The big story here is not that the White House wants to crush Byron Dorgan’s reimportation amendment and hold up their deal with Big PhRMa – that’s been clear for a while. The big news is that Dorgan’s fighting back:
The White House, aided by Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), is working hard to crush an amendment being pushed by Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) to allow for the reimportation of pharmaceutical drugs from Canada, Senate sources tell the Huffington Post.
As a result, the Senate health care debate has come to a standstill: Carper has placed a “hold” on Dorgan’s amendment and in response, Dorgan tells HuffPost, he’ll object to any other amendments being considered before he gets a vote on his.
The pharmaceutical industry, aided by the White House, is strong-arming as many Democrats as possible into voting against reimportation, because it would blow up the Big PhRMa deal and risk blowing up the whole bill. Jay Rockefeller, formerly Jay Rock and now just Jay Rockefeller, has been taken in by this tactic:
They’ve succeeded with Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.). “I don’t think that’s going to get my vote,” he said when HuffPost asked about the reimportation amendment. He said that even though he is a supporter of reimportation, he is concerned that if it passes it could blow everything up.
“I’m not messing around with anything without 60 votes. Nothing,” he said. “And I’m a co-sponsor of the amendment.”
Then there’s the catty sniping:
The dispute within the Democratic caucus is becoming personal. “Of course, with Dorgan, it’s all about Dorgan,” a senior Democratic aide told HuffPost, complaining that Dorgan was willing to blow up health care reform for his own glory.
Right, and who exactly is trying to lower drug prices for millions of Americans, and who is trying to sign a piece of paper with the word “health care reform” on it? Who exactly is the one looking for glory here?
Good for Dorgan to stop business on the bill until he gets a vote. The bigfooting and constant protection of industry profits (the VP of PhRMa, Ken Johnson, literally says in the article they oppose the amendment because it would cut into drug industry profits) has got to stop.
And this from the President is laughable:
Publicly, President Obama continues to support reimportation, as he did during the campaign.
“The President supports reimportation of safe and effective drugs. He made that clear in his FY 2010 budget, which included $5 million to enable the FDA to begin developing policy options,” reads a statement from the White House. “The Food and Drug Administration has raised safety concerns about the current proposal and will continue exploring policy options to create a pathway to importing safe and effective drugs.”
The policy is written. There’s no need for “policy options”. The safety concerns are complete bunk and scare tactics.
Good for Byron Dorgan.



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This bill is nothing but another bail out to corporations. I hope this amendment get’s passed and I would rather see no bill than a piece of crap bill called health reform
Seems like all the good stuff that will actually help people draws the most opposition
You know like the public option
screw Obama if he’s going to sell us out to the corporate profiteers
Me too …
The fucking loopholes that are just beginning to come out are all huge benefits to the corporate health care folks … now we are seeing why the obaminable administration wants to fast track this piece of garbage through their conduit whores in the senate without the house having much of a say.
Z
I thought Democrats with spines ahd become extinct. What shall we call this new creature? And are there any more to be found?
That’s all the stuff that is so unimportant … “unimportant” to the interests that the head pr man for the establishment represents. It’s unimportant supposedly, but they’ll fight tooth and nail against it …
I hate this administration. I hate this government and the two corporate whore parties that infest it.
Z
It’s not spines … they got plenty of spines to fuck over the vast majority of the American people that are for single payer health care and drug re-importation.
The democrats are corrupt, not cowards. The coward canard is just an act in the kabuki theatre ..
Z
Hats off to the guy, and here’s hoping he sticks to his guns. Aside from being good policy, this has got to play well with seniors. The US (public) is subsidizing low drug costs for the rest of the world. No reason for that to continue.
Got anything constructive to say? The broken record routine is already tiresome.
Corrupt or cowards? How about both.
We are officially there… I have been saying it for a while…
it is time for progressives to kill this bill and make them start over.
end the corporate welfare
and do not forget sec 1555, page 367 — the opt-out clause, without penalty, for insurance companies
So we can presume that Jay and any Democrat that cries about needing 60 votes to pass or win anything (60% of the Senate) will not accept re-election when running unless he gets 60% of the popular vote in his state?
That pesky 50.1% thingy isn’t important to them?
Maybe someone should ask him!
cannot think of many here that would disagree with you, I’d even suggest that this awareness fuels this site.
Have you been keeping abreast of the events in Greece, ‘Z’ ?
Why cannot these allegedly pro-consumer Democrats, attach these sorts of legislation to the DOD budget?!
