I’ve re-read Obama’s Afghanistan speech, and I think it was perhaps designed to displease everyone – hawks, doves, Democrats, Republicans. Afghanistan and Pakistan is really a least-worst scenario after eight years of war, and so we got an unsatisfying “get in to get out” strategy without any tactical information and based on an extremely shaky premise.
As Kevin Drum said, if you can figure out what 30,000 new troops are actually going to be doing from that speech, show me the passage. If the escalation is in “our vital national interest,” as Obama said, there should at least be some indication of what specifically will be done with it. I guess you can’t say out loud that it’s a mass dog whistle to Pakistan that we’re holding up our commitment to remain engaged in the region and not let India take over, so they go after extremism in their own country. It’s a bit too cynical. He said that he owed it to the public to provide a real strategy after eight years of drift, and then offered no strategy other than what he said during the first escalation in March – a “civilian surge,” a strategic partnership with Pakistan, and… that’s it.
That information on tactics, where these troops will go and how they will be more successful, is available, but not necessarily more compelling.
Senior administration officials elaborated that U.S. troops would primarily focus on southern or eastern Afghanistan — the heart of both Pashtun Afghanistan and the largely Pashtun insurgency on the porous border with the Pakistani tribal areas sheltering al-Qaeda’s senior leadership — while NATO partner nations, which currently contribute more than 30,000 troops, would bolster the north and west of Afghanistan, where security has recently deteriorated. On Friday in Brussels, NATO will hold a conference of allied foreign ministers that the administration expects to become a venue for securing several thousand new troops from partner nations.
Civilian aid to Afghanistan will be restructured, Obama indicated in the speech. In particular, the United States will emphasize agricultural development instead of big reconstruction projects to revitalize the nation’s agriculture-based economy, Obama said, to make an “immediate impact in the lives of the Afghan people.”
A senior administration official explained that the adjustment was partially inspired after recent and relatively inexpensive U.S. military projects in Afghanistan to improve or repair irrigation canals proved “extremely popular” with the locals. Those “immediate impact” development projects would be expanded, the official said, and would benefit legal “agricultural output, as opposed to poppy,” which finances the insurgency and fuels Afghan governmental corruption.
Outside of the agricultural surge, which I like, I don’t see an occupying force in hostile Pashtun territory being able to succeed any more than the first set of new forces, which went to the same area. NATO forces are very constrained by rules of engagement to make a whole lot of difference in an area where they could actually hold things together. If security is the goal, it still would have to be provided from the air – this escalation, as big as it is, is still small relative to the size of the country – and that’s destabilizing.
About that first escalation – during the campaign, Obama talked about sending 2-3 additional brigades to Afghanistan. He did that and more back in March. So to throw up our hands and say that “he told us he wanted to focus on Afghanistan” is a bit generous. He did not really say he wanted to triple the size of our military commitment in that country, which is what will have done by next summer.
I do think it was positive to set a clear standard that the effort is limited, but I’m simply not convinced that Obama will be able to extricate himself, for many of the same reasons that he didn’t now. He paradoxically announced a surge, a beginning date to pull back, and what amounts to a long-term commitment similar to our continued stays in Germany and Japan. It would be impossible to leave, given the unlikelihood of Afghan security forces, many of which are phantom names on a roster, standing up (or the Afghan government having the money to pay for them, which would be more than their GDP). As a senior Administration official said on a conference call for bloggers yesterday, America will have an “enduring interest in the region” that will continue on a political, diplomatic and economic level. Whether you think the military can be removed from that equation depends on your belief in the success of the mission.
And that’s where the shaky foundation comes in. I’m pretty clear on why we’re there – to defeat a threat in Al Qaeda that is no longer there, but in the general vicinity. That’s really it. The President, in his most hawk-like pose, detailed the threat from Al Qaeda in the FATA region and their ability to carry out attacks, citing recent threats that emanated from there. This is the core of the speech, and why the additional forces were called in, presumably:
I make this decision because I am convinced that our security is at stake in Afghanistan and Pakistan. This is the epicenter of the violent extremism practiced by al Qaeda. It is from here that we were attacked on 9/11, and it is from here that new attacks are being plotted as I speak. This is no idle danger; no hypothetical threat. In the last few months alone, we have apprehended extremists within our borders who were sent here from the border region of Afghanistan and Pakistan to commit new acts of terror.
