The President will delay his trip to Copenhagen for a week, showing up at the end of the conference rather than the beginning of the conference. David Roberts explains why this matters:
The first week of every COP meeting consists of posturing, speeches, protests, and NGO reports. Everything of significance to the treaty is announced late in the meetings, often on the last day, after a flurry of last-minute negotiations. Coming to Copenhagen at the climax of the talks, specifically to push negotiations “over the top,” as the White House statement says, is a risky move for Obama. He’s got skin in the game now; he’ll look foolish if he rides in at the last minute and fails to broker an agreement.
If he’s willing to stick his neck out like this, Obama must be pretty confident that he can get a deal. There have been signs of momentum for weeks now. The much-discussed deal with China was just one in a raft of commitments from the developing countries, including India and Brazil. Movement from the developing world has undercut one of U.S. conservatives’ principal arguments for inaction. Over 65 world leaders have pledged to attend.
Roberts also notes that the EPA will finalize its rule on CO2 on Monday, the first day of the Copenhagen conference. The EPA rulemaking has always been the hammer to force the Congress to act – either Congress will set up a system to regulate carbon, or the EPA will do it themselves, and they have every legal right (under a Supreme Court ruling) to do so.
Everyone knows that this White House is cautious. The President would have to be pretty convinced of the potential for an agreement to shift his schedule. Maybe his last trip to Copenhagen, to try and bring the 2016 Olympics to Chicago, was a mulligan. I think signs point to this trip going better.
The Copenhagen conference begins on Monday.




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There’s nothing to respond to. The ClimateGate whistleblower has proven what everybody already knows, the Climate Crisis is a hoax and a fraud…
Uh could this deal involve Cap and Trade?
Yeah I used to play hockey every year on a lake that was frozen the entire way by Christmas break in highschool.
Now the lake is unfrozen in the center in january. That and the Canadian Geese don’t even bother migrating south any more they eat corn from our mostly unsnow covered fields.
Global Warming is fake/s
Taking Action Against Carbon Trade: What the Clouds Say
“”Carbon Trade is a Big Charade” and “Keep the Cap and Ditch the Trade”.”
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/12/05-3
So explain just how mocking non-scientist climate change deniers in emails is proof that “the climate crisis is a hoax and a fraud…”?
Because they had to write the reports for small minds to understand? The one thing I can never get a denier to explain is “what if it is YOU that’s wrong and all the folks working the science to predict the negative effects of climate change are correct?”
The real crisis is that emails can be stolen from a private server in Great Britain and their meaning twisted by the carbon-producing shills in our media to make it seem like snarky comments about climate denialists mean that there is no climate crisis.
Nothing in the emails disproves global climate change. The entire “-gate” is a red herring. People who have billions invested in the carbon economy will grasp at any straw, and lead their punked followers off any cliff, to maintain their carbon hegemony.
I don’t think Cap and Trade will work. Brazil will stop poor farmers from burning down forests to plant?
Big polluters won’t fix the pollution sensors to show they are not polluting? Who gets rich off Cap and Trade except the banks?
Right because a few e-mails without context or frame of reference is enough to debunk millions of pages of scientific data.
Climate change deniers are like evolution deniers: they form the theory first and then fit facts into it instead of doing it the other way around.
Would not U.S. compliance with any agreement he signs be contingent on Congressional approval?
I’d love to see Exxon-Mobil’s emails
I think W freed the presidency from that pesky treaty approval requirement by Congress, with his Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq. Now, it appears, the president can simply make agreements with foreign governments without regard to Congress.
Cap and Trade will benefit banks but the oil industry hates it so banker senators vs oil senators it should be interesting to see who wins.
I’m hoping for a real deal. All Cars made in the Western world hybrids. Heck China has higher Miles Per Gallon mandates than we do just getting our cars up to China’s standards would be a win as far as I’m concerned.
If there’s a treaty signed, yes ratification would require Congressional approval.
That has hammered a few treaties over the years (Kyoto as a prime example but also includes some of the arms control treaties from both parties’ presidents).
