Dick Durbin actually dared to question the honor of St. John McCain on the Senate floor just now, leading to a volcanic explosion from the Arizona Senator.
Durbin was discussing John McCain’s amendment to commit the Senate health care bill back to the Finance Committee, to return with the elimination of all “Medicare cuts,” as he calls it. These cuts actually involve decreasing fraud, eliminating the total waste of subsidies to private insurance companies for Medicare Advantage, which costs the government more money for the same care, and reducing payments for uncompensated care (there will be les of it with more insured people). Durbin mentioned what top Democrats have mentioned all day, that McCain’s own policy in the 2008 campaign would have cut Medicare $1.3 trillion dollars over 10 years, three times the amount of reductions in this bill.
Boy, John McCain was not happy with that. He interrupted Durbin asking for a question, and when Durbin was finished, whined about the lack of comity in the Senate for not being given the courtesy of responding. He claimed that Durbin was “totally falsifying my position, both in the Presidential campaign and the position we have on this side in this amendment.”
Refuting Durbin’s claim that the Republicans have done nothing to protect patients, McCain cited his work on the patient’s bill of rights, which has been waiting for a final vote in the Senate since 2002, having not received one for four years while Republicans were in power. McCain cited no other policy.
With respect to his enormous flip-flop on Medicare, McCain said, “Yes, I said we could eliminate waste, fraud and abuse in spending,” and specifically cited Sen. Tom Coburn’s Patient Choice Act as the model for his policy. So some waste cuts, representing $1.3 trillion dollars, are right, when they are forwarded by the guy who told seniors “You are going to die soon” if health care passes. “There is no relation between what I tried to do in this campaign and what’s done in this bill,” said McCain.
McCain went on to say that his record is “very clear” on fighting for patients, and that Democrats are hypocrites because they didn’t support $23 billion in Medicare cuts in the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 (which passed through reconciliation). As Chris Dodd said, that was because “under that bill, children, working families lost insurance they had, the cuts occurred to proper screenings, women lost access to mammographies, cervical cancer screening was cut, families lost their benefits, there were direct cuts in them.” McCain confuses direct cuts and the provisions in this bill. “You can’t make these things up as you go along,” said Dodd. “Those of us who made warnings about that bill were 100% accurate.”
McCain closed by touting the support of wingnut welfare shops like Citizens Against Government Waste and the PhRMa-funded 60 Plus.
Always fun to watch the eruption of Mount McCain.



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Very interesting. Thanks – I don’t get Cspan 2 so couldn’t see that.
What are the chances of seeing a clip of it on the msm news this evening?
What would the chances of seeing it have been if it were a defeated Sen. Obama, or VP Gore?
But, one quibble — you wrote:
You might want to edit that to, “attempting to refute,” “denying that,” “asserting that,” or something similar.
He failed utterly to “refute” Durbin’s assertions.
(pardon the pedantry, but word connotation is important, and don’t want to see it picked up as “see, he admits McCain refuted Durbin!”)
I predict many “reaction shots” of McCain in MSM to remind us all of who we didn’t vote for as we sacrifice more lives into the ME volcano.
after which he collapsed in his chair and gasped, “Summon my hand maidens, Lindsay and Joseph.”
Like tejanarusa, I hope this is replayed later.
Interesting that he became unglued because Durbin didn’t kiss his ring.
Good for Durbin; long overdue.
How’s McCain’s ticker? Any chance an emotional explosion could trip a heart attack, taking care of the problem for once & all?
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Thanx for the post…it is good to know that a reporter of your caliber is watchin’ the Senate fiasco so that those of us with no patience, no sense of humor left and plenty of anger don’t hafta watch the dance of these dinosauers. But let me just say that the last 9 years have exposed just how decayed, corrupt and completely disfunctional constitutional government is in the United States today. If the United States Senate represents the best and the brightest of the capitalist oligarchy then we are livin’ a nightmare melodrama written by Aristophanes. And the fact that a lunatic like John McCain was almost President after his 70 plus years of corruption and failure makes me want to throw up.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE BATARDS ARE COMIN’ THROUGH THE WIRE!!
“These cuts actually involve decreasing fraud…”
So this is the new talking point? That the $400+ billion in cuts comes from cutting fraud? YOu have got to be kidding me. I guess it should come as no surprise that the left has chosen to completely ignore the report FROM THE ORGANIZATION THAT RUNS MEDICARE which stated that the Medicare cuts in the Democrat bill would have a devastating effect on the availability of care for seniors. Yep, let’s just ignore that inconvenient fact.
How about a link for that?
McBlame send me an email petition to sign regarding these cuts. Why the hell he sends me emails I will never know. I have been a registered Democrat for 32 years and have never, ever voted for a rethuglican’t.
Thanks for the good job informing us all about it.
I’m at the point that when I get any kind of email from the GOP, I quickly delete it.
They’re probably full of the crazy virus.
Citizen masanf:
Ok you got lost and blinded by the sunlight when ya jumped out from under the bridge…you’re in a reality-based community now so go back under the bridge before you catch the hellfire that awaits fascist lunatics when they attack rational folks who don’t have patience for muderous krypto-Nazis…and relax under that bridge and read a real conservative like Aristophanes who described your type of madness in a number of very well-wrtten satires.
Hah! And McCain made an Enron reference to slam the bill when his own BFF is Phil I heart Enron Gramm!!!
hahahahahaha, that crazy Uncle Johnny!
So, Flame, you coulda had Sarah. Look for the positive here…what McCain wanted to give us. (I know. ;) Not really reassuring.)
hehe. But recognize that these people carry around their life pass from the reality-based community when they visit blogs belonging to that community. Call it a personal bubble of rightwing rethug/conservadem fantasy.
