Andy Stern, the President of the SEIU, published a letter to his membership on the union’s website today, saying that they cannot accept the Senate health care bill without fighting to improve it.
In the letter, Stern cites Joe Lieberman (not by name) as the one Senator saying “no we can’t” to an up or down vote on the Senate bill – of course, there were other conservative Democrats with similar concerns. He weighed the pros and cons, and agreed that the coverage expansions and insurance regulations are worthy goals. But he wasn’t blind to the negative aspects of reform in the Senate bill:
And while it is not entirely clear what the Senate bill will look like, it is becoming clearer that:
For many people, care will still be too expensive to afford.
Some of you would face an additional burden because your health insurance benefits would be taxed.
And the best way we saw possible to hold insurance companies accountable was no longer an option.
The first point is really key. Health reform is starting to look like a way to make coverage attractive to those least likely to use it, while making those most likely to use insurance – such as older customers, who would have to pay rates four times what the young pay, with no sense of where that age-banding begins; or those with pre-existing conditions, who would get charged 50% more – unable to afford it. As Jon Walker put it, “This sounds like a recipe to price out the old (nonprofitable) and force only the young (profitable) to buy insurance.”
Mcjoan had a host of other points to make on the weakness of the insurance regulations, including the most important fact, that there’s no regulatory framework created at the national level to actually enforce these rules.
On the excise tax, this is obviously a key concern for unions, and the best practice would be to enact a carve-out for those who arrived at their health benefits through collective bargaining. The White House is trying to defend the excise tax by saying that it only impacts 3% of all health plans, but with health inflation not expected to end with this bill (perhaps slow down if everything goes well), that 3% number will grow. The CBO score tells you the number will grow. That’s why reformers like it, because it raises more revenue than health inflation!
Finally, Stern cites the public option, or any way to hold insurance companies accountable and reverse incentives in the market, as a key element of reform, along with a real employer mandate like what exists in the House bill, as opposed to the atrocious “free rider” policy in the Senate’s.
After laying out the particulars, Stern says that his organization will fight for improvements – and he calls on a certain DC resident to fight as well:
President Obama must remember his own words from the campaign. His call of “Yes We Can” was not just to us, not just to the millions of people who voted for him, but to himself. We all stood shoulder to shoulder with the President during his hard fought campaign. And, we will continue to stand with him but he must fight for the reform we all know is possible. He must fight for Cynthia, Maria, and Gerry – for every American.
Our challenge to you, to the President, to the Senate and to the House of Representatives is to fight. Now, more than ever, all of us must stand up, remember what health insurance reform is all about, and fight like hell to deliver real and meaningful reform to the American people.
This is one of the first times that any union has publicly called on President Obama to actually use his power as President. It’s significant, in that context.
UPDATE: I have confused the 4:1 age banding that was in the Senate Finance Committee bill with the 3:1 age banding in Harry Reid’s current bill. I regret the error.



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Demand Obama veto any bill which does not have a robust public option.
Do a Ronnie and make them produce the bill he originally promised to the American people.
Obama won’t veto anything. He’s in business for the corporations and the rich. Far better than Bush, but let’s be honest.
He originally promised health care reform.
He himself changed it to health insurance reform after he got elected and found out health care reform was too much work.
Demand? Obama? Yeah, right, that’ll work. Next thing ya know he’ll want to give Medicare to Aetna.
I don’t understand why it’s somehow acceptable to people like Senator Rockefeller for Joe Liebermann to block the Senate Health Insurance Bill in order to remove the public option and Medicare buy-in, but when Howard Dean says he then won’t vote for it Rockefeller thinks Dean is “wrong.” Because Dean is a Democrat and Liebermann is an Independent? Then remove Liebermann from the caucus if he’s not going to cooperate!
I say what’s good for the goose is good for the gander: let Dean and Sanders and other progressives block this increasingly monstrous bill until some progressive elements are put back IN for a change!
Yesterday Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight asked 20 provocative questions of people advocating killing this bill. Markos Moulitsas of Kos and John Walker of FDL thoughtfully answered the 20 questions.
