Sen. Byron Dorgan is unhappy that his amendment to the Senate health care bill on reimportation, which at one point appeared to have the votes for passage, failed after a late intervention from the Democratic leadership to preserve a deal with the drug industry. But Dorgan goes much further in pointing fingers specifically at the Obama Administration for the defeat, even intimating that the White House wrote a letter from the FDA about safety without the Commissioner’s knowledge.
Last week, he said he heard rumors that the FDA was going to send a letter objecting to drug importation on safety grounds, which he has said is a bogus reason. He said he called FDA Commissioner Margaret Hamburg, who said she knew nothing about such a letter.
He said his timeline shows that a letter, signed by Hamburg questioning the safety of drug imports, was sent 24 hours later to a few senators who opposed importation. That piece of paper became a rallying cry for other senators who voted down Dorgan’s amendment.
“I think the letter was prompted, probably drafted somewhere else,” like “the White House” Dorgan said.
That’s a pretty inflammatory charge. According to the story, the White House has not responded to it. They haven’t yet responded to my query, either.
As David Sirota notes, the FDA is an agency that’s supposed to be insulated from politics, and yet this looks extremely political, if Dorgan’s charge is accurate. Either Hamburg was lying when she said she didn’t know what Dorgan was talking about, or she was cut out of the drafting of the letter entirely. If there’s a better explanation, I’d like to hear it.
If this is true, it’s a genuine scandal. It’s one thing for the White House to oppose a measure, make arguments against a measure on any grounds it wants. But if the White House political staff played ventriloquist for a science/safety declaration from the FDA, that’s a huge problem.
We went through the Bush years – the years of Karl Rove politicizing science-based agencies and their declarations. In fact, this happened at the FDA and specifically on the drug importation issue, as Judd Legum and I reported in a cover story for The Nation. This was exactly the kind of thing Democrats and Obama railed on.
Now, we may have evidence that in order to protect drug industry profits, the Obama White House did exactly the same thing.
I’m awaiting an explanation here.



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It’s all of a piece. Now… all I expect is more the same that we had under Bush, only with slightly better syntax.
Frankly, I could tolerate less eloquence, if it meant that better policy and substance were in the offing.
Good for Dorgan. I wonder if he will have the fortitude to stand up to the administration and withhold his vote until the bill is improved. One can hope, but I won’t hold my breath. Dems are much better at indignation than actually achieving legislative goals.
Breaking any rule for PHRMA but will not lift a finger for real reform. I’m disgusted wirth change and hope.
Dr. Dean is right!
ObamaRahma learned the lessons Bush taught very well.
Nice. Really REALLY nice. I hope Dorgan really digs at this and finds White House politicizing of science. This would would be the finishing blow to any chance that Obama see’s a second term. This would lame duck the bastard immediately. It could even be used to unite the left and the right against Obama (and Rahm).
This is evil but good. It means the end of Obama and his limp dick bullshit.
Dorgan needs to fight to get the reimportation language added to the bill in conference (assuming it gets that far). He needs to declare he is a “HELL NO” vote on the bill without reimportation.
God, I despise Obama more and more every second. I almost approach my Reichwingnut Birther sister in this regard now…only my despite is based on objective fact rather than brain-addled fantasy.
Shooting off e-mails and signing internet petitions has lost it’s original impact on lawmakers.(Chris Hayes)
People; we must raise our placards against this Failed Government alongside anyone who is willing to march. Keybord commandering isn’t working, as evidenced by the HCR fiasco.
Well, maybe we ARE getting some transparency from the White House after all, just not in the way they originally anticipated….
NOTE: That was actually in response to #5.
One explanation: Obama beat Hillary in the primaries on Rovean controlled DIE- BOLD machines. Die boldly indeed with black box voting.
Nothing this administration does surprises me. Their tactics seem the same as the Bush tactics, just wrapped in a prettier ribbon.
Prolly didn’t take FDA long to dig out a similar letter from the Shrub years, make a few changes…voila, new scary letter to “selected” senators.
Well, duh, Dayen, the answer’s right in your posting. She told Dorgan she did not send a letter, and then 24 hours later (as you said) she sent the letter. Dorgan was merely premature in asking her.
The rumor of a letter was floated, Dorgan took the bait and asked the FDA director about it, she truthfully said she hadn’t sent the letter, and then 24 hours later she sent it. Snookered Dorgan, got the amendment trashed, and lives to tell about it.
I hate that Dorgan’s amendment got shot down, hate that my team plays stupid dirty politics, and am still glad the idiotically evil Republicans aren’t in the White House and control neither body of Congress.
You must want to see the Republicans back in the White House.
That makes you short-sighted and stupid.
I guess we’ll have to expand the war on drugs by amending the definition of drug deals and drug dealers. I wonder whether CEO’s and top administration officials would look good in orange?