Good for Byron Dorgan! I hope he sticks to his guns. If his amendment leads to the bill blowing up, i would say it already blew up. It just needs a funeral.
I hope Dorgan stands firm, but remember Congressman Weiner and how he was going to stand firm on single-payer in the House? And how he moved out of the way and we got Stupak instead?
Whatever happened to the Democratic Party being for the “Working People” who need help – and not becoming the “other party” for BIG Corporations?
If you find them, please put your finding on the top of some blog in big, bold letters.
what is constructive to you?
it’s too early to judge obama?
He inherited a terrible situation so we should all give him a pass?
He’s better than bush so we should be glad we got him and keep our mouths shot as he sells us out?
Z
And that last quote of the story … geez .. we’ve heard it about the other ND Senator before .. I hope people like BooMan reads it.
I know that there has been a lot of turmoil with the population raising hell against the government … is there something beyond that or more particular or recent developments that you are referring to?
Z
And also, I was replying to someone that is claiming the old democrats want to do good, but too cowardly to … that’s old and tired to me.
Z
Tombstone be a wee bit better place, methinks.
This is directed towards the southerndragoon …
Z
I’m sorry, do you want to talk about cats or something … am I off target here talking about the corrupt government that is fucking over the people in this country? Is this the wrong forum for this? Are you an a obamabot?
Z
Most of the senators have already eaten all their children (us), and now they’re starting to bite down hard on each other. Two years ago they blamed the previous eight years. Last year they blamed the failed economy. Two months ago it was the Teabaggers. Two weeks ago it was ‘the media’. Last week it was the bloggers. Now there’s no one left but themselves, and they know it. It’s become a Congress of cannibals.
Yes, damn good for Byron Dorgan. [I see the imperious Jay Rockefeller of last year's holy "bipartisan" FISA Amendments Act cramdown has finally resurfaced, true to form. Talk about a toxic personality.]
I don’t know if anyone’s noted this yet in the reporting today, but I answered one of my “unanswered questions” about the underhanded introduction of the White House-supported Lautenberg drug reimportation amendment – suddenly offered yesterday – a couple of hours ago while checking the Congressional Record.
From a part of the conversation between Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell at 7 p.m. Thursday on the Senate floor, which I was listening to and heard most of (though my C-SPAN feed was intermittently interrupted, including apparently just when the highlighted nugget below was revealed by Reid):
So what was the original Cochran? I can’t find it/determine which it is at THOMAS.
drogan is standing up for REAL change. shame on the President and the democratic establishment for not standing up alongside senator Drogan
Appreciate your passion and welcome to the lake.
Fishin is purty good roun heah, but it’s been years since somebody hooked a bot.
Heard some stories awhile back, kos mos folks have too. Ain’t seen no bots though.
We tries to find a groove in da beat, keepin our sorry asses informed while we search for answers to shake dat thang we calls our guvmint.
Well, I’m working it under the rocks, lettin’ it bounce off the bottom a bit … givin’ it a little action. I’ll let you know if I get a hit.
Z
Great post. However, this “update” tagged on to the end of the latest Grim piece is worth mentioning:
That could be for plausible deniability, but given the fact that Snowe is a co-sponsor of Dorgan and re-importation is broadly popular, the WH statements are also simply plausible. Certainly things are not quite clear yet and we’re still in the tea-leaf reading phase. To make things clearer, 2 things would have to be answered:
- Does the insistence of Dorgan and the fact that he may have 60 votes come as any surprise to the WH, or did they expect it all along to replace their deal, and do they have any problem with that?
- The one party that’s obviously doing everything they can to stop this is PhRMA with their donation-dangling lobbyists. If the WH really does want to stick to its deal – which I think is far from clear yet – was it put together in anticipation of the likelihood that when push comes to shove, many if not most Senators were going to give in to PhRMA anyway?
How would this so called debate be had there had been daily demonstrations in front of the WH and Congress demanding meaningful reform for the PEOPLE and not merely give aways to big insurance and pharma. I’m not talking about several dozens holding signs but tens of thousands. Obama and corrupt Dems think they can pass a piece of shit and shine it up a bit as a victory for the country and without a movement by the people they may well do it.
Meanwhile, yesterday the House passed a $1.1 Trillion spending bill for the military and in Oslo Obama told the peace committee peace doesn’t work.
I think you sense that Joe Lieberman (I-AETNA) played his hand too soon?
There are so many things in the current proposal that are disgusting, a target rich environment for criticism.