Today Nate responds to Markos and John. It is an interesting read.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/20-questions-20-responses.html
I am not happy with the current state of the bill, but there’s a problem with letting it fail.
You know how much we hated it when Lieberman said he knew he had to oppose the Medicare buy-in because liberals liked it too much? Think of how happy the republics and tea baggers will be if this fails. They’ll cackle with glee and hurt themselves patting each other on the back. They’ll have Obama’s health care scalp.
That. Can. Not. Happen. So I say, pass it and fix it in conference.
I don’t have insurance and I can’t afford insurance. This bill would set me up for paying a fine as the age group I am in I just could not afford the premiums, and for what, it has little it covers.
They are still missing the point. The individual mandate is unacceptable without a non-profit public option (or equivalent) and/or Medicare buy-in for ANYONE who wants it. The individual mandate alone makes the senate bill, in its present form, illegal and unacceptable. It is nothing more than government-enforced profits for private corporations with punitive costs associated with those that refuse to participate in this fascism.
Think how happy they’ll be if the senate bill gets passed and makes the medical care debacle much larger.
I believe I can speak for Progressives and maybe some others that it’s curtains for the Dem Party if there is no single payer type health care emerging from Congress. Regrettably the demise of the Party may be the end of any hope for the common person here in this country. So we must say goodbye to our beloved Democratic Party…may she R I P.
Will the fine be lower than the premium? If so, your path is clear.
Please don’t take this personally, but you appear to be only concerned about a political win against those who are not interested in reform. If it is a dysfunctional bill, why perpetuate it any further. This President, god bless him, does not care whether the bill is reform or not.
does stern have a plan for fighting to make the bill better or is this the equivalent of a sternly worded letter?
(i’m giving him the benefit of the doubt by not asking if it’s kabuki).
The problem is that Democrats have so horribly botched this, they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t.
Either way Democrats are going to suffer (and more importantly, We the People are going to suffer) in 2010. But I think passing the bill at this point will hurt them even more.
Voters are going to be livid about being forced to buy crappy, private insurance – but what little benefit for the people that’s in the bill (if there even ARE any real benefits left) won’t be felt until at least 2014.
So as I see it, Democrats are going to look either impotent or evil. Neither of those things is good, but IMO it’s less bad to look impotent.
I’m no procedural scholar, but can’t the mandate be removed during conference? And then do a public option & Medicare buy-in with reconciliation?
I want to see Obama come out and say, “I tried to work with the minority, but they don’t want anything to pass, so the Democratic party is taking care of it.” Call me a dreamer, it’s ok. I’m used to it.
OMG, as I understand what some senators are saying about Bernanke, he is allowing only some staff into his office to review certain docs, but the senators themselves cannot see the docs. That’s an amazing act of nose-thumbing.
Yeah, the mandate “could” be removed during conference. And I “could” win the lottery this week. Considering that I don’t buy lottery tickets, I consider either scenario to be equally likely.
The fact that my Senators, Schumer and Gillibrand are just letting this happen after saying they were firm about a public option, makes it clear to me that they are not telling the truth, and so why should I care about what your concerns are for the image of people who do not tell the truth or who just roll over and play dead when it seems that party loyalty is more important than getting the job done right.
No Single-Payer, No Public Option, No Medicare Buy-in at 55, No Antitrust Protection, NO COMPETITION, and $450 BILLION for Corporate Welfare for the Private Health Insurance Industry, with permission to jack up premiums for pre-existing conditions (making the ban on refusing coverage meaningless), higher premiums for older people… AND a mandate FORCING me to BUY IT???
LIBERAL BASE to President Obama and the US Senate: EFF YOU!
I contributed made $72,000 in 2008 and contributed over $600 of my hard-earned dollars to support President Obama and a Democratic-controlled Congress, and THIS IS WHAT YOU COME UP WITH IN THE SENATE????????
EFF YOU.
Why should I support any of you spineless, corrupt a$$holes? I believed in you, and now I feel TOTALLY BETRAYED. My other progressive friends are just as outraged as I am.