This danger will only grow if the region slides backwards, and al Qaeda can operate with impunity. We must keep the pressure on al Qaeda, and to do that, we must increase the stability and capacity of our partners in the region.
On that call with officials, I asked about comments made by Peter Bergen, the terror expert who generally supports the Af-Pak policy, in Congressional testimony in October, describing the Al Qaeda threat to the American homeland as “low,” saying that the organization “no longer poses a direct national security threat to the United States itself, but rather poses a second-order threat.” They referred me back to this section of the speech. Najibullah Zazi getting a bunch of hair products for a bomb that is technically possible to create, but operationally extremely difficult if not impossible for anyone of limited means to pull off, is why 98,000 Americans will sit in Afghanistan next summer.
That’s just shaky to me. And it neglects the rise of Al Qaeda affiliates in Yemen and Somalia and other unstable regions of the world. I think the safe haven argument is just a red herring, in that there will always be some corner of the world that is “safe” barring total information awareness. During the speech, Obama discussed all of the other ways to defeat terror – through economic support, local law enforcement, intelligence capabilities. That was a self-negating argument, because if it’s true – and I believe it is – then the safe haven notion becomes less resonant, considering you can perform all of that regardless of where terrorists plot, be it in the FATA region or a house near the Denver airport.
Obama and his advisors, at least in the speech and conversations with reporters, truly believe that Af-Pak is the epicenter of extremism, and certainly they feel they have the intel to back that up. We really are back to “fighting them there so we don’t have to fight them here.” Whether or not you believe in the mission depends on your reaction to that statement.



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Given the report by Reuters (http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/08/13/who-is-funding-the-afghan-taliban-you-dont-want-to-know/) to the effect that a large part of the money the U.S. is spending in Afghanistan is being used (via the drug trade and the Taliban) to kill American soldiers and the report by McClatchy (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/67723.html) to the effect that many Afghan officials are personally profiting from the U.S. funding (via the drug trade and the Taliban) of the killing of U.S. soldiers, why should the U.S. spend money in Afghanistan for which there are many unmet needs in the United States?
Here are a few more questions:
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/9/2009/3534
Peeing in the wind.
I recommend Juan Cole this AM.
His Top Ten is perfect.
His Salon piece even better.
Thanks for the post David. I too like the agricultural development aspect/policy. I did not realize we needed so many troops for development efforts. I thought civilian corps could do that?
After great Deliberation and Agony, Pres. Obama did not just call for the Escalation of the “struggle” but married it with a specified end date of this Struggle through military might.
I saw in Pres. Obama a heart that bleeds for this decision for anyone whose heart center is open and active feels the pain of this task, yet, speaking with a Heavy Heart, I also heard in that speech the unspoken wish or Intent that he was going to also bring Bin Laden to justice ( the great Prize and Symbol)! I also heard the great Urgency he feels to bind up all loose nuclear threats and to prevent them from getting into those hands within Afghanistan and Pakistan which might annihilate the world as we know it. He has not made this this “call to arms” for Oil or for profit based upon a lie but a heartfelt desire to keep safe the people in the world, in the binding up of these nuclear threats to the world by this faction which he knows is still out there plotting to do harm! That in this way we are Standing up for Peace and that somehow we must go into Hell for a Heavenly cause.
I heard him also say to the Military Industrial Complex Machine that there will be an end date, and that it will not be open-ended, but that the battle for peace might call for other strategic ways to get to this goal — that giving the benefit of the doubt to his generals — he will try their way (since they are so much more knowledgeable about military than him).
