The Senate is in the middle of the second of seven procedural votes on health care reform. In the first, lawmakers voted down a point of order on the Constitutionality of the individual mandate proposed by John Ensign and Orrin Hatch. The party-line vote failed, 39-60. Other votes include a series of additional points of order, a final vote on passage of the substitute amendment (basically the entire bill), and a cloture vote on HR 3590, the final procedural hurdle before tomorrow morning’s vote on the bill. All of these are expected to be decided in favor of the Democrats strictly along party lines. The Senate will pass a health care bill tomorrow (UPDATE: And they’ll pass it at 7am ET, not 8am as previously decided).
But Louise Slaughter (D-NY), a co-chair of the Pro-Choice Caucus and the Chair of the House Rules Committee, has laid down a powerful marker, signaling that the Senate’s bill should be defeated, and suggesting that the Congress start over from scratch.
The Senate health care bill is not worthy of the historic vote that the House took a month ago [...]
But under the Senate plan, millions of Americans will be forced into private insurance company plans, which will be subsidized by taxpayers. That alternative will do almost nothing to reform health care but will be a windfall for insurance companies. Is it any surprise that stock prices for some of those insurers are up recently?
I do not want to subsidize the private insurance market; the whole point of creating a government option is to bring prices down. Insisting on a government mandate to have insurance without a better alternative to the status quo is not true reform.
By eliminating the public option, the government program that could spark competition within the health insurance industry, the Senate has ended up with a bill that isn’t worthy of its support.
Slaughter did not limit her criticisms about the Senate’s bill to the lack of a public option. She said that the age band of 3:1 (insurance companies can change three times as much for the same coverage, in the Senate bill, unlike the 2:1 age band in the House bill) was unwise; she wants the repeal of the anti-trust exemption for the insurance industry in the final product; she prefers the employer mandate in the House bill over the bad free-rider policy in the Senate’s; and she abhors the choice provisions in both bills (though that wasn’t enough for her to vote against the House bill the first time around).
Slaughter concludes:
Supporters of the weak Senate bill say “just pass it — any bill is better than no bill.”
I strongly disagree — a conference report is unlikely to sufficiently bridge the gap between these two very different bills.
It’s time that we draw the line on this weak bill and ask the Senate to go back to the drawing board. The American people deserve at least that.
That is much further than any House progressive has yet been willing to go, and it sets up a major problem for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid as they seek to reconcile the two bills. But fundamentally, Slaughter is negotiating for the best bill possible, and she’s not rolling over to appease the Democratic establishment, the Senate or even the White House. From a policy standpoint, she’s doing what’s right for the bill.




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Well that’s one.
An extremely powerful and well-connected-to-the-Speaker one, yes.
Bravo, Louise.
Time to tell the waffle man to suck it up and dance with ones who brung ya.
David, any insight into this?
Do you mean the Vacillator?
looking like CPC Co Chair Woolsey and CBC Chair Lee have joined in by insisting final Conference product have a PO
Franken. Sanders. Feingold. Weiner.
Bravo! If people swallow this mutated mess of “reform”, they’ll swallow anything. Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman cannot be allowed to dictate the terms to every other member of the House and Senate!
great news.
Any parliamentarian types out there so we know if this means anything, or is this just another politico cursing the dark and appeasing their base?
Slaughter became chair of the rules committee because of her complete loyalty to Pelosi. In the end she’ll do what Pelosi wants, who in turn will probably do what Rahm Obama wants.
But I agree with everything she said. The Senate bill does not merit progresive support.
wow, slaughter is great
obama’s gonna giver her some cheese, let’s see if she likes cheese
Thank you Slaughter! Are there any other Reps at ALL on the correct side of this with cojones to actually stand on principal, to actually demonstrate courage of conviction?
That is something you NEVER see in the Senate from so-called “progressives” (Feingold, Sanders, even the new Franken!). They say a few nice words to feed their supporters and then, with their votes, actually make sure that they NEVER actually have to stand on principal. They NEVER demonstrate courage of conviction. EVER. And now, voting “yes” on cloture and “no” on the bill or nominee is NOT courage of conviction. It is falling down on the job and NEVER actually standing up for ANYTHING. EVER.
Actually, regardless of what I wrote previously, THIS is what I believe it is until proven otherwise.
Pelosi COULD be “granting permission” for a few (not enough to matter in the end, of course) progressives to bolt and vote “no” – with the guarantee that there will still be enough votes to roll over and take it in the ass as usual.
Men have no say on abortion. Period. Get used to it.
