The endgame on the public option could come as early as today. The negotiations seem to be coalescing around an expansion of Medicare and Medicaid as an alternative, some unnamed stronger insurance regulations, and additional elements, amidst a host of questions.
Would there be anything at all left of the public option, even with a trigger, or would adults above 150% federal poverty level and below the age of 55 be confined to the exchange? Would anyone 55-64 with employer coverage be eligible (Probably not)? What would the impact of taking higher-risk individuals off the exchanges have on their prices? Would the exchanges serve so many less people as a result, however, that their collective bargaining power would be blunted? Would the rates for Medicare buy-in be too exorbitant for potential subscribers? How would states be affected by expanded Medicaid funding over time? Would the feds still carry the full cost of expansion in the first three years, now that the expansion is larger? Would the issue of provider reimbursement rates, a major sticking point during the Medicare + 5% conversation, rear its ugly head again?
Are the nationwide, privately-run, nonprofit health plans overseen by the Office of Personnel Management still part of the mix, as the AP says they are? What if no private insurer wants to offer them? How would that plan interact with subsidies? Would the FEHBP benefits be too expensive for individuals to afford, without the generous subsidies given federal employees? Is there a state opt-out on the FEHBP/OPM plan, as has been reported? I could go on.
Perhaps because of all these questions and more, this is not a done deal. Just because Ben Nelson says there’s support for these new measures doesn’t mean they’ve earned his support. The fact that Joe Lieberman skipped out on the Gang of 10 meetings, necessitating Tom Carper to have to fill in for him, suggests that he may not be so amenable to the compromise. And there’s still people like Sherrod Brown, who while in the room for negotiations, isn’t all that pleased with them, and neither are a lot of activists:
Progressive senators reacted more positively to the developments than did activists. Their reaction to the swap of a public option for a national nonprofit insurance plan might have been best captured by a spokeswoman for one of the major groups pushing for a public plan, who wrote on her personal blog: “The latest noncompromise compromise is absolute crap and totally unacceptable.” [...]
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) said the group was on the verge of a compromise, possibly by Tuesday afternoon.
“Will it be something that I like? No. But it’s not going to be something that the moderates or the conservatives like either … It’s going to be one of those things in the middle that doesn’t make everyone happy.”
The ability of the negotiating to reach a compromise would break the deadlock over the public option, but any agreement would still need sign off from Reid and the White House.
For his part, Brown said the public option is not dead.
“It’s not,” Brown said as he left the negotiation session Monday night. “There’s no agreement on anything.”
(By the way, the “absolute crap” comment came from Jacki Schechner of HCAN.)
One of the bigger issues I didn’t mention is, when will Medicare and Medicaid open up? Jon Cohn reports that there are two options on the table:
Since exchanges wouldn’t begin operating until 2014, at least under the Senate bill, the option wouldn’t be available until then. And that’s a long time to wait, particularly given the target population. People between the ages of 55 and 64 have a notoriously hard time buying coverage on their own, since their age and higher incidence of disease makes them the sorts of high medical risks insurers don’t want to cover.
The senators negotiating this deal understand this, according to senior staffers. And while no decisions have been made–indeed, this whole deal is in flux, with numerous moving pieces–the staffers say the senators are thinking about one more twist: Making Medicare available even before the exchanges start up, perhaps as early as 2011.
Making Medicare available before the exchanges are ready gets complicated, because the premiums will inevitably be more than many workers can afford. (The idea is to make the program pay for itself, rather than dipping into the pool of funds for retirees, so the money coming in has to cover the medical bills this relatively unhealthy group would generate.) As such, Senators are examining whether it’s possible to offer discounted premiums for the first few years, and then charging higher premiums later on to make up for it. (At that point, subsidies from the exchanges would be available to offset the costs).
Obviously, all of these questions will be answered in due course, and probably later today, as Harry Reid has set a deadline for these negotiations to allow him to still finish a bill by Christmas. But let me say one thing which might seem paradoxical: the slow, agonizing death of the public option – and what may be replacing it – proves why you need a public option.