As, he spoke about true security from a world without nuclear weapons (his real true goal), he also spoke about the need to unite with the world to accomplish this task because in truth, terror and nuclear weapons is a world problem! And finally, he called us to the time after 9/11, when we were all united but got deviated from the course, but to return to that Unity of purpose, one more time…. and that if he is lucky, he will bring home the Prize, Bin Ladin, break the back of this threat, and then for the weary and battle scarred-soldiers they can look onward and say, well done — yet, there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home!
Let us trust ” that there is a goodness in all of life that cannot even be eliminated by thoughts that temporarily cause you to believe that negativity is the underlying reality of human life on earth… ” (1) Let us call on that goodness to illuminate our way forward towards that peace and goodwill and seal the door where evil dwells.
1. Ron Scolastico. Doorway to the Soul
democracynow this morning played some Johnson clips that sounded pretty much like last night.
Send Texas A&M to Afghanistan, leave the troops at home.
Talk is cheap.
Live on cspan3, hearing on Afghanistan. Gates just finished testifying. Clinton’s up now.
Except when it leads to the deaths of thousands, or tens of thousands. Angellight’s mentality is what has sustained almost 9 years of endless war. *spit*
Left ya one at swim.
Wow, you’ve really fallen for the guy.
describing the Al Qaeda threat to the American homeland as “low,”
How abouts “describing the Al Qaeda threat to America ‘low,’” ?
We’re pure when we kill.
Yes, that’s exactly what I was trying to summarize. She’s really all muddled up.
Said it last night, Obama is LBJ without the legislative moxie or leadership ability. He’s fallen for the republican “democrats are weak on national defense” meme and is going for his own little land war in Asia.
The real shame of this is that the troops are going to be back in the meat grinder again, and this time it’s because there is not a whit of tactical or strategic thought from within the Oval Office, just a bending to the punditry’s excess whining about Obama not paying attention to McWestmorland in-country.
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Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That’s what’s so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders – The most famous of which is “never get involved in a land war in Asia” …
From the “Princess Bride”. A fictional character was smarter than two presidents (well, one of whom was of questionable intellect anyhow). We are ruled by morons.
My 2 cents.
I think the twit Chris Matthews stumbled on the key phrase; ‘America is no longer as innocent as in the days of FDR.’ or something close to that.
While Matthews seemed genuinely confused over the metaphor Ron Reagan gave a passionate interpretation applied to the mood of the nation.
I think Obama was speaking more for his own state of mind
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As any woman knows. You lose your innocence when you get screwed. The days of the Great Depression were in my view when Americans lost their innocence. When FDR came into office we were realizing we had been screwed. With his compassion and enduring optimism he certainly strove to revers that.
But we all know, once screwed you can’t go back. Fasten your seat belts.
Hillary sez the U.S. is gonna support the Afghan agricultural sector. Think the CIA has probably been doing that all along with their involvement in the poppy culture.
But men don’t. Perhaps that’s the problem.
Oh my. Here’s a quote from Juan Cole’s Salon piece to contemplate:
Mullin’s up at the hearings.
Shame on you. Reality is not allowed to enter the discussion. /s
Is it OK to complain about HuffPost here? This upsets me,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/oliver-willis/911-yes-911_b_376481.html
My comment,
I have a real bone to pick over the Huffington Post/all big media whitewash of 9/11.
Oh man. Again? Sheeeze.
Mullins is talking about all the U.S. failures in Afghanistan over the past year.
This was the speech that every President passes down to the next to recite in order to justify a stupid war.
I can’t tell the difference between her warhawk rhetoric and Condoleeza Rice’s warhawk rhetoric. It’s nauseating. Hillary should urge her daughter to strap on a rifle if our national security is so on the line.
I have a question: the last $600-something billion defense appropriations bill we railed against and the CPC caved on: is this where Obama’s getting the money for the escalation? Besides China, I mean.
Can I get a “hell yes”? CIA involvement/control of the opium culture probably provide funds we’ll never know about because “We the People” aren’t allowed to know a single fucking thing about their real budgetary process, and the congress critters who allegedly “oversee” them behind closed doors are either so corrupt or co-opted that oversight is a meaningless beltway shell game.
