On July 20, President Obama held a conference call with progressive bloggers abut health care reform. The key moment I want to hone in on now with that conversation was this exchange:
The House bills and the Senate bills will not be identical. We know this. The politics are different, because the makeup of the Senate and the House are different and they operate on different rules. I am not interested in making the best the enemy of the good. There will be a conference committee where the House and Senate bills will be reconciled, and that will be a tough, lengthy and serious negotiation process.
I am less interested in making sure there’s a litmus test of perfection on every committee than I am in going ahead and getting a bill off the floor of the House and off the floor of the Senate. Eighty percent of those two bills will overlap. There’s going to be 20 percent that will be different in terms of how it will be funded, its approach to the public plan, its pay-or-play provisions. We shouldn’t automatically assume that if any of the bills coming out of the committees don’t meet our test, that there is a betrayal or failure. I think it’s an honest process of trying to reconcile a lot of different interests in a very big bill.
Conference is where these differences will get ironed out. And that’s where my bottom lines will remain: Does this bill cover all Americans? Does it drive down costs both in the public sector and the private sector over the long-term. Does it improve quality? Does it emphasize prevention and wellness? Does it have a serious package of insurance reforms so people aren’t losing health care over a preexisting condition? Does it have a serious public option in place? Those are the kind of benchmarks I’ll be using. But I’m not assuming either the House and Senate bills will match up perfectly with where I want to end up. But I am going to be insisting we get something done.
Clearly the Senate bill is falling down along some of those bottom lines. Taking the President at his word, that would mean that he would aim to fix those elements in conference and return it to the House and Senate with instructions to pass.
Except, Greg Sargent reports, it’s highly likely that there will be no conference committee, with the House expected to accept whatever the Senate passes.
Beyond the behind-the-scenes skirmishing, though, lurks a larger question: Once the Senate reaches a compromise, can the House do anything to have an impact on it in conference negotiations over the final bill? Or will House Dems more or less have to go along with the Senate version?
Congressional aides say that the White House will set expectations along these lines. One aide points out that with the White House signaling a tight timeline, it’s very likely that House Dems will be expected by the White House to accede to the Senate version.
That has some GOP aides already chortling that the public option is headed for defeat. “If you’re looking for a Waterloo, the public option’s is fast approaching,” one emails. “Whatever comes out of the Senate will undoubtedly be in the final bill and it sounds like Lieberman and Snowe have their hands on the wheel.”
Some of this is trash-talk from GOP aides. But the timeline is certainly coming from the White House. They want a win and they want it within a very narrow time frame; in fact, they’re still talking about signing a bill before the end of the year. Other bills this year, most notably the credit card bill, didn’t have a conference committee because there was “not enough time” to get one done before the self-imposed deadline. In that case, too, the House just up and passed the Senate bill.
One part of the bill Obama did not publicly celebrate at the signing, a gun amendment. The measure by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., allows people to bring loaded guns into national parks and wildlife refuges [...]
Democrats lawmakers and aides said they didn’t have enough time to send the bill to the House-Senate conference committee – where the gun provision could have been removed without a vote – and still get the bill to Obama by the Memorial Day weekend as he requested.
If you think that there’s definitely going to be a conference committee where the House can impose its will and move the bill in a different direction, just look at the recent history of the credit card bill. It lends a lot of credence to Sargent’s reporting.
And if you think that’s OK, that the Senate product will help a lot of people and we should affirmatively shut out one branch of Congress from the lawmaking process, think about this insurance industry insider’s reaction to the Senate bill, and particularly the move to kill the public option:
“We WIN,” the insider writes.
UPDATE: Ryan Grim has additional reporting, also pointing to a “ping-ponging” of the bill into the House from the Senate with jamming of progressives to support the bill.



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I’m 57 years old and don’t think there has ever been any bill that I’ve been interested in that has been “fixed when it gets to the Conference Committee?”
It. Does. Not. Happen.
Oh, conservative bills got “fixed” in conference all the time under Bush43. They ripped out every liberal amendment that passed on the floor, and they did this routinely. Democrats would eat shit and not filibuster.