Can we have any attribution for the Dem aide? Is this Rahm or_______?“Of course, with Dorgan, it’s all about Dorgan,” a senior Democratic aide told HuffPost,….
I thought that line could play for Lieberman, Nelson, Snowe, et al. There are less than 50 who are in this for other than ego.
Z, you are bringing nothing new to these threads. We’ve all said what you feel a long, long time ago, – so you just look to most of us like some twerpy ‘Johnny come lately’.
Suggest you chill your heals and measure the battlefield before jumping in like some fucking imbecile,- although you are evidently not one,- your actions belie your reasoning.
You realize of course that what you’re saying is the WH is giving cover to Senate bribery.
Snowe and Dorgan’s states are low-population border states with Canada, so it seems their interests are narrower than, say, for the greater populace. It’s likely (?) that they get a lot of traffic that includes legal ‘importing’ of prescription meds. But it must be a huge burden on the US Customs folks there, and a much bigger nuisance to the state’s populace who regularly drive back and forth. It’s probably a trivial side-issue, but I think it’s more than a coincidence, especially if it augurs for a new and lucrative revenue stream for those two border states, which they’re entitled to have, and I hope it comes to pass.
Hey fuckno, I can care less what you think.
The stuff that has been said here time and time again … according to you … I had said a while back here and was told to fuck off becoz I was being too negative. Now there are assholes like you around telling me that what I’m saying is old …
So, I don’t care about your “suggestions” about “measuring the battlefield”. For what … for why? What exactly are you accomplishing here? And what “actions” belie my reasoning? I’m posting on a board for God’s sake …
Z
Don’t know yet, Kelly.
All hands on deck for the search:
http://thomas.loc.gov/r111/r111.html
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/bills_res.html
OT: Does anyone know much about the pay/czar, Fineberg, I think. He also did the payouts for 9/11…
Sort of, if that’s the scenario that’s playing out, but if they did anticipate the bribery, at least that got some deal to prevent total bribery ($80b better than nothing). And if that’s the case, it’s not the hardest thing in the world to do a new bill solely for reimportation in a few years. Still, I think it’s as likely that they prefer Dorgan beats Lautenberg.
Z, by all means knock yourself out! Hang around, scream at the walls, enjoy!
You too … I’m so glad to have your blessing …
Z
Which is what it does best, other than engage in its own bribery and epic confabulation.
I have a bad feeling about this.
I can’t find Cochran amendments to any of the 3 bills listed under healthcare reform here at the Senate Website.
But there are several Cochran amendments offered, but to HR 1 – the budget; however none of those are substantive, meaning they say their purpose will be revealed when taken under consideration.
reading the comment from the aide I am reminded of the craziness that passes for normalacy in DC…..just remarakable-
I believe this goes back to 2007 and it was used to defeat Dorgan before:
http://www.kaisernetwork.org/daily_reports/rep_index.cfm?hint=3&DR_ID=44761
Obama by the statements where he questions the safety of imports has already telegraphed that he wants to play the Bush role and that this is literally right out of the Republican playbook…frankly it is amazing how brazen it is.
Byron Dorgan is my hero. And my Senator.
I found an apropos amendment from Cochran back in 2007 (which may be the same one that spanishinquisition is linking to a Kaiser report about @ 47), but it’s no 100-pager:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2007_record&page=S5512&position=all
This is the underlying bill [the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Revitalization/Amendments Act] to which SA 1010 was appended…:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:s.01082:
…which passed the Senate and House in different forms, and (I believe I’m reading this right) were then merged and eventually became law in September, 2007 as H.R. 3580:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:h.r.03580:
The Senate was working on its legislation in May, 2007, as this news compilation explains, revealing the same corporate-underwritten dispute that’s underway in the Senate today:
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/70290.php
What do you expect from a man who took 80% of his contributions from the FIRE industries? Surely you weren’t expecting him to do anything for the people of this country? I would think his agenda was transparent to all by now.
The way that debate takes place in the Senate is pretty revealing. Even if the place was populated with true statesmen the current imperant rules would prevent anything from ever getting done.
What with filibustering and placing holds on nominees and amendments, these maneuvers even in the best of hands would be a recipe for gridlock. Now when not even a single statesman is present in the entire three branches of government, the carryings on in the Senate is a poor two bit play.
Only a handful of congressmen have good oratory skills with a good mind to match and fewer have anything worth listening to. Dick Durbin is one and he is able to get his points across clearly and for the most part conincingly and with sense.
