Reporter Anna Edney relays a message from Ways and Means Chairman Charlie Rangel, that a self-imposed deadline for a deal on health reform has been tentatively set:
Chairman Rangel tells me health reform negotiators hope to get a package of changes to CBO no later than Saturday.
That leaves basically three more days of negotiation, which would explain that marathon session at the White House yesterday aimed at reaching an agreement. Generic “progress” was reported coming out of that meeting, but nothing specific, and with three more days to go, an ultimate agreement seems a tall order. But the President is fully engaged in these final negotiations, and whatever comes out will bear his stamp.
Representative Robert E. Andrews, Democrat of New Jersey, a subcommittee chairman who was briefed on the negotiations, said: “President Obama has his sleeves rolled up and is in the middle of the discussions. He is choosing the right moment to be engaged. His effectiveness will be higher because he waited until the last moment.”
The long talks at the White House were unusual and suggested that Mr. Obama, Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Reid wanted to close a deal as soon as possible. Lawmakers often meet with the president, but usually for no more than an hour or two.
What are the key issues involved in the negotiations? One is the financing of the bill, obviously, with the options of the excise tax, the surtax on the wealthy, or the extension of the Medicare payroll tax to investment income. House Democrats are still trying to keep Medicaid expansion at 150% of the federal poverty level, rather than the 133% in the Senate bill. House leaders want a national insurance exchange rather than the patchwork of state-based exchanges which may not feature the same kind of rigorous regulation or economies of scale.
In addition, Democrats are asking the pharmaceutical industry to chip in $10 billion more in give-backs of profits to pay for the bill. It’s absolutely galling that politicians have to ask corporations before making laws which affect them, but that’s America in the 21st century. PhRMA hasn’t yet responded.
FDL News will continue to monitor the health negotiations.
UPDATE: Sam Stein is reporting that the White House and labor have made “big strides” on the excise tax, not only exempting collectively bargained plans but also moving toward exempting anyone making under $200,000 a year from the excise tax. If that’s true, is there any real need to have the tax? How many plans would it affect, really?
All these new exemption, however, would require negotiators to find a way to make up for lost revenue. So far, discussions have centered around a small tax on the wealthy — a watered-down version of the House’s preferred way of funding reform. But there are other possibilities on the table, one of the sources said.
One is extending the Medicare payroll tax to investment income.



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Gettin’ my nose plugs out so I don’t smell the steamy pile of shit.
We have said all along that Obama is not hesitant or cautious. When he wants something, as here, he goes all out for it. And he does want this, sellout that it is.
I’ve been inspired by the deviousness of the process and how long it took to figure out how it worked.
Yeah. That Obama is deeply involved in these negotiations is bad news, IMO. He will, no doubt, advocate for the insurance industry.
insulting and disgusting to anyone who has paid even cursory attention
Yeah this is brutal. he wants his “historic legislation”. He has never struck me as someone who is big on the details of history, apparently he’s not aware that some “folks” (to borrow his favorite cutesy homily) really, REALLY dont show up well in history.
The American people want single payer at rates of more than 2 to 1 when polled !
From above
“What are the key issues involved in the negotiations? One is the financing of the bill, obviously…”
Funny but when the public not only favors overwhelmingly a public option and the CBO has stated unequivocally that the stronger the public option the greater the savings to the American people , it’s hard to see this for anything other than what it is ,corporate governance at it’s finest.
Obama has set up the situation so that he loses as much if he fails to deliver a bill as he would if he delivers the bill that’s shaping up to screw the broad constituencies in his electoral coalition in favor of the narrow constituencies of his governing coalition.
There is no way that Obama will confront power between now and November to the extent that he can undo that damage with populist initiatives.
I guess it would be racist to say “Heckuva job, Brownie!” here, huh? But the end effect of Obamacare and Bush’s abandonment of New Orleans is the same: people get screwed, corporations win.
To quote Johnny Rotten from the Sex Pistols’ last show, “Did you ever get the feeling you were being cheated?”
The two party system must be abandoned !
The democrats were handed the whole ball of wax during the last two election cycles and have been shown , with the exception of a very few , to be completely in the pockets of industry .
Time for a REAL change !
This case will most likely make it virtually impossible to oppose complete corporate contol of elections and thereby silence dissent .
Next will be the end of net neutrality . The time to act is now while opposing voices can still be heard !
What no link ?
http://topics.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/08-205
Talk is cheap. Building a party takes work.
