After 9-11, columnists from across the political spectrum were writing defenses of torture, calls for reducing liberty to achieve security and exhortations for the bombing of any number of Muslim nations. Today, a few of those still crop up every now and again. But reliable establishment weathervane David Brooks offers something different in the wake of the failed underpants bombing, shocking in its reasonableness, that could represent a shift away from the hysteria and bedwetting that often reveals itself during any discussion of terrorism.
That mature attitude seems to have largely vanished. Now we seem to expect perfection from government and then throw temper tantrums when it is not achieved. We seem to be in the position of young adolescents — who believe mommy and daddy can take care of everything, and then grow angry and cynical when it becomes clear they can’t [...]
All this money and technology seems to have reduced the risk of future attack. But, of course, the system is bound to fail sometimes. Reality is unpredictable, and no amount of computer technology is going to change that. Bureaucracies are always blind because they convert the rich flow of personalities and events into crude notations that can be filed and collated. Human institutions are always going to miss crucial clues because the information in the universe is infinite and events do not conform to algorithmic regularity.
Resilient societies have a level-headed understanding of the risks inherent in this kind of warfare.
But, of course, this is not how the country has reacted over the past week. There have been outraged calls for Secretary Janet Napolitano of the Department of Homeland Security to resign, as if changing the leader of the bureaucracy would fix the flaws inherent in the bureaucracy. There have been demands for systemic reform — for more protocols, more layers and more review systems.
Much of the criticism has been contemptuous and hysterical. Various experts have gathered bits of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab’s biography. Since they can string the facts together to accurately predict the past, they thunder, the intelligence services should have been able to connect the dots to predict the future.
It’s hard to argue with any of this. The finger-pointing that accompanied Abdulmutallab’s failed attack was fairly ridiculous, the calls for Napolitano’s head resulting from a deliberate misinterpretation of her remarks and an attempt to hold her responsible for actions taken in Amsterdam and Lagos. Believe it or not, both Brooks and David Fercryinoutloud Broder understood this today (though in Broder’s case it seems like he was charmed by Napolitano at a cocktail party or something).
As Digby smartly notes, the point of terrorism is to create the kind of hysterical responses that help a nation destroy itself from within. The threats from without cannot do it alone. The proper response to terror is a calm and reasoned assessment of the system without the kind of hyperventilating that sends the country off the deep end. That the political punditocracy is at least at some level understanding this is encouraging.
What remains to be seen is whether there will be a backlash against the rampant politicization of the issue by national Republicans. At this point, I’ll just be pleased if it doesn’t lead to further loss of individual privacy.




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Yeah, good to know you are encouraged…I don’t know why, though…
I mean, if these reporters started asking questions such as “why are we constantly having to worry about these attacks?” –then, maybe I would feel hopeful…instead, all the media do is report the day-to-day bull shit that happens, never questioning basic assumtions about these fucked wars…
maybe we could stop the uh, you know, state terrorism and our security issues might ease…just saying, I mean, that is the real reason these people are attacking us…sure, they send brainwashed kids like the underpants dude, but while their actionds are crimese they do spring from legitimate beefs!!!
Why don’t we call for more questioning along these lines????
Reporters staying on there talking points.Wouldnot want to jeopardize there future.After all these highly trained AlQaeda opperatives got me scared.Here take more of my freedom away.I understand the underpants dude had to have help boarding the plane?
“But, of course, this is not how the country has reacted over the past week.”
It’s not the “country” that’s peeing it’s pants with terrorism hysteria – It’s the rethuglicons!
They think by politicizing terror they will scare the bejeezuz out of people and win elections. It might still work on those trailer park crackers and teabaggers in the south but the rest of us have to keep our wits about us and debunk these “terror mongers” at every possible opportunity…
And while efforts to keep us cowering and trembling continue, poisoning of our food continues.
90 freakin’ days for a test? Dear Gussie!
I see your name and never question whether it’ll be a safe site……your linkys are the best! That particular site is now on my bookmark list. *smooch*
I can’t beleave your not hideing from the elite forces of AlQaeda. Do you always throw your shit to win friends and influence people. Where do you get your news? News starts and spreds from where?
You mean like the last thread?
People in the left should make up their minds. They often say that the war in Afghanistan and other muslim countries will result in more people willing to blow our planes and buildings up. But at the same time, they tell us not to overreact when a man angry at attacks on their fellow muslims tries to (and almost succeeds in) blow a plane up.
Let’s make up our minds. Should we be worried? And a second question. How would you tell the 300 people in that plane that news outlets have overreacted?