Yeah, but that’s pretty much my point. No bill seems like it ever comes out of committee remotely as liberal as either of the bills that went in.
Does this bill cover all Americans? No.
Does it drive down costs both in the public sector and the private sector over the long-term. Not until we loose payment for proceedure.
Does it improve quality? Not for the uninsured.
Does it emphasize prevention and wellness? Not until BIg Ag is fixed.
Does it have a serious package of insurance reforms so people aren’t losing health care over a preexisting condition? See affordable.
Does it have a serious public option in place? No. You took single payer off the table.
This isn’t terribly surprising. It’s one key reason why the thinking all along has been that Stupack language needs to be *out* of the Senate bill:
* if it was in and there was Conference, there would be no different and it would stay in
* if there’s an attempt to cramdown the Senate bill on Progressives, they would have a hard time doing it with the Stupack amendment.
There were quite a few progressive who held their nose and voted for the post-Stupack final House bill because they had been promised by Leadership that the Senate wouldn’t pass similar language and it would get yanked out in conference.
This is a bit of a double edged sword here. Unless Harry, the White House & Co. come up with something in the place of the PO that makes progressives in the House happy enough to again hold their nose, there’s a big risk. No much margin for error in the voting numbers.
John
Just sent this email to Home Depot:
Since Home Depot supports Rep. Stupak and Rep. Stupak wants to limit women’s reproductive rights I will no longer spend my dollars at your establishment. I probably spend $500 or $600 at my local home depot. No more.
I think they mean “fixed” like a dog is neutered.
It’s way past time for Obama or anyone else for that matter to specifically define what is the enemy, what is best or perfect or even good when talking like this.
That said.. clearly… even a lousy excuse for a PO is the enemy in Obama’s eyes..
You’d be better off using your local hardware store anyhow.
down stairs tomthumb quotes a new york times’ piece’
to me that’s the way we should go in the first place, it’s cute trick the republicans use on us all the time, if the democrats can pull that off they are offering as “a compromise” a better program then the one on the table
nice stuff if it works, even if it doesn’t, you bargain from strenght not weakness and that sets the stage nicely
Okay, two-party-tards, this is the moment when you get to watch whether the D party is even capable of walking the progressive walk. Any “bubut SARAH PALIN!!!1″ after this point ought to be answered with Nietzsche-class death by laughter.
yup
home depot had an incredibly destructive business model;
buy everything in bulk and sell it at a far lower mark-up then theY could and sustain
put everyone locally out of business, then have more buying power and insist on lower prices still from the supplier
wait until that puts the local vendor out of business
then sell at list price
then the manufacturer will use their volume to buy bulk from overseas and we lose jobs and get an inferior product
BRILLIANT!
them bargain with localities for paying lower sales tax even while charging full sales tax at the register
BRILLIANT!!!
then use more resources, more roads, more “commons” then anyone else but pay less then the aggrigate should command
BRILLIANT!!!
“Nietzsche-class death by laughter”—don’t know what that is exactly, but it sure sounds funny.
“Nietzsche
WORD WEB;
Have to admit that seeing someone using language and supposed ‘insults’ of this type does tend to make me think the person uttering such phrases is more of an agit-prop type than someone who could truly claim to care about people.
Progressive Not So Much.
My big insight into HD & Loews was when I discovered that they didn’t have any more skus (shop-keeping-units) than the local hardware store, they just had more inventory for each unit. And they are often out of stock. I have a couple of times found the local HW store had something in stock that the HD or Loews didn’t. And I’d guess if you’re doing a large project, the local store would be willing to swing a discount.
This is getting very very interesting. It’s looking increasingly likely that the Senate bill’s public option will suck, and it won’t have the Stupak language. I don’t think either of these 2 things can make it through the house, where the lines in the sand have been firmly drawn, about 10 miles deeper than they were for the credit card bill. I really think the Senate is going to have to pass something like the House bill in reconciliation.
Oh geez, Whitehouse is acting completely wishy washy on Tweety.
