonest.
If you truly need every dime, you best continue voting for Democrats.
If Obama gets rid of Rahm, Geithner, Summers, and the rest of his Wall Street, corporate advisers and starts to follow through on the campaign promises he made, maybe I’ll vote. So in other words, I won’t be voting. We actually had a chance to change things, but pisssed it down a rat hole.
I may even vote for a Rethuglican; the one that runs against Senator Wellpoint, Evan Bayh. If I’m going to be represented by a Rethuglican, he may as well be one in name. This would be a first for me, but I despise Bayh and would like to se him gone.
If manufacturing moves overseas, that’s less value-add to go around. Less value-add to go around means depressed wages. Depressed wages mean you’re not going to pay $10 for a nylon kitchen spoon when the $2 alternative and an upgrade from cat food is staring you in the face. Consumers buying consumer commodities may have been the only rational actors in this whole crusterfluck.
Also, think about what you’re saying: who buys roads?
That is like saying putting lipstick on a pig is progress. We are not, in fact, seeing progress. All we are seeing is not quite as bad. There is a big difference. As I have written in the past, we are still headed over the cliff just marginally less fast than under the Republicans. Progress would be avoiding the cliff.
whew! that works for you, does it? condolences.
suggest a recalibration come tomorrow morn. if the sun rises, you’re on.
Does it? Is Federally-mandated support of the financial class through the purchase of faulty insurance products a measure of progress?
Money is power. Any policy that doesn’t transfer power downward is regressive.
Dearest partisan,
Please don’t make excuses for your party. There are other options that would be plenty viable if your party’s lawyers weren’t fighting just as hard as Those Other Guys’ lawyers to keep them down and off the ballot.
Love,
Me
yes. jury still out on whether it’s possible.
life as we know it.
Thanks for all your stunning work and dedication, Hugh.
I can’t argue with your facts.
I must quibble with your predictions in order to be able to get out of bed in the morn. I hope you understand.
P. E. A. C. E.
We are talking dimes.. the average American (including me) doesn’t and shouldn’t need to get intellectual to be able to measure a dimes worth of difference. I use a magnifying glass.. and still I can’t find the difference of which you speak.
This health care bill is a sham.. a waste, a failure on every level.. it will outrage those (poor or well to do) who fall under mandates, rightfully so. And this includes small business owners and folks who now can afford private insurance, but will see rates soar long before any of this bill sets in. I don’t want my government subsidizing 5 to 6 k a year private junk insurance policies with a promise from every privateer of continued skyrocketing prices and a loss of every woman’s liberty. I want a plan for all at under 4k each. I would much prefer nothing at all than the expensive feeding tube of the very monsters we say we are battling now.. for what will still leave tens of millions without care for the highest prices the world has ever known.
Apparently you don’t have a pre-existing condition or some such.
The Health Insurer Welfare Act of 2010 is going to be Obama’s NAFTA.
His reluctance to pitch added demand side stimulus, borrowing to invest in reviving the economy, mean a long, slow grind seeing continuing declining standards of living.
Democrats do not get excited in off-year elections when their party gives the store away to the corporate elites.
And if this system did not swing back and forth with the regularity of a pendulum, thus constraining any broad support for change, then there might be an excuse for not seeing the manipulative pattern.
So long as we allow ourselves to be fooled that there really is a choice between the Democrats and Republicans, that Bush II was really that much worse than Obama, there will be no way out of this trap.
Just because Obama is smarter than Bush II does not mean that the end results of his policies are significantly different. We’re going to see all sorts of change you can believe in, just so long as everything stays the same.
nice try. the day when I make excuses for a whole party and all its mashynations, heh.
do be careful climbing down from those dizzying heights.
for the nose bleeds… *hands tissue thru the toobz*
Really? You folks can’t find a dime’s worth of difference between Bush and Obama?
Well, OK and good luck to you under the Palin Administration.
*cough* thanks. picked the wrong time to lean over to pet the kitty.
Winter 09-10: Started a new
victorysubsistence garden. Mulched catnip today.Little girl kitty mews, “Uh huh?!” and brings me her favorite toy for a game of catch. Therapeutic, that.