GET YOUR SH*T TOGETHER. Pass something that does not require taxpayers to pay the Private Health Industry half-a-Trillion dollars to F*CK ME IN THE A**.
EFF YOU!
No, seriously. EFF YOU!!!!
Agreed for if people are forced to buy private insurance they will call Obama a Corporate Welfare Socialist King.
I’m not only concerned with a political win, but yes, it is part of it. The other, more important part is to fix the bill when it’s merged with the House version.
Obama and the Dems need to fight to make this better, and stop caving in to whining from the conservatives.
I sent my two reps (only vote in one district but have addresses in two) sternly worded emails. Didn’t even bother to do that with Schumer or Gillibrand, as they are lost causes.
Yep. Socialism’s OK for corps, not people.
and they are still going to vote for him? yikes.
Unless a Democrat does it then the Tea Baggers will hang Obama.
If the Senate Bill passes as it is, the Dems in Congress and President Obama will have a full-out taxpayer revolt on their hands.
And we’re still being extorted because you can’t do the taxpayer revolt without stripping yourself of health insurance coverage, even at extortionate rates.
Maybe we need to cut back withholding on our paychecks, and when the bill comes due in April, subtract what we’ve paid for Health Insurance as a great big FUCK YOU to the Democrat Controlled Federal Government that I worked my ass off to elect!
I am so pissed off I can hardly see straight.
No, the senators who are making that point are going to vote against.
Added on edit: Rs are the ones who are complaining about lack of access to docs.
That’s funny. I don’t even try with Murphy anymore. I have given up on him since he voted against the House measure claiming that he was just protecting the tax exemption of the local paper industry. What a bunch of industry shills.
How do they plan on enforcing the mandate? With car insurance it’s pretty simple, you get pulled over, you either have insurance or you get ticketed for it. Are they going to make doctor’s call the cops if you show up without insurance?
We need Campaign Finance Reform in the *worst* way. These douchebags in Congress are totally corrupt.
Polling seems to be bad for this bill and it only just got announced I would expect polling to get worse the longer it takes to pass this bill.
My hope is that a few Dem Senators care about reelection or being President someday and realize a yes vote on this bill hurts those dreams.
A filibuster on this bill however could get even the most unknown Senator from the smallest state some huge media attention.
Penalty when you file your income tax form is the enforcement mechanism.
I want a liberal Senator to filibuster this piece of shit.
I think any reference to hanging Obama, particularly given he is the first Black President, is absolutely unacceptable.
Maybe they could just add it onto what the government already takes out of your paycheck?
And if you don’t pay the penalty fine levied by the IRS, you become guilty of Tax Evasion. This is insane.
Corporate Socialism — The worst of all possible worlds.
PISSED!!!!
Sorry I just meant in in the he’s screwed way not the violent way I see your point.
but that would be obstructionist. when a lib does it
I think that we need to take a politically feasible position on what is an acceptable bill.
Would we accept, say, the House bill? If not, how must that bill be modified: expanded medicare coverage, expanded access to the PO? wyden’s cost-related amendments?
What’s the worst bill we will accept and what are we shooting for?
Yes. Ditto refernces to O being bought. Someone typed that yesterday and I didn’t call it out. There are other ways to express displeasure without reference to a horrid history.
This outrageous piece of garbage NEEDS to be obstructed! By a liberal on principle.
Kabuki. Same thing with EFCA, which without “card check” is worthless.
So we have to provide proof when we file? What a complete load of crap. More shit to do when filing. Maybe I’ll take my tax stuff to Feinstein’s office and make her do my taxes, make her earn her pay for once.
Only one, and a small one, of the problems associated with mandates.
There is a movement over at Eschaton ( can’t say how serious ) to unsubscribe from W H mailing list…sounds good to me.
I agree. I’ll accept it if they take out the mandate.
I’m not sure I’d even accept the House bill, though it’s better than the Senate’s.
The only way the mandate is even remotely acceptable to me is if every American subjected to the mandate has a real, legitimate public option to choose instead of private insurance.
Otherwise, the mandate needs to go.
I’ve already unsubscribed.