Let me explain. At the end of the day, the only way to eliminate the government-run plan was to expand the already operating government-run plans – Medicare and Medicaid – to around 40-45% of the uninsured who would be eligible for the exchange (a higher rate than the public option on offer, mind you). These plans came into existence in 1965, have become cherished by both parties – at least rhetorically, as we’ve seen in this debate – and therefore were candidates to expand, to compensate for the lack of a public plan. In other words, the architecture of Medicare and Medicaid was built in the 1960s, and it continues to expand to this day.
That was the promise of the public option – creating the architecture of a plan that would not be walled off to the poor or the elderly, but potentially open to everyone. Yes, it was constricted at first, only sold on the exchanges for individuals and certain small businesses. But it had the potential to gain trust, and become normalized in the way that Medicare and Medicaid are, and from there grow. Nobody thought the public option on offer, with the state opt-out, was any kind of perfect object – far from it. It was the act of setting up such an option, an alternative to private insurance that could over time, with enough market share, force that private insurance to compete – that was what was truly desired. Medicare and Medicaid prove the point that a public plan will improve and expand over time, if for no other reason than the fact that private insurance is completely unsustainable and has to act criminally to survive.
Without a public option, we are far less prepared for what will happen when the private health insurance system ultimately collapses. All the liberal pragmatists arguing against it saw the public option as a static object with static rules. This possible trade-off for Medicare and Medicaid expansion shows that to be short-sighted.
Incidentally, there are several dozen House members who aren’t going to be terribly pleased with seeing their months of legislative work ignored and thrown in the garbage, especially if they don’t even get a conference committee out of it. So while we could hear about a “deal” today, remember that it’s only a deal if everyone agrees to it.



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This fight is not over when Obama signs whatever bill comes out of Congress. I predict that healthcare reform will be an issue in the 2010 election. We need to figure out how to make that result in more progressives in Congress instead of more Republicans. The Blue Dogs are toast over this, those who are standing for election.
And “finish the job” means moving as quickly as possible to a single-payer system financed by progressive taxation.
BTW, I wonder if eliminating the cap on the payroll tax might be snuck into the compromise. That would go a long way to taking the entitlement issue off the table.
No reason that Medicare for All shouldn’t be one of the top issues in next year’s campaign. We need to work to ensure that it is. We also need to be smarter in who we support. We need to vet these people better than we have. More than a few disappointments over the last 2 congressional cycles. Tired of finding a neoliberal under the guise of a progressive.
Wouldn’t an expansion of medicare and medicaid be closer to a single payer system than a public option?
BTW, did I ever tell you that I sent your Chinese translation to my friend whose son speaks the language? She emailed it to him, and he emailed back that it was accurate.
You may be able to ratchet back the Medicare age and ratchet up the SCHIP age or Medicaid until you get everybody in the system.
david, explain to me how medicare buy in is not a public option
Well, that means the Google translator functions as designed. That was pretty funny that morning.
从不。授予。向上。
So, what do your new pearls of wisdom mean?
Eikenberry’s gonna eat his words in congressional testimony now starting on cspan3.
I’m tryin’ to get you to use the translator. It’s fun. Hint: it’s something I say quite frequently here.
Horse shit? (tongue in cheek)
How many times over the past nine months have we heard the Media Borg say that the public option’s dead, get over it, move along?
Yet it keeps coming back — because we’ve made it clear that this is our line in the sand. This far and no further.
The Republicans and their Bush Dog buddies and fellow eaters at the insurance-industry trough keep yammering about ‘compromise’. The public option IS the compromise. Period.
从不。授予。向上。
For those of us not versed in Chinese ,what does this say?
pheonix woman, isn’t a buy in to medicare the same thing as a public option?
and isn’t expanding medicare availability without a premium “single payer”?