But like all presidents, Obama can issue an “Executive Order” (they still have use no matter how much they were abused by GWB) that would require the Federal departments and agencies to comply with however much is applicable to their efforts.
Kind of the half a loaf approach.
You mean they don’t communicate via smoke signals?
With Lord Blankenfein pulling the strings; his will shall be done.
I means they haven’t been hacked – yet
Thanks for the info. Might be only a baby step but (hopefully) a start nonetheless.
I just meant that e-mail probably doesn’t have a large enough carbon footprint to satisfy them.
What if Hawaii had geo thermal power like Iceland and used it to power electric cars instead of importing oil? That alone would cut allot of our carbon footprint.
Alaska has geo thermal potential to plus then they could sell us more oil too.
Drop oil demand lower the price of oil boost the economy.
Give Alaska more jobs we win Sarah’s home state.
I left Hawai’i in ’82 after I got out of the USAF. At the time, a lot of folks had started going with at least passive solar hot water heaters for their homes and I’d imagine there’s been an increase for solar power usage at least in single family homes there.
There was also an experimental station for trying to harness ocean currents and such. Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion (OTEC)
We need this everywhere we got tides.
Cheap energy means cheaper manufacturing costs the GOP only sees cutting labor costs thing is we can’t compete with the third world that way. But cheap energy free fuel YES WE CAN!
Oh yeah, the geese are probably drowning too, right? The gig is up folks. Being one of Al Gore’s minnion hacks doesn’t mean a thing to us realdemocrats….you flat-earthers who have taken over the democratic Party don’t scare us much….
Now this is some organic stuff worth believing in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW1SjwA3iv8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_thermal_energy_conversion
I like it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_thermal_energy_conversion
Maybe the UN might be interested if we get Africa water? as well as power.
Geese Drowning nope now they got a place to swim all winter when they are not eating corn.
LOLOL
Don’t worry, here in California, we have Arnold, Feinstein, and Fabian Nunez as our Global Warming hypocrites…
yeah, you are a real democrat all right, you put us pretenders to shame.
What did you think of the video?
Yep, 35 years a democrat….and not ashamed to be a “real” one either….
Wow. Just. Wow.
I don’t know where you’ve been for the past 36/37 years but sure sounds like you’ve been pulling a Rip Van Winkle. I haven’t heard an accusation like that about the Dem party since 1972.
We’ve been driving to work in our gasoline powered cars…and we intend on doing it the future. Not living our lives as if in an Ayn Rand novel…
Well, gotta go recycle my aluminum cans and plastic bottles now….it’s been fun.
There are some serious non sequiturs working here.
Both of the guy’s carburetors seem defective.
The Norweigans should either rescind his Peace Prize Or make Obomber sit on it & spin till it disappears up his warmongering ass.
Book Salon up at the Mothership with Mark Kleiman’s When Brute Force Fails hosted by bmaz
Cap and Trade won’t work. Here’s the fun version:
http://www.cartoonkate.co.uk/pdf/CarbonSupermarket.pdf
If they were serious, they’d all sign an international treaty to keep the grease in the ground. If you want to limit oil and coal consumption, you’ve got to limit oil and coal production, it’s as simple as that.
Yes, that’s right. We’ve had accurate quantitative assessments of the greenhouse effect caused by increased atmospheric carbon dioxide for more than a century now, but everyone knows they’re false.
Global warming has always been a hoax. Only the Al Gore Diehard Fanclub of gullibles ever believed in global warming. Oh, I almost forgot, didn’t Al Gore once tell us he invented the internet too. The United States citizens shouldn’t be so naive as to believe every “bleeding heart liberal lie” that they are told.
Svante Arrhenius didn’t quite make the cut for “bleeding heart liberals.”
The scientist who convinced the world to take notice of the looming danger of global warming says it would be better for the planet and for future generations if next week’s Copenhagen climate change summit ended in collapse.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/02/copenhagen-climate-change-james-hansen