With the votes to pass health care in the Senate a fait accompli, everyone has turned their attention to the conference committee, and the numerous knotty issues involved in reconciling the House and Senate bills and arriving at something that can pass both chambers.
Democratic Senators spent the weekend vowing that whatever comes out in conference must materially look like their bill, or it will not be able to pass the Senate (conference reports can be filibustered). Kent Conrad offered a sample of this argument on MSNBC:
“I think the reality is also very clear: If in overall dimension and context this bill isn’t close to the Senate bill, there will be no way to get the 60 votes here,” said Conrad, who also rejected the notion of the House being forced to simply accept what the Senate is expected to pass this week.
But John Conyers released a statement saying that major changes needed to be made before the bill would be acceptable to him. I’ve included it at the bottom of this post. But let’s set out the key issues Conyers wants changed:
• Affordability: Conyers argues for more generous subsidies to make health insurance affordable.
• Medicaid expansion: The House bill has Medicaid expanded to 150% of the federal poverty level; the Senate bill stops at 133%. Conyers wants the House version in the final bill.
• Public option: As expected, Conyers argues for a public option to compete with private insurance companies.
• Repeal of the insurance industry’s anti-trust exemption: We will see if the repeal was not inserted into the Senate bill to secure Ben Nelson’s vote. Harry Reid has talked strongly about repealing the anti-trust exemption, and the House bill had it included. There’s every opportunity to include it in the final bill.
• Excise tax: unions and progressive leaders are pushing strongly for the House’s version of financing, dropping the excise tax on high-end insurance plans that financed part of it and substituting it with a surtax on millionaires. Sen. Debbie Stabenow also noted today that the excise tax should be relaxed or eliminated. The White House has said that the excise tax is a major cost control component of reform, so they’ve staked some of the bill on it. In addition, Ben Nelson has objected to the House surtax on millionaires, saying “that would break” his promise to vote for the bill.
Crucially, Conyers added that the House has a role to play in constructing this legislation:
“Lastly, I am troubled that some Senators believe that the House must accept the majority of the concessions embodied in this Senate bill. My message to the these Senators is this: Just as it took compromise to pass your bill last night, so now will it require additional compromise to successfully reconcile your legislation with the House. The Constitution established a bicameral legislature so that neither body would dominate the other.
There will be another interested party in the room – the executive branch. All along, President Obama has said to get to conference and he would iron out the wrinkles. Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) said today that the President will need to get personally involved in the deliberations. So whatever decisions get made will reflect the goals of the President, not just the Congress.
Here’s Conyers’ statement:
“Last night’s vote in the Senate should be applauded for what it was:
an affirmative statement by that body that comprehensive health care reform legislation should not be held captive any longer by a select few.” “As this legislation moves towards its constitutionally mandated reconciliation with the House of Representatives, I also want to make it clear that, in my mind, this bill does not adequately address many of the problems that plague our current system. Without material changes, this legislation will be reform in name only.”“In order to pass the House of Representatives, a final health care must have universal affordability and competition to the American people. Additionally, it should be financed by those with the ability to pay and not by working class Americans lucky enough to receive quality health coverage through their employers.”
“I supported the House bill because it included serious provisions aimed at helping individuals who currently cannot afford to purchase health care by providing subsidies and expanding Medicaid to 150 percent of the Federal Poverty Level. The Senate bill passed last night does not ensure this same level of affordability; there are fewer subsidies and the expansion of Medicaid is not as extensive.”
“Similarly, I supported the House bill because I believe that it is immoral to continue to allow the private health insurance industry to operate without any real checks on its ability to charge unaffordable premiums and deny needed care. That is why I believe competition, as provided through a national Medicare-like public health insurance option and the repeal of the industry’s antitrust exemption, is a necessary component of true reform.”
“The sole remaining ‘competition’ provision that remains in the Senate’s bill is woefully insufficient. These multi-state non-profit plans run by the Office of Personnel Management will not be transparent; they will not have a built in network of doctors; they will not allow us to move away from the wasteful fee-for-service system that inflates costs; and they will not attract a risk pool big enough to create real savings and efficiencies for consumers.”
“The American people have already experienced private non-profit health insurance. It hasn’t worked in the past and there’s no reason to think it’s the answer now. Relying on private insurers to police other private insurers is like asking the fox to guard the hen house.”
“Additionally, the excise tax levied on certain “Cadillac”employer-based health care plans in the Senate legislation must be altered. For years, many workers chose to forgo wage increases in exchange for helping their employers offer comprehensive health care plans. The Senate’s efforts to tax these plans will hurt working families and it contradicts the President’s pledge that individuals who like the health coverage they have will be able to keep it. I strongly support the House’s approach to financing health care: an excise tax on the incomes of extremely wealthy Americans.”
“I look forward to working with the Senate and House Leadership to ensure that the final health care bill address these core principles of affordability, competition, and progressive financing.”
“Lastly, I am troubled that some Senators believe that the House must accept the majority of the concessions embodied in this Senate bill. My message to the these Senators is this: Just as it took compromise to pass your bill last night, so now will it require additional compromise to successfully reconcile your legislation with the House. The Constitution established a bicameral legislature so that neither body would dominate the other.