With most of the others you just get the feeling they are trying to hussle you. You know they are lying and they know that too.
Good Lard, I bet you’ve found it. When Reid said “a long time ago” he really meant it. Foolish me to look only in this Congressional Session.
This is who voted for it on the Democrat side: Max Baucus, Evan Bayh, Maria Cantwell, Thomas Carper, Edward Kennedy, John Kerry, Mary Landrieu, Frank Lautenberg, Blanche Lincoln, Robert Menéndez, Barbara Mikulski, Patty Murray, Ben Nelson, Jay Rockefeller and Kenneth Salazar.
Obama and Biden didn’t vote.
Oh, please, let’s blow up this damn thing!!!
The safety options?! Oh, good grief…
The could just show us all the dead and maimed Canadians! But they can’t can they?
Also… the only reward that Dorgan will be getting for his efforts is a lot of grief from his colleagues
…and if he succeeds the gratitude of all of their constituents.
Ya gotta love Byron. He also was a lonely figure speaking out against the repeal of Glass-Steagel.
Dorgan’s always had spine. His views are just very much his own. I’m glad he’s standing up for this important amendment. Maybe it will be catching, and force the Senate to do reconciliation or the nuclear option.
Fucking Barack Obama, the man has become everything i despise about our current political system. Who knew? who knew he would become such a complete disaster.
We can always scrap it and start over next year. After all, it’s obvious politicians haven’t yet sucked all the $$$$$ out of the medical industry yet. /s
At some point it would seem the medical industry would beg for them to get it done, so they could save themselves some money.
This bill is very complicated and getting 60 votes for cloture is apparently a real balancing act. How this proceeds ought to be an interesting story for history books on how law is made (or not).
One thing for sure, we ought to get a CBO-like comparison of the pure unadulterated reform plan and compare it to the final CBO of whatever passes. How much cost savings are cut out of the ideal to make it palatable enough to pass is the cost of our current mix of politicians. Somehow it feels like we’re losing a lot to this crew — and it’s not quite done yet. How they will justify that loss of savings (despite it mostly being so-called deficit hawks who require these modifications) is anybody’s guess.
Still, it also seems to me we’ll get a good final product (if we get anything passed) if anyone can read it and understand it. What’s it up to now, something like 2300 pages?
The final word I think is that if the Dems don’t all vote for the final product and make it law then all those who professed support for single-payer and then voted against this and all who professed support for ‘some kind of’ reform will have been shown to be the most crass kind of hypocrites and liars. That probably won’t bother the politicians, but it would hurt the Dem party (rightfully so). I hope they avoid that tragedy and pass a good bill for Americans.
Isn’t it the politicians who say they’re responding to the electorate in their own states, but who are actually going against the electorate (as polls show) who are doomed to lose their next election? Wish ‘em good luck, but if they destroy reform give campaign money to their opponents.
Trying to pierce the smooth-talking, well-heeled line of bull the Democratic leadership was peddling Friday [Schumer, Menendez & Whitehouse in this case], I got distracted and forgot to check yesterday’s Congressional Record for the Lautenberg amendment…
So, I apologize, everyone, for starting a bit of a goose chase on the historical Cochran research, though it does add some valuable perspective.
Here, basically right in front of us in the CR, is the new Lautenberg language of Amendment #3156:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2009_record&page=S12948&position=all
Thursday, December 10, 2009, in the Senate:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?dbname=2009_record&page=S12871&position=all
After reading through all of these, yours made the most sense. 58,000 died in Vietnam, we stopped that by rioting in the streets. Martin Luther King got civil rights through civil disobedience. Indeed as we look back through history, anything for the people had to be fought for. We cannot compete with their money through puny $5 donations. We will not accomplish anything sitting on our asses. We must take to the streets.
Also including a pay increase for federal workers. We have a true unemployment rate of close to 25%, not even close to anything called healthcare reform, yet they get a fucking pay increase? WTF for?
Byron Dorgan is a confusing man. He says one thing in Washington and comes back to North Dakota and says something else. He’s lost a lot of support in North Dakota because a. People have figured out he doesn’t actually live here and b. He is all over the map on his votes. For the first time in my life I’m voting for a Republican. Paul Sorum of Fargo is running for the Republicans and he makes sense on the economy, health care, and education. I’m towing the party line. I want someone from my state who seems honest. Dorgan had his day, but I’m done with the lies. I’m voting for Paul Sorum.
Bingo.