With the news from the top intelligence officer in Afghanistan that the local insurgency can sustain itself indefinitely, time is running out for the dubious counter-insurgency strategy favored by the United States to work. The Taliban insurgency has a shadow government system set up in 33 of the 34 provinces in Afghanistan, and the network is often more able to deliver more resources to the locals than the government.
It does not inspire confidence that the Afghan government can turn things around and become a credible partner when their President is saying things like this:
A defiant Afghan President Hamid Karzai defended his record on corruption in an interview broadcast on Friday, saying the issue that has damaged his reputation had been “blown out of proportion” by Western media.
In the interview, with Qatar-based Al Jazeera television, the Afghan leader said he did not depend on the good opinion of Western leaders, who had sent their troops out of self interest [...]
Karzai acknowledged that Afghanistan “like all countries” has problems with graft, but said: “The Western media has blown corruption totally out of all proportion in Afghanistan.”
Much of the corruption in the country was “inflicted from abroad,” he said. “My responsibility as the Afghan president is to work on the Afghan corruption and stop it. And that we are doing to the maximum of our abilities.”
“With regard to democracy, we have become a good model. We did all that democracy required. We have a constitution. We respect it. We have elections. My first election was accused of corruption and fraud, mainly by the Western media, and we went to a second round. That’s democracy,” he said.
Um, they didn’t have a second round because Abdullah Abdullah dropped out of the race, resigned to the fact that the same election commission who rigged the first round was in charge of the second. “That’s democracy.”
Afghanistan is the world’s second most-corrupt country, behind only Somalia, which isn’t much of a country at all. A hallmark of that corruption is a leader who denies that there is any corruption. Indeed, when the mayor of Kabul was recently convicted in an Afghan court of graft, Karzai defended him, insisting he was innocent.
But while there is nothing credible about Karzai’s position on corruption, this later bit in the Al Jazeera interview seems somewhat right:
He emphasized efforts to reconcile with militants, and suggested Western countries sometimes lacked a nuanced understanding of their enemy.
“We don’t want to undermine the Taliban: we want the Taliban to come and live peaceful lives in our country. We want to undermine the terrorists. I see a difference between the mainstream of the Taliban and the terrorists,” he said.
“That’s what I want NATO countries to understand with us: that the war on terror is not in Afghan villages. It’s not in the pursuit of every man that’s wearing a turban and has a beard.”
Indeed, the presentation by the top US intel officer emphasized this point, that the insurgency “views Al Qaeda as a handicap” that alienates the Afghan population, rebutting the theory that the jihadist network would set up a safe haven in Afghanistan if the Taliban took over. The conflation of the two separate groups is a persistent problem.
The combination of having a government partner in deep denial about his own dysfunction, and a misunderstanding of the forces at work in the country, adds up to an unwinnable waste of resources and American lives.




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David, Karzai IS correct when he says “Much of the corruption in the country was “inflicted from abroad,”.
And one can’t do much about such outside influences when one is dependent on such outside resources.
Hello Kettle? Pot Calling….
And now the Taliban bombs are made without metal or electronic parts, making them undetectable except by bomb sniffing dogs. That’ll give the insurgency a boost.
This is another case where Karzai knows where the bodies are buried,so he uses it as leverage against any chance of his ouster.I predict Karzai will be killed in an explosion very soon.KEEP WATCHING TRUTHSEEKERS
Whoa. I’ve got a very bad feeling about this whole Afghan escalation thing…
What we should do is drop pallets of 100 dollar bills on them.That”ll show them
Isn’t that what Bremer did in Iraq? Worrked out there. /s
Another reporter buys it with an IED…
Yeah,dropped 10 billion in 100 dollar bills and then eventually it was reported that 13 billion was unaccounted for.HOWW SPECIAL!!!
I’d bet money that some of those pallets of $100 bills dropped directly into Bremer’s Swiss Bank account.
Yesterday I listened to a 2-hour panel on Afghanistan, including the person who advised O during the transition. They are completely out to lunch. So many things were wrong with what they said but here are 3 examples:
1. Reidel (the O adviser) sez that national building is not good enough. Got to do region building, esp wrt Pakistan.
2. Peter Bergen gave all the polling stats about how much the Afghanis love the U.S. without noticing that the data show the love declining already, and will likely go to hell with the escalation. (He was arguing that the U.S. partner is the Afghan people, not the govt.)
3. It took 1 hour, 20 min before anyone brought up the cause of the insurgency, and it was a questioner, not a panelist, and the panelists got the answer wrong. One actually said they hate us for our freedoms.
With those Very Special People in charge, how could anything go wrong.
Still no investigation.I believe these sons of bitches know that they have created such a chaotic and police state for us that they consider themselves untouchable by any investigatory agency.The corruption and theft of our money and rights will continue until we have people that are willing to sacrifice life and liberty to stop them
He later noted that he has not spent huge amounts of his country’s money bailing out their financial system.
“My brother and I prefer to accept generous contributions from outside our government to line our pockets. In the larger scheme we are doing our job for chump change. More’s the pity.”