Tags: antitrust law, Barack Obama, conference committee, Congress, coverage subsidies, excise tax, health care, John Conyers, Kent Conrad, Medicaid, public option



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However, I suspect that nobody will take conyers seriously(or any others who previously supported the PO and other progressive “must haves”). I fully expect Rahm to issue his “don’t worry, these people are in hand” quote, followed by house collapse.
Though the Senate is difficult the margin of passage in the House wasn’t large either. I would expect both chambers to show respect to the other as the Founders wanted. They both ‘live’ under the same roof and neither is the step-child of the other.
Thus, who is on the conference committee will be very important.
On the contrary, who gets to dictate to the official conferees behind closed doors will be very important. [And Elijah Cummings is apparently already begging for that dictation to come from Congress's White House Daddy, according to the report in The Hill.]
Here’s a refresher about the unseen backroom machinations that took place during the stimulus bill conference earlier this year, presciently titled “Taking the Hill”:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/magazine/07congress-t.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all
See also this timeline in two parts that I put together in March from real-time reporting about the outward manifestations of that secret stimulus bill “conference”:
http://letters.mobile.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/17/dodd/permalink/68cf40fc53a0da957a23ef2e2a321a7a.html
http://letters.mobile.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/17/dodd/permalink/197ec4c0ca8ea0744c30cf93377cb27b.html
A timeline excerpt:
Maxine Waters had precise instructions for the conferees, in no uncertain terms tonight on Countdown: preserve the public option, or else.
Candidate Obama will return in 2011!
(as we call him the person who acts like a progressive, he said he wanted to be like Ronald Reagan)
In the meantime how the OwnerShip Class plans on keeping the Congress and White House Conservative.
The OwnerShip class did not like 70% of the nation liking Democrats in 2008.
No worry, in comes President Obama who transforms into Bush once he walks in the White House.
Obama and Rahm are going to get a lot of Dems wipe out in the 2010 midterms. (Obama and Rahm don’t really care, they are Republicans)
Obama has done a tremendous job of destroying the Democratic Brand, the drop from 70% favorable to 40% favorable has been rapid.
Candidate Obama will return in 2011 along with the Troops from the war front.
If progressives want to get a kiss and hug from Obama you will just have to wait until 2011. (he will also hug and kiss the UNIONS in 2011, but with the Republican Congress in charge it will just be empty word like 2008)
If President Obama wins in 2012, he will again screw progressives.
The major damage President Obama will do to the Progressive movement will hit in 2014, when people are force to buy insurance.
People who have never thought about politics will join the fight against progressives in 2014, they will be fill with anger, because they have to buy Insurance.
This is why it is important that Progressive let the masses know that this is not a Progressive Health Insurance Bill. I have a strong feeling the Employee Free Choice Act will be another Democrat sell out. Good Luck Unions
Rush Limbaugh the spoke person for the Ownership Class is yelling that this is a Progressive Health Insurance Bill. (remember insurance executives don’t vote for progressives)
The Elites have put together a simple plan to keep Congress and the White House conservative for the next decade.
Progressives needs to Organize!
The 2010 elections are going to be CRAZY!
Some Progressive may have to run against Obama and Bush.
Remember Progressives Candidate Obama will be back in 2011.
Progressives needs to treat 2010 like 2008.
Obama and Bush have a lot in common.
if this site had reco comments, you’d get the pony. NOT cuz I like what you say, I don’t. NOT cuz I want what you say to come true, I sure as hell don’t.
I think if you dug up excuses from Tip O’Neil going along with RayGun in 1982 when I was 22, they’d sound pretty much the same. There are VERY legitimate reasons that the fascist sell out rahm treats our congressional ‘liberals’ with complete contempt – they’re pathetic fucking weenies! Their complaints and their demands are laughable.
rmm.
watertiger is upstairs!
Late Night: John McCain Called. He Wants His Spotlight Back!
OK, so now we know that no republican will break ranks no matter what- boy, was that a snowe job! Let them put all the good stuff back in and see what happens.
Committee?
That’s IF there’s a committee . . . I don’t understand that is etched in stone yet?
The Senate has to put their final bill into a House Shell of some passed legislation (don’t matter what it was, coal, transportation) as an amendment to the original HR Bill (don’t matter what it was) and then Pelosi strong arms quick passage of that and the original HCR HR Bill (forget the number) is completely obviated.
David, thanks again for all you are doing, Jon Walker and Mz. Hamsher too, never have these procedures EVER been so revealed to the general public in such bright light . . . .
And to those kudos, I’ll add kudos to every other FDL staff and diary writing and commenting Pup that’s shed light on so much of all of this.
You folks empower a nation about things that are meant to be fully squelched by the status quo and PTB.
Conyers took the words out of my mouth in that last paragraph. The Senate and it’s 60 Vote Chinese Gymnastics, self-important, locked in, overbearing attitude, is completely unacceptable. Conyers is right. The media blitz by all of these Senators… the “Progressives” in their handwringing, brow furrowed sincerity, extolling the “virtues” of the bill… the outright bullying and abuse in the blogosphere from obvious socks and schills… all makes me cringe. It makes me cranky like a MoFo.
