In her weekly press conference today, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was fairly adamant – a proposed spending freeze should apply to defense, not merely non-security discretionary spending, as the President seeks. “I don’t think we have to protect military contractors. I do not think the entire military budget has to be exempted,” Pelosi said.
“We want them to have everything they need,” Pelosi said of military forces abroad and their families. “But we do not support an entitlement program for overruns in defense contracting,” she quickly added, noting millions could be saved if lawmakers ensured Defense contracts did not overshoot spending targets.
Defense contracting waste really does not flow to other areas of the economy, and a “freeze” where discretionary spending can rise as defense spending falls would actually create more jobs and improve the economic outlook. We really cannot afford a military-based stimulus.
Pelosi has some powerful support for her criticism of the exemption of the military budget – military analysts who face the bloat in the contracting system every day.
Steve Kosiak has spent much of his career as a defense analyst frustrated by military bloat. In early 2003, he found it was “impossible to say precisely” how much of the Bush administration’s military buildup was actually attributable to the post-9/11 emergency and how much was pre-existing defense pork. A 2005 paper he authored for the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a leading Washington defense think tank, warned that rising defense costs could add “some $900 billion to projected deficits.” And in December 2008, he devoted almost 100 pages to carefully itemizing the costs of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars — $970 billion as of then, he found — and placing them in a broader social, economic and budgetary context.
The Obama administration is deeply familiar with Kosiak’s work. A year ago, the White House tapped him to oversee defense spending for the Office of Management and Budget. And that makes President Obama’s decision to exempt the hundreds of billions spent annually on defense and homeland security from a proposed overall freeze in discretionary spending — a policy he formally unveiled in his State of the Union address Wednesday night — particularly difficult for defense analysts to understand.
Leading defense wonks, particularly those on the left, have harsh words for the exemption. “Ridiculous,” said Laicie Olson of the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation. “Completely inappropriate,” said Lawrence Korb of the Center for American Progress. “A political decision,” said Charles Knight of the Project on Defense Alternatives.
Korb elaborated on this in a guest post for Think Progress.
Clearly, Congress is not swallowing Obama’s call for a freeze without raising objections. However, he did make an explicit veto threat in last night’s speech – saying that he would send back any budget that did not meet his guidelines. More light will be shed on this when the White House’s budget is actually released early next week.



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Watch her back down when the next “national security” scare comes up. Didn’t a scare just happen to pop up this Tuesday after Obama raised the spectre of a spending freeze on Monday?
Maybe she will. But if she doesn’t, I think Obama is the one who’ll be backing off.
A man on an airplane tries to blow his balls up. Quick, let’s build another aircraft carrier!
blah, blah, blah, we don’t have the votes, blah, blah, blah
Oh swell, Obama, threaten Democrats. Do nothing vis-a-vis Republicans.
I would like to see defense spending capped at no more than the combined defense budgets of China and Russia.
I don’t think that the “freeze” means anything legislatively. I think it’s a declaration of the principles in the construction of the 2011, 2012, and 2013 budgets. On the discretionary spending, it is a presidential commitment that the total be the same as 2010 budget levels and no more. The President is perfectly free to budget cuts in national security spending or to cut specific contracted programs. What to look for next week is in the details of the budget, down in the weeds. Where are those cuts being made and where are the increases being made.
The national security budget has a fundamental problem that must be addressed soon. The institutions of US national security functions were created 63 years ago at the beginning of the Cold War, a security environment that is now 20 years in the past. There needs to be a fundamental reorganization of national security, which needs to include an examination of the extent to which we need a permanent military-industrial capability (just in case) and weapons systems for every eventuality including 19th century warfare (just in case) and an extensive intelligence function that is increasingly used against US citizens innocent of any law and not posing a threat. We need to consider the extent to which the availability of certain capabilities causes a search for an excuse to use them.
As for Pelosi, in this case she’s grandstanding.