I think this is going how we want it to go, the “compromise” is more of what we want then the proposal before the comrpomise
As for Medicaid expansion, the House bill has a 150% FPL eligibility with the feds picking up the extra costs for 10 years. The Senate bill has a 133% FPL presently and with the feds only picking up the extra costs for 5 years. Still the CBO says the House’s Medicaid expansion saves $100 Billion over the Senate’s present plan because Medicaid is so much cheaper than the subsidy. Sort of a no-brainer there. Makes you wonder why they don’t expand it even more.
Hopefully the $100 Billion will be used to fund other items, including risk subsidies (like Europe), so everyone’s premiums can be the same.
There’s no economic reason not to at least let everyone buy into Medicaid or Medicare at cost since it’s revenue neutral. Just looking out for insurance companies there.
The progressive push should be to not have the Medicare expansion and the OPM plan just limited to the few who cannot get insurance otherwise. If so it will be the same high-risk pool problem that has plagued the altered (neutered?) PO and make premiums for that pool higher than average. The FEHB that Congress critters have should be demanded to be open to all, not a new insurance ghetto, and the same for Medicare.
Doesn’t work for me.
Use the Google translator. *g* It’s in Chinese (Simplified). It’s no fun if I tell ya.
My biggest concern is that we are bargaining with people who have a history of bargaining in bad faith, and who are know to want to weaken, privatize, and destroy Medicare.
They are likely to demand, for example, that the age for full Medicare benefits be increased to 67 as a price for making a buy-in (which will not be cheap) available between ages 62-66. Would that be worth it? I don’t think so.
So I think we have to be very clear about what our parameters are for any deal involving Medicare, and keep the public option in play until we have that deal.
I would like to see the buy-in at age 55 available to anybody on the exchange, not just those who lose their jobs or are disabled. People should be able to come and go from Medicare at any time (some of the proposals say once you elect Medicare there are penalties for changing your mind). Most importantly we have to make sure that this is not used as an opportunity to raise premiums or cut benefits, and that lower-income seniors are protected from Medicare premium increases in excess of their Social Security payments.
Yeah, doesn’t do the reverse very well, does it? Damn.
Never. Give. Up.
only time for a quick drive by, but this is something i mentioned in dday’s previous thread on the topic (maybe dday missed it because there was no response), i’ll try to elaborate a little further (as i did in a recent oxdown thread).
this is re buy-in to medicare: beware the details.
this could actually be a good way to further undermine the single payer system we do have in medicare (see medicare advantage).
if medicare is going to be extended down to age 55, it has to be for virtually everyone in that age group (and probably funded primarily via taxes — not premiums). that’s what makes it single payer and an entitlement instead of either a welfare program (if subsidies for low income) or too expensive for many (if no subsidies). single payer is how we avoid the traps and costs of of adverse selection, weak regulation and excessive administrative costs of a small po in a multipayer system.
before endorsing this kind of idea i strongly suggest we consult with the policy experts at pnhp. what do people like marcia angell, steffie woolhanger and david himmelstein say?
there may be ways to do this, but please please please let’s make sure we don’t do anything to undermine the closest thing we have to a single payer system (medicare) right now.
these guys (dem party leadership) have been trying to con us for over a year. this may be another con (if reports are even true).
It would be single-payer if everyone were in. The terms “option” and “single payer” are mutually exclusive.
Perris, the problem is that Medicare and Medicaid WON’T be expanded to reach all of us. As David says:
Regarding the OPM-managed exchange, this offers very little in the way of benefit to the public and high risk that it may become a vehicle for “national plans” designed to skirt state insurance regulations. This is a stated goal of the insurance industry and so-called centrists.
Regarding the expansion of Medicaid, we already have Cantwell’s Basic Health Plan in the bill which is essentially a Medicaid HMO. I think that is sufficient. Access is a huge problem with Medicaid. It does no good to issue millions of people Medicaid cards that they can’t use.
I’m not sure that’s correct, the va is single payer but a person doesn’t have to use their vet insurance they can buy private if they want
It’s not likely to be open to everyone, just those 55-64 who don’t get employer-based coverage. And it’s a buy-in, meaning that it would be designed to pay for itself through premiums and not stress the Medicare system at all (at least financially – stressing it in terms of providers is another matter). That would mean it would not exactly be cheap, especially without subsidies.