Stupid is a condition.
Ignorance is a choice.
*g*
you betcha wink wink
oh.my.god.
When we said we hoped Rahm would be a Democratic Karl Rove, that’s not what we meant!
It’s entirely possible to foresee a primary challenge to Obama in 2012. Opposing his re-election, at this point, doesn’t presume a GOP presidency after his.
If she wants to run an honest, non-political agency, and your scenario is right, she shot herself in the foot.
If she was telling the truth when she spoke to Dorgan, then got a call from the WH saying “send the letter,” she owed it to Dorgan to give him a heads up. “What I told you yesterday is no longer true. I’m sending out a letter . . .”
If she didn’t give him a heads up, but (as you put it) snookered him, that puts her whole “I’m running a non-political science agency” credibility right into the toilet.
Don’t worry the Obama administration will be a one term as he’ll no doubt be challenged by someone in his own party.
SHARROD BROWN IN 2012
How did 1980 work out?
The Iranian hostage crisis nixed Carter’s chances, not the Kennedy challenge.
When ObamaRahma (love that word) pimped HCR high ground for pharma’s (lousy) BJ, the insurance sponsored clusterf*ck in Congress was inevitable.
Who needs Margaret Hamburg?
Plus, primaries have the advantage of getting the incumbent’s attention in a BIG way, and making them pay attention to their base.
I think just about all candidates should be primaried and we quit putting up with the incumbent protection racket.
[waving hi!]
I think it is rather obvious that Obama is politicizing science agencies. Most recently we saw this with the EPA on CO2 (agree with the EPA or not, the finding was handled most politically and apparently the WH had been using the EPA as a political threat against Congress for months). Given what happend with the EPA, it would not surprise me in the least that the FDA was being used politically by the WH…and there’s probably other agencies too that we just haven’t heard yet where they are being politicized.
The Senate was in bed with the insurance companies before Obama got elected. He certainly didn’t do anything to “Change” that.
Kleptocracy at it’s finest.
Many things hurt Carter. Kennedy was among them.
But, this discussion is crazily premature.
Hi Kelly.
Obama will pay attention to the base whether there is a primary challenge or not. If reelected he will immediately resume kicking progressives in the teeth while canoodling with his fellow kleptocrats and fellating moneyed interests… perhaps that’s the multi-dimensional chess I keep hearing about.
Yep, double-digit inflation, etc.. He’d have had a tough go of it even without the hostage crisis.
Flawed president that Carter was he’d have been infinitely preferable to Ronnie but that’s water under the bridge.
Just as Obama will be infinitely preferable to Palin.
Or Romney, or Pawlenty, etc..
Every vote I’ve ever cast was for a lesser of evils, pretty much reflex by now.
It wouldn’t be beyond the FDA to do this all by their own accord, the FDA has been bagged and sold to Pharma many, many years ago. Drug safety my ass, which country has the biggest outrageous off-label abuse in thw world? Which country has the highest amount of convictions and multi-billion settlements involving the pharmaceutical industry? The FDA is in criminal disregard, it still allows pharma to perform ‘try and error’ clinical tests untill yoy get your desired outlier ‘clinical proof’ (compared to placebo, ScamTron proved a 5% effeciency). Some small print that pharma can no longer hide the failed clinical tests (yeah, that helped, really).
It would also totally be a typical Rambo trick. Regardless, it’s the same old, same old.
{Inject favorite Casablance phrase here}
Also the under-the-table deals involving the hostages.
Iran-Contra should have resulted in some of them being in orange jumpsuits, but it didn’t, and we’re still paying the price for that mistake.
Dick Durbin stated on local television 2 days ago that the bill was killed because of safety concerns over drugs imported from China. I was astonished by this answer. Seriously, people in Canada, France, England, Holland, etc., ect. are all dying from ingesting imported drugs? How stupid do you believe we are? (That was a rhetorical question, we know how stupid they think we are.) ObamaRahma punked us. This administration is treating us the way the repukes treat their constituents. Saying all the right things – “I feel your pain, God first, I hate the brown people and the gays, I’ll kill 45,000 people to save one fetus” and so on, all the while doing nothing that will upset the corporate balance. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if the letter was politically motivated and that’s just sad. Good on Byron Dorgan. I hope Bernie, and my other senator, Roland Burris throw a wrench into this mess when its time to vote.
For one thing the hostage crisis gave St. Ronnie added incentive to bankroll Saddam Hussein. Without U.S. patronage he’d have been just another two-bit tyrant instead of a world class pain in the bum.
You’re right. We challenged Bill Young in 06 and 08 knowing we wouldn’t win but even the great Bill Young’s staff took notice. Got on the ballot both times with signatures and the 1st time took more votes than any other Dem against Young. Lost in the primary in 08 to a Rethug turned Dem just to primary Samm, supported covertly by the local party. We scared the hell out of the local Dem party in 06. Totally grassroots, all volunteer.