Seriously, y’all, I am doubting that John McCain remembers from minute to minute — let alone year to year — what he said about anything anymore. I would feel for him if he was not a voting Senator. This must all be very frustrating for him. Sadly, not our concern, though.
David sees it one way:
Mary Lynn Cramer at Counterpunch another:
george:
One way or another, the health care industry will always find a way to make sure they come out on top.
What I wouldn’t give to sit down with Barack Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and all the rest of the sham “progressives” in the Democrat Party and have a discussion….a real discussion…about health care in America. We could start by examining how much closer they are to the Republicans and Wall Street than they claim to be to all the rest of us.
What is infuriating of course is how they can get away with this “reform” sham. And how the mainstream media lets them.
at least he has an excuse (age). Most rethugs seem to start suffering from the same ailment (of gratuitous self-contradiction and apparent forgetfulness of convenience) in their thirties, upon moving to WDC.
Is it a CLOUDY day here at FDL?
Lots of WASPs buzzing about FDL today…?
Thanks for that, NFThrower 8^))
Medicare Advantage is a large waste of money. If you want to argue otherwise, go ahead. It accounts for $177 billion of all these cuts, and it’s simply a pure subsidy to private insurance companies to run the same Medicare programs for more money. There shouldn’t be any such thing as Medicare Advantage; the only people who get an advantage from it are insurance companies.
I also think that making sure millions of dollars aren’t funneled to unscrupulous providers who rent wheelchairs that could be purchases for a couple hundred dollars is generally a good thing.
Jane was on msnbc this morning.
I’m only talking about John McCain. He at least feigned a degree of honor as a solid Republican: watching him coming unraveled during the campaign was just sad.
a little Alley Heimziemers ya think… Poor poor John..
I have been receiving many calls recently, attempting to sell Medicare Advantage plans. When I decline the callers become angry, and make statements such as: “We’ll be around for a long, long time.” Then they hang up. They realize that the lovely government subsidies they have been able to collect might soon stop coming, and they are very cranky. My personal opinion is that the Medicare Advantage plans offer very little, if anything more than regular Medicare.
As for John McCain I see many symptoms of a little cognitive slippage, indicative of some sort of medical problem related to dementia. During my years as a psychiatric nurse I had many opportunities to witness this type of behavior. No matter how bad things may get, I am still grateful that he did not become president.
Lordy Please No!
And yes he is loosing it!! BWDYW for a tortured war vet whose brains were scrambled long ago in the Hanoi Hilton.
Personally I think he should just go ahead and fucking RE-Tire and do us all a favor!
McCain only got his dander up when his precious insurance companies subsidized by Medicare (Bush’s plan) are being removed.
He’s a cranky, old hypocrite.
The clip is on You Tube, He does not look well, gasping and reaching for his words. Enjoy.
Good.
Yeah, thanks – I saw it.
(I’m a huge Morning Meeting fan.)
YOU FOLKS HAVE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT IN AN HMO SYSTEM, (OF WHICH MOST HOSPICES ARE STRUCTURED) IT IS LARGELY THE PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN–OR NURSE– WHICH RESTRICTS ACCESS TO MEDICAL CARE AND PROCEDURES; THAT IS HOW THE PHYSICIAN (OR PHYSICIAN GROUP OR HOSPICE) MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFITS. MEDICARE ADVANTAGE IS AN HMO.
My friends, since I see it a couple of times in this thread I feel it is a good time for a friendly reminder that the correct grammar is DemocratIC Party. Even my friend William F. Buckley refused to play Lush Limpbaugh’s, Bill O’Loofah’s, and basically every single modern-day Repub’s silly little reindeer game of “Democrat Party.”
So since we’re all friends here, my friends, I’ll leave my friends with some educational materials on the subject:
http://mediamatters.org/research/200608160005
YOW. You don’t have to yell, do you?
It continues to boggle the mind how from day-to-day these lame rethuglicans can’t remember what they said in the last 24 hours. What does their staffs do all day – just beat off all the time?? They are the lamest bunch of do nothings this republic has ever seen. The sooner John McSame is OFF the public stage and retired to eating snake burgers the better. He is an ass.
AND, since his buddy, McGrassley admitted today that he lives off the federal government, this should tell you all you ever need to know about these criminals. The current health care debate will expose these clowns as the bribe-taking, slime bags they have been for years. Good riddance mofos…..
Noticed in the last few weeks Tweety has started saying Democrat Party.
In this case it seems that rebut is the right word, since McCain didn’t simply deny Durbin’s accusation, he attempted to disprove it.
“Rebut means to argue to the contrary: “He rebutted his opponent’s statement.” Refute connotes success in argument and almost always implies an editorial judgment. Instead, use [the words] deny, dispute rebut or respond to.” AP Stylebook
In this case it seems that rebut is the right word, since McCain didn’t simply deny Durbin’s accusation, he attempted to disprove it.
Don’t worry Johnny (ol’ sparky on the Oriskany) McSame has his Barry Goldwater Holy card in his breast pocket. Too bad Sen. Byrd won’t have a go at him before he passes. I bet Byrd could get Mt. McSame, and that stupid bimbo from Wasilla down on their knees in front of there Bill Buckley jr. shrine.
Any Senator that loses a general election for President should retire. Especially someone as old as McDouchebag.
You can watch cspan online any time, nowadaze
yeah, but not if I’m not using the computer, or need to do something else on the computer. TV you can have on while cleaning, cooking, etc. The laptop, not so much.