The results of the latest NBC/Wall Street Journal poll, with parts leaked out by Chuck Todd, shows what polls have been showing for a long time – that without the public option, support for the health care bill on the left is collapsing. If you want to know why the White House wants to get this bill passed quickly, poll numbers like these are a good reason:
Just 32% in the poll believe POTUS’ health care plan is a “good idea,” 47% say it’s a “bad idea.” Highest “bad idea” yet.
Most of the movement on the “bad idea” comes from some of the president’s core support groups, folks upset about lost public option.
Still, large majorities of the president’s core support groups believe his plan is a “good idea,” but the margins have shrunk.
Also: 44% say better NOT to pass the current #hcr plan, while 41% say better SOMETHING passes. First time NBC-WSJ poll had that upside down.
This is not in any way surprising. The public option has outpolled the overall health care bill for a number of months. With the plug pulled on it, of course the overall bill would suffer.
This collapse of support is starting to affect key groups. In particular, organized labor is showing the strain. They held a series of meetings today about the bill and whether or not they should withdraw support. The groups could either formally oppose the bill or deny any resources toward passage.
Labor leaders are fuming at the concessions that Democratic leadership made in the last few days to win the support of the caucus’s most conservative members, notably Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.). A bill that already included one highly objectionable provision (a tax on so-called Cadillac insurance plans) was stripped of a provision beloved by labor: a public alternative to private insurance coverage. Frustration boiled over even further after the leadership succumbed to Lieberman’s demand to jettison even the compromise to the public option — a proposal to expand Medicare to those as young as 55.
I don’t think we should make too much of this – Health Care for America Now, which is a coalition featuring a lot of labor support, quietly endorsed the Senate bill yesterday. But the SEIU backed out of an event where they were slated to offer their support today.
As a result of the meetings, labor leaders vowed to continue to try and improve the bill, rather than formally oppose it. This bitterness over the bill, particularly the parts that labor finds objectionable, around the lack of an employer mandate and the excise tax for high-end insurance plans, could extend into the 2010 elections. If labor denies resources to national Democrats and sits out the midterms, the consequences could be enormous.
Some labor groups, the CWA and the IBEW, are teaming with their corporate employers to oppose provisions in the bill, specifically the excise tax.
The combination of progressive groups, labor and the public withholding support for the bill would make it extremely difficult to keep up the momentum for passage, absent a quick-strike resolution before the end of the year.



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And the White House still thinks is the 10-ton elephant in the room that’s going to save their poll numbers! More like the 10-ton elephant that’s about to stomp the Obama presidency. Worst case of political malpractice ever!
Chuck Todds a moron and cant read a poll for crap. It also seems a good portion of the Main Stream Media is most definitely in bed with the politicians on this issue. They go to white house parties and have diner with the same bunch they claim to scrutinize. As time go’s by more and more of society is turning more liberal and to hear chuck odd’s take on the polls only shows just how disconnected the MSM has become. 2010 is progressive time now that we all learned the Dems are not at all what they said they are. The Tea Party is going to rise…PLEASE. There all old ignorant folk that have been voting for years, nothing new there. Hey, If progressives had a company to pay for buses to Washington like the Tea Partiees has Big Insurance htere would be progressives all over Washington.
Yes. Go Howard Dean. Mary Landreau, the sell out, speaks more crap on Hardball- lying eyes-making nice for Lieberman another traitor and making insincere excuses. How can LA stand her. She is awful. So Chris Matthews grills Howard Dean, a HERO and then tiptoes with Landreau doing her best prissy imitation for Howard. ICK. Hold your nose, close your eyes and ears when you see her.
You sold us out Landreau. LA needs some new political faces.
Read about Chuck Norris’s take on health care reform here.
http://progressnotcongress.org/?p=3412
Hey! Why didn’t Jason Rosenbaum post that on his Daily Health Care News?
I expect to read news like that there first!
Man,chuck sucks. That’s a shame Bruce didn’t really get to kick his ass.
Chuck give a racial breakdown of the poll cause if Obama can’t carry African American support on this states like Michigan and Illinois become impossible to win next election.
Even Rahm can’t spin that into a win for the press.
hahahahaaha, am now loving this. Obama is losing his god-like status, so he wants his arrogant ass saved by quick passage. I am enjoying the collapsing presidency of this asshat.
Thus is what I don’t get. These polls have been saying No PO, No Deal for months now, and my take on the Obama administration has always been that they stand for nothing other what the polls tell them what they should stand for (call it Conscience-Impaired Centrism). So why gave they consistently gone against their usual modus to embrace something even more mediocre than what their mediocre instincts should have been
telling them to do? Are the bribes really that good?