I hope that by the time they are done in conference, that half those old white men are apoplectic… reaching for their meds and tearing out their hair. GIVE THEM HELL CONYERS.
1) Depends who’s on the committee if the House gets any say?
2) Committee depends on if Pelosi can get a Senate bill under House Shell passed without a full vote
Or am I just TRULY messing up what’s on the table for House proceedings?
Can you clear any of this up, TP, on what the House proceedings are going to be?
Does anyone know how many of the original House Progressives have come out and said that they will not vote for a bill without the Public Option? The fact that FDL got so many to agree to this was the main reason that I started reading the site.
It seems like there is substantial animus within the party over this, and while Senators seem to be unwilling to step up to the plate and make this a better bill, members of the House may be willing. At the very least, it seems like the threat of a “Nay” vote may be able to get back things like the Medicare buy-in and the end of the excise tax.
Somehow everything I’ve seen up to now doesn’t exactly get me stoked for conference.
We’re ruled by murdering, thieving, fuck-you monsters. If that can be removed in conference, well good.
Gonna be “interesting”.
Here’s what I think is on the menu:
A. A Congressional deathstare match
B. A total surrender by either body.
C. Something in between.
Anybody here from Lost Wages?
What hath Jane wrought?
Thanks again, this sheds some light on what MIGHT happen, behind the scenes as we GET to the last few stages of the two chamber process . . .
well . . . she said preserve it, or else she would be very unhappy.
I know it’s like wanting the pony, but if Reid and Senate and Rahm have screwed over Pelosi a few times already, perhaps she’s gonna draw her line in the sand on this one, and she DOES have the Prog Caucus to back her if she wants to honor the public option and other items.
Getting around Eshoo and Stupak should be easy . . . unless Pelosi gives up Eshoo for PhARMA profits, and gets in exchange SOMETHING for public option and insurance competition . . . .
Fugly, it’s all fugly and I don’t like prog odds thru any of it.
What the hell, the whole damned country and our systems collapse, with luck a right wing idealogue don’t appear on the horizon to capture the military’s attention, and we begin to rebuild it all over again . . .
Sigh.
That must have been the other Maxine Waters on Countdown. The one I saw kept saying “We’ll see.”
150% FPL medicaid and risk adjustment below 300% most important.
Dorgan was the one in the gang of ten who opposed 150% because of ND hospitals, but the “frontier state” adjustment now covers ND.
This would save $100 Billion over 133%FPL according to CBO and that could be used to subsidize risk as Europe does so that everyone’s premiums could be the same. Older people cannot often afford to pay 300% more for coverage, that’s ridiculous.
This would make up for the Medicare at 55 being taken out.And it would get families between $29K and $33K on Medicaid immediately instead of waiting for tax credits in future years.
Hopefully there would still be some of the $100Billion left over after risk subsidies to improve dental coverage in both Medicaid and Medicare.
the excise tax isn’t going anyplace as it’s the main ingredient of the Senate and administration motive. the 40% excise tax would affect some 20% of employer-provided policies, but in fact would never happen as employers will either lower coverage or eliminate.and that’s the goal of their plan- to wean Americans off of employer-provided premium plans.
I could only infer that Waters has caved in.It was a pitiful display of cowardly equivocation.
how many democrats does it take to hold this bill up in conference committee? and are all the republicans going to vote to stop it?
Some of Conyers statements were renewing my confidence until I read this.
Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) said today that the President will need to get personally involved in the deliberations.
Maxine didn’t seem that pushy on it to me.
That was my reaction too.
Totally disappointed.
Didn’t Bart Stupak (christ, what a NAME on that douche) say that if HIS anti-choice language isn’t in the final bill, he and his block of DINOs would vote against the bill?
And would Senator Boxer really vote for a final bill with the Stupak language intact?
Nothing would surprise me now.
The only people in that entire branch of government I have ANY respect for are Dennis Kucinich & Eric Massa, who voted NO on that piece of shit House bill last month for the right reasons.
Watch the great chorus of “don’t let the
adequateperfect be the enemy of thepermanent subsidies for the gatekeepersgood” as it overwhelms anyone who fails to dissent from the “pass the bill” party line.“whatever decisions get made will reflect the goals of the President, not just the Congress.”
Why do I find no comfort in that statement?
Proof Rahm and his gang of thugs are running the WH.
Just like Cheney and Rove did for bush.
By bullying and typical thug behavior. We can do better than this. Rahm has to go.
“No worry, in comes President Obama who transforms into Bush once he walks in the White House.”
Me Talk Pretty One Day has come to pass, no?
Talking Points Memo reporting House will cave.
“I don’t see how we don’t largely accede to the Senate,” a House leadership aide said.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/house-braces-for-final-painful-compromises-but
One can only wonder if that means because they haven’t an ounce of courage or honesty.
powwow says it all
Rahm is a walking talking wRong Reason and progressives should be harping on this all day and all night long until he gets shit-canned.
Yes. That pretty well describes (almost everyone in) all three branches.