Just got this from Jim Manley, Harry Reid’s chief spokesman, about his office changing the ban on annual limits in the Senate health care bill:
“One of the goals of our bill is to reduce costs to American families who are being crushed by skyrocketing health care costs. We are concerned that banning all annual limits, regardless of whether services are voluntary, could lead to higher premiums. We continue to work with experts on how best to accomplish our goals of preventing insurance companies from imposing arbitrary coverage limits while providing the premium relief American families need and deserve.”
Again, the entire belief on whether this is betrayal or understandable hinges on the word “unreasonable”. The Reid bill’s language bans “unreasonable annual limits (within the meaning of section 223 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986) on the dollar value of benefits for any participant or beneficiary.” OK, so here’s Section 223 of the Internal Revenue Code. It looks to me that this the definition of an unreasonable plan:
the sum of the annual deductible and the other annual out-of-pocket expenses required to be paid under the plan (other than for premiums) for covered benefits does not exceed -
(I) $5,000 for self-only coverage; and,
(II) twice the dollar amount in subclause (I) for family coverage.
So, if I’m reading this right, an insurance company would be able to cap here. The CMS report just released has this a bit higher, with maximum out-of-pocket limits of $6,645 for an individual and $13,290 for a family.
That’s a load of money to potentially go uncapped, and it could be even more, if someone decided that even less of a cap is “unreasonable”. Saving money on premiums doesn’t mean a lot if the coverage is useless.
UPDATE: I may not have read this totally correctly. I shouldn’t be mixing annual caps with out-of-pocket limits. The caps are on what insurance companies pay; out-of-pocket limits are on what individuals pay. The overall annual cap remains unclear. I’m working on this.




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You should not have to be the one scratching your head trying to figure out the truth on this. They should be absolutely clear with you as to the numbers as this potentially undermines the affordability claims of HCR. They are messing with you and with us.
Again- cap THEIR profits, not our services and benefits. That will end escalating rip offs of American health care victims. Non-profit is truly the only way to go. What is wrong with a sustainable society where everyone has a degree of comfort and security? Nothing. Its the way it should be. Heaven on earth.
These guys are really playing games with our lives.
Rather than advocate for the good of us all, they have become the gatekeeper and herder of the flock that delivers us to the beast in exchange for their self interests.
We need a organize our own ‘public’ single payer Health care Union, that can negotiate with providers and insurance co’s until they can be reformed or replaced with or own.
We aren’t going to get it from our “leaders” no matter how many times we ask. They are too corrupt. Each of them escort their paymasters up to the buffet to engorge themselves on the fruit of our hard earned labors at the cost of our lives. When they are done dividing up the spoils, there’s nothing left but crumbs or “goodies”.
We are probably like noisy little flies to them at this point.
We are going to have to get better leaders, but we need to brainstorm and figure out a new way to pull our power together outside the corrupt bureaucracy to get a non predatory health care system that works.
As long as those in power have and are assured health care for life, we will get crumbs. Simple as that.