Glennzilla has a particularly good column today on this:
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/01/02/fear/index.html
If you don’t do anything the rest of today or this weekend Please LISTEN TO THIS INTERVIEW:
Scott Horton Interviews Kurt Haskell from December 31, 2009
Kurt Haskell, Detroit area attorney and passenger on the “Christmas bomber” flight 253, discusses the arrest of a second man that an FBI agent insinuated was carrying a bomb, the inconsistent statements from the FBI and US Customs – particularly from spokesman Ron Smith – and an account of the sharply dressed man of Indian appearance who helped suspected bomber Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab board the plane in the Netherlands.
MP3 here. (26:38)
Kurt Haskell is an attorney in the Detroit suburb of Taylor. He was a passenger on terrorist-attacked Northwest Airlines Flight 253 and has given numerous accounts of his experience to the media.
http://antiwar.com/radio/2009/12/31/kurt-haskell/
Read this Article:
Is the Detroit Nigerian “Terrorist” A Patsy?
By Bruce A. Dixon
Created 12/30/2009 – 12:18
by BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon
“….The bumbling Nigerian “terrorist” who set his lap on fire on board an airliner in Detroit Christmas day will provide days or weeks of conveniently hysterical headlines, along with excuses to target West Africa and Yemen for extra special attention from the American military, and the usual host of justifications for existing US policies in what used to be called ‘the war on terror’. But the similarities between his case, and that of incompetent “terrorists” in Fort Dix New Jersey, in Miami’s Liberty City and elsewhere raise serious questions about the whole incident….”
Read the entire article @:
http://tns1.blackagendareport.com/?q=print/content/detroit-nigerian-terrorist-patsy
The terror that afflicted the passrngers on the Detroit-bound plane (and please note that some passengers deplaned before they knew anything was going on) should have been confined to the plane. News that affects 300 people in American isn’t news more than a week later — unless it’s terrorism. And that is the definition of terrorim.
Your post doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Obviously this guy tried to bomb the plane because of what the US is doing and has done in Iraq and Afghanistan so your first statement is true. The wars are resulting “in more people willing to blow up our planes…” And it is also true that overreacting to this incident is going to be counterproductive. As the article pointed out, the purpose of an act of terrorism is to get the victims to essentially destroy themselves (e.g., like the Cheney/Bush regime did to us with their “Patriot Act”), i.e., overreact. So what is there to make up our minds about? Both statements are true.
“At this point, I’ll just be pleased if it doesn’t lead to further loss of individual privacy.”
Does this not feed into the “boiled frog principle”? Incremental encroachment is a very effective tool.
All the hype about attacks is fear mongering and is economically motivated. Get over it and go forward.
Does overreacting help? No.
Does knocking on wood help? No.
Get a grip. You want to give up liberty for safety, go somewhere else. Leave the USA for people who don’t whimper and cower for god’s sake.
Convenient “terrorist attack” when it’s well established that the security apparatus has been unsuccessful till now getting the new X-Ray machines in operative order through the U.S. Congress. Until now, the U.S. Congress has been hesitant authorizing the use of such devices because of objections by civil libertarians.
No, I do not trust or believe everything out of the government regarding “incidents” such as this one. The U.S. Congress authorizes the “black budget” which for the most part is off limits to the majority of the Congress and the American people. So, without it being a “conspiracy” much of what the government already does is cloaked in secrecy as in what functions are carried out with the billions of dollars in the black budget…..This black budget and its uses are not transpatrent, and will not be, as long as the National Security Ideology remains the primary doctrine of the United States.
Need some help coming up with counter-arguments to more typical David Brooks nonsense?
Try this.
DB: “That mature attitude seems to have largely vanished. Now we seem to expect perfection from government and then throw temper tantrums when it is not achieved.”
Wrong. The American people expect the same things from their government that other industrialized nations provide, but do not receive. The multinational corporations have temper tantrums every time Americans ask for what the rest of the Western world is normal. Decent health care, education, security, and economic infrastructure.
Nobody blows up Israeli flights. Israel figured out the needed a lot of bomb-disposal technology/bomb-safe structures at the airports, and trained the airport staff to look for guys on that type of “last two unbroken crackers in the cracker box” looks on the faces of people who’re about to detonate. Nobody in Europe is wondering where they are going to get money to pay for doctors bills and spiking tuition bills.
The point of terrorism? What about the point of those who are invested in stoking the terrorist threat to a fever pitch in order to sustain the economic interests of the military industrial complex? or those invested politically in “the war on terror” in order to frighten voters into electing them instead?
If you grasp the extent to which waging war is 1] an integral part of America’s political economy and 2] intimately links the White House and Congress to Wall Street, the reaction to the latest “attack” becomes so much clearer.
Brooks and Broder of course never, ever go there, do they? That is simply not a part of the mainstream media’s official narrative about Good and Evil.
The blind leading the blind. Our job is to expose that.
When I read Brooks’ column yesterday, I had to wonder what universe I was in since it was so out of character for him to write something so reasonable. Then I decided that maybe it was a New Year’s resolution kicking in. Anyhow, I was very pleased that something so sensible had gotten into the right wing mindset.