Heh. I never got on it to begin with. But I am assiduously unsubscribing from all the D party mailing lists.
True but the Tea Baggers will call it, wait for it…National Socailism. The number of PR mistakes the Obama team is making trying to pass this bill suggests that Obama was not a genius his political team was not internet geniuses nope they won because of Anyone But Bush.
I’m thinking that if Hilary had gone more Left in the Primaries she would have got all that internet funding Obama got. I’m thinking any Dem eventual front runner would have.
Thanks to the Net I think who ever gets the most cash from small campaign contributions will likely end up the front runner and they will win the general election.
Assuming facts not in evidence. Hillary’s even more to the right than O.
Or at least an affordable, non-junk option.
One thing that’s kind of weird, is how all the big business types are so quiet on this. One of the bigger expenses they have right now is paying for healthcare for their employees, seems like they’d want to bring costs down on that. But they’ve all been pretty silent. Too stuck in their bullshit objectivist philosophy perhaps, who knows.
Sadly, the WORST bill we will ‘accept’ is probably the BEST bill we can hope for.
Businesses are quietly cutting back on medical benefits. They don’t want to draw attention to that.
ah, i should have guessed.
….
watching cspan now. chairman lieberman hearing on the creation of a cat food commission.
greenspan and walker panel starting momentarily
How spectacularly incompetent must the Democrats be to come up with a bill that actually makes the TeaBaggers appear utterly prophetic?
When I posted my rant above on my Facebook page, one of Glenn-Beck-loving buddies from high school actually posted, “LIKE” in approval.
These idiots I worked my ass off to elect are making the effing teabaggers look like they were RIGHT!
Instead of “pulling the plug on Grandma,” they’re throwing Grandma (and the rest of the Middle Class) under the bus!
My theory is thats why she lost she did have the most cash early on, the most name recognition, the press said she was the front runner, she knew the issues.
My theory is that the voters knew she knew the issues but they did not like what they heard heck the Obama Presidency might very well be called now the Hilary or McCain Presidency.
Emptywheel has a fresh cross-post up: “The MyBarackObamaTax”
yeah. my moment of unrealistic optimism was probably due to recent caffeine self medication.
I can hardly wait to switch. Gonna stick with cspan3 until the vote.
If there is no public option or Medicare Buy-in, the Mandate has GOT to go.
Or at least remove the anti-trust exemption on Health Insurance Companies, so we can at least have REAL, good old Capitalist COMPETITION. I wouldn’t like that, but I could (*puke*) live with it.
greenspan warning about fed debt and dangers of entitlements.
i’m breaking my self imposed multi-month long refusal to watch congressional hearings in real time for this one.
Yes its like having the Bush team in charge again only without 9/11 to bring the country together behind the President. Lizard Brain fear helped Bush, the GOP always claims Obama was elected on a cult of personality, liberal guilt etc.
They don’t seem to realize the anyone but Bush current in the election was a rejection of GOP ideas first, the man second.
Obama seems to be acting though like he thought he had a cult of personality. When actually it was ideas that drove this election.
Who could have guessed.
16-7 in favor of Bernanke. Now to join you.
i can’t wait to read what bill mitchell, warren mosler, james galbraith, etc will have to say about greenspan’s testimony. if it wasn’t for them, don’t think i could watch.
Exactly. We progressives have GOT TO scream and LOUDLY to our elected reps and to the Obama campaign and to let them know, unmistakeably, that progressives feel he has completely fucked ALL OF THIS up.
thank you, thank you. your company will be so very welcome.
Man of the Year!
Next thing you know, he’ll get the Nobel Prize.
And, no matter how disappointed I am, I hope I never resort to typing in all caps a similar comment over and over.
Then it is time to either lie on the docs or join with tax protesters in general and quit paying taxes on the basis of there being an illegal corporate welfare penalty being collected by an illegal government.
Let’s hang out here in epu-land.
Talk about a biased panel.
This mandate is like solving a transportation problem by requiring everyone to buy a car, mass transit is too hard. Then, the only car they make available to you is a Hummer, and an underpowered one at that. Boneheads.
