President Obama is holding a town hall right now in Nashua, New Hampshire that was both a teachable moment and also incredibly revealing about the bankruptcy of the President’s spending freeze.
The President, responding to a question about Judd Gregg’s fiscal commission, said that people have misconceptions about the budget. He said that, if you talk to people, they’d say that the waste in the budget comes entirely from foreign aid and pork. He calmly laid out that foreign aid represents 1% of the overall budget, and “pork” represents 1% as well. “What really accounts for our federal budget is Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, defense, interest on the national debt,” Obama said. He said that if you wanted to cut the deficit using solely discretionary non-defense spending, exempting entitlements and defense, you would have to cut everything else by over 60% (I think his math is off; you’d probably have to eliminate them completely). “Can you imagine? So we’ve got to have an honest conversation about all aspects of the budget,” he closed.
We sure do. That’s why focusing on a spending freeze on those same discretionary non-defense parts of the budget as the centerpiece of fiscal responsibility is so unserious. Obama essentially delivered the argument against the freeze.
What Obama failed to say is that the cause of the deficit is extremely simple – the Great Recession. We both lose tax revenue when millions of Americans are out of work, and we have to spend on unemployment and public health and welfare programs at the same time (known as automatic stabilizers). And yet, despite this known reality, it’s the deficit that’s seen as a prelude to American decline and not the the unemployment crisis, that “human recession” which the Obama Administration sees as perfectly reasonable to exist for close to another decade. Christina Romer just rolled this out the other day, a benchmark of 8% unemployment at the end of 2012, without a hint of a problem at that. This is indeed a depressing reality, that concerns about the deficit have trumped this human crisis.
As many have pointed out, the administration projects high unemployment for years to come.
So what’s the response to this dismal, family-destroying prospect? A brief, small additional stimulus, followed by a spending freeze. In essence, the administration is accepting mass unemployment as just one of those things we have to live with [...]
While the freeze won’t be a big deal, it will depress demand during a period in which, according to the administration’s own projections, unemployment will stay very high.
What we’re witnessing is an awesome national failure.
We don’t know if the President’s budget projections will turn out; these things are unpredictable. What we do know is that we’re in the midst of mass unemployment and the Administration is playing small-ball on spending freezes that they admit won’t do a thing on the deficit side, without coming up with anything to deal with the jobs crisis.
Brendan Nyhan and Matt Yglesias have more.
UPDATE: Rich Trumka, President of the AFL-CIO, says this pretty plainly in a statement. I’ve bolded the key point:
In Washington, too much attention is being paid to the budget deficit—most of which President Obama inherited from his predecessor. Not enough attention is being paid to our massive “jobs deficit.” We need to create over 10 million new jobs just to get back to where we were when the recession began. This massive jobs deficit demands bold, urgent action to create new jobs and grow the middle class. In any case, the most effective way to reduce the budget deficit is to eliminate the jobs deficit.
UPDATE II: Ugly.



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I have to say that I find Christina Romer especially aggravating. She looks all roly poly and lovable and smiley as she delivers nasty news. At least Geithner looks like a Golem and Summers looks like Jabba the Hut. They roll out Romer with her fairy godmother looks and expect us all to nod and move down the chute like good sheeple.
How does Military Spending compare to domestic spending? How do farm subsidies (Giant Agribiz like Cargill = ethanol) figure in?
There is a lot of knowns and unknowns and known unknowns and the wars you want to fight with the army you have not the one you want.
IOW, the MIC is what’s been sinking us all along.
Responsible for deficit: recession, W wars and tax cuts, baby boomers.
Bravo David Jobs make paychecks that buy goods and services. Jobs can be created if the banks are forced to lend to enterprises that create payroll and restore employment to pre recession and then add what is needed to employ the crop of students coming out of schools with big debts to pay. Jobs paycheck!
This post should be chiseled in stone and planted in front of every institution on the Planet. In a word opportunity for everyone to be part of the solution.