“the point of terrorism is to create the kind of hysterical responses that help a nation destroy itself from within. ”
This is so obvious that it was brought up way back when Cheney/Bush (C/B) were using 9/11 as an excuse to enact the infamous “Patriot” Act that we find later had actually been written long before 9/11 ever came along. C/B used 9/11 as an excuse to do everything that the terrorists wanted to the point that one had to wonder which side they were on – instituted unauthorized surveillance, allowed unregulated police powers, put the military in charge of everything… Al Qaeda wanted to destroy our whole society and C/B wanted to do the same and replace it with a totalitarian “unitary executive” that would be at the disposal of the moneyed class. This is the definition of fascism. Unfortunately the right wing has bought into the fable so deeply that they aren’t about to change.
Mr. Brooks frequently criticizes accurately, if only to make inaccurate observations that promote his patrons. He is correct that establishment Washington has and is over-reacting to a serious but manageable threat. Yet, he routinely advocates for those who do such things and cheers on their view of the world.
His standard bugaboos are techno-bureaucrats, at least when they are Democratic ones. Republican ones, especially expertly-trained lobbyists put in charge of federal agencies on behalf of their private sector clients, he finds just dandy.
He objects to government intervention generally, and effective intervention most of all. It’s not good for the private sector. After all, why pay $1.00 for the government to do something when you can pay an outsourced corporation $10 to do the same thing, and have the government give up its talent and knowledge base in the bargain. He calls this “Burkean conservatism”.
Mr. Brooks is no middle of the road, objective academic pontificating about the day’s news. He is a rightwing propagandist in penny loafers. If Bobo is telling us his co-dependent Villagers are over-reacting, it’s because some of his patrons need to look “centrist”.
The PTB do look centrist, while being archly conservative, when their slightly right of “center” peers demand that we just take a defendant out and shoot him rather than try him in open court by a jury of his peers, with admissible evidence not obtained through or tainted by torture, after having allowed him the opportunity to see and dispute the state’s case against him.
http://open.salon.com/blog/bruce_dixon/2009/12/31/is_the_nigerian_terrorist_apprehended_in_detroit_a_patsy
This video at RTV, Russian TV asks the question media in the US will not. Is the guy a patsy?
He is supposed to be an engineering student AND a “trained” terrorist. What kind of engineer doesn’t know the difference between a device that might take down a plane and one that would just set his lap on fire?
He paid cash for his ticket in Ghana and had no checked baggage. All over the world they pull people into rooms to question and search them all the time for stuff like this. But not this guy.
He had a multiple entry US visa but showed neither it or his passport to get on the last leg to the US. Anybody who’s been to Europe knows they have multiple layers of screening, much tougher than in the US. How did he get on there with no passport, no visa and no checked bags?
Is he another incompetent mope manipulated to cause a “terror” incident so the authorities can
(1) whip up fear, the same way they used to with color-coded alerts
(2) claim “the system worked” and lobby for more restrictions on civil liberties, more surveillance of civilians, more militarization of life in the US
(3) justify US intervention in West Africa, from where almost 20% of US oil imports flow
(4) justify US intervention in Yemen, where the drones and cruise missiles are already bombing and our mercs and special forces are already kidnapping and murdering…
Right on. Very well said.
what are the reublicans going to hype if not national security hysteria? the dem-o’s have triangulated the corporate money way from them for the time being. I am quite convinced that the republican right will not lift a finger or raise a single complaint about the impending wealth transfer from working people to banks and insurance companies,( unless and until it is far far too late to stop it). The dems are essentially following the bush administrations policies in the war on ter’r as well so whats left for miserable republicans to do but hystericize attacks or attemped attack?
right, bitch about “the government” trying to drum up fear and drum up fear of the government.
Margot’s last point is one that has puzzled me for a long time. We have the right wing screaming about the Nanny State and how brave people don’t whimper, but when something like this happens, we have a massive run on Depends in the red states.
Just like reality puts the lie to the myth that the right wing can be trusted with national defense (whose watch did 9/11 occur on?), so the right wing reaction to any real or imaginary act of terrorism is to indulge in hysterics that feed the terrorists. They just make the situation worse, and the US would be much better off if these wimps moved somewhere else and trembled and wept there.
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Debra Howell died.
Well, i kind of agree with you, but the truther folks are right to beleive the govt at least considers these things. “operation north woods” were plans for just that kind of thing, to push public sentiment toward an invasion of cuba by carrying out terrorist attacks on our on people. what they got instead was Vietnam which dwarfed the potential for profit in cuba i guess so they dropped it. there is a great deal of horrible sleazy shit in our national basement and until all of it is aired out people will be inclined to belive the worst conspiracies.