Bin Laden was a CIA creation. It’s likely that the CIA created AQ and provided it with all sorts of goodies as part of their being the proxy force against the USSR in Afghanistan. The naive view is that 911 was blowback against failed US ME policies. The informed view is that 911 was a false flag to shift the mission of the MIC and the mindset of the public from fearing the now gone communist threat to the new ever present global terrorist threat. They will strike anyway and at any time because the terrorists hate your freedoms. They are ruthless and won’t use a battle field or rules of engagement in war. Anyone and everyone is vulnerable… and if don’t believe look at 911. This threat is so huge everything and anything must be used to fight it. You’ll be giving up your constitutional rights, your treasure and your blood and you’ll be assuring that your strategic interests and way of life are protected by the MIC.
Cui bono?
Look at the evidence of what happened on 911. What you saw was not 19 hijackers with boxcutters. You saw the first shock and awe, an extremely complex operation which was far beyond the capability of AQ, our trained anti communist foot soldiers.
Don’t be fooled by the slight of hand and the unrelenting propaganda and lies about 911. It was a bait and switch and the world has bit the bait bigtime.
Who runs America? Why do we need 100,000 troops to fight 100 Al Qaeda which is allegedly not even in Afghanistan? What are those 100,000 troops doing? Who are they fighting? And what evidence is there that this enemy is a threat to our shores?
Who runs America? Cui Bono?
Yea, Hillary’s militarism is a sight to behold.
Hell yes.
Don’t forget the help the CIA got from ISI and the Saudis.
Levin’s getting into the weeds on Afghan troops partnering with U.S. troops in Helmand province. Some cliche about forest & trees comes to mind.
Gates is pulling a Rice. Gobbling up time thru meaningless details.
McCain sez it’s only fair to tell the American people that the surge will result in more American causualties. Mullins agrees.
All the intel services work together to shore up the oligarchs hegemony. The intel services with the control over the military ARE the enforcers and the operations arm of the oligarchs. They are allowed to work in secrecy, they are not answerable to the people and they are allowed to hide behind TOP SECERT and veils of security clearance, plausible deniability and all sorts of illegal activity. They are alowed to infilitrate all the media and control the message. Our representaives have given this tool to the oligarchs who use it against whomever they must.
They assassinate, and they stage false flags. 911 was a false flag that THEY staged.
See Project Gladio
McCain pressuring Gates on whether U.S. withdrawal depends on conditions on the ground. Gates stonewalls.
It’s all smoke and mirrors. Debate and discuss and compare to this war and that war. The MIC goes on and on and grows by leaps and bounds.
And, you were expecting what?
Agree. But mildly interesting to see the specfic conduct of the kabuki.
I’m liveblogging this one, not opinionating. Well, except for my snark tags. Don’t have to add a snark on what the pols & the military say, as they are self-mocking.
The problem with Flag Officers in general is that they are just as much politicians as anyone else inside the Beltway. There are some who have not been outside the DC environment for years, and whose sole purpose in life is to protect their fiefdom(s) with respect to funding, visibility (which ensures funding) and sustainability of their programs (funding, again). So listening to the Admirals and Generals is not always the right thing to do. There has been an appalling lack of reliance on the State Department and NGOs that could provide information on conducting non-military operations in SW Asia (IMHO), and that’s what really hurts us.
The other night Dan Rather, on TRMS said that Afghan literacy is 10%. 10%. A number that if higher might do more to stabilize the country in the long term than any amount of troops, gee-whiz weaponry, contractor dollars and other stupidity will ever do. But adding troops is a “feel good” option for the Beltway Weasel Brigade, it’s short-term and provides good PR for those who think we can actually make a difference militarily. As long as about 10% of the population is able engage in actual informed consent about their government, they will be ruled by guns. Ours or some one else’s. I’m not implying that Afghans are stupid, just that a literate person has a far better chance of weighing the options about their future.