That’s basically what we know now.
Exactly. They want to do some minor tweaks to Medicare/Medicaid, call “expansion”, and then walk away — and both programs will still only cover the extreme poor or the elderly.
“Recent Oxdown thread”? Do you not embrace the Sperm Bank?
FYI, <a href="“>installment 2 of Kip Sullivan’s 6-part series on the long-term history of ignoring the public will on genuine health care reform is up.
but if anyone can buy in then it is a public option, I agree if that buy in is only available for certain people it’s no longer an option at all
Thanks. Wonder why it doesn’t work in reverse.
I’m thinking the same thing: don’t trust these guys to negotiate Medicare.
The Medicare expansion will also help unemployment ! There are many people who would presently retire at age 55 (gov’t workers included) but can’t afford COBRA. Amazing how many people work primarily for insurance.
Oops; let’s try that link again.
because even jacob hacker (father of po/multipayer system proposal) says it won’t work (reimbursements are too low in medicaid, which is why it costs less) he said all medicaid and schip should be put into his big public option (the one that’s never been on the table). (spring of 2008 at the take back america conference – videos available online and i’ve just watched them).
part of the problem of refusing to discuss policy details for over a year is that none of us know enough to be informed citizens and good judges of the proposals coming out of congress.
Watch “expanding medicare” become the new public option. The debate will begin by many championing it as a way to get even more Americans into a government healthcare program. The “back door” public option.
Then the insurance industry will have their enablers in Congress propose all kinds of “restrictions” as to who is eligible to participate in it. By the time they are done only a tiny fraction of those 55 or older will actually be able to enroll.
And they wonder why the American people seem confused and dazed? How many times have they turned negotiations upside down, added amendments? As Senator Snowe said during the committee hearing when she voted with the Dems “decades of inaction”
haven’t yet been able to even bring myself to write a diary since the oxdown days. my problem and i’m working on it though.
the policy proposals from the dems have been so idiotic and so deceptive i now treat them with the same level of skepticism i used to reserve for republican proposals.
something weird happened with your link html, so here’s a repeat because these are absolute must reads:
Two-thirds of Americans support Medicare-for-all (#1 of 6)
Two-thirds of Americans support Medicare-for-all (#2 of 6)
now i really gotta run… later friends.
thanks! devil in the details and all that…
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Thanks! (Though Home Depot is as Republican as they get, so they likely can’t be moved.)
What are you basing this on? The passage that you quote even states unequivocally at the end that any public system will expand and grow as the burden of private insurance ratchets up. The Public Option doesn’t automatically expand; it requires the approval of the HHS or the legislature depending on the version in play, so the issue will have to be revisited. If the marginal age brackets are revisited in the future and expanded further; how is that functionally any different from revisiting the Public Option restrictions, and relaxing them?
Currently Medicare is a restricted access program, and every single Public Option proposal on the table is as well.
And while you’re at it call the businesses too.
If the Medicare for a Few People Ages 55-65 becomes part of the compromise, I think that you might be right politically about Medicare for All. But to succeed, progressive will have to confront these issues directly:
- How will it be paid for?
- How much will it cost? Individually. To government. All private costs.
- Will there be enough providers everywhere to support it? This goes to the way providers hold prices hostage by dropping service to Medicare and Medicaid patients. And to additional measures to increase the number of providers and set them free from the MBAs over time. We should make it clear that we want to pay our doctors, nurses, lab techs, and so on fairly–not subsidize million-dollar health system CEOs or million-dollar hospital administrators.
- What will be covered? One of the failures of all of the bills in Congress is the notion that there are three levels of coverage, based on ability to pay, and that only one of them includes dental and vision coverage.
- What will happen to all those folks in insurance company jobs? This is where you can separate employee support from the companies that use them as lobbyists. When you have 1/6 of the economy, that’s a lot of lobbyists. (Reducing the military-industrial-complex has the same problem.)
