This hasn’t gotten much attention today, but it’s my vote for the soundbite with the biggest chutzpah quotient of the year:
President Barack Obama needs to show the same resoluteness in tackling the deficit as he showed in his Nobel Prize speech, Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) urged Friday.
Bayh said it would take a political act of courage similar to what Obama demonstrated Thursday during a speech in Oslo, Norway in order to help slash the deficits.
“It would be a nice domestic parallel to the speech he gave in Oslo,” he said during an appearance on MSNBC. “We need to bring the same sense of resoluteness to tackling the deficit and getting our spending in order.”
Yes, it would require courage to destroy the domestic economy.
There’s a simple lesson that Paul Krugman can provide to all of these deficit warriors. The economy would need to create 300,000 jobs a month for FIVE YEARS to return to full employment. The closest we’ve come to that since December 2007 was last month, which was… a little over 300,000 jobs away. We have double-digit unemployment and private businesses are still not providing sufficient demand. Incomes are not rising, consumers are not spending, and until either or both of that happens, jobs will not return without public investment. And not of the “tax cut for small businesses” variety, but real public investment in jobs.
This is the worst possible time to put on plastic armor and go into your backyard and yell “Wolverine!” in arguing for cutting the deficit. It’s not a matter of being resolute, it’s a matter of being foolhardy.
Ideally, the Federal Reserve would actually fulfill their mandate and start creating jobs, but it’s helmed by a conservative who is more concerned with the safety and prosperity of the banks than of the public. They need to expand the flow of credit and they haven’t. But that’s a political problem, one Barack Obama could solve by finding a new Federal Reserve chair who understands his core mission.
There are some in Washington who understand that this deficit reduction talk is a crock, and indeed, the commission that Kent Conrad and Judd Gregg put together would have more veto points than a normal bill, making it almost impossible to succeed, no matter how “resolute” everyone is. So we have a great deal of lip service being paid to a skittish public that doesn’t understand economics very well. A
whole lot of lip service.
But if the Administration takes this advice and thinks that the public contradiction between wanting jobs and wanting deficit reduction must be accomplished all at once, it’s going to be a difficult few decades for the United States of America. And the problem would be a surfeit of “deficit warriors” who thinks that staring down poor people is a sign of character.



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Great image. Still chuckling over that. With your permission, I might use it myself.
Bayh is enemy #1 as far as I’m concerned. All the Democrats know people like Nelson and Lieberman are independent assholes who it’s best to try to work around. But Bayh is the true cancer in the Democratic party, he would gladly hand control over the issues to the Republicans as soon as he can convince enough people in his gang of 14 to actually give a fuck what comes out of his stale white bread mouth. Sorry for the rant, I just totally despise him.
Where did all these smart Senators take college economics? At least Reagan had some economist’s backup for his voodoo economics flimsy as it was. These dimbulbs seem to think that macroeconomics works like a personal bank account–when there isn’t enough money–spend less. Maybe They don’t care much about full employment–they care about maximum wealth to the people that line their bank accounts. (Thusly–the good senator won’t be overdrawn anymore) Follow me John Maynard K. follow me.
I think that taking on the biggest cash flow problems which are harming the economy is incredibly resolute.
If we can get the Green Energy Revolution roaring along then we won’t be sending some $700B abroad for oil and that will make our dollars stay here in America and circulate for all our benefit. Surely Bayh understands the value of that for pushing the economy along, bringing in more tax revenues to gov’t and thereby reducing the deficit.
If we can do health-care reform which gets more people insured (instead of using ERs) and can reduce the health-care cost curve, then surely Bayh understands that will allow the saved dollars to circulate through other parts of the economy which will produce more growth & tax revenues and deficit reduction.
Surely Bayh and others are smart enough and informed to understand that fixing the major cash flow dysfunctionalities will help the economy work better and automatically lead to deficit reductions.
If not somebody should tell him.
Evan Bayh is my senator and I could tell you plenty about Evan Bayh; from his war on the poor to his wifey’s $2 million seat on the board of directors at Wellpoint, but I don’t know if there is a limit to the number of times the phrase “fucking jackass” can be used here.
Dear Senator Bayh,
The best way to reduce the deficit is to RAISE TAXES on those that can afford to pay more. Start by eliminating the Bush tax cuts on the rich. Tax all business activity in the country, whether located off shore or not. Do not allow GS to pay only a 1% effective tax rate likewise GE should pay more then an effective tax rate of 5%.
Secondly, cut the cost of health care, by establishing a single payer or medicare for all plan. Allow the re-importation of drugs.
Next vote for an audit of all federal contracts to determine if the privatization of government services reduces the delivery of same.