America’s people & government have been borrowing against their future for decades. The future has arrived. Some of the bigger states are going off a cliff. They’re the canaries in our coal mine. It’s gonna get major ugly.
a political leader that would cut defense spending as a first and use the money to support social programs who was against the iraq war has called bush a war criminal who does not want to threaten bomb or invade iran would trash the patriot act and restore habeas–RON PAUL join the revolution
Obama’s point is that you can’t cut discretionary spending to deal with the deficit. His Fake Spending Freeze is entirely consistent with that. The $15 billion a year that he’s cutting out of meaningless programs will do nothing to depress overall demand. The political capital that he’ll get from that in order to boost jobs is the only thing that matters, not moon missions. Now are these jobs initiatives even close to enough? No. But the new jobs initiatives he has proposed do cost vastly more than the fake spending freeze, so anyone who refuses to acknowledge that is purposely missing the forest for the trees.
Oh joy, Paul would do one thing we would like while ignoring all the other problems. Please go away.
Ron Paul is not pro-choice. Ron Paul is pro-forced-birth. Is such antiquated thinking what is needed a time of exploding population growth? Ron Paul does not want to support poor children after they are born. Ergo Ron Paul is extrememely flawed.
So what of non-discretionary spending should he cut? What say you?
I say de-fund war spending.
going to get popcorn
to borrow and spend you need consumers to buy your products that is what small business is saying is not their our artificially low interest rates and the excessive consumer and government spending is the identified culprit– to make cheap money more availible is the problem (to the bubble) not the solution-borrow more and more and more–the banks shuold have been allowed to fail cheap houses would have abounded and been bought –trying to artificially keep housing inflated(for the fat cats) by cheap money–those who live above their means will be forced to live below–welcome to reality–they are going to make this last ten years-let housing prices find their own unsupported bottom-it will help average americans
Robert R
Yes, I would slash all military spending except soldier’s pay and basic gear. Raise taxes on rich people, capital gains, and generally restructure the tax system so rich people actually pay. Cut payroll taxes for low income people. Hundreds and hundreds of billions in new infrastructure and clean energy jobs projects. Give it a decade or two, and voila, no more debt.
Not being rude, but some punctuation might make it easier to understand what you are trying to articulate.
I just don’t “get” stream-of-consciousness writing.
Nice.
So you would oppose cuts to Social Security and Medicare/caid I would presume?
Robert Reich:
The debate over health-care reform looked like democratic deliberation until you realize the key negotiations that framed the deal occurred behind closed doors, between the White House and Big Pharma and Big Insurance. The Administration promised these industries some thirty million new paying customers. In return, they agreed not to oppose the plan. Big Pharma even placed a firm limit on how much it would cut its costs over the next ten years — $80 billion, and not a penny more. How do I know this? Not because this crucial deal was made in public, but because it was leaked to the press.
Washington is now so overrun by lobbyists representing moneyed interests that it’s become almost impossible to make policy in the open. If the Treasury and Fed tried to decide publicly which industries and firms should get hundreds of billions, they’d be inundated. Wall Street lobbyists are blocking real financial reform. The energy industry has filled the House’s cap-and-trade bill with special subsidies and exemptions. Big Pharma and Big Insurance would have killed off the health-care reform if they hadn’t been bought off. When it comes to the long-term deficit, Congress is incapable of acting because so many special interests have their hands out.
george:
The Obama administration embodies these relationships hook, line and sinker. We just reelected Dubya Bush for all intents and purposes. In order to facilitate massive increases in the defense and intelligence agencies budgets, the Bilderbergs are going after the rest of the government pie.
And we can be sure that whatever bullshit Barack shovels out to “the people” at town halls, it barely scratches the surface. The shadow government owned and operated by Wall Street and the crony capitalists in Washington will call the shots that count.