Aside from this latest maneuver, which has yet to play out, there will probably be at least one more “fuckery” gambit played.
It’s just a question of “by whom?” isn’t it?
OMG, Whitehouse sez the future of the D party depends on passing a [crappy] bill. Guess he’s warning us about a mushroom cloud.
I have to say, this leaves me completely blindsided. I was never under any illusions that the bill would be “fixed” in conference to anything close to my personal satisfaction. But it’s completely news to me that there might not even be a conference and a battle to reconcile Senate and House bills.
I’ve remained an agnostic on the “kill the bill” question in large measure because, like PDA and CNA/NNOC, I’ve been waiting to see what emerges from conference. If the Senate bill is the only one in play, I’m closer than ever to advocating that House progressives hand Obama a loss.
But, but, but, Whitehouse sez it’ll be Gotterdammerung if there is no bill.
I”m with you RB . . . been waiting to see what comes out.
I’m MORE concerned now, than before however, that the time line between what DOES come out (with or without conference) and the time Obama signs it, is so narrow as to preclude a might public outcry.
N THAT’S a strategy I hafta believe is in place, maybe by both dem’s and pugs.
However, and I mean this sincerely, if Obama signs a crap piece of legislation there will be all hell to pay and he will lose the ’10 and the ’12 in one fell swoop. NO jobs creation or war policy can save him, or the dem’s, if they pass shit legislation for HCR that’s a total giveaway with mandates for private insurers.
Or any reforms on DELIVERY of care (and I don’t MEAN Medicare).
Sigh.
Tough. If you can’t deliver, you should be fired.
Fineman on Hardball still talking about a conference bill, fwiw.
And Tweety luvs him now, saying to Fineman he’ll “shoot up the leadership ladder in the Senate!”
Well the ConservaDems have been nibelungen away at the edges of genuine reform for the last year, and now there’s nothing left the rest of us can sink our teeth into.
And if you think that’s OK, that the Senate product will help a lot of people and we should affirmatively shut out one branch of Congress from the lawmaking process, think about this insurance industry insider’s reaction to the Senate bill, and particularly the move to kill the public option:
“We WIN,” the insider writes.
In fact, this is the end for the beltway industry insiders and government by bribery. If the Senate backs up and passes a good public option bill, WE win. If they pass a terrible bill there’s going to be hell to pay, ie, they lose. What that insider assumes is that the progressive force, a black swan now in emergence, did not forsee the old worn politics of “slow betrayal”; they assume that the progressives have been and are sitting around scratching their heads saying “What happened?”
We know what happened, and this time, to Rahmy and other’s chagrin, they, the soft-core corrupt ones, are going to be called to account for it by their constituents.
However, and I mean this sincerely, if Obama signs a crap piece of legislation there will be all hell to pay and he will lose the ‘10 and the ‘12 in one fell swoop. NO jobs creation or war policy can save him, or the dem’s, if they pass shit legislation for HCR that’s a total giveaway with mandates for private insurers.
Their black swan has taken flight, and just because the conservadems are going to pay in ’10 and ’12, and maybe some other spineless Dems along with them, does not mean that the progressives will lose in ’10 and ’12.
Just shoot me.
Go ahead, Dem leaders: you’ve already killed off a whole lotta my patients.
No conference committee? Ruin for Reid next year. Ruin for Obama in 2012. The worst possible political suffering and career death upon them, the CorpraDems, and Blue Dogs.
In the most peaceful and non-violent sense, of course: through the polling booth.
For us to really live, the Vichy Dems must die. Politically (and only so).
And then congratulate their opponent and live on to lobby. And, if there’s any justice, be indicted.
So mote it be.
Good gods. The Senate bill is already toxic.
New Progressive Party in 2012. For those of us tired of evil.
Croak!
Obama is not helping make things better. On the contrary, he is pushing a reactionary, corporate-friendly agenda. This guy is DLC through and through.
To make matters worse, here comes the Pete Peterson “cat food commission,” with Obama’s blessing.
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