- Will my benefits be as good as what I have now for the premium I am paying? This is where you can free people from the golden handcuffs of employer-based benefits, all workers except for 50 million or so.
- What’s wrong with the healthcare reform that just got passed? If the bill is a crappy as it appears to be, this will be a list of the individual crappy items so that the answer doesn’t become “government-run healthcare”.
- Will federal funds pay for abortions? Here is where the politics must change dramatically. The answer must be “Yes”, but only if the woman and her doctor decide that it is necessary (and the woman and her doctor must be the ones who decides what family members need to know about it). This is going to be the toughest fight of all and will involve exposing how shallow and knee-jerk the moral arguments for government prohibitions of abortion are. Unless you take this on, you don’t get Medicare for All without sacrificing women’s health.
- What alternative medicine treatments will be covered? A good answer here ensures that Medicare for All doesn’t become a way for snake-oil salesmen to defraud the government. And restrictions on direct-to-patient advertising are going to have to be a part of this. Another thorny issue. Especially in the absence of scientific interest and long-term studies of what works and what doesn’t. And not slapdash statistical population studies, studies of the biological means by which the therapy operates. I’m thinking specifically of the recent mammography study that seeks to change policy here. And this just points out how much actual research will have to be supported outside of folks with a vested interest in the results.
There are probably more. But those are some of the flashpoints in the current debate.
In news reports I’ve only heard one small mention of risk adjustment.
If the OPM plan and Medicare expansion are high-risk ghetto’s only, then there must be a government risk subsidy to keep the rates low.
I would expect insurance companies would love to move as many 55 and older into Medicare as possible. Isn’t this a great thing for them, and a piss poor option for a group of this age? What am I missing?
The fucking monsters win again and Americans will continue to die for lack of healthcare/insurance. The quiet murder of poor and/or unemployed Americans will continue. Gosh, I hate these hypocritical, brutal fucking monsters who run this country. And, yes, I will continue to pray for them.
One big problem with the PO as it has turned out in current drafts of both the House and the Senate is that it is restricted primarily to low income people. Anything for the poor will not be trusted. Even Medicare and Medicaid have a “common wisdom” status as rife with corruption. The PO would be headed for the same CW perception. At this point all options suck!
It is a good thing if it is available for all 55-65 people and has the same premium rate as Medicare. We don’t know the details, but my guess is that is unlikely. But if it passes, there is a Medicare for All foothold for future legislation; that’s its only benefit that I see.
And yes, that’s its intent. If insurance companies can dump folks over a certain age, then they can increase profits AND lower premiums.
This whole health care reform thing is just one big confusing fucking mess !
As if further proof was needed, the course that HCR has taken in Congress has shown to many the true extent of how that system fails and frustrates the public will. This is a useful bit of information that needs to be taken into account in the actions that we take to advance our interests. We need to accept that the interests of the Congress as a whole lie elsewhere and move on from there.
This being the case, the brunt of the effort falls on ourselves. And to be effective we should know from the outset how much influence we actually have as a bloc to influence events. We should for instance determine how many progressive voters would definitely refrain from voting for Reid or Lincoln,or any other incument, if given an alternative. And based on that information to begin to provide such an alternative as of now.
That is, we should determine from within our own ranks how strong we actually are, in order to then be able to exert that power efficently. We should also attempt to extend our reach to anyone that is commited to changing the makeup and wokings of Congress, in keeping with our ideal of furthering our welfare.
I think the time has come to focus on our next step knowing that we are left pretty much to our own devices.
I don’t think so.
If you are wondering if allowing those over 55 into Medicare is a bad deal for that group, as compared to private coverage, the answer is no. They will enjoy broader coverage at lower premiums, that is assuming they have to pay premiums.
Also losing this group to Medicare is a loss to private insurers because they make a profit on everyone they cover, irrespective of their age or illness. Private insurers always turn a profit because the cost of care is not assumed by them but rather by the person they insure.
Transferring people out of private plans is a net gain to everyone except for private insurers. Their profits are in direct proportion to how many people they insure, since they profit from every enrollee.