Republican incontinence is now an American problem?!
Here the complex and often ambiguous intertwining of cause and effect comes into play.
If American foreign policy is predicated on the Bilderberg agenda and the Bilderberg agenda aims to carve up the 3rd world [and in particular the Middle East and South Asia] in order to secure from it access to 1] cheap
labor 2] markets and 3] plentiful natural resources then it is imperialistic in nature. And when your foreign policy revolves around imperialism and you plunder 3rd world nations for all you can get there is going to be what is called “blowback”.
And that blowback will produce 9/11s, shoe bombers and undie-terrorists. And if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time, yes, you should be very, very afraid.
But if your whole frame of mind is then twisted by the folks who profit from imperialism to pretend we are in Iraq and Afghanistan only because we are peace-loving, freedom-loving purveyors of democracy around the globe then you fail to figure out how these relationships really work instead.
Again, Colin Powell:
What is the greatest threat facing us now? People will say it’s terrorism. But are there any terrorists in the world who can change the American way of life or our political system? No. Can they knock down a building? Yes. Can they kill somebody? Yes. But can they change us? No. Only we can change ourselves. So what is the great threat we are facing?
this:
These are dangerous criminals, and we must deal with them. But come on, this is not a threat to our survival! The only thing that can really destroy us is us. We shouldn’t do it to ourselves, and we shouldn’t use fear for political purposes-scaring people to death so they will vote for you, or scaring people to death so that we create a terror-industrial complex.
It’s always something.
Condolences to her family and friends. Her voice as the WaPoop’s ombudsperson will not, however, be missed.
Wrong, you should not equate media exaggeration intended to boost circulation or GOP talking points with actual public sentiment.
I suspect most Americans regardless of political orientation are simply glad the attempt was unsuccessful and are getting on with their lives.
Michael Chertoff is out pitching his handy dandy naked scanners all over the place. You probably were told in the warm up to his pitch that he is a former Homeland Security Secretary, but you probably did not hear that currently he has a consulting agency, with a client that manufactures the machines. If you see him hawking his naked scanners, please E-mail the show, newspaper, etc and demand that they reveal the conflict of interest.
Do not think that this is as far as this will go. If they can get away with this it will not be long before body cavity searches become standard. The machines can not see that, and a terrorist attack of that nature has already taken place. “Do you object? You must not take terrorism seriously. Your silly constitutional notions and or puritan values have no place in the post 9-11 world.”
Yes, that is where this toady of, by and for the ruling class in America will never go. He simply refuses to examine the manner in which American foreign policy sustains the conditions overseas that will ever prompt retaliatory reactions like 9/11. It’s not for nothing that Al Qaeda chose to blow up the World Trade Towers. They symbolize like nothing else does the relationship between Washington and Wall Street to many who are the victums of American imperialism around the globe.
Or maybe he has examined it and, like Colin Powell, is concerned that our reaction to their reaction is an overreaction. Is Brooks a cynic? Is he a Bilderberger “realist”?
I don’t know. But however much he attempts to expose what is wrong with the conservative’s furious, apoplectic fulminations, make no mistake: he is an abject apoplogist for those who are the root cause—the war profiteers that suffose the military industrial complex. And their enablers inside the beltway.
We need to help redefine the term ‘terrorism’ for the American public.
Terrorism is Americans dying from Gov. refusal to attend to preventing preventable causes of avoidable death.
Make your own case for Gov. death causing negligence.
george, could you lose the f*cking ‘bilderberger’ line?
This is not a playground for conspiracy theories, and that’s one of them.
Nanny state for incontinent Republicans, is that what those fucking R(h)ambos are all about?
Over at the Great Orange Satan, there’s a diary about the Canadian airlines, who are caught between the rock of Canadian privacy laws and the hard place of DHS/TSA demands for names and other identifying information of passengers who are overflying the US – not entering or leaving, nor changing planes, just flying over.
And there’s the predictable comment from someone who is scared to death that one of those passengers will hijack a plane and fly it into a building, so therefore anything DHS/TSA wants to do is a Good Thing, up to and including requiring people to fly naked.
Well, good luck trying to find a show or a newspaper that is not also invested in fanning the flames of, “the terrorists are coming! the terrorists are coming!”
Again and again, connect the dots.
You tune into Meet the Press on Sunday. The program is sponsored in part by Boeing or Northup or Lockheed. The guests include Congressmen who get campaign contributions from them. Around and around the money goes.
Bilderberg group is real, they do wield incredible power and they use it to the benefit of the ueber rich. That is not a conspiracy theory.
Question is, whether we deal with say, Bernanke as the Fed Chair, or member of the B.group?
In that respect, B. group awareness does nothing to help us along.
Clearly the ideal solution would be to construct a sky-high barrier along the U.S./Canadian border.