Sure give up Harry and his son would be a start. Next make Obama and Rahm squirm give up Illinois their home state but help Roland Burris win reelection.
Apparently yes.
Ya think? *g*
Btw, As soon as a Democratic WH attacks Howard Dean, they lose me FOR-FUCKING-EVER.
I sat back and accepted that gay issues were to be put on the back burner for far more pressing matters like HCR. Then we are COMPLETELY sold-out by this phony Obama. He can shove the gay dollars I sent him in 2008 right up his ass.
Will not click on anything leading directly to Chuckie’s article. What was the racial breakdown?
It’s a mischaracterization to say that these “concessions” were to win the support of Lieberman. These so called concessions were done at the behest of Obama and the administration. It’s what they wanted all along. The rest was a dance to fool the masses (us). Greenwald is all over this.
Can you say, “betrayal?” I knew you could.
Go Roland Burris! Stick to your guns, man. And get your revenge on that malodorous puke Rahm Emanuel. And his lackey, Obama, too.
I think what we are seeing is that Obama’s admiration for Reagan was deeper than he let on. Be it the tax break to CitiBank or the handing over trillions of dollars to the healthcare industry. Meanwhile the so-called “Progressive”
senators are showing that the word “Progressive” is merely a slogan to hoodwink their true intentions.
As for the attack on Howard Dean, I think WH has completely lost it. They are making sure that it will be a 1-term Presidency.
The reality is this proposed healthcare reform is protectionism for health insurance corporations, i.e. the individual mandate. The corporate beam counters have convinced lawmakers to place a premium, on “Life” itself. The curse of “Dred Scott,” declared “property” raises its ugly head. The failure to control corporate health insurance and providers has resulted in an evisceration of the governed at the expense of Life. Like the institution of slavery, health insurance should be abolished to provide Americans protection for Life and Liberty, from corporates’ undue influence buying law!
The unions are about to find out just how much influence they have in the Senate.
Don’t know I looked at the link just a few videos one about Obama’s poll numbers going down nothing about healthcare That might have been it but I did not want to waste time watching it my net connection is slow.
Still 32% think its a good idea I don’t think those numbers are all African Americans I think those numbers are everybody who does not have the time to follow the issues like we do.
I can dig it.
Any more admiration and I’ll have to wonder if he was a secret college Republican.
With unemployment near 50% in Detroit I am doubting Obama is getting to much African American support.
“The working class and the employing class have nothing in common.”
The Slave owners first response to the abolitionist’s proposal to free the slaves was… “We can’t free the slAves, it will “cost” to much!”
The slave owners where correct, it was very costly. More costly than it needed to be. The cost was Civil War, death and the involuntary servitude of slaves then segregation. Sad to realize the health insurer’s first response to anything benefiting Americans is…. “It will cost to much!” Just like the slave owners…………
here’s the link to Senator Burris, give a note of support!
http://burris.senate.gov/contact.cfm
See, we give the banks the funds to fuck us! Then corporate bank’s tight money policies strangle America, thereby protecting status quo interests…..
This is an “old game” that the American people are just to fucking dumb to realize!
Moulitsas??? says the bill maybe could be made better somehow to Keith????
By who? God?
To Whom It May Concern:
I am disgusted with the American congress! This country is broke, our infrastructure is in shambles, our banks are reaping billions of tax payer money and now, NOW we are held hostage to the health insurance companies. We were promised by Senator Obama during his campaign that we would have change. I thought he meant change for the good of our country, but what he must have meant was that he would leave us a little change in our pockets after he was done with us! He has helped the banks, the insurance companies and the military industrial complex but not the people who truly need a voice; that would be the rest of the 90% of the American people. I know that big business is important to our country and that they employ millions of people, but if they keep sending our good jobs overseas for slave labor and business are enslaving American people by making them pay for broken banks, pharmaceutics and insurance companies and sending our young people overseas to fight in shameful wars, there is no way this country can maintain a healthy standard of living except for the top 1%. It amazes me that the congress and president Obama so blatantly help big business when the democrats promised to help the middle class and people in need especially with health care. We the people need to have a stop gap if we feel that we are not being represented . We the people need a vote of some kind to override the horrible damage this congress and other congresses in the past, that have lied to us over and over, to fix the wrongs and make them right. We the people need to have some way to speak out, like a federal referendum, when the majority who put people in office, are not being represented. We need this option NOW even if it needs to go all the way to the Supreme Court to take back our country and begin a new age of democracy.
So… suddenly I’m feeling much, much warmer about the R obstructionism. Let’s make it work for us. Never thought I’d say this, but how can we help them delay HCR action? At least ’til Ds come to their senses.