Okay, once again: Medicare is the bee’s knees. My wife pays $96/month, and it’s better by far than the crappy Blue Cross policy with huge deductibles that we had to give up years ago. Believe me, there will be a stampede to Medicare if it’s opened to others, as it should be…
The medicare buy in is a good idea. But of primary importance is cutting the cost. My husband was billed $48,000.00 for hip replacement surgery and 2 days in the hospital. Hard to believe.
John that $96 covers about 12% of total Medicare Cost (25% of Part B & D). David’s question could be summed up “Who pays the other 88%?”
Bruce, she paid INTO Medicare for decades and decades. Her policy is already paid for. As for the other 88%, stop the damn wars and bailouts for CEOs, and there’s plenty of money. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT but pretends they don’t.
Home Despot. They drug test their employees. The way drug testing works it really only weeds out the weed people.
“The endgame on the public option could come as early as today.”
AMEN!!!!
Tweek the idea a little
Expanding Medicare could only fail to work, could only fail to deliver better coverage more cheaply, if it were designed to fail.
Sure, limiting this expansion to only the 55-65 year olders who can’t get insurance otherwise, might just pack enough adverse selection wallop to overcome even the inherent savings of not having to run a profit, and of having a collection and payment system already in place in the form of the already-existing Medicare program that is already collecting premiums from most of these people. But why would you put that limitation on, except to sabotage the plan? What would be the rationale for not making this Medicare for Anyone Who Wants It (Age Restrictions May Apply)?
While we’re at it, should the other side concede Medicare could be expanded to deal with this one problem, of the 55-65 year-olds who can’t get coverage that the industry wants to provide at an at all affordable price, what would be the reason to not also use Medicare expansion to deal with the other big problem for reform, what to do with the folks who might, marginally, be able to afford coverage, but don’t think it worth the admittedly steep price? Instead of using fines to force them to buy coverage, just enroll them in Medicare and add to the payroll deduction we already impose to fund the existing Medicare program, whatever small additional deduction would be needed to cover them for their much less medically expensive pre-65 years. The total universe of the uninsured is problably not that much of an adverse selection pool, because, while some are uninsured involuntarily because they’re high risk, many are also uninsured, by choice, if only a Hobson’s Choice, because they’re low risk. The two tendencies probably largely cancel each other out, and we would be left with Medicare’s inherent cost savings yielding clearly better coverage at a clear discount, compared to the industry.
Do those two tweaks to this Medicare expansion, and within two years, market forces would give us Medicare for All, in effect, if not by direct legislative fiat.
Now President Snowe says no-go on Medicare or Medicaid expansion either.
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Not to sound like a broken record, but the Americare bill that DrSteveB recommended to you does exactly that (puts Medicaid and SCHIP into a new public option pool). Because children have, on average, much lower healthcare costs than the adult population, folding in this funding would make premiums more affordable for everyone who buys into Pete Stark’s “public option on steroids”.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/5749
Alternately, Medicaid and SCHIP funding could be folded into a Pentagon’s Tricare Reserve Select program (in 2006, Congress allowed reservists to buy into the Tricare insurance plan for themselves and their families) and Congress could allow civilians to buy into Tricare as well.
Tricare Reserve Select actually provides superior coverage to Medicare; besides hospital and doctor bill coverage (at Medicare rates), it also includes prescription drug coverage (at the rock bottom VA rates), a low deductible and an annual “out of pocket” cap (Medicare doesn’t have a cap). For individual coverage, a reservists pays $47 a month, 28% of total premiums (even without the Pentagon’s 72% subsidy, a Tricare individual policy costs less than $200). A reservist can cover his or her entire family for $180 a month ( $750 or so a month, unsubsidized).
http://www.tricare.mil/mybenefit/home/overview/Plans/LearnAboutPlansAndCosts/TRICAREReserveSelect
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Medicare as it exists now is a compromise between President Johnson’s proposal to cover the elderly through ataxpayer-funded plan and the Republican counterproposal for a voluntary plan that the elderly could buy into.