So, what are Progressives going to do about it?
anti-war anti-patriot act pro-habeas, anti-bailout, not threatening iraq,stronger anti-war voice than any dem,legalize drugs, no corporate welfare, worked with ralph nader (TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THIRD PARTIES),dennis kucinic’s 1st choice for vp sounds like the opposite of dems–progressive
Eli is upstairs!
Our Political Situation In A Nutshell
Looking at the budget cuts that Obama made in the discretionary budget, he did do it carefully. Check out Terminations, Reductions, and Savings.
Terminations:
Abandoned Mine Lands Payment to Certified States – Interior
Advanced Earned Income Tax Credit – Treasury
Anthrax Vaccine Research – Health and Human Services
International Labor Comparison Program – Bureau of Labor Statistics
Brownfields Economic Development Initiative – Housing and Urban Development
C-17 Transport Aircraft Production – Defense
Challenge Cost Share Grants – Interior
Children and Family Services Job Demonstration Program – Health and Human Sevices
Christopher Columbus Fellowship Foundation
Coal Tax Preferences (Expensing of Exploration and Development Costs, Domestic Manufacturing Deduction for Hard Mineral Fossil Fuels, Percent Depletion for Hard Mineral Fossil Fuels, Royalty Taxation) – Energy
Commodity Storage Payments – Agriculture
Constellation Systems Program – NASA
Economic Action Program – Agriculture
Election Reform Grants – Election System Administration
Emergency Operations Center Grant Program – Homeland Security
Entitlements for Intermediaries under the Federal Family Education Loan Program – Education
EP-X Manned Airborne Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Aircraft – Defense
Consolidation of ESEA Programs Terminating 22 Programs – Education
Grants to Manufacturers of Worsted Wool – Commerce
Harry S. Truman Scholarship Foundation
Health Care Service Grant Program – Agriculture
Congressionally-directed (euphemism for earmarks) Health Resources and Service Administration programs
High Energy Cost Grants – Agriculture
Inter-City Bus Security Grant – Homeland Security
Joint Strike Fighter Alternative Engine – Defense
Los Alamos Neutron Science Center Refurbishment – Energy
Leveraging Educational Assistance Partnership Program – Education
Local Government Climate Change Grants – EPA
Multifamily Housing Revitalization Demonstration Program – Agriculture
Navy CG(X) Cruiser – Defense
Net Enabled Command Capability – Defense
Oil and Gas Company Tax Preferences (Enhanced Oil Recovery Credit, Credit for Oil and Gas Produced from Marginal Wells, Expensing of Intangible Drilling Costs, Deduction of Tertiary Injectants, Exception to Passive Loss Limitations for Working Interests in Oil and Gas Properties, Percentage Depletion for Oil and Natural Gas Wells, Domestic Manufacturing Tax Deduction for Oil and Natural Gas Companies) plus increasing the amortization period to 7 years – Energy
Oil and Gas Research and Development Program – Energy
Public Broadcasting Grants – Agriculture
Public Telecommunications Facilities Grants – Commerce
Rail Line Relocation Grants – Transportation
Rehabilitation Act Program Consolidation – Education
Resource Development and Conservation Program – Agriculture
Rural Community Facilities – Health and Human Services
Save America’s Treasures and Preserve America – Interior, National Park Service
Small Department of Education Programs (B.J. Stupak Olympic Scholarship, Byrd Honors Scholarship, Historic Whaling and Trading Partners, Legal Assistance Loan Repayment, Underground Railroad Educational and Cultural Program) – Education
Surface Transportation Priorities – Transportation
Targeted Airshed Grants – EPA
Targeted Water Infrastructure Grants – EPA
Tech Prep Consolidation – Education
Telecommunications Development Fund – FCC
Third Generation Infrared Surveillance Program – Defense
Unconventional Fossil Technology – Energy
Voice of America – Croatian and Greek Language Broadcasts – Broadcasting Board of Governors
Water and Wastewater Treatment – Corps of Engineers
Water and Environmental Research Systems (WATERS) Network – National Science Foundation
Watershed and Flood Prevention Program – Agriculture
Yucca Mountain Nuclear Waste Repository – Energy
Click through the link to see the reductions and savings identified.
