The Hill reports on last night’s meeting between House and Senate leaders and the White House, where the decision has been formally made to not formally hold a conference committee, potentially speeding passage of a health care bill. I say “potentially” because passage is going to hinge on a bicameral agreement, and that’s not going to take a day or two. As expected, the Senate bill will generally be the template:
The Senate bill will serve as the vehicle by which Democrats hope to send a healthcare bill to Obama to sign into law. Under the “ping-pong” strategy, the House will take up the Senate bill and amend it, then send it back to the Senate for final approval.
The decision was made to scrap a conference committee out of concern that Republicans in both the House and the Senate would employ a series of procedural delaying tactics, only serving to delay the inevitable and frustrate the majority, aides said.
The real delaying tactics will emerge when the House and Senate try to create a mechanism that can get the requisite votes in each chamber. That will be the balancing act.
As for where the compensation for the public option will come in, apparently that will come in the form of… compensation for the middle class, in the form of more generous subsidies.
Obama agreed at Tuesday evening’s meeting to help strengthen affordability measures beyond what’s in the Senate bill, the aide said.
Pelosi suggested Tuesday that House members wouldn’t insist on the government plan as long as the final bill provides “affordability for the middle class, accountability for the insurance companies, … accessibility by lowering cost at every stage.”
This does make sense. During the campaign, when he was against mandates, Obama said that the problem with health insurance is not that people don’t want it, but that people cannot afford it. So tweaking the affordability measures would be positive. Of course, to really achieve affordability, Obama would need to allow that the bill go much higher than the $900 billion dollar ceiling he set back in September, so we’ll see how that goes.
Chris Van Hollen also mentioned in the above article that he wanted the Senate to include the repeal of the insurance industry’s anti-trust exemption. Seeing how Senate leadership all endorsed that repeal, and that the CBO has said it would not materially change too much (I think they’re being slightly pessimistic about that), I could see Ben Nelson swallowing that. The design of the exchanges could be determinative; a nationwide exchange would almost have to include repeal.




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Affordability can be assisted by capping the salaries of the corporate execs, and by capping the amount of lobbying $$$ the insurers spend.
Thanks Madame Pelosi. We won’t be voting for you or your tools this time. Do have fun without us. You seem to be having a lot of fun without us. Since you are killing us and making us buy a worthless product, you have nothing more to say to us.
So.
Bribes.
Bread and Circuses.
All of which go to Insurance Company Execs and not a dime for actual Health Care.
Thanks for nothing Democrats.
See you in November losers.
Take away anti-trust exemption, and make them nonprofit companies with oversight on what % of income the big execs can get. Limit premium increases and do away with recission of benefits.
Affordability is simple: destroy the health insurance industry.
c’mon dday – this crowd of political pathetics, political incompetents, and good old honest despicable sell outs is gonna change this POS bill to benefit anyone other than Pharma & AHIP execs …
IF that happens, I might even subscribe to OFA (Obama’s F’king Annoyance) again.
rmm.
OT, but just learned that several Great Lakes states have brought suit to close a shipping canal in the Chicago area to prevent the invasive Asian carp from entering the Great Lakes ecosystem. This very aggressive fish has the potential of collapsing this ecosystem and a 7 billion dollar fishing industry. Sounds reasonable but now we learn that the Obama administration is fighting the law suit. Another flip flop of Obama’s.
Obama agreed at Tuesday evening’s meeting to help strengthen affordability measures beyond what’s in the Senate bill, the aide said. Isn’t “affordability for the middle class” subjective? I mean, if you don’t have enough money to pay for insurance in the first place, how is making it more affordale gonna help? You still can’t pay for it because you don’t have any money. Hence, single payer, I guess. Why doesn’t this WH get it? Damn, what a disappointment, again.
I know I just read that too.
“The Senate bill will serve as the vehicle”
Did anyone else listen to Dr. Groopman on DN yesterday? I think he was also on a PBS show yesterday, maybe making the rounds in NYC.
He was fairly optimistic that this bill would lead to improvements, and possibly eventually single-payer, which he said was not critical to him but he generally supports. He said his bottom line was improving health-care outcomes (promoting his idea of having a check-list for all procedures b/c where it is used hospital deaths are reduced by 46%). He feels that the insurance companies will be forced to look at improving outcomes or become extinct.
So, what affordability is all about is determining how to shovel the maximum amount into insurance corporations treasure chests.
None of this does much if anything to provide health care to those who need it. Insurance is not only unnecessary to providing health care, it actually takes away money that could be spent on health care and makes health care more expensive. In short, insurance is an obstacle to what people need: health care.
They’re in a hurry to ram this through to try and sale it as “reform” as soon as possible.
Why? People going to go to a public option or something?
Its like they say – you said nothing when they came for x, nothing when they can for y… now there is nobody and they are coming for you. (that is to say many people love their health insurance until they need to use it – then its to late).