Happy Birthday Dragon. The sun came out. Ting turned upside down and deployed her solar panels to soak it up. Got pictures.
hurt no living thing
And I list a number of “issues” where I look. You don’t. You mentioned HC but failed to mention one reason why you find a dimes worth of difference.
We read here and elsewhere every day… I know and you know we would agree on more than naught.
But I am not finding difference in details, nor on surface. I can’t have a real conversation with wingnuts these days and honestly defend Obama and the Dems in senate or congress. I certainly can’t promote progressive ideals with any of their actions… not honestly, not even remotely.
And another thing… I meet more and more old DFH’s every day who join the ranks of the gun totin’ wingnuts. Lots of guns.. big guns! This country is about to explode.. if we don’t recruit and demand results from some fire breathing liberals real fast… there will be no one but the pissed off GOPers or pseudo Libertarians for these folks to follow.
the herd leaders have been spooked.
trust the old lady who watched it happen.
never stop trying to talk reason.
try telling them when they do something you approve of.
too much? then don’t, and suffer the consequences, knowing you could have tried…
Funny thing that, as I understand it they can’t refuse you coverage but they can charge you whatever they want. So the difference is what?
You don’t think there is any difference in Obama’s position on HCR than the GOP’s position? This will be big news to Mitch McConnell and Co.
Yep.
It is one thing to say there is not a dime’s worth of difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. That of course is preposterous. But it is not in the least bit irrational to point out that with respect to things like the Wall Street bailout, healthcare reform, finance reform, campaign finance reform, Afganistan, crony capitalism, the military/terrorist industrial complex etc. the top leadership of both the Democratic and Republican Parties are just variations on the same Wall Street scheme.
Again, if you don’t believe this go to any public interest website and compare the dollars that K Street and its ilk pour into both the Democratic and Republican coffers.
The plutocrats that run America certainly don’t make any significant distinction between the two parties, that’s for sure.
You still fail to mention substantive specific reasons. You create bs fear arguments with boogie men. If you want people to fear things as the only reason not to do something… I think you will not get the results you are looking for. I mean it’s the entire GOP playbook…and look what they have… angry, fact free, self defeating folk.
Seems to me, Dems are as self defeating as the GOP these days.
Tell me… how does that work for you when you talk with folks outside our blog bubble in real life?
For me, when I’ve tried, it’s been less than useless. I’m no Jane Hamsher, but in real face to face conversations I can talk a real good game if I have anything to work with at all… these days, not so much.
Include me as a member of the angry progressive base that has no intention of standing in line at the poll to vote for these clowns. As was writeen elsewhere it doesn’t really matter if you vote Dem or Repub you’re still going to get Repub polcies. Obama has proven that again.
The problem with the Dems in office (including Obama) is that most have only worked under minority status in Congress.
It’s what they’re used to, what provides them cover for talking the talk, but not walking the walk.
They’re accustomed to working toward, not against, the corporate conservative mode — oh, maybe making a few protests, hanging back to get minor consessions, cajoling voters to re-elect them, while paying back lobbyists and their corporate owners with legislation that benefits ‘em.
The Democrats who voted for the Iraq war, the gutting of regulation that kept the banks and Wall Street previously from selling us all down the river, and so on and so forth.
They don’t mind being in the minority, it serves them. They won’t mind returning, not really.
As history has shown, we’re the ones who will suffer, not them.
Some people insist on maintaining their delusions, – makes it possible for them to get out of bed in the morn.
Here is some new information that seems to support that some progress is being made in HCR.
Mitch, the egarish leader of the rootin’ tootin’ revoltin’ AHRRRRRRRRRRRs.
much plenty for to cheering the stampedastid twitterers as they form their rankle – um – huzzah?
is it Pirate Day yet?
I guess the Republican strategy was right. Say no to Obama, and grab every single headline. They said, “The Democrats will win the votes (in Congress), but we’ll win the message war.”
I have yet to see any articles that detail what accomplishments there are of the Obama administration in its ’six simultaneous chess games’ as Kissinger describes it. Instead we get pictures of stupid people in hats with tea bags hanging off, and lots and lots of criticism.
The Republicans won the message war, with lots of help from their media pals.
whatever.
just throw on a robe, or a bathmat
trust me
no one will notice
Fool me once shame on you
Fool me twice, shame on me,
Fool me three times, go fuck yourselves.
who wants to vote for a bunch of corporate enablers who don’t give a shit about me?
not me.
