There’s now video of Joe Lieberman supporting the Medicare buy-in concept – not during his 2000 or 2004 national campaigns, but in a discussion with the Connecticut Post just three months ago, in September 2009.
My proposals were to basically expand the existing successful public health insurance programs Medicare and Medicaid. In the case of Medicaid, to allow people who were above the eligibility level to buy into the Medicaid system, under the theory that it would be up to a certain income level, under the theory that they would buy into it at less than the market rate of health insurance.
When it came to Medicare I was very focused on a group — post 50, maybe more like post 55. People who have retired early, or unfortunately have been laid off early, who lose their health insurance and they’re too young to qualify for Medicare.
What I was proposing was that they have an option to buy into Medicare early and again on the premise that that would be less expensive than the enormous cost. If you’re 55 or 60 and you’re without health insurance and you go in to try to buy it, because you’re older, although to me still young and vital, you’re rated as a risk so you pay a lot of money.
Lieberman is looking back favorably upon those proposals while not specifically endorsing them today. But the points that he is making – that Medicaid or Medicare expansion as a buy-in would be a cheaper play for individuals than purchasing health insurance as a high-risk customer – is true, and actually it can be expanded. It would also be cheaper for the federal government to expand Medicaid and Medicare than to provide the kind of subsidies necessary to make insurance coverage affordable for these groups. And, it would be cheaper for total national health spending as well, in all likelihood.
Lieberman is actually NOT a stalwart vote for protecting Medicare, as we’ll get into in future posts. He was using the Medi-Choice issue in his national campaigns as a way for him to talk about health care reform positively. He has no national career, and now no incentive to do that anymore. So he can simply let thousands die in an attempt to humiliate liberals and block any meaningful bill.
However, he was defending a contradiction in his record. By September he was already talking down the public option. So he played up the Medicare buy-in as an alternative. Senate Democrats called his bluff. And he reversed himself without blinking an eye.



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Podesta: Democrats Will Pass Health Bill With or Without Lieberman
John Podesta, the former White House chief of staff who ran President Obama’s transition and still advises the administration on health care and other issues, today expressed confidence that a health care bill will pass despite the news that Sen. Joe Lieberman will filibuster any legislation with a public health insurance option or a Medicare buy-in for 55 year-olds.
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PD toolbar!”My guess is that musty folders on reconciliation got dusted off this morning,” Podesta told reporters at a breakfast sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor. The reference was to a budget procedure that requires only 51 votes to pass and can’t be filibustered.
they don’t call him “Traitor Joe” for no reasons
Joe, stop the political game-playing and say it like it is. It needs fixing and you’re not helping.
KO and Rachel? While you’re putting together your broadcasts, you might consider carving out a “Smokin’ Holy Joe” segment. This guy needs some serious klieg lights trained in his direction.
this is exactly the sort of thing that drives people to reactionary and immature behavior:
http://www.illiterateelectorate.com/2009/12/joe-lieberman-has-balls-on-his-chin.html
hehehe
Well, Obama got elected with less than 60% of the vote. Why are we messing around with 60% as a new finish line?
He can teabag himself. Now there’s some serious Wingnut street cred…
We should mail LIEberman’s office some teabags!
someone over at another thread called Joe “balloon dad” for the Insurance companies.
so hoping that SNL or the Daily Show pick up on that image. A balloon shaped like the one that floated across the skies of Colorado with Lieberman face on it. The insurance companies being the dad who lofted the balloon. It keeps popping up at all of the Senate meetings, in front of the cameras where Obama and Reid are speaking… the balloon Senator.
would be great to see the Baloon pricked and hit the ground
Minority rules!
Lieberweasel has shown Himself all through the years, and even when his party of his State dumped Him, the foolish people of His State re-elected Him as a independant.
So blame Him if You must for being a slimball, when He has never tried to hide it.
You for some reason won’t put the blame for Him where it lies, in the voters of His State.
It is sickening that this Country wants to say the voters are King, but won’t call out the King when they are wrong.
I sure hope this is one video that goes viral. Harry Reid should play it on the Senate floor.
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I don’t think he cares about contradicting himself. His job here is to exact the best possible deal for his corporate masters in Hartford, not to be internally consistent with his arguments. He knows he probably can’t win reelection.. so why would he care about anything other than the 7 figure package he wants from Aetna?
Someone needs to put the question to him in its simplest terms:
“So you are saying you were for it before you were against it?”
And then watch him squirm as he tries to explain the nuances of how the Senate passes legislation.
What a monumental ass. Can we get the Italian guy that walloped Berlusconi an H1B Visa? He is sorely needed here.
Good idea…
Well, I might send him a few teabags of the special Chinese dieter’s tea. Yeah. I’ll have his staff brew a nice cup to sip as he filibusters. Drink up, Joe-boy, drink up!
Joe’s excuse, from MSNBC:
Here’s the response from Lieberman’s office:
Senator Lieberman has long been concerned about making health care more affordable, especially for those over the age of 55 and not yet eligible for Medicare. One idea that has been discussed for years is expanding Medicare to people younger than 65. Senator Lieberman’s comment reported by the Connecticut Post in September was made before the Finance Committee reported out the Baucus Bill, which contained extensive health insurance reforms, including a more narrow age rating for pricing health insurance premiums and extensive affordability credits that would benefit this specific group of individuals.
These health insurance reforms and affordability credits have been strengthened in Senator Reid’s Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and will provide even greater relief for those 55-65 years old. Any inclusion of a Medicare buy-in for that same age group would be duplicative of what is already in the bill, would put the government on the hook for billions of additional dollars, and would potentially threaten the solvency of Medicare, which is already in a perilous state. The Senator also has concerns that this provision would result in cost-shifting that would drive up premiums for others, including those with employer-based coverage.
Love the idea! Let’s hope SNL does do a skit!
What a *$%>ing #$%&head.
I was going to donate – but I changed my mind. Your organization is so political! Why can’t you separate husband who is politician, and wife, who wants to help? Just because I married to my husband, I have to agree with him and my action is dectated by him??? What country are we live in and we are 1969 instead of 2009? Please! I am one of the RNs working at reknown University Hospital Oncology Unit. Inside news – I have seen Chemo treatments given to 95 years old, bed redden, demented patients… they die from the complication from the chemo. Also, I have seen MANY people who should not be here recieve Stem Cell implant, Chemo and all other treatments for FREE while people with insurence was denied! I decide from now on, I only support non-profit organization with the top staff getting pay less than $100,000 – guys, it is not very hard job. I volunteered for an organization, came to realize I am working for free so that the top or the organization can get to pay a big bucks by the donation people worked hard for! Over 20 years of taking care of cancer patients I wonder this – Who is serious in finding cure? They make more money keeping people sick – just like Democrats… They rather keep people poor and dependent so that they will have more power and control…
BREAK UP THE HEALTH BILL!!!
Put all of the reforms minus the public option and the Medicare buy-in into one bill and then pass it with 60 votes. Then do another health bill with the PUBLIC OPTION and pass it using reconciliation!!!
I wonder if the WH and Reid have any idea that if they cave to Lieberman it will likely be the end of the Democratic Majority, there will never be another Bill passed during the Obama one term Presidency and real Democrats all across this country won’t get off the couch to vote for any of these cretins, let alone open their wallets. On healthcare, Obama has proved to be just as big of pushover as Reid usually is. Most of us are sick and tired of the wimpy excuses. When someone consistently can’t do the job, you get rid of them. So if they can’t rid the Party of Lieberman, then we need to elect some people than can.
Maybe you guys shld stop targeting his wife. Hmmmm.