Those who seek to expand power would never stage terror in order to do so.
Big Brother will protect you from Emmanuel Goldstein, but you must comply.
Otherwise, it is quite likely that you are working for the enemies of Oceania.
i remember the day bin-laden declared war on us. I thought is this the mouse that roared. what he wanted was us to close our bases in Saudi arabia in the holiest spot for muslims. is this out of line ?
Perspective.
It’s just as much a part of living in America, as is salmonella. It’s just the new normal unless someone choses to amplify it beyond reason.
After 9/11 happened, I talked to some ER doctors who were all in favor of giving up freedom for security. I was astonished. “When do we get the rights back, then?” “We won’t know; who knows when it’ll be safe again? We didn’t know this time.”
And they were fine with that.
They thought that giving up our rights would somehow, magically, make us safe. Like throwing someone in a volcano once a year to propitiate the gods. Incredible.
Well, it’s not as if we can ask our government to change the shoddy profit-driven foreign policy practices that make everyone else in the world despise the U.S., that would be CRAZY.
Security is guaranteed access to health care, food in our bellies, roofs over our heads, jobs,….
No, I will not.
And Bilderberg is a “conspiracy theory” only if you go after them as, say, Jesse Ventura did on his show this week. He has them posioning our food and aiming to kill five and a half billion people through secret plots to sterilize us.
Again, here is a list of names we keep reading about in the news relating to the economic crisis:
Tim Geithner
Larry Summers
Hank Paulson
Ben Bernanke
Paul Volcker
Alan Greenspan
David Rockefeller
All members of the Bilderberg Group. All men who wield enormous power when it comes to shaping economic power at home and abroad.
This is how the world works. Forget the Democrat/Republican/Liberal/Conservative narrative. That’s the bullshit mainstream media mantra. Bilderberg is an integral part of our end of the global economy. And the mainstream media is an integral part of Bilderberg.
Now, let me ask you: what do you think their function is in the world? What do you know about them? And why, if they encompass some of the richest and most powerful men [and the vast majority of them are white men], in the world, how come only a teeny, tiny number of people have ever heard of them? Even in the progressive movement, its existence is barely discerned.
So how do we go after them as members of an informal group, georgewalton?
Gee, maybe if the USA stopped acting like imperial pigs in third world countries, then, maybe folks would not hate us so much… We have been intervening in the Middle East for some eighty-eight (88) now, since back in 1922, when we divvied up Iraq’s vast oil fields, along with the British, the French and the Dutch. Try reading some history books. Or just search the web for “US imperialism.” Pres. Obama is now murdering Muslims in five countries now: Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan. Candidate Obama promised us “change,” unfortunately he didn’t bother to tell us that he would make things worse…
The USA should immediately and totally withdraw from the Middle East. Haven’t we murdered enough of these people yet?
That’s like saying “an understanding of capitalism as a political economy does nothing to help us along”.
It does everything. It exposes the crucial link between political and economic power in furthering the Wall Street agenda at home and terrorist industrial complex agenda abroad.
Unless you grasp these fundamental relationships, for example, you will never fully grasp why the health care “reform” crafted in the White House and the Democratic Congress bore little or no resemblance to what the Democrats campaigned for just 18 months ago. Really, when push comes to shove, how far removed was Lieberman’s Wall Street connections from Baucus’s, Reid’s, Emanuel’s, Obama’s, Nelson’s and all the rest?
Bilderberg?
Next you’ll claim the CFR & the Trilateral Commission have an effect on U.S. policy!
Who will you go after next? Kissinger Associates?
Lulz!
That’s like saying “an understanding of capitalism as a political economy does nothing to help us along”.
So, propose something !!!
BS.
All of it, just like the Illuminati and every other centuries old Secret Masters of the universe Conspiracy.
They can only control your life if you believe they exist and react as if they do.
I blame this on hte incredible deaf ears and blinding incompetence of ‘the left’ when it comes to selling perfectly reasonable ideas.
the RIGHT to trial by jury, the RIGHT to evidence in open court, the RIGHT to be brought before a judge … ALL this stuff exists cuz of abuses from the powerful.
the powerful right wing was done wonders with turning “RIGHTS” into toxic waste, and the shit heads on ‘our’ side who’ve clawed their way to the top of the political crap heap just keep blathering on in their noble, selfless, holier-than-everyone condescending k-school sniffs and snivels about the sacredness of our contitutional rights … read my 400 page k-school tome that shows how smart I am.
‘our’ messaging sucks, therefore we lose to fascists. ooops, BTW, recall all the freaking sell outs on ‘our’ side and …
wow.
rmm.
It is not the “Bilderberg Group” in any technical sense. The infuential meet each year at an annual meeting. Their first ever meeting was held at the Bilderberg Hotel, which popularized the name of the Bilderberg Group.