The semi-official word is there was an agreement to close the medicare donut hole completely in conference (target date 2019) as opposed to a half closure. This is supposed to be why Dems agreed to vote against Dorgan. Of course that just means the gov’t pays the sky high prices.
The letter has been around for many years, every time re-importation has come up. It’s a travesty that a Democratic appointee would put their name on it this time.
Dorgan would have helped consumers more and faster. The administration was scared junking the Pharma deal would have unleashed a huge advertising campaign against HCR.
The plan was to achieve HCR this time by dividing and conquering the enemies- pitting Pharma against other health industry segments.
Absolutely. And Ollie North’s amnesia and soft-pillow treatment set new precedents for many bad things to come.
Is it any wonder that the Obama administration refrained from holding accountable the crimes of the last administration? They knew they would be doing the same things. This is the change we can believe in?
As the duplicitous nature of the Obama administration continues to unfold in the coming years Dorgan might make a worthy primary challenger.
If he does win re-election it could be more ammunition if the Republicans decide to impeach him. There can be little doubt that they will make significant gains in Congress in 2010.
Agreed. Sit at a keyboard is just were they want us. Out of site and basically harmless. Now people on the streets, that’s a different matter. Just look at the impact a few thousand teabaggers had. Congress critters were wetting their pants.
The A-holes in Congress (95% anyway) really do think the American public is stupid and they are grateful for it. They forget, however, that some do pay attention.
Carter owed his flawed presidency to the 1968 flawed Democratic Convention and the consequent disheartened Democratic base. As a result, the Primary Election rules were changed, as were the rules for the National Convention Delegations for 1972, which made it possible for Gary Hart to manage George McGovern’s victory at the convention. (I know there need to be footnotes, but footnotes always piss off the intelligent readers.) Carter made savvy use of all the ‘loopholes’ in the Democratic Primary process, along with the Watergate fallout. He was not a Party kind of guy, coming out of nowhere. The Democratic Party gave him no support when he wouldn’t fill his administration with the Party’s Northern liberals, so to speak. The Kennedy challenge was its misguided proof. He never had a chance. He brought men who had been boys home from Canada. He also didn’t send boys anywhere to die, and that’s very damn significant. He was one of our worst presidents but better than most.
You must not know many intelligent readers, then,
Footnotes are where all the good stuff is hidden.
Ha! That’s not saying much for the curve they’re on.
It was a parenthetical remark. I doubt there are any links to reliable first-hand accounts, though old stuff gets digitized every day. When Carter was elected is when ‘cable TV’ became national (Turner’s Superstation). There was no CNN, no C-SPAN. When the hostage rescue attempt failed, there was no quick, genuine public inquiry; only later did we learn, in a footnote somewhere, that Oliver North was on the ground with radio control during that failed mission. By “footnotes” I gather you mean what the Congressional hearings refer to as ‘Executive Session’.
Read post, now to read comments.
This is phreakin huge!
HCR Watergate?
Radical thinking, but I’m sadly in agreement with this . . . the HCR Watergate . . . brings down a presidency.
I think if you’ll review and research the process of who won and why, and search archives at Brad Blog, you’ll find NO evidence of what you posit.
But hey, it’s a free country . . . . .
So who’s culpable for interference with governing, not to mention constitutional malfeasance?
Just askin, not spoilin for a fight . . . ;-)
You suggest there are NOT copies of this letter?
And where do you get your timeline?
What’s your evidence of when letter was sent/rcvd and when Dorgan made the call to Commishtress?
Shit, even YET another way this could have happened.
Well done hoss, clever as shit . . . . . man the games we play . . .
Did Teddy challenge Carter? I’ve totally forgotten them dark ages . . .
Hmmm . . . mkay, agreed.
*wavesback*
It was done handily by the previous admin over 8 years, and all the sleepers are still in place.
There’s merit for your posit . . . sick as it is . . . damn, shitz gettin worse daily.
Why is it the light of day makes slime run?
It’s well documented, and well reported, that Reagan made a back door deal with Iran, held it to announce AFTER the election, and the hostages were THEN released.
That’s what got him elected, the failure of Carter to get the hostages released, that and the gas lines.
Not much else swung that election aside from Reagan’s whole schtick.
Hated him as gov of CA, hated him as Pres. He destroyed this country single handedly in his times.
Won’t be Palin, but there WILL be a GOP well primed and ready to knock Obama off.
And that person will have a lot of ammo at disposal to do so, with a bad economy, no jobs.
That alone could swing the election, huge.
Obama and the Dem’s have fucked we the people over, and the Dem Party, too.
And I have no idea why, other than they are all bought and paid for, and don’t care what party is in charge.
Plenty of lobby money to be made, status quo of the flow of wealth upwards.
