Barbara Boxer has just offered a motion to table the Nelson amendment that would restrict abortion coverage access. Rather than requiring a 60-vote threshold or subject to a cloture vote, tabling the amendment needs an up or down vote to succeed. Tabling an amendment essentially kills it. Boxer obviously feels confident that she has 51 votes to table.
Voting is happening now.
…Blanche Lincoln voted to table. Everything else is as expected, for now.
…Kent Conrad just voted no on tabling the amendment. So did Byron Dorgan. There’s not a huge margin for error here.
…Mary Landrieu and Mark Begich just voted to table. As did Tim Johnson of South Dakota.
…Jon Tester votes aye. I’m really only mentioning the votes that are in any way in doubt.
…Evan Bayh votes no. That’s four Democratic no votes, by my count (add Ben Nelson)… oh, and Bob Casey, so that’s five.
…Susan Collins votes aye, and you would have to expect Olympia Snowe to follow suit. I think tabling is likely to pass, at this point.
…Joe Lieberman votes aye, along with Olympia Snowe, to table the Nelson amendment.
…Interesting to see the contrasts between the House and Senate. Over 55% of the House voted for the Stupak amendment, But I think we’ll get 56 or 57% of the Senate in the other direction. That’s a function of needing a larger fundraising base, and also a certain fellow in charge of the D-Trip named Rahm Emanuel.
So the Nelson amendment has been tabled by a vote of 54-45. Waiting on a roll call. I’m missing a couple Democrats who voted against tabling.
So the question becomes, what now? Ben Nelson has threatened to filibuster the underlying bill if the abortion language didn’t change. It’s not changing through a standalone amendment, at least. There’s obviously going to have to be more negotiation, as Harry Reid said today:
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said, “If the Nelson amendment fails, I’m happy to work with him on this. If he doesn’t succeed, I’m happy to work with him on something else.”
Watch for some changes to be slipped into a manager’s amendment, but if there’s anything that goes beyond what Barbara Boxer or some of the pro-choice Democrats support, that will cause further problems. So the answer, like so much in this health care debate, is, who the hell knows?
UPDATE: Rep. Lois Capps, whose language on this issue was essentially preserved by the Senate, emails this response:
“I am pleased that my colleagues in the Senate voted to oppose the restrictive Nelson/Hatch amendment and maintained the current commonsense compromise approach on abortion services in the health insurance reform bill,” said Capps. “This amendment was far too extreme, going well beyond current law to deny private health insurance coverage of abortion services in the U.S. Its adoption would have meant more women would have their reproductive health choices made by politicians and anti-choice zealots in Washington , DC instead of by themselves and their doctors. As I have said time and again – comprehensive health insurance reform legislation is not the place to be re-debating federal abortion policy, nor is it the place to dramatically expand or contract access to abortion services. The Senate’s current approach closely mirrors my language which was originally included in the House bill. This compromise approach ensures that federal funds do not pay for abortions but allows continued access to this legal medical procedure.”
UPDATE II: The other two Democrats to vote against tabling were Ted Kaufman (D-DE) and Mark Pryor (D-AR).
UPDATE III: Here’s Diana DeGette of the Pro-Choice Caucus in the House:
“I am delighted the U.S. Senate has rejected an extreme amendment that would have turned back the clock on a woman’s right to choose. The underlying Senate bill already prohibits federal funding of abortion. The amendment the Senate rejected today was an attempt to use health care reform to restrict women’s access to reproductive health services. Throughout the conference process, pro-choice Members will be working to ensure that health care reform legislation does not restrict abortion rights beyond current law. Over 40 Members of the House have vowed not to support a conference report that further restricts a woman’s right to choose.”
She keeps in everyone’s mind the threat of voting down any bill with Stupak language intact.
UPDATE IV: Nelson was not really definitive in his remarks tonight:
“What happened tonight makes it harder to be supportive. We’ll see what happens,” Nelson said after the vote.
Nelson said he isn’t going to work with Reid on a compromise, “I had no Plan B. I’m not looking for a Plan B, but others may be,” he said, adding, “I always listen to the leader if the leader had something to say.”
I’d say Nelson is a prime candidate to go yes on cloture and no on the final bill, if he is satisfied on other counts.



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Dorgan voted no as did Bayh.
I vote to table Joe Lieberman.
Liarman and Snowe vote to table.
yea. What is that thing you always say about our friend, Joe?
Go Boxer!
Was it in Co-Presidents Snowe and Lieberman interest to vote this way? I.e. self-interest?
54 to 45 it is tabled
May I just say one quick thing about Evan Bayh?
Ah – never mind, I’ve said it many times before, and punaise always says it better with regard to his feelings about Senator Lieberman.
Tabled. Good.
what in bloody hell ?
Gee one of my elected Critters actually did a great thing… Guess Boxer will get my vote next year..
I want to know WTF is wrong with all these Male Senators who would vote to limit the reproductive rights from the women in their lives… Just can’t fucking understand it #*#@*#@#*##
You mean like this?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/08/mark-cuban-wwe-monday-nig_n_383673.html
A Mark Cuban kind of tabling?
Because all the women in their lives have all the disposable income they need to not to use health insurance to guarantee their reproductive choices.
I wish Obama and Reid would talk to the regressive Democrats like Nelson and Landrieu and Lincoln and let them know that if they aren’t going to get on board with healthcare reform, then they can forget any more pork, or jobs, or any form of help from the Federal gummint. No more civic buildings with their name on a plaque, no more schools, no more support for any of their pet projects. Humiliate them and render them useless in the eyes of their constituents. Fuck em.