And yet when that doctor was asked to back up his claim that this helps lead to singlepayer, by describing how that path might look, he completely dodged the question.
So frankly his claim that the Senate bill moves us toward single payer seemed BS, since he refused to even describe how that might look.
I wish that segment had challenged him more about the Massachusettes system, and the differences of opinion he had with the clip of the person they played being critical of that system.
Hard to see what will motivate ins co’s to work to improve outcomes – other than pretending to do so for the PR
For a health insurance company, death is a profitable event because it ends the claim.
Unless you force a life insurance policy to be issued with every health policy, there is no economic reason the health ins co’s will care what outcomes are – esp. post this bill where the fear of pricing yourself out of the market is eliminated by mandates and a welfare check directly to the ins co in the form of a “subsidy to make affordable” – a subsidy that must go up whenever the ins co’s raise their rates.
There it is. Insurance is nothing but legalized extortion, gangsterism. It should be outlawed. And the necessities of life should be removed or exempted from the market system. We don’t need government enforcement of law of the jungle.
i look forward to that myself.
I was interested in the checklists part of the story though. It also showed that there is so much low-hanging fruit around that its not even funny – it will kill you.
Gubment is in such a rush to steal all the money they apparently don’t care about tiny details like this.
outlawed? god. in bizzaro america maybe, where policy is made based on whats best for the people as a whole, and stringent ethical and moral considerations are applied to every possible law. in bizzaro america that is, not in this corporate bought and owned shit hole.
wouldn’t the thing that makes the most sense be the simplest thing? Instead of dancing around with “compensation” and “regulations”, wouldn’t the public option be simpler, require less enforcement of regulations and be effective? To say nothing of single payer. Again, it is incomprehensible that we have to beg to get good effective health care in this nation. It is a civl right.
welcome to the year of the “cigna bronze insurance policy”
Affordability can be assisted by capping the salaries of the corporate execs, and by capping the amount of lobbying $$$ the insurers spend.
Not just that…
Every stage includes doctors and nurses and hospital janaors and everything else that contributes to my hospital bills.
I sure would like to know how to get there from here. But these corporate pet monkeys are somehow the only ones who have a say. Hell, the corporations own the damned voting machines.
yes but the insurance industry didnt want even that modest authentic reform. and what corporate money wants in america corporate money gets. they want to get the same kind of total coporate welfare sucking and fucking that the the defense industry gets, but in this case it will be coming directly out of the peoples pockets. kind of like the government mandating that every citizen has to buy, out of pocket, 8000-10000 dollars worth of F-16 spare parts every year. hey maybe that will be next!
yeah i’d like to know how to get there. “over the mountains of the moon, down the valley of the shadow” maybe.
so we really shouldn’t be talking about health care reform. we should be talking about fully public funding of campaigns and rescinding the $=Speech idea.
Yeah. Several years ago my niece was studying in London, stepped off a curb wrong and broke her ankle. No problem. Go to the hospital, get it fixed. No cost. If your house catches fire, the fire department puts out the fire. It’s what government is for, not killing and enslaving civlians all over the world for corporate profits.
Michael Whitney has a fresh cross-post available: “AFL-CIO President Trumka Arrested During Hotel Boycott”
Corporate ownership of Health Care (and of the government itself, obviously) may very likely prove to be the end point in the devolution of the American mythology. Remember how Mussolini defined Fascism way back when?
Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power. [and] The Fascist conception of life stresses the importance of the State and accepts the individual only in so far as his interests coincide with the State. It is opposed to classical liberalism [which] denie[s] the State in the name of the individual; Fascism reasserts the rights of the State as expressing the real essence of the individual.
Deny the individual, corporatism uber alles. America = emergent fascism.
Allegations of price-fixing, bid-rigging, exclusive sales contracts, local price cutting to freeze out competitors, and the dividing up of markets need to be fully explored through subpoenas and depositions (a law suit by all 50 States and joined by the Feds) so we can get rid of our dysfunctional corporate health care system that’s choking the economy to death.
Federal workers and retirees can select plans at a cost range from $100 dollars a month for the cheapest individual coverage to $500 dollars for the most expensive family plan. I’m voting “MY” pocket book – I want lower premiums and less money taken out of my paycheck – if they want to help spur on the economy they will make sure this happens for all – not just a select group.
Rockefeller’s Medicare plan should also be activated for qualified recipients who can demonstrate that the deductibles are unaffordable to them, and lower the age of Medicare to 55. Plus have a buy in option for those who can afford it – on a sliding scale adjusted to income. That will pump much needed cash back into the Medicare system and with everybody living longer and healthier lives (less red meat) it could eventually be a real strong, positive boost to the whole program across the board.