I forget who brokered the compromise (I want to say House Ways & Means Chairman Wilbur Mills), but the final Medicare bill combined the two approaches. Medicare Part A funds hospital bills, that’s where the 2.9% Medicare tax (split between employee and employer) goes to pay. Medicare Part B is a voluntary plan that covers out of hospital (ie. doctor’s) bills. Even then, the $93 a month (or whatever it is now, it usually bumps a bit every year) only covers 25% of premium costs, the rest being subsidized by general revenue.
Of course the weakness of the original Medicare plan (besides no annual “out of pocket cost” cap) is not covering prescription drugs. Bush’s Medicare Part D was more about corporate welfare than providing healthcare. 1. Drug coverage is again, like Part B, voluntary but must be purchased for a private insurer (that was W. gift to the insurers), 2. Medicare could not use its buying power to negotiate drug prices, or even easier, just adopting the Department of Veteran Affairs already-negotiated drug price schedule. I’ve read that Medicare could have saved $30 billion a year simply by letting using the VA drug prices, but they didn’t (and that was W.’s gift to big Pharma).
You know, what I’d give the public option up for– requiring EVERY private insurer to use Medicare rates for hospitals and doctors and VA rate for drugs and medical devices. If we can’t beat insurers, we can at least beat Pharma. Of course, an even better solution is opening up the Pentagon’s Tricare plan to everyone. Although the overhead costs are a bit higher than Medicare’s (its run by contractors and not government employees), Tricare already uses Medicare rates and VA drug pricing.
Walk away from the table
We may flatter ourselves that we’re doing health care financing reform this year because of our concerns, because the uninsured we care about shouldn’t go another year without insurance, and, finally, our concerns are being addressed. Finally, we have a progressive in the WH.
Wrong on both counts. We have a centrist technocrat in the WH. No Drama Obama never advertised himself as anything but, so I do not share the widespread disappointment that he isn’t actually what he never pretended to be, a progressive. This centrist technocrat is doing health care finance reform this year, aided, abetted, and I would conjecture (I have to conjecture here, because gtomkins is not welcome in the corridors of power) prodded by the industry, because the industry is in mortal trouble, and needs reform of health care financing in order to survive.
We’ve had the uninsured for as long as we’ve had health insurance. As long as they were uninsured because they were actual card-carrying members of the underclass, and therefore don’t count (or at least, practically speaking, politicians dare not be seen caring about them), or were just so unlucky as to get sick and start generating claims, and therefore had to be rescinded as a sound business practice (much as you would amputate a gangrenous limb), the system could live with their plight (even if they often couldn’t). But what we’ve seen recently, as the industry has fostered a cost spiral to gin up profits so that the individual companies can compete with each other for shareholders to bid up the stock prices that the CEOs’ compensation depends on, is that the product is now so expensive, and crappy, that good risks are starting to go naked. Losing “bad” customers they can live with. In fact, getting rid of people who generate claims is necessary for them. But losing 25-50 year-olds who calculate, quite correctly, that they can self-insure more cheaply for anything but a true medical catastrophe — which the crappy insurance they might afford wouldn’t cover anyway — would be death to the industry. And ther process, once started, would spiral quickly out of control because it has a built-in positive feedback. The healthiest desert first and go naked, because insurance is the worst bet for them, but that creates adverse selection, which means the industry is now covering only the sick, who generate more claims. So the industry would have to raise its premiums, which would just make buying thier product no longer a smart deal for the next risk tranch, starting another cycle of purging out the good risks, and so on, over and over again until buying health insurance only makes sense for the folks who are so likely to generate so much in claims that it no longer makes sense for the industry to sell to anyone left in their risk pool.
The industry has worked itself into a highly unstable energy peak. It desperately needs government help creating energy barriers to keep its suckers, oops, “beneficiaries” at the high energy/high premium state it has created, or their whole structure will collapse, and soon. They need a plan that will build these barriers, some combination of subsidies to make the cost/benefit of health insurance work again for the healthy, or mandates to make them fork over their money even if the cost/benefit doesn’t work for them. The industry gets this help from the government, and soon, or it dies, and not quietly.