Shorter McCain: You were successful in Iraq with this strategy, I have no doubt that this strategy will fail in Afghanistan.
McCain wants Hillary’s detailed plan. She’ll be happy to provide it.
Levin’s doing confirmation process.
HoJo up … Angels rend their Wings !
Oh dear, Lieberman’s up. I might have to go into the bathroom and vomit in the toilet.
Good one.
Fuck Mccain…you lost and your party DITHERED for 8 years, screw you.
Don’t ever back down.
Hiya, Petro!
McCain has cast a valid argument in a dickwad manner, as only he can. He’d be ticked if there wasn’t an end date too …
Shorter version. Why is asking the U.S. military how to conduct war a good idea? When was the last time it won a war against a real adversary?
Not to mention, as you point out, that nonmilitary actions (or noninvolvement) would often be a much better approach. But that is never considered.
How’s it going, eh ?
He’s just an angry old man. Interesting, with senility the rise in testiness usually comes later in the day, called “sundowning.”
New post up top…
France & Germany refuse to commit more Troops – via rawstory
Hmmm. Seems like the guys are setting up Hillary for the failure. “Must get our allies to go along.” “Must get Afghan civilians on our side.” etc.
I saw that. See my 56.
Shorter HoJo: Let’s build more Swimming Pools in Afghanistan !
Good Luck to anyone trying that with HRC … she is smarter and shrewder than all the men in this room.
First, I think it is always a very good idea to ask. Second, I think the U.S. Military has performed well with the jobs they have been tasked with.
The end-all, be-all reason we will stay there is NOT to defeat the already defeated Al Qaeda, not to defeat the Taliban (per se), and not to bring freedom and liberty to Afghanistan. THE reason of reasons is the same old same old: energy pipeline. THE reason is corporate profits for a few US companies and slavery for Afghan workers.
Shock Doctrine baby, all for a few corporate energy CEOs. Nothing more, nothing less.
Excellent.
That means the “coalition of the willing, Afghanistan” will be…the US plus a handful of pathetic donations from Poland. Maybe a stray Japanese soldier (without a weapon) too.
The faster this shit bankrupts our military-industrial-government the faster we can reform our country into something resembling what the Founders actually intended.
So, they are putting 100,000 troops in Afghanistan to combat 100 Al-Q. Hmmmmmm. Could it be those troops will be sitting there, poised to take action should things in Pakistan get really weird? Just askin’.
Yes, I was disappointed that he did not talk about what the troops would be doing tactically. Nor did he give me hope that a deployment concentrating in population centers would allow the flexibility of withdrawal if necessary.
I was also disappointed that he did not talk about the regional diplomatic framework that might help this work.
I think the Obama campaign machine [or perhaps even "Organizing for America"] has given folks their marching orders and sent them to the blogs to post laudatory items re Obama and his “difficult decision.”
As always with this lunacy-pimping, the $64 questions are:
If we achieve an enlightened state of harmony in Afghanistan by cramming another big load of troops into the place, what is there to indicate that the Afghans can or will sustain that when we leave?
And if (as I firmly believe to be the case) the answer to THAT is “NOTHING”, then the next question is:
Is Obama willing to keep our military there permanently? And if so, could he please tell the voters that?
(I think, if we’re still wallowing in this bloody La Brea East in 2012, and maybe sooner, the voters will make him pay. And they should.)
Yeah, and a sledge hammer can drive a nail into sheet rock, but it’s not always the preferred solution.
That is what I have been arguing for a long time now. We have no policy to justify our presence in Afghanistan. Hearkening back to 9/11 and al Qaeda when al Qaeda is no longer really in the country just underlines that fact. We continue to have an army in search of a policy to explain why it is there.
Also as I pointed out in a comment last night (and as an addition to my Afghanistan entry (9) of my Obama scandals list), Obama is essentially proposing to remake the country in the next 18 months. It’s not going to happen.
So we are looking at no policy and a foredoomed strategy. More death and destruction to no purpose and when our resources are desperately needed at home.