(I know, I won’t hold my breath for that last.)
Burris isn’t running for re-election. The probable winner of the Democratic primary is Alexi Giannoulias, Obama’s choice. Although a controversial choice for a political candidate, Giannoulias became Illinois Treasurer in 2006 after Obama endorsed him and made TV ads for him.
Before entering politics, Giannoulias was a loan officer for his family’s bank, Broadway Bank, which had a long relationship with Tony Rezko (http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=199478).
As loan officer, Giannoulias allowed an elderly woman suffering from dementia to take out a $1 million loan on her building (http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/losing-her-museum/Content?oid=1103150). Although Giannoulias wrote a letter to the woman stating “there is concern on the bank’s part due to the past credit history of the three other co-borrowers”, that “(a)ll three have had significant problems in the past with their finances, and “two of the borrowers ….. have been reported for suspected fraudulent activity on the ‘Fraud Finder Alert’ supplied by Chex Systems”, Broadway Bank approved the loan. She was promptly bilked out of the money by the three “co-borrowers” and was left with the prospect of losing her building. A civil suit was filed against the bank but the judgment went against the woman (it was decided in Cook County, after all). The woman somehow managed not to lose her building which houses Chicago’s Museum of Holography.
Google this guy’s name and what you’ll find is absolutely jaw dropping. Right now, in a hypothetical match-up with the presumed winner of the Republican primary, Mark Kirk (a “moderate” who is pro-choice and votes for some environmental legislation but is reactionary Republican in all other aspects), Giannoulias is about 3 points ahead with about 18% (I think) undecided. Both of these guys make Burris seem like an absolute gem.
Obama is about to learn that it is a thin line btwn love and hate. People who love you can become the people who hate you the most if you screw over them enough. I am so looking forward to his concession speech in 2012. Prediction, Obama is going to be the first president to win and lose and election in a landslide. Heard it from me first.
Corporate Servitude, enabled by unconstitutional law?
Health Care is Crippling the Country – Where are the Republicans – Drinking?
Okay now that the Republicans won’t play and big pharma and big insurance have Joe Lieberman all wrapped up who is going to break the monopoly and price fixing that is crushing the middle class and destroying our economy and Country?
Since the middle class and small business (99% of the Country) isn’t getting any help from the Republicans – not one – we need to strip the mandates out that require everyone to have insurance and that provide an economic windfall to the 1% of the Country Republicans and Joe Lieberman answer to.
If we aren’t going to get competition for big pharma and we can’t buy cheaper drugs from overseas (so much for free trade) and we can’t buy into medicare (no public option) how are we to create competition and incentives for the private insurers to lower their cost?
Small businesses just got informed by blue cross their rates are going up 37% this year. There is no incentive for a monopoly to lower costs. The collusion in pricing needs to be investigated and the anti-trust exemption needs to be terminated – with prejudice. The insurance companies have a gun to our head and the republicans are loading the barrel with glee.
The fact remains that In 2007, before the current economic downturn, an American family filed for bankruptcy in the aftermath of illness every 90 seconds; three-quarters of them were insured. Over 60% of all bankruptcies in the United States in 2007 were driven by medical incidents. The share of bankruptcies attributable to medical problems rose by 50% between 2001 and 2007. Most victims are middle class, well educated and had health insurance – (The American Journal of Medicine).
If they don’t fix how much it costs the middle class and keep squeezing us to pay their CEO’s 20 million dollars a year they are going to break the country. The money needs to stay in the hands of the middle class so they can support the broader economy not just a few CEO’s. The insurance companies can’t be allowed to skim 40% off the top for salaries and profit. Their manufactured monopoly has to be broken up by the Government. It’s called governing. It’s the SEC’s job to do this and Congresses job to legislate the rule of law when monopolies are crushing the overall economy. It’s bad for our National security on top of everything else. For all their preaching of free markets the Republicans are elected to eliminate competition and consolidate power for their big business and fiscal allies in the corporate world.
How stupid are our representatives? Spare me the republican talking points they have offered nothing and are only playing politics to win power in their little world of politicking. Meanwhile the Country is crumbling. 1% of the population is doing well. That eventually will lead to civil war. And there are plenty of guns out there.
The republicans hope health care reform and this President fail because they govern for 1% of the country and 1% alone. How can there not be one republican who doesn’t understand the cost of health care is weakening our Country? The republicans can’t do what’s right for the country because they are scared the corrupt who they take their money from can lead the ignorant against them in any election and win because they control the media.
As it has been for a long time the Republican party worrying about their own seat in Congress have sold out to the highest bidder and have proudly become a wholly owned subsidiary of Corporate America. They do “NOT” represent the middle class. Direct your anger at them.
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