The Hill had a story today about how some liberals and labor groups were easing their threat to “kill the bill.” That is perhaps best exemplified by Andy Stern, who followed up his open letter to members with a conference call just now. In it, he sharply criticized several aspects of the Senate health care bill, but said that he supported passage through the Senate, “to move this bill to conference where the real work needs to be done.”
Asked specifically whether or not he supported the Senate bill, Stern said, “We’re for putting the bill into conference. We don’t like the bill, it has to be improved, but these Senators won’t do any better.” He urged one or two “obstructionists” to get out of the way and get the bill off the Senate floor.
This may be seen as a contrast to Howard Dean’s firm stand against the Senate bill. However, Dean said clearly that “I’m not giving up on health-care reform” in his Washington Post op-ed today, noting the good points of the legislation and expressing a hope that it could be fixed in the Senate or in conference. So Stern and Dean are actually not quite as far from one another as you would think on this. Asked about Dean’s stand, Stern said, “Howard Dean has always had a strong perspective. We take our marching orders” from the SEIU membership, which he said needs the expansion of coverage through subsidies and Medicaid.
As to the specifics that Stern would like to see fixed in conference, he used some of his members, all of whom have a variety of problems with the current health care system, to highlight them. Melody Collins, an RN from Maine, said that the bill needs “strong, enforceable regulations on private insurance,” and the Senate version isn’t there yet. Athena Jones, a personal care assistant from Virginia, is not offered coverage by her employer and cannot afford coverage on individual market. She argued for better affordability and more generous subsidies. Another woman talked about how her union local has a high-end insurance plan subject to the excise tax, because they negotiated away salary benefits in the past.
Stern argued for stronger insurance regulations to close potential loopholes, greater subsidies, the ability for part-time workers to have the opportunity to have health insurance, and eliminating the excise tax on high-end plans. He also expressed support for the public option, but was pessimistic on whether that could be accomplished in conference. On the other points, however, he said that there is an opportunity to improve the legislation, and that SEIU would “do everything we know how to do to try and improve it. This is not just going to be the Senate bill ping-ponged back to the House.”
Stern would not say whether he was prepared to walk away from the bill if the changes he sought didn’t materialize in conference, preferring to look forward. “The only thing we’re fighting is to improve the quality of the bill,” he said.
He added that “America has waited too long to turn back now. It’s time for the senators to take a vote, time to move to conference, and write the final chapter of history… books need endings.”




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Thanks, DD.
The senate bill has only an 85% medical loss ration.
It needs at least 90% unless there is a public option for ALL.
Otherwise, the mandate is a giveaway.
Bill also needs the COBRA extension of the HOUSE that permits anyone on COBRA or state extension COBRA to keep their group insurance by paying for it.
Sure it is expensive, but it is another option for those with existing health problems or on maintenance RX.
Currently COBRA expires after 18 months.
Can someone tell me whether a conference report can be passed with 51 votes in the Senate and can it be filibustered?
Whew! Here I was afraid Stern might crawl out of the veal pen. What a relief!
Why on earth should any of us believe that the same dishonest brokers who haven’t been able to lead their way out of a wet paper bag, who ardently believe in all the advantages only a corporatocracy can provide, will wake up in the conference committee and craft a bill worth passing???
Thanks Andy! As if Obama and Congressional Dems hadn’t already insulted our intelligence enough. Thanks for piling on you weasel.
I wish I had an answer Peterboy’s queestion; David do you know?
What I do know is I’m so tired of the kabuki re ‘confertence cmte.’; as I noted here “Both the House and Senate must approve the report of the conference committee or the bill will be sent back to them for further work.”
Again, given what the Senate has showed us and what ObamaRahma has done, why,of why, does anyone think that if positive changes were made in the ‘conference cmte’ that such would be accepted by the Senate?
Finally, someone on the left with the good sense to realize this is worth doing now,a nd the sooner the better. Get it into conference, make it as good as we possibly can, and move on. We’ve still got to get a massive jobs bill done in time for the 2010 elections.
the House just passed an extension of the COBRA subsidy for 15 months as part of their jobs bill.
Yes, I know that BUT-as someone who still is unemployed- COBRA payments,even with a subsidy, are still too high for someone who is not getting near the max payment for U/I.
AND the insurance companies have been raising rates,etc.
Please believe me when I say I’m not full of negativity, just very realistic.
Obama promised change but what is occurring is just more of the same practices that keep the system biased against those without monetary wealth.
what sucks is that it doesnt cover folks who lost their jobs in the first 8 months of 2008, and it doesnt but should extend COBRA eligibility beyond 18 months–until the exchanges exist.
sure it is costly, but there are folks who will pay anything to keep their group insurance and NOT go bare.
we need a COBRA extension of the deadline. see section 113 of HOUSE 3962.
The HOUSE has it but not the Senate bill.
It is free of cost to the Govt.
Yep, SEIU and labor have forfeited their right to lead.
At this point, I’d agree to toss the free speech rights, as pertains to campaign finance, of labor and the veal pen nonprofits overboard if our opponents would ditch corporate interests.
Can’t we just increase business taxes by 2% and finance health care for all?
NOt arguing against the extension but simply speaking of the fascts. Those that can afford the coverage or can’t but still find they must keep it, I’m glad the extension passed(and the Senate will probably follow given what the extension is attached to)
But you are aware of this and how many people live in CA and are unemployed?
It used to be said of CA that it foretold national trends; well if that is so,please read this.
Per Senator Sanders office, the conference cmte. report cannot be filibustered AND it can pass with just 51 votes.
a big ah ha moment–learning that a conference cant be filibustered.
the fix is in…i hope ihope hope hope
I am aware of how many are unemployed in CA, and also what fun it is to deal with the state offices.
I lost my job 3/1/08….I have had dozens of interviews and I am still a recovering worker, making bean soup every week.
several sources on the web — you can google conference committee and filibuster — say bringing the conference report up for debate CANNOT be filibustered but the content can be filibustered as can the appointments to the conference committee.
so it is not really a clear shot once it gets to conference.
[ubetchaiam @ 11, I can't imagine how that false information was issued by the office of Senator Sanders. They are wrong, except for one thing: the motion to proceed to a conference report cannot be filibustered (it's non-debatable) - as peterboy indicates @ 13 - but the report itself can be. Also, no final conference report can be amended in either the House or the Senate.]
Conference reports can be filibustered in the Senate.
As was proven just this past weekend, when Harry Reid filed a cloture motion to forestall a (threat to) filibuster the consolidated appropriations bill conference report. [The cloture motion was filed Thursday, the cloture vote (needing 60 votes) was held and passed Saturday morning, and the Senate then passed the conference report (by simple majority) Sunday afternoon.]
So the “60 vote” excuse and obstacle will remain after conference. Getting to conference is no magic bullet.
Furthermore, from an earlier comment of mine, this is what the secretive conferencing process looks like:
nice summary of how this will work.
dont make the bad the enemy of the good.