I am unaware of anything Dorgan has to trade for his No vote – it’s not like Nelson would have backed him on his Break the WH/PhRma Deal amendment – anyone else know anything ?
regardless of his vote to table,
“my contempt for Joe Lieberman will never subside.”
they’re already lining up to go after Bayh in the next election.
I’m just wondering who he thinks his base is.
(Besides, of course, Eli Lilly, the Simon Family, and Wellpoint) Because *those* are HIS constituents – I wonder just where the hell he thinks the rest of the votes are going to come from.
ya probably right…
asswipes..
how odd there just happened to be a table set up in the ring!
In addition to what Jo Fish said @ 13, they hate and feel threatened by women, particularly those not in their socio-economic class. I.e., particularly poor women.
Trenchant analysis. Way too much time is spent reading non-existent tea leaves trying to predict what and how things will shake out.
How many more times is McSFB gonna try to get the bill sent to the Finance Committee?
This morning, Stephanie Miller described Holy Joe as “Douchetastic.”
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said, “If the Nelson amendment fails, I’m happy to work with him on this. If he doesn’t succeed, I’m happy to work with him on something else.”
Harry may always be counted upon to “work” with the traitors. Unfortunately, in Harry’s case, that has nothing to do with putting his foot down; he’ll just roll over on some other mind-numbingly stupid thing that they want.
you already know this, but sadly, an anti choice vote is not gonna hurt him at home.
Way the heck OT – I wonder how many of the 100 Senators I recognize by sight. I don’t really *feel* stupid, but I bet it wouldn’t be more than 75-80.
These folks who vote against choice and vote against health care reform, access to a living wage, equity in education are the most two faced scum in the U.S. Their hypocritical stances are beyond redemption.
They are not pro life
They are pro American fetuses.
Pro-life = health care for all
living wage for all
equity in education for all
yeah – I know, but it still sucks to have neither of my Senators stand for a goddamned thing.
I have Cornyn and Hutchison – I feel ya
Add to that poor women of color and those for whom English is not a first language and you’ve about nailed it perfectly.
Sweet Jeebus, please stop making sense… it’s forbidden and un-Amurkan!
they are “pro-life” before birth, no other time, unless someone is in a vegetative coma on life support.
Notice, almost all “pro-life” people are also “pro-gun” and “pro-death penalty.”
… and pro-war, the biggest of them all death machines.
… and pro-torture too. Almost forgot those fun and games.
How did Reid vote?
I’ve asked a number of fundies how they equate being “pro life” and pro death penalty. The only answer I’ve ever gotten is “You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine.” True, but it doesn’t answer my question. I was floored when an allegedly progressive attendee at Cindy Sheehan’s appearance in St Pete was adamantly pro war and pro death penalty.
I have Cornyn and Hutchison
I yield in my disappointment to Texas residents who have truly dangerous Senators.
Speaking of Kay, I believe that she is now up arguing for lower taxes as we speak.
How did Reid vote?
“Present and Cowardly”.
Endgame:
1 Part Hyde
2 Part Capps
1 Part Stupak
Stir vigourosly.
Don’t be silly… corporate profits from health insurance coverage recissions now far outstrip our wars as a cause of preventable deaths.
True, it’ll take the corpocrats a while to catch up to the World War levels of mortality but Harry Reid will help see them through.
“Speaking of Kay, I believe that she is now up arguing for lower taxes as we speak.”
Lower taxes and decreased regulation are the key to unleashing the economic power of the country, right? How else can you expect Boehner to be able to afford all that bronzer?
I can’t get my mind around the Wingnut plea to “get government off the backs of the American people” when it comes to their multifarious business dealings, while simultaneously managing to deify the presence of government in the most personal and private aspects of an individual’s life – like this stupid abortion amendment, for example. And then there’s always the rampant domestic spying that has been going on..
Well…I guess that’s why they call them Wingnuts, right?
Why wasn’t W clever enough to think of this kind of medical reform?
I don’t understand the deal with these male Senators either. I just sent this email to Bob Casey:
Your vote against tabling the Nelson/Hatch abortion funding amendment is contemptible. I would not have voted for you had I known that you were Rick Santorum in disguise. Your voting record is abominable and your support for legislation that is the most restrictive to women’s reproductive rights in two decades is unforgivable. I look forward to actively campaigning and voting against you in 2012.
A Former Supporter,
David M. Huff
great letter !
Wasn’t he more into killing, torturing and spying on people than he was helping them?
Woulda been seriously out of character.
OTOH, it would have passed in a heartbeat, if he gave the word.
lol, I’m old and thought I’d seen it all.
But by golly, I believe that’s the first time I’ve ever seen “W” and “clever” in the same sentence.
Medical reform is not about helping people. It’s a perfect way to boost insurance corp profits. If W’d been as clever as O, he’d have done it in a heartbeat.
It’s a hypothetical.
Any Democrat could have killed man-on-dog Santorum. We did not need to be stuck with Casey. Now he’s there for life.
Really liked when Boxer brought up Viagara coverage.
and pro war…go kill innocent Iraqi kids protect American fetuses. Many of them have those little crosses around their necks. Any wonder why folks around the world are scared to death of us.
Onward Christian soldiers
I’m proud to be a constituent of Lois Capps and Barbara Boxer.
I think it’s rather straightforward (being “pro-life”, pro-war, and pro-death penalty). They are simply pro-STATE — they believe that the State should control the Individual (at least, other Individuals than themselves).