What’s being forced at gunpoint to buy shoddy products and allowing ridiculously poor value (60% actuarial value?!) got to do with making products better?
The unnecessary war in Afghanistan is about to become completely Obama’s as far as I’m concerned.
Hugh:
Just spent the last hour responding to your post but it got eaten when I tried to post it.
Don’t have time to recreate it now. I’ll just say that your summary and analysis on your blog site is spot on and I recommend it to others.
Bottom line is that I agree with those that say Afghanistan is going to do to Obama’s presidency what Vietnam did to LBJ’s.
you can fool some of the people all the time,
and all of the people some of the time,
and those are pretty good odds.
- Bret Maverick
That’s why Wall Street supported him so enthusiastically. A Republican president could not gut entitlements, it takes a Democrat, like Clinton with welfare “reform.”
I see you rootin-tootin for the Corporatist party because crumbs are better than nothing. Between sex and masturbation, I’ll take the former.
You going to read that out loud in a bar, coffee shop, or at a dinner table and convince one person? And that assumes it’s true.. which I do not believe at all.
Saving 200 to 500! Are you effing kidding me! That’s really going to mean something to folks who eat off 110.00 a month in food stamps while working part to full time for minimum wage… or earning 12 to 14 bucks an hour.
Nope.. a real PO or single payer.. with progressive taxation at the paycheck was the only reasonable way to tack anything onto most working (or currently unemployed) folk. The rest is just a recipe for ire. And Dems will pay for it at the ballot box, as they should. Unless Dems vote no.. as progressives should.
And it appears to ignore insurance a pharmas promise to continue raising prices.
Clever people, like James Carville and Rahm Emanuel, think that their bosses have the left locked up: “They has nowhere else to go.” These clever fellows overlook the obvious fact that we can simply stay home.
Actually, the problem is our majority is too slim to enact sweeping change. In the 74th Congres FDR had 71 Democratic Senators to work with in enactng Social Security. In the 89th Congress LBJ had 68 Democratic Senators and a handful of Mugwump GOP Senators to work with in enacting Medicare.
Without huge majorities our Constitutional system does not allow for sweeping progressive change. Don’t blame Obama, it is Madison’s fault.
But all that anti-war commotion will allow his Hamilton Project palls to fully clean out the treasury. 3 card monte is always in play.
Hugh, great List!!, thanks!
prognosticators anonymous
a good idea for a self-help group if i ever….
or mebbe
propagandists anonymous
yeah, that’s the ticket
lawsy. the fella caint tell ‘is rite from ‘is left.
Hugh:
On your list of Obama scandals, #9, the last date should be February 17, 2009 not 2007.
Excellent site. As long as I’ve been coming to the Lake I’m embarrassed to say this was my first visit to your site. It’s now bookmarked on my phone and my computer.
I gotta go.
Thanks oldgold. Hate to leave you with this mess. Mop’s in the corner.
good luck with the whirled peas thing. so far, there’s still tomorrow.
The problem is 80 some odd progressives in the House are wimps and cowards at best. Until we can hold those 80 folks feet to the fire we deserve no more.
i’ll help with that.
thanks. ;->
Those amounts don’t take into consideration the subsidies as the report notes.
I am all for single payer. The problem is it isn’t politically doable at the present time. So, I will accept incremental progress and work to build on that, in part, by continuing to vote for Democrats.
Their job is to put on a
freesponsored show for the world — a historical play in three acts entitled A Functioning Democracy — and they get paid handsomely to do just that. The record and the ruling class are their audience.How’s mandating the purchase of high-profit insurance products going to make their vendors lobby LESS strenuously against single-payer? When has anything like that EVER happened?
How about “The Next Time Kiss Me First” party?
Show me the incremental progress?
All I see is that Dems will insist taxpayers/ government pay way too much for making the privateer monsters much bigger… while leaving tens of millions without care… and the rest with skyrocketing prices.
That’s the incrementalism we’ve had for decades… now it’s just subsidized further with government money and mandates.
We will still be in last place for the highest costs the world has ever known. That my friend is all any GOPer or Blue Dog has to say come election season for many years to come.
I’m on your side and yet.. at the coffee house you have made not one winning argument.
marxmarv:
It isn’t. But, over time, as has happened with Social Security and Medicare, the initial reform can be improved.