The bottom line is that 90% of the wealth concentrated in 1% of the population is no way to run a country, but a heck of a way to establish a royalty ruling class. Yacht sales can not sustain 350 million people. I’m for the public option, competition and a level playing field or break up the big insurers like we did AT&T.
A slavish focus on profit margin might be good for the individual or a business, but it is one helluva lousy way to “govern” a Country. The GOP being a wholly owned subsidiary of Corporate America has a hard time with that concept.
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If it wasn’t for this fucking non nested comment system I might say more than just acknowledge your response.
Thank you for the attention.
Is this a progressive site?
It sounds kind of teabggy around here.
How many massive, corrupt corporate industries can the Obama administration and the clowns in congress shovel hundreds of billions of our tax dollars to? So far we have the financial industry and the health insurance industry. What’s next?
For example, I am a temp. worker. My employment agency offers some abysmal form of health insurance (ultimately, what amounts to medical coupons). Therefore, I do not qualify for the subsidies and thus if I want decent health care insurance, I will have to pay full price (which will undoubtably increase with time). That’s okay, as a young American that’s sub-middle class, I don’t deserve anymore than that, right? At least when it comes to the suburban middle and upper-middle classes, the administration pretends to give a damn.
Campaign funding reform taking back the “public square” so television and radio political campaigning are not subjected to current price tag driven political sound biting–true and absolute reform to be sure.
If Chief and Commander Liar Barack Obama and the My Vote for $$ and You Win My Vote Democrats were to let campaign funding reform take place and become law of the land that surely would be a genuine reform.
That will not happen.
Have very little reason anymore to believe Liar Obama and his Party of Buy My Vote Please DemocRATS will do anything other than shovel the $$ into AHIP hatched and incubated “for profit health insurance made more lucrative $$ wise for AHIP members” so called American “healthcare” reform.
I do hope the DemocRATS lose big in 2010 elections and The Fraud Barack Obama gets his ass kicked out of WH in 2012. An American can dream.
This entire so called “healthcare reform” has been a fraud from the start and if the Demodummy/greedy Party thinks this fraud is going to cement for them repeated 2008 election outcomes going forward they really ought to buy some more clues.
At this point it is clear this Obama WH is selling little more than an Madison Avenue image and the so called Democratic Party “leadership” is all about the $$ chase and cash in/out post government work pickings.
Let the GOPers run WashingtonDC into the groud. G.W.Bush,Ronny Raygun and Newt “Contract on America” Gingrich have made so much progress already.
One final thought about this entire AHIP driven “more profits for AHIP members” reform–
If one were to place American education or roads/highways/interstates on “for profit” basis similar to what AHIP and it’s members stand for regarding American healthcare how would that turn out? K-12 and all higher American education premised on ‘for profit’ or all roadways and highways?
AHIP should have been fully taken apart during 2009. Instead it piped the tune and the DemocRATS danced.
Let the GOPers run WashingtonDC. Sooner this current American corporate centric political/militarism regime falls the better.
Up For Bid and Warmonger War Criminal Barack Obama and his Fraud Party are part of the problem.
Not the solution.
Interesting role Mayo Clinic has played in this “health care reform.”
“Unless you force a life insurance policy to be issued with every health policy, there is no economic reason the health ins co’s will care what outcomes are…”
That’s a … very interesting idea. Life insurance/long-term disability. Meaning, if they refuse to cover your needed medical treatment and you die or become disabled as a result, then they have to cover THOSE costs (the way this happens now is with a lawsuit that most sick/grieving people can’t manage).
That’s a VERY interesting idea. It’ll never happen (our government is too corrupt and beholden to the very industries they’re supposed to be regulating), but it’s VERY interesting as a “sneaky” way to change the insurers’ interest in actual outcomes.
Get enough people to ascribe to that idea, dropping the ‘government is evil’ idea, and you can rule America. Until then you can’t get much done without some kind of compromising.
Still, with the barest of 60-votes we can get this HCR done and improve things quite a lot.
They visit from time to time to stink up the place.
Indeed it is an interesting idea. I’ve never heard it before.
But, how could you require them to combine the two. Remember, we do let people in business offer pretty much whatever they want and we usually place regulation on the (other side, the) damage they might do.
Speaker Pelosi. As a registered Democrat and Educator I am appalled at your behavior and policies as speaker of the house. I am urging all important members of congress to impeach you immediately. Your fascist closed door arm twisting leadership will not be tolerated by the American People.
Harry Reid’s perpetuity clause on page 1020 of the health care bill is not only unconsitutional but will result in the wrongful death of millions of citizens. (IMAB) There is no IMAB in the house health care bill.
Brian Crowell
Pelosi doesn’t need to be “impeached.” The Dems can simply vote for a new speaker right now. Then Pelosi can be defeated for Congress in the fall of 2010. No impeachment necessary, or possible for that matter. Impeachment is a term used for Judges and the President and VP. It’s Congress that does the impeaching.