That man deserves a Medal of Freedom.
With those Very Special People in charge, how could anything go wrong.
Good point. It was unsettling (seems like a thousand years ago) when Dumbyah invaded Iraq. The feeling I have about this Afghan thing is even worse. It ain’t gonna be pretty…
Sad. I wonder if it was the new kind.
Reverand Wright had it right when he said the chickens have come home to ROOST.It has been 60 years of USA intervention into other countries,filled with political asassinations and the funding of coup-de-tat.Paybacks are a BITCH
I was wondering the same thing myself..
How could it be worse than Iraq?
Im starting to sound like a real MILITANT.My mamas very proud.
Overthrow dates U.S. interventionism from 1893 when the U.S. took over Hawaii. But if you think about it, the whole history of the U.S. is taking over someone else’s land. The foreign adventures had to wait until the continent was captured.
I stand erected
The very special people get paid by, or make a profit off what’s happening now.
We need to keep asking WHY are the Muslims so angry. What is there motivations?
I don’t believe that their mothers and fathers are delighted when their children say “Mommy, Daddy I’ve going to become a suicide bomber when I grow up”
WE lynched the blacks,we butchered the Indians,we cooked the JEWS,we outsourced Americans jobs.THAT is our HISTORY
The book is well worth reading. It was one of my happy finds, a book I was looking for to put it all in one place. Still, he covers only 14 of them because he had strict criteria for the amount of U.S. involvement (it had to be decisive iirc). If you loosen the criteria, there are many many more examples.
The Khost bomber made a video and his widow has been interviewed. She didn’t say she was proud in so many words, but she certainly articulated his grievances clearly.
Oh dear sweet Ghu, we’re being run by fools and idjits.
Examining the US in terms of 19th Imperaialism is interesting. The US was the first unified continental empire.
There is no logical reason, other than the projection of power, for the US continent to be unified. The west is separated by large mountain ranges. The Middle lies between two mountain ranges.
Can the US can survive unified with the impact of Peak Oil? There really is no benefit to the west to send 20% of every dollar earned eastward.
More
mercscontractors to replace fewer troops. More corruption because of the heroin trade and the need to protect the gas/oil lines. Even fewer concrete goals, if that is possible, and no reason to imagine any.On the plus side they probably don’t need to build another massive compound to hide in. The downside is that the lack of a good reason never slowed them down in the past.
Outsourcing our jobs is the same as murder because the end result is homelessness,hopelessness,and penniless.
Yes, I know people are resigned or accepting to expression of anger. It’s not anyone’s first choice.
Don’t know how I managed to watch the whole thing. Didn’t even throw a shoe at the TV. I persisted because I wanted to know if there were a real case to be made for the U.S. operation there. There might still be, but those fools certainly didn’t make it.
But the size of the civil war in Iraq will not be matched.
In a perfect world a new civil war here could be of Biblical proportions,thats what It will take to stop this madness we are currently tangled up in.When the alternative of DEATH becomes the easier choice to make,this will happen.We are almost there.Am I being too outrageous???
People react to adversity in many different ways. Mostly what I see is resignation, not militancy.
I notice weve chased everybody else off this forum.SORRY FDL
Right, killing for peace is like fucking for chastity. Or maybe you mean a civil war of biblical proportions where no one gets hurt.
Kiling is needed if your defeating the enemy at the same time
Save that bullshit for someone who cares pal. And fire up spellcheck while you are at it.
A little angry for a SUNDAY are we?
Not at all, I just know bullshit when I see it.
How are my comments bullshit.Do tell
You never bring a knife to a gun fight and the correct spelling is killing.I just happened to be all LLLd out at the time.
From an economic standpoint, it takes a lot more money to move troops and materiel around. Something like $1M/troop/year? And wooden IED’s to fuck that all up. Ugly any way you slice it.
Note to Karzai – call the bribes “campaign contributions” and you’ll be in the clear.
I’m not seeing where the “west” sends 20% of every dollar east.
The “blue” states send the welfare states (normally the red states – less populated mid-west states plus the south) enough money so that the red states get back from the Federal Gov more in program money then they send Washington in Taxes.
But The East cost Mid-Atlantic and north are givers to the south – and are not taking a dime from the West Coast. And non-coastal West is part of the welfare states that take from the others – all in the name of the common good – as they prevent single payer health in the other states.
You realize that we are using the 500 dollar toilet seat mentality when we put values on services for our Frugal Pentagon,but I digress.
Kiling is needed if your defeating the enemy at the same time
Absolutely.
One of the problems going forward in Afghanistan that I worry about is the rapid increase in the use of mercs. Not merely because it is so obviously wrong from an ethical standpoint but because the process is moving large amount of cash from “liberal” or neutral causes over to people paid to do things we don’t want our troops to do. This may well lead to a cultural sea change. Those that believe that violence is a worthy approach will have the money and power to back up their beliefs when they return. Eisenhower’s warning never imagined a US government spending billions on mercenaries.