It has happened in the 39th, 74th and 89th Congresses. So, the answer is, that it rarely occurs under our system.
One quick way to create jobs: create a single payer health care system, hire all the redundant people from the health insurance companies (except the executives).
If the wingnuts start screaming about paying for it, defund the Department of Homeland Security and make the FBI and Immigration and naturalization, and ATF, and DEA responsible for our security again. DHS hasn’t saved us from a goddamn thing.
Oh, and get rid of the title “Homeland” from every single government entity.
Why drop out and let the corporatocracy win by default? Don’t withdraw and pout; go out and start the arduous task of replacing the Democrat Party with candidates from a Party that cares, like the Green Party or other non-Democan Party.
Remember that Obama and his All-Goldman Alumni Team of Facilitators, Bernanke, Geithner, and Summers, have provided $17.5 TRILLION in past, current, and future BAILOUT obligations to the Financial Gangsters: Banksters, Stocksters, and Insurance Scam Gamesters.
Compare the Democratic Party’s softness on health care to earlier fights to turn “privileges” into rights or general access. They are failing to take the high ground, indeed, almost any ground, in the battle for health care reform, preferring instead to protect corporate profits.
Had the priorities that rule today ruled earlier, then Second World War, when Ike began construction of the great interstate road network, they would all have been toll roads. Instead of preferred, high-occupancy lanes, we would have preferred, pre-paid lanes. Had those priorities held sway in the fight to make childhood education universal and mandatory, we would not have public schools, but a patchwork of government sponsored parochial and for-profit schools open to the devout or the well-heeled. Everyone else would do without.
America isn’t a society to these people. It’s a market to be stripped and dominated, like India to the British or the Congo to the Belgians. Similar notions about the emptiness of the rule of law and that government/corporate security always trumps civil liberties seem to apply.
It doesn’t have to be that way, but we won’t regain any measure of balance by not fighting. Encouraging one’s own base to stay away from the polls would seem an elegant way to maintain the status quo and to “manage” the rude left, than to fight for something better, wouldn’t it Rahm?
This is not entirely accurate. IIRC, Rosalynn Carter led the charge that opened the doors of the Psychiatric hospitals and flooded the streets with the mentally ill in a misguided (IMO) attempt to de-stigmatize mental illness by re-empowering even the most mentally incompetent patients to determine their own societal fates.
This, of course, made it easier for St. Ronnie to shutter those hospitals at almost the same time he oversaw the gutting of funding for the nascent “community support networks” that were supposed to take care of the mentally ill.
This is my gut-reaction, too TJ. In line with Nader’s retort, after 2000, that “at least you have a wolf in wolf’s clothing.” I do worry that things could get SO bad that the militant gun crazies could become ascendant and in charge.
No – he’ll blame the base and the press will buy it and repeat ad nauseum until it becomes standard wisdom. Oh why didn’t we listen to our brilliant Rahm?
If I pay you double your current wages; on the condition that you be imprisoned for life, and can only collect the bonus upon your death… it would be intellectually dishonest to say I wasn’t giving you a raise.
Lay the mess at the feet of those that deserve it….The White House ..Obama and his brain trust and the US Senate.
The first rule of a plutocracy is do no harm to fellow plutocrats.
they are armed and ready
I think we are heading over the cliff faster. Matt Taibbi has pointed out that Goldman et. al has donated far more money to the Dems than the R’s. The Dems “sound” like they are more interested in financial reform but in fact they do either do nothing or actually facilitate the great financial interests in their robbery.
Same with Healthcare. Individual mandates with anemic or non-existent PO = vast sums of $ into the cartel, making the cartel stronger and the people weaker.
Afghanistan and Iraq. Same thing.
No, the pace of Bad is accelerating.
Exactly.
Technically speaking, the answer is no. It would be intellectually honest. At death you can’t collect a bonus, but your estate can. Moreover, and more broadly, your analogy seems rather wide of the mark as to HCR.
YES!!! Many of us remember quite clearly The Dems efforts to keep Nader off the ballot. Democrats are anything but democratic.
It’s looking like things will have to get much worse before Americans realize they have been played for chumps by the oligarchs, whether they call themselves Republicans or Democrats. It’s a class thing and the last thing the oligarchs want to keep to themselves is thaty they are the ruling class and everyone else is the ruled.