In any assessment of the budget freeze and how well it will work, it helps to see the details. And you will notice that Defense is not held harmless from budget item cuts, just from a cut in the total funds for Defense.
Be real! With out a Military in this World we could lose our country. Just needs to be a fundamental change in how we use the Military. As for the rest of what you said I greatly Agree. Make the Rich PAY for 30 years of robbing from the country and especially the Middle Class. Raise the top rate to 90% until we have no debt and surpluses for ten years. OH and make every corporations pay a pre tax on their gross profits of 10% then tax the rest at normal rates.. They have been ripping us off since the 1850′s.. no loop holes..
You betcha ya Kelly. Our elderly need something in their twilight years. SS is vital to their survival. The Social services of this country should be improved greatly it is a crime what has been allowed to happen to good Americans due to neglect from birth to death. Not rich you be fucked!!
We could make the case that the defense spending make us less secure, in two ways:
1. It drains our economy.
2. Fighting foreign wars increases the number of our enemies.
I’m for a well regulated militia. Like the Swiss.
Big bloated wasteful money down the rat hole:
Iraq, Bush tax cuts, health care (which hits Medicare and state gov’ts) and military spending.
What’s happening with them:
Iraq is coming to an end near you.
Bush tax cuts end at the end of the year. Blame it on Bush, not this gov’t.
Health care may hold steady after HCR.
Military spending is still up in the air.
Yes, but think how much it cost them to build those giant protective mountain ranges around their little isle of peace and secret bank accounts.
/s
Shorter Obama: ‘Let them eat cake’.
I’m not sure the prez knows whether he’s coming or going on the economy. He’s swallowing the Summers pills and repeating talking points…clueless or manipulative?
He’s not a fool, he is doing exactly as he always intended to. Lying corporate sellout, first and last.
They roll out Romer with her fairy godmother looks and expect us all to nod and move down the chute like good sheeple.
Don’t blame the talent, blame casting. The White House is in the same situation that Saturday Night Live is when they want to portray a black celebrity, they’re stuck giving it to the white Fred Armisen in blackface or the even less believable (and yet curiously, actually black) Kenan Thompson. Kenan as Tiger Wood? Come on!
Anywho, the White House’s problem is that they need to have Elizabeth Warren out front and center explaining (and ideally, crafting) its economic policies. But since Warren’s not on the team, Dr. Romer is the closest match among Obama’s Not Ready For Primetime Players.
DEFICIT COMMITTEE
At his town meeting in New Hampshire, President Obama criticized Republicans for voting against his proposal for a bipartisan committee to study deficit reduction ideas and make recommendations. He singled out 7 Republicans who had co-sponsored the measure and then voted against it, presumably because Obama was for it.
But I believe that 16 Republicans and 37 Democrats voted for the bill, leaving it 7 votes short of the new, foolish number of 60 votes needed to succeed. Questions: Where were the other 20 Democrats who failed to support their president? Where was that effective Majority Leader Harry Reid? Where was that powerful Chief of Staff,Rahm Emanuel?
homer http://www.altara.blogspot.com
Talking about a “Spending Freeze” in our current economic situation is just batshit crazy. Even if he doesn’t really mean it, why even go there?
Sure, our deficit is 11% of GDP. But it was as high as 20% of GDP during WWII so maybe the deficit isn’t really the #1 issue at the moment.
Maybe we just need to invest in the employment and productivity of our workforce. And of course… clean up Wallstreet and end the wars.
And oh yeah, fire Geithner, Summers and Rahm… they are no good.
When you freeze a small portion of your spending, but continue to increase your bigger portion, you will end up with more spending. “This is how Budgeting works” amjad hourani