The rich and powerful from many of the biggest nations economically meet each year, which is true. They discuss issues and so on. It’s like an extended meeting where people from the Council on Foreign Relations, Chatham House, and other like organizations from various nations come to meet and discuss what issues are most pressing.
But, technically, there is no such thing as a “Bilderberg Group” other than the first meeting was held at the Bilderberg Hotel. Danny Estulin wrote a book on this and it is clearly spelled out that only the name has been popularized but no formal “group” or hierarchy stemming from the “Bilderbergs” actually exists.
I don’t need no fucking Bilderbergs to be riled up over, – I’ve got the political system, the healthcare system and Obama, thank you very much.
Well, I’m assuming that participating in an “informal group” is just one aspect of our commitment to change the world. Other parts include linking up with others to help bring this change about. Now, we all do this in different ways. Here at FDL, for example, Jane aims to raise money, to hook up with others [across the political spectrum] to go after the crooks and liars like Rahm Emanuel, to engender the activism that might bring the Democratic Party back to the future of the New Deal approach to government. Or a compliation of New Deal/Libertarian approaches.
To do things like this though requires an understanding of why the world works as it does. I think Bilderberg and crony capitalism and corporatism and the insidiuous revolving doors between New York and Washington need to be grasped as clearly as possible. Grasped systemically, as it were.
Now, I’m not trying to suggest that how I see things is the way things are. After all, like the rest of you, my understanding of the world is always fluid and evolving. And always subject to change as I come across new information or new ways to think about it.
We are all limited in that respect. But we do the best we can.
That is exactly right.
We are supposed to beleive that this country finds itself the target of implacable hatred for no reason whatsoever? That people around the world can’t find anything better to do with their lives than to try and kill as many Americans as they can?
People here have got to come to grips with the fact that completely without their being asked, the US government has placed them in constant mortal danger. And that it is the US government in pursuit of it’s own predatory and immoral and murderous pretensions, that have placed the rest of us in this threat. We must come to see these attacks on the US for what they are, as acts of retribution.
And the original “Bilderberg Hotel” might have even been torn down by now as well…..
Again, no oganized “Bilderberg Group” actually exists. The people who attend that influential meeting once a year are not always repeat attendees either, again, (year after year, although some do go more frequently than others), speaking to loose nature of this “group.”
The Council on Foreign Relations is a far more influential group in an organizational sense here in the U.S., regarding economic, domestic and foreign policies, than is the so-called annual “Bilderberg Group” meeting.
At one annual meeting, there was thought that Kathleen Sebelius would run for president but it was more likely that John Edwards would get the nomination for the Democratic Party. So, even when discussions are made, the outcomes are often far from what was discussed.
In looking at the list of attendees at the 2009 Bilderberg meeting, it is difficult for me to see some sort of coordinated plan amongst them.
Exactly, aardvark.
Surely these plutocrats would publish a detailed itinerary of their objectives if such a plan existed.
Why in heaven’s name wouldn’t they? It’s not as though anybody would do anything to stop them.
Is that what you want to do—to reduce discussions of Bilderberg down to a Dan Brown novel? Well, that is not how I approach it.
From bilderberg.org
Frank and open discussion is a good thing in any forum but when those doing the discussing are some of the very most powerful financiers and media tycoons in the world it begs the question: If what they discuss is for the good of ordinary people why not publicise it! Isn’t it a perverted use of the word ‘open’ when no-one can find out what they’re saying?
Is Bilderberg a secret conspiracy?
When such rich and powerful people meet up in secret, with military intelligence managing their security, with hardly a whisper escaping of what goes on inside, people are right to be suspicious.
No, it’s not a ‘conspiracy’. The world’s leading financiers and foreign policy strategists don’t get together at Bilderberg to draw up their ‘secret plans for the future’. It’s subtler than that.
and:
Bilderberg is an extremely influential lobbying group. That’s not to say though that the organisers don’t have a hidden agenda, they do, namely acumulation of wealth and power into their own hands whilst explaining to the participants that globalisation is for the good of all.
The ideology put forward at the Bilderberg conferences is that what’s good for banking and big business is good for the mere mortals of the world. Silently banished are the critical voices, those that might point out that debt is spiralling out of control, that wealth is being sucked away from ordinary people and into the hands of the faceless corporate institutions, that millions are dying as a direct result of the global heavyweight Rockefeller/Rothschild economic strategies.
george:
Ignore or play down organizations like this at your peril.
When you google Alex Bilderberg, your first hit is a money machine.
The machine has a potent and ‘unique’ insight: The rich and powerful want to control the world and that has never been the case in the history of the world. I’ve got news for Alex Bilderberg and georgewalton: They do, and have done so for evah.