That Nancy Pelosi is about the only cocktailhag in government that’s worth the olive in her martini. Good for her, and tell her I’ll meet her in Palm Springs some time.
Speaker Pelosi wants the U.S. government to stop throwing money at war profiteers? What a novel idea.
well, i’ll be farkin swizzled.
for anybody to even say this is significant.
I knew I’d read comments that would crack me up on this thread. I’ve heard many of you dissing her long enough to know. ‘Ceptin’ for cocktailhag. Good on you, Girl.
And, Sharkbabe. Only the womenz standing up for Nancy?
Glad Nancy spoke up. May not happen but it’s worth the effort.
Thank You! Mrs. Pelosi
The only difference between Nancy and other Dem leaders is that in the early going she’ll occasionally tell the truth. When it’s crunch time she’ll toe the party line.
It is unfortunate that our government is so corrupt and dysfunctional that we are left to derive our only meager satisfaction from the rare occurrence of a pol speaking truth.
If you want to find waste and fraud in the budget, just look at the military programs. The contractors do not eat those huge overruns as everything turns out to be over schedule and over budget. The military suppliers just run into all of these problems that “no one could have predicted.” I am shocked, but gratified, that pelosi spoke the unspeakable with regard to the “freeze.”
broaching the freakin subject is where it starts.
and yes, da menz (institutional ones) luvz da warz. they are utterly forced to lest they be branded ghey.
Pelosi counters Obama’s mythical spending freeze with a mythical freeze of her own. Has anyone in Washington read a copy of the Emperor’s New Clothes?
Feeling better today? I hope so.
Thanks for asking. Still a little off kilter. Next treatment is two weeks from yesterday. Hopefully the side effects will lessen with repetition.
Hope all is well in your world.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David dayen and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
First of all the most tellin’ statement regarding Obama’s “freeze” is that he stated several times that Medicare and Social Security would NOT be included. I think Pelosi is doin real Kabuki like she always does to get offa the hook with the majority of her constituents who are anti-war and social progressives…she is neither. She knows there will NEVER be a freeze in military spendin’ but she can always pretend that she was for it next November when healthcare doesn’t pass and folks are lookin’ at frightening escalations in military demands from the corporate wars.
As for Obama, he is NOT stupid and he knows that Social Security and Medicare are never gunna get gutted by Democrats again and even if a non-partisan commission were constitutional it will NEVER get outta the Senate. So Don’t worry about Obama and the veto of jobs or infrastructure spendin and Social Security and Medicare are bein held harmless.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION…IT’S ALL ABOUT THE CORPORATE WARS STUPID!!
wars cost more money than anything else – pass it on
Speaker Pelosi: “So let it be written, so let it be done.” She had the power to de-fund the Iraq occupation, and never used it. So color me skeptical.
Well enough. Thanks.
I wish we had the capability to allow 30 seconds of benefit of the doubt. Once in a while.
I’m glad some of the girls of the female persuasion are lifting the Nance up here. The menz? Someone needs to get a smile once in a while. That’s a hint fellahs.
(((ratty)))
regards all, going to bed
Defense spending is one of the only REAL third rails in U.S. politics (another is unconditional support for actions by the government of Israel).
Citizen ratfood:
What’s up with this “treatment” thing…you doin chemo or radiation? Stood by as the Field Marshall of the Norske clan went through both over 5 years ago now…it WILL be better…good days and bad days, citizen, hang in there!
OK, maybe that was harsh. The next generation of aircraft carriers begins with the USS Gerald R. Ford, which will cost $11.7 billion (not counting airplanes or support vessels). The Navy wants to build ten of these supercarriers. How many will Speaker Pelosi cut?
g’nite Sharkbabe, best to you and yours
“Every war is a war against children.” Howard Zinn, Nov 2009 at Boston U.
The current fad in DC is naturalism.