Has anyone tried to get into http://www.barackobama.com? I’ve been trying to get in, but I keep getting an OpenDNS error page saying that the site isn’t loading.
Very hard to watch Droopy Dog.
Word! I’m outraged by this bait-and-switch. I don’t want their stinking coverage, I want care! Single payer-style. Prevention is far, far cheaper than crisis management. And that’s the real point, right? We’re just cash cows for the corporations.
I already pay more in taxes than many a corporation, why should I be double-billed for health care, then depend on the tender mercies of robber barons? “Because they paid off the right politicians” doesn’t cut it.
I’m not an appetite on two legs, a “consumer.” I’m a self-sovereign citizen, and I demand my rights from my public servants. Fuck “consumer protection,” I want sovereign protection!
I just got in, no problem.
Too late for me. I unsubscribed from that and all Democrap mailing lists long ago. If I had waited, I could at least be part of a mass unsubscribe message to the DLCers.
good idea. i think the next thread is EW anyway, and it would probably be rude to go there for hearing watching
Where does this Peter Peterson clone get his poll numbers?
Absolutely!
and
http://archive.fairvote.org/?page=1668 !
Is this a mutual masturbation society, or am I missing something.
Coal Camping
“Saint Peter don’t you call me ‘cause I can’t go
I owe my soul to the company store…”
-Tennessee Ernie Ford
Of all the things the Senate’s health care package doesn’t guarantee, there’s one thing it almost surely does: The further shrinking of the middle class, as employers who had stopped offering health insurance begin doing so again.
Why? Because it’s the perfect justification to pay people less, while making them more beholden to the company.
In West Virginia it was called “coal camping” – when mining companies built the town and owned the store.
What’s about to happen with health insurance won’t look much different.
“What’s that?” your boss will say. “The government is requiring you to buy health insurance? Maybe we can help you out.
“Let’s see… Even though we said it was too expensive before, we’d hate for our employee to risk breaking the law. And we can sure buy coverage under a group plan cheaper than you ever could as an individual.
“I’ve got it! Why don’t you buy coverage from us? Let us save you money, along with all the paperwork and hassles?” they’ll salivate.
“Of course, we can’t do this for free! Besides your premium, we’ll need to tack on a little something to cover our administration costs. But don’t worry! We’ll deduct everything right from your paycheck. You never even miss it! Sure, you’ll be getting less money every week – but you’ll have health insurance, for less than you could buy it! AND you won’t be breaking the law!”
Coercion, curtailment of freedom, and health care as a privilege, not a right.
Brought to you by the United States Senate.
Also known as the company store.
Cross-posted at TheMalcontent.com
hahahaha!
verging on a state of surreal giddiness here. Q: would more coffee help or harm at this point?
Word! right back. I HATE the crap of the President referring to CITIZENS as “consumers”. We aren’t citizens. We aren’t the People. We aren’t human. We are anonymous “consumers” for corporations to stuff at our expense. Nothing more.
Bullshit Obama. I’m YOUR boss. You are fired as soon as your contract is up in 2012. I have chickens that could do a better job as President than you have done asshole!
only the sadism.
I’m confused. Is America at a tipping point or at a crossroads?
If you’re still here. Check out this graphic:
http://www.gregpalast.com/store/
Ya like fedoras, doncha?
A strong shot of spirits or some wacky weed might be the only amelioration.
I buy hats, then almost never wear them. Trying to go cold turkey.
Party at eCAHN’s. I’m in.
i’m clueless.
I just thought you might like the picture. At first, I thought his raised glove was a hand giving “the bird”. Not a turkey, tho.
Here’s my favorite in my collection (mine is slightly different but couldn’t find an exact match). Bought it in Berlin the weekend before Monetary Union.
Mimosas? got both champage & orange juice in the refrigerator.
knowing me, that would compound the giddy state.
i’m going with coffee out of morning habit.
…. and i’m imagining warren mosler on the panel (i’ve heard him speak a couple of times via podcast, been reading his blog and i can picture him pulling no punches and showing them up as idiots and fools).
never thought i would say this BUT WE NEED TERM LIMITS.