Above all, stop the lowering of wage for the American work force. We are more important than the Talent on wall street. Isn’t it funny the very same people, wall street, who demand that labor costs are cut, fight tooth and nail for their own bonuses?
Next, stop the gouging of the American worker who must pay more for health care, pharma, and other products than other industrial nations. Take a hard look at re-instituting the usury limits, reasonable banking fees, and end the bailouts of large banks.
Lastly, spend a year living on the median family income of $50,000.00 + with out benefits. It will amaze you to discover how hard it is with the cost of the basics continuing to rise.
Always remember you constitutional duty to all of the people not just the elites.
Ella…Nice comment but there’s a few problems with your thought processes when it comes to these issues and the thought processes(???)of our elected representatives. Yours is:
SIMPLE…
STRAIGHT FORWARD…
MAKES COMMON SENSE…
but worst of all…
IT WOULD WORK!
Maybe the good Senator will start by actually PAYING for the wars in Iraq, Afganistan, and Pakistan — not just the additional costs of the 30,000+ escalation, but the WHOLE cost (yes, including the mercenaries).
Where were the village idiots on the hill during the first lesson in Econ 101? You know…
YOU HAVE TO SPEND MONEY BEFORE YOU CAN MAKE MONEY.
Same goes for the US economy. Get the middle class working and producing again and all those peeing their pants about “the future of our grandchildren” will be able to take off their diapers…
evan bayh–legacy trash in the senate.
the guy’s part isnt the only thing that is out of whack.
That’s exactly right. They have been seduced by the conservative metaphor that the federal budget is like your personal bank account. Not admitting that the federal budget also includes capital expenditures, and that they are accounted for in a way that is different from the way that private assets are accounted for.
Now the problem is that most folks don’t recognize that with their mortgage and credit cards, their debt situation is worse the the federal government’s. And that all the federal government has to show for it recently is a bunch of obsolete military systems still in the research-development-production pipeline. Not to mention those obsolete systems that the DoD cannot get to die because some Congressman thinks of them as jobs.
Wonder how he wound up on Obamas’ shortlist for VP
No limit, fire away!
Exactly. For the economically mentally challenged like Bayh that’s called investment—where you front money expecting a reasonable return. This is NOT expense, which is unrecoverable and contributes to the deficit. Like the expense for the Afghan/Iraq war for example.
And maybe if selfish jerks like Bayh would stop thinking of the Beltway and their personal situation as a typical national example they would be better off. But hey, I guess it’s just easier to trot out simplistic but worthless good intentions than it is to have the courage do something redemptive. Why not just cash in at the expense of those you serve?
We need some ridicule soundbite/meme campaign to attack the shit out of this American nepotistic dynastic royalism. In an honest world Sen. Evan Bayh should never have happened. Let alone Luke Russert.
“Let alone Luke Russert.” – or Russ, or Big Russ, or fucking Big-Ass Russ, before him.
“It would be a nice domestic parallel to the speech he gave in Oslo,” he said during an appearance on MSNBC. “We need to bring the same sense of resoluteness to tackling the deficit and getting our spending in order.”
Sure Evan. Too bad you don’t have the courage or sense to actually propose anything like the foregoing–just leave the heavy lifting to somebody else–like your children. You are just another worthless hack cashing in personally at the public’s expense.
It is so hard to see people like bayh who are in office based on their last name, not on their real value to society. bayh and bayh’s wife’s value is in providing for the increase of profits for big corps(es). There are others in office who slid in because they chose a party that didn’t have too many ahead of them and worked to get to where they also could get on the gravy train (yes, harry, you DINO). For both types, it is simply a question of who pays more, not what is really good for the country.
I don’t know if it’s possible to fall in love with a screen name, but I’ve been reading your posts in the comments over the last couple of weeks and always find them spot on, and straight to the point. I’ve said for days now that I wanted to tell you just how much I love your posts, and today I’m finally doing it.
Please, keep it up. Your straightforward way of cutting through the bullshit is refreshing and fun, and I love it.
This whole deficit weeping act… is about attacking Social Security as much as anything else.
…comes the revolution. People will not stand for that and the country will go nuts. DC will have to be an armed camp – which, of course, is not impossible.
We’d all like to get by with lower spending, yet the cut taxes & cut government approach of the Reagan/Bush years has been given 3 decades, to deliver on the prosperity it was supposed to create — saw a cool site; Balkingpoints ; incredible satellite view of earth
Drowning the Government in the bathtub, will most likely commence with Public Education before moving to Soc.Sec.
You mean Bayh is a Democrat?
From all his talk, I thought he was a GOoPer.
His legacy? Hell!! He’s trashing his family’s legacy, not just his own.
Ask folks in CA about that. It’s already drowned here.