They just don’t get that, this shit can’t go ON forever, and NOW is about where it’s gonna crash hard on them.
“Shocked. I’m shocked . . “
The second flight of Air America . . . and few punished for such misdeeds and horror they wrought on others.
Good one, yep.
The good Senator should just call the White House.
The signs of corruption in the Rahmobama administration are becoming more & more evident. I feared that Bush’s corruption and disregard for the rule of law would set precedents for other Presidents, but I didn’t think it would be President Rahmobama. To say I’m disappointed would be an understatment. I voted for Rahmobama rather than McCain, but was really hoping for Hillary to get the nomination. Rhamobama had a very weak record, voted “present” 100 times in the Illinois senate, even on the pro-choice legislation, which he said he was for. He seems to have wanted to hide his positions so as not to offend either side as he already had plans to run President. That makes him a weasel; he deceived the American people and let down those who got him elected. If this behavior of betrayal continues, I will vote in 2012 for the Republican candidate no matter who it is, even though I have voted Democrat all my life.
This charming little episode goes hand in hand with this White House’s indifference (or outright hostility) to the concept of cost controls in healthcare reform. Our drug bills will continue to rise because of the WH’s secret deal with Big Pharma. Our premiums and medical bills will continue to rise because the WH, abetted by Republicans and dirty-dog Democrats, won’t offend Big Insurance with cost control mechanisms. We’re screwed here, folks. Obama is morphing into Bush–just with, as an earlier poster cleverly observed, “better syntax.”
The thing is, it won’t work. By the time 2016 rolls around and the nation is pretty much ready for revolution… Naomi Klein’s “disaster capitalists” will step in, declaring Medicare an insolvent venture, and targeting every safety net we have; from food stamps to hospice care. We’re subsidizing religious organizations right now, and don’t think they won’t say, “let traditional charities serve the poor.”
For all I know, it’s in the Cosmos… the deck is being stacked before our eyes.
He gets one more chance, and that’s his State of the Union Address next month. He’s well aware that he’s being regarded as a miscreant, a dissembler, and a huge disappointment. Me, I won’t believe anything he says unless Jane Hamsher and Marcy Wheeler are sitting in the gallery next to his family, and he acknowledges Marcy and Jane as the real bringers of light, and promises to veto any health care reform bill that doesn’t meet their unqualified approval.
Actually , it was the other way around. hillary beat Obama in the states that used the die bold machines. Caucus states in the primaries went to Obama.Even NH had higher Obama numbers from rural areas that did not have the machines. There was some real funny business there in NH too. As in people having access to the ballots who should not have. Refusing to allow the public to investigate.
NY , in the primaries , showed no votes for Obama in Harlem. The police transported the ballots there.
We won’t have honest govt. until we have clean elections.
Ever wonder just what a president could or could not do if he happened to be president of a fascist country?
Chris Mathews was saying hillary was the inevitable president when she was seen on the news shaking hands at diners…Obama was drawing huge crowds.
If Americans demand nothing more of this president than he has “given” us in recent weeks, then we DESERVE Republicans in the White House.
Dorgan is full of it. Following his admendment their was Lautenberg’s admendment just like his but requiring the HHS Secretery to certify drugs safety. Dorgan was one of 79 Senators that flipflopped their votes on the 2 admendments some went Yea to Nay others Nay to Yea. This way they could guarantee neither would pass. Matter of fact Dorgan voted against Lautenberg’s admendment and Lautenberg against Dorgan’s admendment. As the Dorgan admendment came first it absolutely would not have made sense for him to vote against Lautenberg’s admendment once his failed.
They are doing their best to make believe, but have been found out
I’m sitting here in the sixth happiest State in the Union and just read about how the Indonesian Octopuses have learned to use Coconut Shells for homes. Folks, this keyboard strategy of Blog and Rale is not working. I remember in the ’60′s when people actually left their comfy homes and marched in the streets. This is a strategy that works. We do not have to go to Washington and summon TV Networks; just demonstrate locally in front of your Senator or Representative’s Office. This would be very effective in Arkansas, Connecticut, Louisiana and Nebraska. There are consequences for the Stall and Kill Reps regardless of party affiliation. Now for the Ultra unhappy, get your ass on a Bus and go to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with a sign expressing your beliefs. This Duly elected Prez has sat idly by while 535 Bureaucrats and an untold number of Lobbyists have written this UNGODLY health bill. If this is any indication of how he proposes to govern in the future, we are screwed.
For all of the railing against the Bush policies and tactics during his campaign, he sure is bending over backwards to keep the “traditions” alive.
We know who is masters are, and they are not us, they are the exact same corporate and big money special interests who bought and paid for the previous administration.
It is clear now, or it should be at least, that regardless of who we elect to live in the White House, the true leaders of our country have been, and continue to be the corporate and big money special interest groups.
“Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”
-The Who