What we’ve seen so far in this political process this year is that, predictably, progressives have, through a combination of understandable, but misplaced, concern for the uninsured, and self-delusion that the attention suddenly paid to this long-standing problem of the uninsured, that only we have cared about for so long, must mean that our side must have won some argument, and we’re really close to real progress, let themselves be black-mailed into supporting “reform” that will only shore up the racket the industry has been running, but which is now unstable and failing.
No, it’s not hard-hearted to walk away from a bad deal that at least gets some of the currently uninsured some insurance, no matter how crappy, and whatever the cost to the taxpayer. A bad deal is one that won’t last, one whose taxpayer subsidies to the uninsured poor, however noble and wonderful if actually sustained, will not be sustained. A bad deal is one that relies on mandating that the working poor not only pay taxes to subisize the really poor, but that they buy for themselves crappy, overpriced insurance that isn’t worth its exorbitant price. A bad deal, even if politically sustainable, which it won’t be, would still not make the industry economically viable in the long term, it would not control the the relentless drive for RoI and shareholder value that drove the industry into an unstable price structure in the first place. By temporarily shoring up their profitability, we would only postpone the day of reckoning, the final meltdown after competition among these companies to produce a better RoI drives their premiums so high that not even the full faith and credit of the Treasury could support the whole rotten structure any longer. There will be a blow-up anyway, just a bigger one for being delayed a few years, and more people will have to suffer the consequences of interrupted coverage from the bigger blow-up. Better to have the conflict out now and get it over with.
The industry must die, will die no matter what we do this year. No use pretending the death won’t have bad consequences, or will be easy and painless. But the death could have been much less of a problem if planned, if we had decided to kill it outright with Single Payer, in an orderly, as-controlled-as-these-things-allow, manner. We can still go back to that better plan, and if that means waling away from a deal, and progressives killing a bad deal this year, then so be it, and let the industry die a violent and unplanned death. Unlike the “beneficiaries” it kills on a regular basis, no one will mourn the industry after it commits suicide.
An addendum I should have added to my suggestion that Congress allow civilian buy-ins to Tricare (or more precisely, the existing reservist buy-in program, Tricare Reserve Select).
1. Tricare’s premiums are unusually low because military personnel are younger and healthier than average (only a small percentage of servicemen stay in till retirement and qualify for the lifetime Tricare coverage), so a Tricare buy-in that pays for itself would surely have higher premiums, though that’s a good argument for folding Medicaid and SCHIP into a Tricare buy-in program, including millions of children in the pool would keep the average cost down.
2. If Tricare was opened to everyone, Congress could impose a payroll tax to pay for coverage that citizens with private insurance could take a full (or only partial, for the deficit hawks among us) tax credit by providing the IRS proof of other (presumably employer-provided) health coverage on their tax return. Use of a tax makes the individual (or employer) mandate as well as new insurance regulations (rescission/pre-existing conditions) quite unnecessary— which means the bill could be done by the reconciliation process.
3. A Tricare (or Medicare for that matter) buy-in can be done fast. When SCHIP was created in 1997 (by a Reconciliation bill, incidentally), Clinton signed the bill August 5, SCHIP was opened for enrollment on October 1. There’s really no reason to wait till 2014 except for Obama’s foolish $900 billion over 10 years cost limit, the only way Congress could meet number is to wait 4 years to spend any money. Now more than ever, we need politicians willing to lie to us once in a while. :o)
selise,
Here, Steffi Woolhandler was quoted as saying:
exactly. that’s a description of adverse selection. i don’t think her use of “mandatory” here refers to the mandates, but rather that medicare coverage should be inclusive for all in the age group. don’t know for sure though and will see if i can get details tomorrow.
gtomkins, nice comment. See:
Kill it, it’s the enemy of the good.
And:
What Might Have Been, What Still Might Be.