I care about crooks like Geithner, Bernanke, Obama, etc, at the level of their agency, – which is where we realistically still stand a slim chance of affecting outcomes. Who they wine and dine and fuck is only material when their name is Spitzer, or such.
Quite.
I’m British. Some Americans might do well to contemplate the effects of IRA bombings of pubs and clubs in mainland Britain in the sixties and seventies, financed predominantly but US raised cash. We kept going to the pub. We paid a little more attention to unattended carrier bags but aside from that we were not going to allow a bunch of sick arseholes to disrupt our lives.
Whilst Britons, for the most part, were deeply saddened by the loss of so many lives in the September 11 attack on the WTC, they did not, again for the most part, wonder why it had happened. The surprise was that Americans had such a hard time understanding that if you are an imperial power you will be hated and targeted. A soldier in George Washington’s continental army would have known this.
Administrations of all political colours despise the very idea that the people upon whom they rely for their election to power should have any freedom whatsoever. Western democracies, most rapidly shifting toward the Russian model of plutocracy, are not much different from the fascist or communist dictatorships that spring up and die off around the world as time goes by. They are just much better at getting their people to believe that they’re free.
Terrorism allows them the opportunity to reign in actual freedoms and once reigned in they are rarely if ever reinstated. There is little if any incentive, therefore, to address the true causes of terrorism. Rather the incentive is to continually exacerbate the terrorist threat which in turn allows for highly lucrative arms production and defence spending.
The cycle of violence that had consumed Northern Ireland for more than 25 years ended only after the protagonists began to talk to one another and treat each other with respect.
It seems unlikely that any foreseeable US administration will ever be in a position to engage in any meaningful dialogue with Imams,mullahs and the people who do their bidding. This present anti-Islam conflict will make Europe’s 100 years war seem like a flash in the pan.
Book Salon up at the Mothership with Michael Berube’s The Left At War hosted by Henry Farrell
Reading he comments of late has convinced me that the ADL has a lot of
work left to do.
To protest the elite running the world is the height of folly.
I, for one, thank our long-standing criminal overlords.
Without them, how would we know that down is up?
what’s that supposed to mean?
No, it’s not “a coordinated plan” in the sense some try to portray Bilderbergers as cartoon caricatures. You know, Austin Powers vs. Dr Evil.
Again, here is how I encapsulatec it on another post:
Above all else, Barack Obama and Rahm Emanuel are member in good standing of America’s ruling class. The “liberal” rendition, as it were.
But not in the simplistic Marxist sense of “the class struggle”. That was more a manifestation of the industrial revolution. Capitalism has evolved light years beyond that.
Indeed, nominating something as “the ruling class” does not mean that once a month…literally…the folks from The Mainstrem Media [and their Wall Street advertisers] sit down with relevant committee chairmen in Congress, Obama’s economic team in the White House, the K Street lobbyists and Henry Kissinger’s “colleagues” from Bilderberg to meticulously plan the next month’s political and economic agenda. It doesn’t work that way. Why? Because it doesn’t have to. Besides, even within these corporate concoctions of wealth and power, there are considerable conflicts. For example, corporations based here in America may be strongly opposed to government policies that favor companies that shift all or part of their business overseas. And companies that oppose policies seen as favorable to the interests of oil industry do so because the higher the cost of oil the more costly it is in run their own businesses profitably.
That, of course, is where “democracy” comes into play. But some of these conflagrations are titantic because so much money is at stake.
No, America’s ruling class does not encompass a bunch of secret meetings where secret conspirators secretly plot and plan to carve up the world in Dr Evil’s secret location at Goldman Sachs.
Instead, it is more like this:
From the Bullfrog Films review of the film The American Ruling Class:
The American Ruling Class is one of the most unusual films to be made in America in recent years–both in terms of form and content. The form is a “dramatic-documentary-musical” and the content is our country’s most taboo topic: class, power and privilege in our nominally democratic republic.
At bottom the film is a morality tale, the story of two Yale students (played by Harvard men) who seek their opportunities upon graduation. As the renowned essayist, author and longtime Harper’s magazine editor Lewis Lapham conducts them through the corridors of power: Pentagon press briefings, the World Economic Forum, philanthropic foundations, Washington law firms, corporations, banks, the Council on Foreign Relations, and New York society dinners–our two representative graduates “one rich and the other not so rich” must struggle with their responsibilities in “a world collaterally damaged by the magic of money and the miracles of science.” The real-life luminaries they meet on their journey become characters in a story about power, its responsibilities and abuses.
All the while “the Mighty Wurlitzer” plays on, a reference to the massive propaganda apparatus invented by the CIA’s Frank Wisner, here used to signify the nocturnal philosophy of acquisition and imperial hubris which continually calls to the young men, the siren song of careerist myopia that was bred into their bones at school.