Well we’re coming to the end. I actually feel sorry for one arm of government. Do I feel sorry for Obama? No, he sold us out. Do I feel sorry for the senators? No, senators are pretty insulated and only have to run for office every 6 years. But imagine, just imagine, if you are a member of the House of Representatives. House members are going to get pounded with the multitude of flaws in this bill from every nook and cranny of their districts, 24-7, 365 days a year. A migraine headache that will never cease and will continue to grow in intensity. My suggestion to house members after this vote is to take your platinum retirement plan and ruuuuuun as far away from Washington DC as you can get.
But I feel most sorry for we the people. This process has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that corporations own us lock, stock and barrel. Maybe our children and grandchildren can pull us out of this mess. We have proven our generation cannot.
Okay what do you suggest.
It took a lot of hard work to dismantle the Bush regime and help Obama get elected . There is plenty of energy out there and as much discontent with the two party system as I have ever seen based on the polls .
I believe it’s on e of the problems the house is having with passing this legislation . It isn’t looking good for their re elections in Nov.
Is this a harbinger of things to come for the democrats in November?
The house needs to kill this bill and start over or face the consequences !
And math is also against a third party. Our constitutional design (majority-takes-all elections on a seat by seat basis) makes two parties the stable situation.
The people running the show like it this way.
Damn whats with the hyper links here? The last one didn’t show up till I re posted it a second time . Sorry for the redundancy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/13/mass-senate-race-gibbs-ac_n_421750.html
One day of taking off work en masse would put the actual situation into perspective for everyone. We have surrendered control of our democracy because we have forgotten the value of autonomy .
Self be your guide ,
self be your leader ,
do not look for any other leader .
Gautama Buddha
Maybe our children and grandchildren can pull us out of this mess. We have proven our generation cannot
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The next generation will find themselves dealing with other difficulties because the corporations couldn’t find a way to profit off of THIS situation enough to make it worth their while and we let them .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LcQ4FWpLgQ
David Dayan, does it bother you that these meetings have been held in secret and that the majority of Americans are not in favor of this Health Care Bill? Why can’t you get to the bottom of the Pelosi, Reid, Obama shell game and ask questions, as a so called journalist, why this administration is not listening? Charlie Rangel, a tax dodger, is part of the process, doesn’t that ring a bell? Please define the word “reporter” for your readers.
The tea parties are growing with independent voters. The dems are toast. Look at mass. for proof. This bill stinks to high and hell. You can see it on the pols. faces. Yet they will still vote for it. Obama is taking dems. down the cliff.
Is it possible that this WH could be learning?
Gibbs said he did not know “why some segment of political observers don’t seem to be as motivated”
Hope so or is it headlines like this
Majority Would Vote Against Obama
January 14, 2010 9:15 AM By Reid Wilson
either way you can’t betray all of the people all of the time, even the American Voter’s get it at some point.
Understood, but since the two party system is especially resilient to challenges that upset the imperative of “the permanent government,” I’m not sure which is more difficult, the inside or the outside strategy.
We probably need both, with some sort of nonaggression pact, if possible.
As one who inherited the CA Green Party and has worked within a local Green Party context, I value the work that folks who came before me did, the grassroots organizing which has qualified the party in more than one half of states and know that those who cavalierly call for a third party simply do not appreciate the heavy lifting that others who came before us did.
As a weak player amongst the big guys, nascent independent political formations are constantly buffeted by the major corporate parties, our fortunes rise and fall with the attention that the Dems pay to the progressive base and the extent to which the Dems are able to demonize the Greens as enabling Republicans.
While the Democrats succeeded in framing Nader and the Greens for 2000 and the lead up to the Iraq war, fair or not that framing succeeded, many progressive Democrats are now realizing that Obama sold them short, and that the permanent corporate government would have figured out a way to start a war somewhere to keep the cash flowing.
I’m rethinking Nader?
Obama ran to the left of Gore, if anything, and has ended up pursuing policies that were to the right of Clinton, closer to those of Bush II.
2010 is not 2000, and I’d not expect that anyone support Nader in 2012. But many progressive Democrats are reevaluating their view of the Green Party, given the paucity of daylight between Clinton, Gore, Bush II and Obama.
At the core, there really is no difference between what the party hacks will allow to happen at the top of the duopoly party.
…we’ll let’s dust that baby off it’s time
Dont know what the answer is but neither party cares about the people. I like freemans idea of a day of protest from all sides to let the government know that left or right —we wont abide corruption. Would it scare our politicians if Jane, Arianna, Glen Beck and Rush L organized a day of protest to let the politicians—all of them–know that we arent stupid and want honesty and transparency. We want them to care about the needs of the people they represent and not the special interest groups. Only in my dreams–too funny