A NEW CONGREES
Agreed. Term limits and take redistricting out of the hands of politicians. NO SAFE SEATS.
What’s the purpose of this panel? The camel’s nose under the tent of destroying SS, Medicare & Medicaid?
Had to see someone at the door, but got in at the end of Walker on Medicare, etc. He didn’t seem to say anything useful, except that it’s a big problem. Did I miss anything?
HA! How come that’s not so hard to imagine? At least with chickens, the manure would be good for something other than burying our hopes and dreams.
Heh. Burris suggests that campaign finance reform is a precursor to any meaningful change.
I hate term limits because they reduce voter choice, but we definitely need to take the bribery out of the election process. It is disgusting to see Congressional Reps and Senators acting as shills for the corporate interests that contribute to their campaigns.
I see that you’ve left, but I can’t resist: I’ll take that hit for ya!
Besides, term limits wouldn’t stop the corporations and lobbies from buying elected officials. They would just pick a new candidate and flood his/her coffers with corporate monies.
Are you aware of what happened to term limits for NYC mayor? When Bloomberg wanted to run for a third term, he just had the City Council overturn them.
That too.
The ol’ pass it and fix it in conference trick, eh?
If the Senate bill ever makes it to conference, the same who blocked all good amendments to the Senate bill will never allow any of the more Democratic amendments from the House bill. Think Stupak will be dumped? Hardly.
And if Democrats dare pass any bill stripping women of one iota of their hard fought rights, they will dead fu**ing meat to to voters nationwide.
ding!
you didn’t miss anything. i think you’ve got it exactly right (which is why i’m trying to watch/listen).
Bernanke’s on the boat. He mentioned it in his comfirmation testimony. I think not in the prepared remarks, but in A to a Q.
every once in a while i’m tempted to write a diary about what these assholes (well some of them, summers for example) did in russia. killed 3 million people in just a few years with their neoliberal economic policies.
McCain wastes time on earmarks.
Naomi Klein did a pretty good job on that.
This is nothing more than a list of hortatories.
Greenspan sez that govt finances should be like household finances. Forgetting of course how worried he was about govt surpluses and what a great idea it was to give them away to rich folks.
so agree. in my fantasy diary she would be a source for background (also stiglitz’s globalization and it’s discontents) and there was a very good paper in the jan 15, 2009 lancet, mass privatisation and the post-communist mortality crisis: a cross-national analysis with the details.
The lancet article sounds like a good source with rich details. More probably than I’d want to read in full, but would love to see a summary.
i’m pretty sure (mosler, galbraith, mitchell, wray, etc) that is just 100% wrong for fed gov because since nixon went off gold standard we have a non convertible currency and floating exchange rates.
There are many reasons why that statement is foolish.
I’m bugging out to get some lunch. I’ve had my fill. Sorry to leave you selise.
i made notes at one point. it’s really a good/interesting paper. i’m so behind on self imposed list of things i’m want to do, i don’t expect to every write that imaginary diary, but i’ll go get the paper and see if my notes make any sense for a comment here while we’re suffering from listening to greenspan, lieberman and walker
don’t blame you…. think i will take off then too. we’ve got the main message…. and this hearing is really painful.
Mmmmmmmm. Yesterday we had the cookie exchange at the gym and I’ve got plates of yummy sweet breads. Banana Nut, Pumpkin and Persimmon. (I’ll leave the fudge in the fridge. *g*)
Unless…we get the munchies. double *g*
When and if it goes to conference, don’t worry, since this was the bill that BO wanted in the first place, nothing will get fixed to our advantage, As they used to say on “Laugh In”, you can bet your sweet bippy!
And another thing! The Progressive Caucus, last week sent WH a letter requesting a meeting. Letmesee, that will be a week tomorrow. Oh, that’s right, PC = enemy.
Government finances are nothing like household finances and never ever have to be. To argue that is ridiculous and shows a basic misunderstanding of how government and money actually operate.
Does not matter what color you are.Just not a good thing to say anout anybody.
WE WENT OFF GOLD IN THE THIRTIES.
Don’t you mean Whoretatories?