Hey David, here’s a big surprise:
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/health-care/happy-hour-roundup-133/
Gotta love progressives. They cave in so quickly that even the blogosphere can’t keep up with them.
Would that it were thus.
Why is there a pic of the anti-Crist next to my Dodge’em?
OK! How do we get this lady some Tactical Support (iow, how do we get her back/recruit reinforcements?)
FunnyWheelieDiva
As soon as they open their mouths to say anything against a bill, they have already conceded and know they will vote for the bill regardless.
All show, no go.
Call me a cynic, but she’s probably just holding out so she can get HER $300 Million in Medicaid for her state, just like Baucus. Then she’ll roll over quicker than Dean.
This is Obama saying “Let them eat cake!”. Actually he is mandating that the hungry must buy cake from Starbucks and claiming that he is bringing an end to hunger.
I said this in DailyKos a couple of months ago and was yelled at because
1. Obama hadn’t said he didn’t care about the PO (then)
2. They believed that Obama was playing it cool until the Senate had debated the issue and everyone believed that he would come down on the Baucuses and force them to vote for the PO.
If we had had wool pulled over our eyes for so long it is because of the die hard supporters who kept telling us something was going to happen in just a little while.
Boy, were we conned!
This lady is to be commended greatly for her position and hopefullly she will follow through with her no vote. More importantly would be if she represents a sufficiently large number of House members to make her claim credible.
It is nevertheless refreshing to hear a stir of opposition to the Senate bill. Unlike the lies and denials we are hearing from Obama. It is as if this weasel of a president is doing his best to annoy people on the left.
If that is his aim he is doing a damn good job of it.
He may find though that this strategy may come back to bite him.
so how are the obama fan boys and fan girls rationalizing for captain change now?
I know. When I got a vasectomy after my daughter was born, there were no women outside the urologist’s office yelling “spermurderer” either. Most men I’ve known are fine with their partners getting hysterectomies or taking weird pills, but say vasectomies are mutilation.
1. There are some benefits(no denial based on pre existing conditions,…)
2. It is better than status quo
3. The government will heavily regulate the industry now
4. It is negative oppose it and they want to stay positive.
I am so tired of the jackasses, I don’t even want to go there anymore :(
Maybe I am just cynical, but I think the WH will lean on this lady too and she will back off as well.
Who knew Obama was just a slimmer Hillary Clinton?
You are such a pathetic SUCKER.
Regulated? REGULATED!? By the STATES, which are pathetically weak. California’s own state regulator has admitted to being too weak to take on the insurance companies in California and they’re the most powerful.
Sheesh. No Federal regulation, no price controls, NO limits on deductibles and copays, no premium control, nothing to stop adverse selection (sticking the sick and old into HIGH cost insurance while still forcing the young and PERFECTLY healthy to pay premiums they don’t need nor want.
Piss off with your “reform”.
Right Louise. Sure. Agree with all you say. Now we’ll see if your friend Nancy puts you on the conference committee so you can stick up for it. Let’s not hold our breath though, honey.
Easy there, killer.
Franken as a progressive is a myth. he got 335,000 fewer votes in Mn than Obama. Those were informed progressives who stood on principle and refused to vote for the DLC (corporate democrat.)
Perhaps you should read the comments properly before throwing flames. I was listing the excuses from the Obama crowd for the bill, not providing cover for Obama. And seriously, even if that was me, this is how you want to react? Just jump out there with guns blazing? Great way to win people over to your side, I gotta say. Next time read the comments fully before calling someone names.
middlerd may have been off target, but wields a mean torch -:)
especially the part about the State of California being to weak to regulate its own insurance giants. Why did we have anti-trust laws?
They are too big too exist.
Experience should have taught us by now that anti-trust laws, like any other laws they need to be enforced routinely – not merely out of political expedience.
If the nature of health care means that health insurance should have an exception to the anti-trust laws, then this is an argument for the government to run it.
Obama does not have the guts to restore the FDR legacy, much less extend it, thats why the health care debate has been a joke – except for the progress made in the House. And I’m glad to see Louise Slaughter is ready to defend the progress that has been made.
Do you guys have ADD? :) I was pointing to the excuses made by the idiots at DKos and if you had had the patience to read my complete post, you would have noticed I said “I am so tired of these JACKASSES I dont even want to go to DKos anymore”. Wow! I was sick of the Obama workship there, and come here only to be yelled at by people who don’t even have the ability to read a complete post. If this is the kind of reading you do, it says a lot about the “facts” you recite. Gawd!