Petrocelli @ 59: “Good luck at trying that with HRC. She is smarter and shrewder than all of the men in this room.”
I giggle. :o)
All that shrewdness and smartness is why she lost a nomination that was all but in her hand, by embracing the rightwing like it was Johnny Depp? And was stupid enough to throw her natural constituency, the progressives, under the bus, a la the John-McCain-would-make-a-better-commander-in-chief-than-Obama route, and other “savvy” moves? :o) And her learning curve isn’t show a lot of improvement:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091202/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_afghanistan;_ylt=AhAUgkC1bBdxinRDrMrm3I6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTJ2NGg4cWlmBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMjAyL3VzX3VzX2FmZ2hhbmlzdGFuBGNwb3MDMQRwb3MDMgRwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX3RvcF9zdG9yeQRzbGsDZ2F0ZXNtdWxsZW5j
This little troika stepping into the shoes of Cheyney-Rumsfeld-Rice, should tell us all we need to know about Hillary…if we needed to be reminded.
When Obama chose to give her State, it was a really bad harbinger of his judgemental qualities. And, we aint seen nuthin’ yet.
Politically, I think he’s going to be awfully vulnerable in 2012. This latest decision practically guarantees it. If I’m right, then I make it about 50-50 that Clinton will find that situation irresistable, and will bail out of State to run against him.
It won’t be Clinton-savvy; it’ll just be a stab-in-the-back, only, with a dagger that he himself sharpened. It’ll be hard to get too outraged, if you’re an Obama supporter.
(Which I am juuust about to stop being. :o) )
n fact, these little repeated wind-breaks in Obama’s policy-face that she keeps emitting, are aimed at reminding everyone that she is somehow different from him.
No matter that ragging on the Pakis for not doing enough in the waronterrr; publicly bitching about the fact that he was dragging his feet on some State appointments that he didn’t like; and praising Netanyahu for throwing the Palestinians a bone (no meat!) with regard to slowing-down the pace of squeezing the Palestinians out of existence, ALL point out what most progressives already know:
That the cut of her cloth still comes from the bushCo tailors.
Y’all, we be’s in deep ca-ca.
To bad so many posting to FDL didn’t get Obama’s “message” as clearly as you did.
Thanks for at least trying to the show art of Obama’s statements to some of my fellow “blind man” libs…
Gary Leupp at CounterPunch:
The Soviets were trying to protect the secular government in Afghanistan and to discourage Islamic fundamentalism, a potential threat to the neighboring Soviet Central Asian republics such as Uzbekistan.
But recall there was a time when the U.S. State Department was hell-bent to drive a secular government out of Afghanistan—one that wanted to educate girls and establish local clinics and curb the power of the tribal chiefs and mullahs—and determined to assist the most profoundly reactionary forces in Afghanistan with Gulbuddin Hekmatyar at their head in establishing an alternative Islamist regime. Jimmy Carter’s national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski thought the pro-Soviet Saur Revolution in 1978, in which left-wing Afghan Army officers staged a coup and the Democratic People’s Party seized power, producing a backlash from the mullahs and tribal chiefs, was a golden Cold War opportunity.
Even before Soviet forces crossed the border in December 1979, the CIA was organizing Afghan and international forces to challenge the leftish government and Brzezinski was urging the fighters to view their struggle as a jihad or Holy War.
The sins of U.S. imperialism in Afghanistan are just staggering. Imagine what might have happened had the U.S. just stayed out of Afghan affairs from the late 1970s and allowed that experiment in secular, reformist government in a highly conservative Muslim society to take its course without billions in arms to precisely the sort of fighters who are being vilified as “Islamic extremists” and “terrorists” today.”
george:
Obama never brought up the actual history of U.S. involvment in the internal affairs of Afghanistan. There’s a reason for that of course. For example it has absolutely nothing to do with either “protecting our national security” or “securing democracy and freedom for the Afghani people.”
Forgot to wear you tin foil hat and take your meds today did we kindGSL@22!