Citizen SouthernDragon:
“War is not good for children and other living things” Old hippie on peote 1969. (Rest in peace Brother Zinn, you earned it).
When I finish my PHD in Everything, I’ll show up in the evening again.
Much appreciated but fortunately nothing quite that serious. My rheumatologist recommended a biologic drug called Remicade for my psoriatic arthritis, which has already deformed by hands and feet, among other things. Roughly $1500 a dose but I’m on disability and fortunate to have Medicare. Since it is given by IV at the hospital it is covered by Medicare Part B and will not throw me in the Part D doughnut hole.
Had the first one yesterday. Left me feeling a little out of sorts.
Very best to you and your family. :-)
Does that mean they are all going nude? In Congress?
Geez, I hope not.
I had one of those posters. But, no peyote. Maybe one of my problems.
Please don’t wait that long, hon. Bob ‘n’ I would miss ya too much.
Organic drones?
Darn straight, I don’t want to have to pay extra for C-SPAN.
Citizen demi:
We could ALL use a couple buttons of peyote around here…puts stuff in perspective if ya catch my drift.
might as well be organic drones.
Soon as I get the call to go do the drug test for the job I applied for, I’m in. Got a little tiny baggy of leftover xmas present burning a hole in my safe. :) No shit.
Citizen ratfood:
Good days and bad days, Citizen…as that giant of contemporary philosophy, Emily LaTila always said: “If it ain’t one thing it’s another”. Ya got a lotta folks behind ya in the struggle, dear.
If they start going nude, I’ll toss my tv out the window rather than pay extra for C-SPAN.
Oh, damn. A black SUV just pulled in front of my house. See what happens when I’m honest around here?
Citizen demi:
Tell me when yer “up” Citizen and I’ll look for ya on the western horizon.
Why so much?
Citizen demi:
Don’t panic…jest tell ‘em you were gettin ready ta test Nancy Pelosi’s phones.
Thanks, man.
I quit working at the end of 2002 to take care of my mom and lost my insurance. Went several years without any prescription meds which was kind of rough. At least since 2007 my pain has been more or less managed. Certain amount I’m resigned to live with but it’s always been that way. I was born with a defective spine. I remember having back pain when I was about three years old but had no idea that wasn’t normal.
I’m grateful to cope as well as I do. There are folks much worse off and I pray we can provide help for them soon.
I wouldn’t have thought law enforcement of that kind would be reading comments here.
Will do, dearheart. If they don’t call by tomorrow, errrr I might have a nice weekend. Or, whatever.
See, some people here might be surprised.
How about the underwater artillery range off Florida’s coast?
Allegedly for training purposes.
Training for what? Al Queda suddenly into scuba these days?
Maybe our military wants to make sure they destroy all marine life with their toxic weapons.
whats wrong? hope it aint serious!
sometimes i just loves me some Nancy…going to bed early……….tired,big snow storm tomorrow
hey norske
late night two flights up
oh take good care…hot baths with eppy works well for me…i buy essence of pine and deep breathe
Thanks for the tip.
Give Bazzie a hug for me. :-)
be glad to send some…i get it at
http://www.iherb.com/Default.aspx?gclid=CMe45uLcyJ8CFQgRswodMHor8Q
this is better
http://www.iherb.com/Pine-Needle-Oil
Thanks but if I got down in a tub I’d have to live there.
nite all!
just put some on a HOT washcloth when your in the shower…over your nose,and breathe
g’nite sadly, tell all the critters I said, “Hi.”
Bob’s got a nice, strong, loving dad. (((ratfood)))
Thanks, he’s not spoiled either (much). :-)
Several commentators have noted that Obama last night was, if anything, cal-cu-lated.
Does no one think that Obama actually talks to Nancy?
Obviously the calculation was that any “budget freeze policy”–an obvious Roach Motel for Conservatives–had to include a military/terror exemption or the Roaches would scream and be able to trash it easily on Faux News.