As we watch these two young men wend their way through what is only a slight fictionalization of their actual lives and choices, as we meet former Secretaries of State and Defense, directors of the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations, the publisher of The New York Times, Kurt Vonnegut, Howard Zinn, Barbara Ehrenreich, Robert Altman and a host of others, we have to ask along with Mr. Lapham: “To what end the genius of the Wall Street banks and the force of the Pentagon’s colossal weapons? Where does America discover the wisdom to play with its wonderful toys?” The possible answers move beyond the empty distinction of party affiliation and into the heart of American Oligarchy itself. By film’s end, the young men must decide: Should they seek to rule the world, or to save it?
George:
Obama of course fits quite comfortably into this carefully calibrated circle of “cultured” friends. His administration is bursting at the seams with them. For example, the Bilderberg, CFR, TC folks alone include Hillary Clinton [and Bill of course], Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, Zbigniew Brzezinski, Rahm Emanuel, George Mitchell, Robert Rubin, Paul Volcker, Robert Gates, James Jones, Tom Daschle, Eric Shinseki, Michael Froman, Susan Rice, Jack Reed, EricHolder, Janet Napolitano, Mona Sutphen.
Though some are admitedly just “advisers”.
And you can bet there are no “bitter” folks here at all. Not many unemployed folks in the ruling class.
Hey, it is just commonsense to point out that those who own and operate the political and economic instruments that sustain the global economy, are going to want to connect the dots with others like them around the world. They have “shared interests” that evolve from and center around transactions that swell well up into the hundreds of billions of dollars.
So, no, they don’t need to schedule a secret rendevous where they can exchange secret handshakes and secret code words with the other secret participants.
If you grasp the manner in which these folks get together to sustain their own interests you begin to get a clearer sense of why a “progressive” agenda hardly ever comes up at all. Well, other than as rhetorical camouflage to dupe the unabashed liberal intellectuals who still believe that ObamaLand and BushWorld are the antithesis of each other.
Though it is true that the neoconservative ruling class disdains these “internationalists”. But they are both attavhed at the hip to Wall Street and the military industrial complex.
It can be used to elucidate those links, I’ll grant you that. So can any heuristic. The fact that members of the political elite get together doesn’t reify the Bilderbergs into SPECTRE or something.
Can you set aside that model? Is it a way, or the only way, of seeing events?
Foolishly, I once pondered the question: If Al-Qaeda is real — and not just a CIA front to justify killing liberty and waging wars of aggression — why not go directly after political and military families instead of killing civilians?
Then I realized the genius of their method: By never directly attacking our leaders they hope to create the appearance that our leaders are somehow behind the attacks!
Well, the joke is on you, Al-Qaeda!
We’ll never believe our leaders would use terror engender our subservience to their quest for power and profit!
Killing more of us will only generate greater loyalty to our masters, as well as greater willingness to support war!
So, in the words of the Prophet…
“Bring ‘em on!”
This is an election year. There is NO WAY the GOP is going to let this (non)issue slip away into mature consideration. It is going to be calls for tighter clamping down on civil liberties (contrary to ANY oath of office that these clowns seek) and more demands for bombs bombs everywhere.
I can respect that. You see the world in ways similiar to me; but in ways not so similiar.
In my view, the “agency” of Rahm Obama encompasses words like Democrat, liberal, “inside the beltway”, Congress, DNC, DLC etc.
But not to link this with the Bilderberg agenda is [to me] like examining the game of chess and ignoring the queens.
I point this out myself every chance I get. My aim is chiefly to suggest the Republican vs. Democrat, liberal vs. conservative narratives that spew out of the mainstrem media barely scratch the surface in explaining how power works to pump out things like TARPS and health care “reform” legislation.
I’m not a socialist, a revolutionary, a radical. I’m not even a third-party Naderite sort. I have no illusions about capitalism breaking apart and crumbing into the historical dustbin. But if you want to change things in Washington at the very least you have to understand how it works.
How else is the progressive left going to come to conclude their mission now is two-fold:
1] organizing with other progressives to galvanize a new grassroots, community based mass movement aware of the Bilderberg agenda
2] organizing with other progressives to elect far more genuinely progressive men and women into the Democraqtic Party to fight it
If there isn’t, then we’ll be left to conclude that the entire punditocracy is a class of bedwetters and babies. Because the GOP has, in the words of an EW commenter, completely jumped the shark.
I wait with baited breath to hear that Al Jazeera is also a CIA front, and that the CIA funds Hamas as well. Helps keep the Israelis off-balance, you know.
As long as we’re in Afghanistan, Iraq, support Israel, the Egyptian and now the Yemeni regimes against their own people, there will be blowback directed at this country here and abroad. We terrorize them and they terrorize us back…why is this so hard to comprehend? This regime has done little to change things and has actually made things worse in Afghanistan and in Yemen. Give that Nobel back, Mr. Obama.