The batshit crazy 9/11 conspisory theories like you are pushing are so “grassy knoll”…
Including the deadline while knowing that you won’t be able to hold yourself to it, and thus are likely shortening your presidential stint by 4 years, tells me that the Presidency of Mr. Barrack Obama is about Revolution.
A Cry From The Nether Lands…
A lot of folks compare the American involvement in Afghanistan to that in Vietnam. I’m not a historian, but it appears to me that this situation ia more similar to Nazi Germany in 1938/1939. Like al-Qaeda and it’s so-called “jihad”, Nazi Germany intended to subjugate the British Empire and other entities under its rule. Like prior to WWII, peace-loving (but
misguided) Americans did not want the United States to get involved in the “European Situation”.
al-Qaeda has declared worldwide “jihad” against non Muslim “infidels”. The more militant elements of the Taliban and similar organizations have spread their influence, along with their version of Islamic law into Pakistan, India, Somalia, Indonesia, the Philippines, etc. Now there is somewhat of an alliance between al-Qaeda and these militant Taliban. However, neither has had a totally safe haven except for Afghanistan. Both have the very real potential of destabilizing the entire Indian subcontinent, Southeast Asia and a great part of Africa. They’ve been proven to have cells in most countries, including the United States.
It would be naive to believe that conventional warfare can make a dent in this sort of movement. However, if the NATO alliance can counteract the influence of the Taliban in Afghanistan, it could have a ripple effect in the rest of the area. This has to be a war of ideals. The Afghans know first-hand what it’s like to live under the control of the Taliban. Now we have a chance to let them know the advantages of living in a free and just society. The Taliban and al-Qaeda are deadly opposed to this effort. Given the realities of the situation, it is impossible to accomplish this goal without a major military presence. The Afghan people are war-weary and want nothing more than to have their economy, infrastructure, health care facilities, schools, etc. rebuilt. It has to be the main goal of the NATO alliance to help them achieve this, and the military effort is necessary to protect the civilian efforts in this endeavor.
I have no illusions that the “jihadist” efforts of al-Qaeda and the Taliban can be stopped in Afghanistan or even in Pakistan. This is a worldwide insurgency and we will be fighting this battle for many decades to come. The roots of victory must be established in the good will of the people of the world, and particularly in third world countries, and poor
populations in developed countries, who would be vulnerable to “Islamist” propaganda.
As long as it pleases Mr. Obama’s bosses that’s the main object. Oh. That’s not you or me unless you happen to be a multi-billionaire.
the enemy is us not them.
this is an imperialist nation and until americans wake up to that reality we will continue to have these wars for profits.
this is a country based in self righteousness that loves their military
even calls them heroes for fighting in these wars for profits
we are an immoral nation pretending to be this religious moral nation
does anyone have any idea of the suffering we have caused in nam, iraq, and afghan?
only a complete economic meltdown will stop america and its war machine from causing suffering throughout the world.
the terrorists hit us where it hurt the most. our materialism towers.
since 9/11 it has been downhill ever since
they won we lost that one
we are in two inwinable wars with muslim countries.
the terrorists could not have asked for a better outcome.
the muslim hatred for us grows even deeper and this pleases both our war machine and the terrorists.
and of course our hatred for the muslims grows even deeper and this pleases both the terrorists and our war machine.
and if you dont think we have a war machine you are another dumbed down american and you have lots of company.
even ike warned us of our war machine way back in 1961
Bullshit. We’re there so that the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India natural gas pipeline can be safely built and maintained, along with some other real and imagined geopolitical interests. Just wish they (O-man included) would give us the straight poop instead of talking down to us like third graders. Protect us from terrorists my ass.
I do not believe the only reason we are there is to protect us from terrorists in the US. That was Bush’s argument, & just having another president repeat that line does not make it true.
As I heard Senator Collins ask earlier today – since al Qaeda is in about 20 countries now, why should we dedicate all these resources to just one of these countries, Afghanistan? I didn’t hear a good answer.