It’s amazing that California (pop:36 million) does not in the minds of Obama’s Economic Advisors pose a threat to the American Economy, while Gold Sacks (pop: 20 thousand) apparently did, and the Fed continues to shovel 0% liquidity into it’s insolvent black hole.
would this jerk just declare himself a Republican and get it over with?
he is such an embarrassment to his progressive father’s memory !!!!
Evan Bayh has been affliated with both the Bilderberg Group and the Council On Foreign Relations.
If you do not understand what this means with respect to the American economy or American foreign policy you have much to learn about how they function to sustain the material interests of folks like, well, Evan Bayh.
What they want to do is cut the government spending of those most vulnerable. Of those who have little or no capacity to challenge the cuts.
They fear the deficits will eventually fuel inflation. Even hyper-inflation. And they will sacrifice the interests of Main Street over and again to obviate that.
Creating jobs is fine until the unemployment rate gets low enough to put those looking for work in a position to demand better wage/benefit packages. That triggers inflationary forces in the economy. The Fed seeks to avoid that at all cost.
So what they are trying to do now is make 10% the new “normal” unemployment rate.
So what kind of brain farts are they peddling in terms of inflation scare driven deficit reduction when we are looking at a deflationary spiral?
It seems to me that a 8-10% new normal would not be sustainable with the help of even the best of Madison Avenue (or, Axelrod) driven Propaganda. Thats 20 plus million of unemployed / collecting permanently expanded unemployment insurance? Don’t see it happening.
We are witnessing an all out upwardly biased transfer of wealth under Obama’s auspices, which will leave the economy so crippled and the government (Democrats) so dysfunctional and universally despised that I cannot see it ending in anything other than a massively scaled popular uprising on Obama’s watch, driven by both the wing-nut (populist) right and the disaffected left.
What is worrying is that the left is fast asleep, and that when it all shakes out, the right will wind up holding the upper hand. Not a happy prospect.
Thanks for the kudos. I know I sound angry, but it’s because I am. I voted for Goerge McGovern in ’72 and have voted straight democratic ticket every year since. Finally I thought this would be the time I have always dreamed of. I feel like the Congressional Black Caucus. Always counted on only to be taken for granted. Well, by God not anymore. Next election I will sit on my ass. And if anyone ever wants to actually fight for something like we used to do, I want to be invited. I have yet to pitch my first rock.
I’m angry too. I think I may be angrier than I was during the Bush administration.
Every issue, every goddammed issue, this President and this Democratic Congress has used the opportunity to make whatever proposal or issue it is more for the liking of the corporations and less for the good of the people. I had always come to expect that from the Republicans, but this shit is unbearable.
This healthcare fiasco is just the final straw. Obama is as much a corporatist as any Republican that ever got in there. I feel bad for the Obama apologists though, as they still haven’t come to grips with the reality of what he is. And the Democratic Congress? Passing the Stupak amendment??
Angry doesn’t even begin to fucking describe it. And if this country doesn’t wake up, and wake up soon, and be ready to fight, then it’s gonna be too late.
if you haven’t yet:
More Easy Money for Wall Street
“The sales pitch for financial-reform legislation pending in the House claims it would put an stop to “too big to fail” bailouts for the leading banks. The reality is the opposite. The federal government would instead be granted unlimited authority to spend whatever it takes to prop up the big boys when they get in trouble. Only in the next crisis, Congress won’t have to be asked for the money. The financial rescues will be funded by the secretive Federal Reserve, not the Treasury, with money the Fed itself creates.”
continue…..http://www.thenation.com/doc/20091221/greider
There are a few posted comments to Krugman’s quoted column taking just that position. They make direct parallels between personal economics and government economics. And of course, nobody knows any history, let alone anything about the Depression and how it was handled and mishandled.
Not to mention that the Repubs are using the very same foolish arguments that the Repubs of the 1930′s used, in the very same words.
Amazing.
Of course, deficit hawkism is nonsense. If you haven’t already, see the following diaries here, here, here, here,and here.
Btw, Warren Mosler whose work is discussed in the last three of these diaries calls some of the beliefs held by folks like Bayh, Gregg, Conrad, and many others in the Senate and the Executive Branch, “deadly innocent frauds” (see the last three links for links to his work). I’ve abbreviated this as difs, and suggest that who those who are pushing this position might occasionally be called “difsters.” -:) -:) -:)
This’ll make us all fall over in a faint. According to this U.N. official, it was international drug money that rescued the banks. LINK.
If true, surely we can have our TARP funds restored to the Treasury now, right guys?
emptywheel just put up a post on this. Be sure to check it out!
The best way to fix both debt and deficit is to put the country back to work.
Trying to worry about those things in a recession, and with much of the Country out of work and not paying taxes, shows this guys ignorance.
David, we miss you.