The Romans tried to their Pretorian guards away from Rome for a reason. We will not have that luxury.
I don’t think it is difficult to arrive at an answer as to why Muslims are so angry toward the US. The problem lies in that the answer is too discomfiting.
It is difficult for people to accept the fact that is is the actions of their own government and military that causes the hatred around the globe toward the US. It is the shear and massive destruction of lives and homes that this country leaves in its wake that accounts for that hatred. And as if that were not enough it is the support of the Israeli devastation and cruel subjugation of an entire Arab population that adds to that hatred.
At some level most people here know full well that it is their country that provokes this hatred. They do not want to accept it and they grasp eagerly at the comforting excuses the government and media machine provides them. They also know that the solution to assuaging this hatred lies here at home by simply ceasing to cause all this suffering and death.
There really is no mystery about any of this.
Reagan, in his southern strategy, made sure that red states were net receivers of government largess and that the eastern blue states would be the source of the money. Very little has changed which is why the south and center of the country have prospered since then. That includes the current economic downturn.
500 dollar toilet seats are so Proxmire. The pentagon has misplaced a trillion dollars over the last few years that they admit they can’t find. If you can loose huge sums of money without having to account for it you don’t need $100 hammers anymore.
and why would anyone expect that our leaders are competent? We have had proof over the last say 20 or so years that the vast majority of our political leaders have been/are incompetent. Why anyone could believe that gwb was the best person for the job is beyond me.(or Kerry)
the fact is that after 1 year we now can see that Obama is simply a politician. Somewhat smarter that the average, but a pol all the same. Subject to saying things that he must have known would not get done. I give him points for attempting a health care bill, but the way he has gone about it guarantees failure.
Congress has once again proved to be full of mental midgets. Am I looking at the past thru rose colored glasses or were our past legislators so much better than the, frankly, idiots we have today? I remember Watergate summer. I was on Temp Duty the entire year, going to factories all over the country, a country I might add that was totally fascinated by the Senate committee on Watergate. We had some real giants. Even the hacks managed to make themselves into something better. We forced a president out of office. I contend that Ford made a massive error when he pardoned Nixon because then the rethugs could(and did) claim that Nixon did nothing, it was all John Deans fault. That failure to have a trial-it would have really hurt the rethugs for many years-gave us the dysfunctional govt that we have today.
The polity of the US has become fractured. Each side points to what they consider is TRUTH. But what really bothers me is how the rethugs-and the MSM-have pretty much ignored the fact that Obama won. Is it just because Obama is black? Or is it because of the way the news has been presented(by all networks) to the sheeple, which implies thru sophisticated propaganda that Obamas govt is in fact illegitimate. The dems also have their place in this. Their total failure to run both the senate and the house despite veto proof majorities and their complete failure to refute every rethug lie also makes the sheeple think(I know, an oxymoron) that the dems also think that Obamas govt is not legitimate.
As we become more fractured and as the populists rise in media exposure we hear words like torture(ie “enhanced interrogation”) being thrown around as if it is something that the govt should do and these terms do not meet with censure .
What have we become? The majority of the world already thought we were barbarians because we elected bush, now they are begining to think that Obamas election was an aberration, that maybe we are really just a nation of ignorant racist thugs who believe so many things that are simply not true. Thugs however, with the best military in the world.We are starting to scare the shit out of the “civilized” world.(I stopped watching US network news. I watch the news from China, Japan, Korea, Canada and the BBC-satellites are the only way to bypass american MSM propaganda)
This is what has happened since 911. The fear that bush preached for 7 years, the continued fear that the rethugs preach, the nation of sheeple has become a fearful nation, saying that our legal system is not good enough to try terrorists, that if these “suspected” terrorists come into the US we will all die. We also believe that programs like 24 are real, bush people actually used that program to justify torture.
The adults among us have thrown up their hands and said “I give up”. The inmates are taking over the asylum. We can now see just how thin the veneer of civilization is in the US. FEAR + RACISM = a nation that is clinically insane.(with nukes)which is why the world is sore afraid
We have now entered “The Twilight Zone”, where an ignorant fundamentalist racist xristian is the most popular of the rethugs who want Obamas job.
Whatever happened to the govts we used to have? Where a rethug prez was limited due to a dem congress, where both parties worked together to solve massive problems? What we have now is the future of the country. First the rethugs forced out the minority dems, then the majority dems appeared to attempt to reach out to rethugs, wherein the rethugs then bit their hand.
I have been reading history for almost 50 years. While there were some totally vile elections in the past, the advent of TV has given rise to a new way for the haters to spread their vileness. And when the fourth estate eggs them on rather than do any fact checking, well, I am really glad that I am old. I will not live to see the union self destruct. I have no confidence that the sheeple will become educated, that they will vote with their brains rather than their fears.
You speak the truth, except that the sheeple actually believe-and will always believe- that “they hate us for our freedoms”
A little late to this discussion, but thought I’d mention that Hamid Karzai is UNOCAL oil.