Yes, and it is too bad they didn’t keep him off the Florida ballot.
Rahm’s master plan of alienating the base and ensuring big GOP gains in 2010 is proceeding very well.
Rahm is one of the dumbest political operatives in history. Pissing off your base doesn’t win elections.
bingo!
It also helps to have not just a damned uncomfortable recession, but an all out system-threatening Depression.
what is the difference? (not a rhetorical question)
Yes.
In early March of this year it looked like that might happen. It was averted, but, of course, no one gets any credit for that.
In the midst of this sort of news, what does the White House do as a response?
They bless the effort to create the Kent Conrad Concord Coalition Catfood for Elders Commission.
Brilliant Rahmbo, just brilliant!
Yes and presumably we would have had 4-8 years of Gore-LIEBERMAN. While Gore has been elevated to sainthood it’s important to remember that he was well schooled in the Clinton style of corporate butt-kissing. I see no reason to think that Gore would have been any LESS of a crushing disappointment than Obama has been.
Meanwhile, the Dems severely hampered the efforts of a rowdy 3rd party led by Nader that just happened to have TRUTH on it’s side. All these protestations about “dime’s worth of difference” that are so obvious now, were being voiced by Ralph a long time ago. And he was called a crackpot by quite a few Dems.
Now I hear many Dems crying out in desperation for a way in which to turn. Independents just recently surpassed Dems and R’s. It would seem a natural time for a 3rd party to kindle. But we have the legacy of the Dems keeping Nader off the ballot in so many states and that will have a chilling effect on efforts start something new. Something real.
I do not compare Gore and/or Obama to perfection. I compare them to Bush.
But for Nader, this world and this country would be in much better shape.
His vanity candidacy cost us all dearly.
More than 2 million people voted for Nader.
Kindly do not go off dismissing those people as vanity voters.
The Democrats enabled everything Bush did that Democrats detest. I think that it is clear that the Democrats fight for us as hard as they fought for themselves in 2000 after winning the election but losing the White House.
I do not like the actions of President Obama.
I do not like the actions of Harry Reid.
I do not like the actions of Nancy Pelosi.
I abhore the weak heathcare legislation.
I do not like my Congressman John Salazar or his brother Ken.
I do not like my Senators Bennet and Udall.
I dislike Governor Ritter.
I hate the Democratic Congress and Senate.
I dislike my State Party Chairperson.
None of the above are acting like Democrats.
I am a Democrat & gave been for 70 years.
I did not call them vanity voters. I do not consider them vanity voters. I do; however, consider anyone who voted for Nader in a closely contested state in 2000 to have been misguided.
The difference beween Gore and Bush is not a matter of degree, but of kind. To equate the two is beyond the realm of well informed good faith debate
I compare them to Bush as well, and the difference is dismayingly miniscule.
That’s the lesson. Over and over again.
Yeah, and that’s just 2 million who were ALLOWED to vote for their candidate.
Many others saw him snipped right off the ballot.
At any moment I am expecting a comment from the Queen of Hearts.
I have one word for you to consider: Iraq.
GDC @ 177;
Spot on. For all of the would-be Gore resurrectors, I have TWO words for you:
Joe Lieberman.
How many Democrats were there in the Senate in 2003 when Bush wanted to invade Iraq?
How many Republicans are in the Senate today when Obama wanted to reform health care?
Any questions?
In 2000, Nader had a grassroots base behind him and was on most states’ ballots.
In 2004 and 2008, Nader was a vanity candidate.
The time to fight bad ballot access laws is not during a campaign, but now.
“Any Questions?”
No. But, I have two answers. Gore and Obama were opposed to the Iraqi War.
Had Gore been elected President this most tragic of wars would never have happened.
Besides the lives lost and ruined by this war and the treasure wasted, the US Tresury would not have been looted by tax cuts for the most affluent among us.
That’s the difference between neoliberal governance and governance in previous periods of capitalist society. Earlier, capital had a “Lockean heartland,” a mother country which it was to enrich at the cost of the dominated countries of the periphery (Latin America, Africa, most of Asia, eastern Europe). Now there’s nothing but periphery.