What if, Nancy was fed the role of saying “Military too!”? Heck, she’s a radical Nazi-Commie from Cali-treasonia, so let her be the designated flak-catcher.
But now it’s *in play*, and even the gasbag Villagers, properly fed with the pie charts so obviously showing where ALL THE MONEY IS GOING, can’t help but start to….follow the money….
The other thing I’ve noticed is that DADT–which has been horrifying Kryptonite to the Joint Chiefs who have all those underlings who are homophobic fundamentalists–are seeing the opportunity to let the Commander-In-Chief be the flak-catcher on their resource problem: losing all these really talented (and expensively trained) gays and lesbians being forced out at the very time that they have the most critical shortage of talent *during wartime* that they’ve ever had to deal with.
And who is it who protect those useless defense procurement programs that ought to be cut? No, not the Joint Chiefs, its the underlings who–despite the theoretically hierarchical nature of the DOD–really have the power. This is obvious if you have a relative up in the service or have seen “Seven Days in May.” So do you think they’d mind having “the Boss” come in and cut them?
Well, if all Americans traveled on aircraft carriers and military planes with Blackwater bodyguards, we could finally feel safe and they could finally have the entire GDP. Win win!
We might not be so safe, even with the Young Republican Evangelical Mercenaries of Jeebus along for the ride:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/07/navy.sub/
But listen to them, “it was negligible, nothing really, move along now, move along…”
Come on! What’s a little radioactive water among friends? It’s not like we’ve ever created any real radiation problems for the Japanese. Besides, if they were better Christians, the Almighty would have held back the radioactive water for them and sent all of it over to China. If any harm came to them, it was their own fault.
That’s right, only the heathens need fear the gamma rays, praise the lord.
The day this Country wakes up and realizes that our bloated Military that does very little to protect us, has raped the wealth of this Nation and given us shit for it, is the day we have a future.
Freezing Military spending isn’t good enough, cutting the fuck out of it is still to little to late.
The trillions we have spent on our Military could have paved our streets with gold, solved all of our problems, and still had enough left over to have the most powerful Military in the world.
Thank goodness Pelosi gets it and we have at least 1/2 of one branch of government on the people’s side.
good luck.
I despise how f’king government programs run only less than I despise the fascists –
My family was on welfare when I was a teen in the 70′s, and then I was on financial aid trying to get skills / through college in the early 80′s, and I’ve had 17 different medical plans in my life (including cross-your-fingers several times) … there are NO legitimate reasons for programs to run as f’king poorly as they do.
know why too many people listen to bullshit from raygun and bush and prop 13? cuz of this medicare part ABCD XYZ VVIICCLLMM kind of bullshit – anyone sentient enough to drool on themselves know that these morasses of rules exist to employ asshole consultants, bureaucrats, accountants, pin headed managers, and thieves.
so if you get the drug nasally on a tuesday at a 7-11 they’ll cover the first 70% of hte last 30% minus your right leg ?? … assholes.
rmm.
I don’t care what they say. You go girl.
Congresswoman Pelosi earns points with me every day with the right steps she makes. I can see mis-steps, but I can also see when the right things are being done. Yes, I can see.
BTW, Hello all from this newbster. I send my love to you in advance.
Pelosi is right to call attention to the funding being spent on private military contracters as they are set up to be able to act outside of the law. They abide by no international law or military code. These entities should not be government funded in any way.
So, when your Speaker of the House presents to you that she will freeze the budget on these private contracters, you need to support her in this endeavor.
IamRaven
P.S. – Freezing the budget *on the government* is THE stupidest shit that this government can do to “fix” this eceonomy, IMO. Clean energy IS the new economy, so get ready. America will succeed at producing these technologies only *IF* our trade relations are revisited.
IamRaven
But Pelosi is origami-cally inclined….
She’s just like Obama… if her lips are flapping she’s spewing lies. Fascists the entire lot.. and why not they own all the corporations see http://www.cafr1.com