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STOP complaining and do something about the real poorbashers and the hate mongers in America, the companies that fund conservatives, or as I like to say KLANSERVATIVES.
Leen, sorry but you got it all wrong when you write: “But having the responsibility and mess of the last eight years in your lap is not an easy task. Unnecessary wars, massive tax cats for fat cats, undermining of the DOJ, torture, did I say torture, tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths and injuries (although you would never know when it comes to the MSM) Tough to hold your head above the water with this massive undertow.”
You’ve presented the Bush alone is responsible and Obama hasn’t had enough time. Face it, Obama has been in office almost 11 months: he is the one who on Tuesday will ESCALATE an already unpopular and unwinnable war in Afghanistan. Obama is the one who has done absolutely nothing about prosecuting the excesses of the Bush administration (remember “look forward not backward”). Obama is the one who continues forced renditions, state secrets and much else relating to the torture agenda. And by the way, GITMO is still in business. Obama’s Geithner worked with Bush’s Paulson to write TARP and Obama approved that too.
Obama ran on a platform of change and he has just not delivered. That’s why there’s no enthusiasm for the Democrats and why this diary was written. Kudos to the diarist, by the way!
Exactly right JohnEmerson on entitlements. Barack Obama made a little noticed speech as a senator at the opening of the Goldman Sachs funded Hamilton Project (type “Obama” and “Hamilton Project” and it will lead to a Firedoglake diary that has Obama’s speech). In that speech:
1. Obama paid tribute to his “friend Bob” (Bob Rubin head of Goldman Sachs);
2. Obama praised to the heavens unfettered and unlimited free trade (making his campaign promise of “renegotiating NAFTA” on which he subsequently flip flopped a major bad joke);
3. Obama noted “problems” with entitlements (which means programs like Social Security and Medicare) and said they must be cut back.
Obama is really a DLCer-neo Republican. He ran a stealth candidacy for President but now we are seeing his true agenda: trillions of dollars in bailouts to Wall St. and banks; no jobs creation program outside of public relations smoke and mirrors; and escalation of wars. Not really much of a difference between his programs and W’s.
I agree with you that Obama will soon undertake “entitlement reform” with his reform being much like his “insurance reform”: i.e. screw programs set up for average Americans.
Calvin Jones, Matt Tiabi is late getting to Obama and the Hamilton Project. Years ago someone did an excellent diary on that and even presented Obama’s speech. In that speech:
1. Obama kissed “his friend’s” (Bob Rubin, head of Goldman Sachs) butt as Rubin had funded the Hamilton Project;
2. Obama spoke fervently for the need for unfettered free trade. This makes a mockery of his later campaign pledge to renegotiate NAFTA, a promise he made just to pander for union votes when he needed them.
3. Obama spoke of the need to reassess entitlements (meaning social security and medicare) and cut their cost.
He made the speech as a senator some years ago but it lays out the REAL Obama.
These numbers would probably be enough to destroy Democratic hopes in swing district and close Senate seats throughout the country. And the reasons are pretty clear;
Democrats have simply not been given enough of a reason to come out and vote yet.
As a loyal Liberal Democratic voter of some 45 years I have got to say I am damned disappointed in Obama and our Congressional Democrats. I have always believed that our so called Democrats, who failed to buck Bush on much of anything, failed to support or even debate impeachment, failed to call for enforcement of our Federal Anti-Torture Laws against obvious and admitted violations, failed to stop the Iraq War in 2007 by stopping the funding,
Would ever get voters a health care reform bill that was created for our benefit and not that of the greedy insurance companies.
I have been waiting since the 60s for real Democrats to show up. I still do not see any. I am willing to work hard to elect real Democrats but I am also willing to work to un-elect Democrats who disappoint me. I have waited too long for just more lies and excuses from Congressional Democrats.
Any candidate
is better than a do nothing democrat who lies to me.
ANGRYVOTERS.org
It you Liberal Democratic voters are not willing to make them fear you, they will never respect you.
I am mad as hell. Are You?
How many Iraqi kids did Clinton and Gore kill during the sanctions of the 1990s?
The Democrats had the power to stop the Iraq war but they folded.
Here’s a question I’ve never seen addressed: Who are the Democratic moderates that Rahm sponsored? I’d like to know their names/districts, so I can keep an eye on what happens to them. Thanks to anyone who can fill me in.
Why the Hell should we grass-roots progressive Democrats vote? We busted our collective asses the last time and the only thing we got was Republican Lite. If I’d have wanted to continue with Bush III, I would have saved all those meager $20 donations I made out of my disability check to get this lying sack of s**t elected. And his lying sack of s**t f**kwad Chief of Staff (see, Rahm has no copyright on the word ‘f**k’. The Village Press just titter because he uses it and other obscenities and it sounds so ‘manly’ that their panties get wet.)
I have given up and am seriously considering a move to another country. I have several options because I have citizenship in another country if I ever choose to exercise it. This one is so f**ked up that I don’t think that there is much chance of saving it. The only thing that MIGHT change my mind is if that lying SOS in the White House fires his entire staff and starts over with at least SOME of the people who helped put him there. We do not need Bush III or Clinton II but we are well on our way to getting them.
A-yep!
Are you old enough to remember Ted Kennedy’s bitterly-fought primary of Jimmy Carter back in 1980? The one where the fighting went on so long and was so bitter that it left the Dems divided and ripe to allow Ronald Reagan to win with only 25% of the electorate?
I am.
I am indeed old enough to remember. What’s your point?
As I recall, Carter-/Clinton-/Rahm-Emmanuel-style, New-Democratic politics produced electoral disaster and locked in Republican control for 20+ years, in the process creating the fiscal crisis, the end of the unions, and the era of endless war. No matter how you choose to look at it, the greed and ambition of the Party leadership created the disaster, not rank-and-file disunity or bitterness. The mistake was foisting the Carters and Clintons on us in the hopes of attacting “moderates” (i.e corporations with deep pockets), not our failure to get behind the Party’s Chosen Ones.
The Party has effectively locked the membership out of the processes of selecting candidates and setting policy. It counts on leaving us nowhere else to go. It counts on being able to give us Republicanism Lite with the excuse that the Limbaugh/Hannity/Rove/Palin variety is so much worse. But in real terms, the heavy form of Republicanism just looks worse.The difference is in the cosmetics, not the substance. The wars, the joblessness, the giveawways to the rich, the assaults on civil liberties, even the torturing in the secret cells all continue, only with less fanfare and less visibility.
Changing the current political situation may require sacrifices. One of these may be a new Reaganish interregnum, like the one on which Virginia is now embarking. But a line has to be drawn. We have shown that we can and will mobilize to support the right policies and candidates that claim to support same. Now we have to show that we can mobilize to oppose bad policies and punish their proponents at the polls, even at considerable cost to ourselves. Otherwise, the Party will always promise one thing and deliver another.
So, unless we see real change really soon, the Party should consider me on strike. I will be voting “NO confidence” by not voting. I say that having never failed to vote–Democratic–in an election since I turned 18 in the year eighteen-year-olds got the vote.
Unfortunately its the Economy Stupid! In a country where White Privilege comes before ALL else, its making sure that family in middle America or in suburban America will have a job, screw everybody else. That’s why most of the Stimulus went to “Shovel Ready Projects” and other things that matter most to those with means, which are NOT people of color by a large margin.
That’s why they keep beating this “Middle Class American” drum and won’t go near “Working Class” or “The Poor” because that segment of society overwhelmingly have dark skin, that’s the “We Got Ours Screw U” Big D Democratic Party.
If Obama was really willing to be a one term President, then pull all the troops out of these totally unneeded wars. That would save enough money for major Energy and Climate Legislation, Health Care Reform, Transformation of our Public Education System, etc.
They basically have 6-10 months to pass all that stuff listed in the story if less than 50% is not law by Sept, Dem’s can kiss their dominance in Congress good bye.
Why strike? Just leave… If this country moves back to the Right, its time to find someplace else to live. The Right will destroy this country, civil liberties and anything else important to the Left.
I can’t do any WORST than living in Denmark….
Where would I go? Can you actually get me into Denmark (it is my ancestral homeland, don’tcha know)? I didn’t think so.
The aim is, in any case, not to quit but to punish and, hopefully, change. The problem with the current “progressive” approach is that it offers small carrots to our Party and its pols (at least compared to the AIGs and Pharmas) and no sticks. If the carrots must be small, the stick should really, really hurt–or at least be moderately satisfying to swing.