MSNBC is reporting that 19-term Congressman John Murtha has passed away. He was 77.
His condition was thought to be grave after complications following gall bladder surgery. He was expected to be in the hospital for several months.
Murtha was a chair of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee and ran for House Majority Leader in 2006. He was an early voice against the Iraq war in 2005, before many members of Congress were willing to do so.
A special election is expected in Murtha’s district, which includes Johnstown, within a few months. But for the time being, this reduces the Democratic majority in the House by 1, and further complicates efforts to find 218 votes for a health care bill. Murtha voted for the bill in November.
UPDATE: Just a note, I have roots in the district, on my mother’s side of the family. Most of my family members there either knew Jack Murtha well or worked for him or in a building named after him. He single-handedly kept these people alive, in many respects, after the area’s economy just went to pot like many Rust Belt regions. Murtha recently said, referring to several scandals about earmarks, “If I’m corrupt, it’s because I take care of my district.” And I’d agree on both counts.
There is a Democrat running who was going to primary Murtha, a former Navy guy named Ryan Bucchianeri, on a good-government platform. But he has not seemed to gain much traction. Bill Russell, the Republican who ran against Murtha in 2008, actually disappointed expectations and lost 58-42, after being touted as a sure winner by the right, but at this point, he certainly holds an advantage.
This is a very depressed, very ethnically homogenous, very culturally conservative district. It will be a tough race for Democrats to win, particularly in a low-turnout special election.
UPDATE II: A bio is here.
UPDATE III: Just to be clear here, this leaves the House with a current total of 433 members. That means that a majority is 217, not 218 as it is normally. Murtha was a likely yes vote on health care, but essentially not much has changed in terms of the raw vote count there.
My guess would be that they would schedule a special election, if at all possible, for Pennsylvania state primary day on May 18. I don’t know if that leaves enough time for the primary, so that may just be the primary election for PA-12, with a general election to follow. That would mean no filling the vacancy until either May 18 or late June.
Robert Wexler’s House seat, which he left vacant at the end of the year, will be filled by April, in a general election between Democrat Ted Deutch and Republican Edward Lynch. Deutch is expected to win, but now because of Murtha’s death, that will raise the threshold back to 218 votes. Another complication is the expected retirement of Hawaii’s Neil Abercrombie, who is running for Governor, at the end of February. So there’s a lot that’s unclear here.
Abercrombie’s departure would have changed nothing before Murtha’s death, but now it does – it would bring the House down to 432, with 217 votes still needed for passage – and only 217 members who voted for the House health care bill still in the House. And with the HC summit scheduled for Feb. 25, I don’t see much room for a vote before Abercrombie leaves. I’m guessing he’ll be pressured to stay if his vote is needed.
UPDATE IV: Someone more familiar with Pennsylvania election law informs me that this election will actually be quicker than I thought. There is no primary election; the political parties nominate their own candidates for the special election and it’s held within 60 days actually at least 60 days out. So a replacement for Murtha will be in place by April 13 or April 20 in all likelihood, the primary day of May 18, since that would be cheaper for the state budget.



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Rep. John Murtha is one of those which the Journal of the American Medical Association says is 225,000 Americans who die from medical mistakes each year, many from unecessary surgery. The American rate of infections and hospital readmissions because of complications is much higher than any other industrialized nation, yet Americans falsely claim to have the “best health care system in the world”, yet in OECD rankings Canada ranks 6th, Britain ranks 17th, and US health care ranks 19th and dead last. This is the true place that American health care occupies and Rep. John Murtha is a victim of this last place in the industrialized world health care.
This is a shame, in many ways. I hope the Dems will find a good candidate and, oh, I don’t know – actually put some money behind him/her. And not let Rahm Emanuel near the process in any way.
I don’t claim to the detailed knowledge you have, but my impression was of a basically good man, who helped his district in the same way Congress folk always have, with earmarks and, yes, pork. Because its porkin your district, development in mine.
for murphyj87 – do you have facts to support that assertion? Certainly not impossible, but I like to see support for such claims, when made. Hard to evaluate otherwise.
Make sure you take advantage of his death to push your agenda.
Yeah not unlike the bush folks took advantage of 9-11 to commit all kinds of governmental malpractice.
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) called Murtha one of the “most corrupt members of Congress.”
“If I’m corrupt, it’s because I take care of my district,” Mr. Murtha said. “My job as a member of Congress is to make sure that we take care of what we see is necessary. Not the bureaucrats who are unelected over there in whatever White House, whether it’s Republican or Democrat. Those bureaucrats would like to control everything. Every president would like to have all the power and not have Congress change anything. But we’re closest to the people.”
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/30/murtha-corrupt-district/
My mourning period will be relatively brief.
That’s right, act just like those fucking assholes.
But the dems failed to take any advantage from Ted Kennedy’s death, why would they take or even be able to take advantage from a lesser democratic luminary?
I always liked Murtha. He was one of those old style politicians – gruff and blunt. I think he tried at least to do right for his people. Don’t know anything really about the corruption charges.
But may he RIP he was one brave Democrat to speak out against the botch war in Iraq. Though he voted for troop authorization, his later opposition was grounded in his beliefs and not in political posturing.
maybe they will wait until his body is cold.
This is probably not the time or place to discuss the problems with American health care, especially since he had a government plan (Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP)).
R.I.P J. Murtha
Murtha was a conservative and a crook. He was one of the most corrupt members of Congress and that is saying something. He was also a bigtime supporter of the MIC. His one redeeming act was to speak the truth about the pointlessness and tragic waste of the Iraq war, something that few of his more “liberal” Democratic colleagues would do.
May he rest in peace. Peace to him and to his family.
I can speak from experience that gall bladder surgery can most def result in infections and complications. I had mine removed in ’82 as they transitioned from foot long incisions to the current day laparoscopic surgery. (Mine was about a five inch incision).
And I was 30 at the time which is far easier to deal with the infection than at 77, as Rep Murtha was.
R.I.P Rep. Murtha
thank you
Sounds like malpractice to me. Should have gone to Canada for surgery, would not have had this tragedy. My condolences to the family.
Yup… and had no problem taking reproductive rights away from women — especially when those women were serving in the military, in the middle of nowhere, and not caring about giving them options to get medical services elsewhere.
My mother’s home town was Johnstown. Only visited it once in my adult lifetime, Labor Day weekend 1990, with her & my son. Pretty depressed then, even more now I would imagine. I do remember on every 4 corners, there seemed to be 2 churches and 2 bars.
He’s a public figure — comes with the territory.
Home of the PONY League World Series Protect Our Nation’s Youth
Was, he died.
Well, since there are obviously so many perfect people who have never ever done anything wrong or off kilter in their lives, I guess they all get to cast the first stones, right?
Especially since he’s just died.
Didn’t know that and don’t know about the program. Is it a good one?
In 1990, only one of the original 13 steel mills was still functioning. The local ecomony seemed made up of medical clinics to treat retired steel workers for brown lung disease.
Doesn’t matter goddammit we are really smart and are going to let everyone know it!
‘was’ True… but I can be thankful we won’t get three weeks of prime time TV crying over his loss… like Michael Jackson.
Not bad, it’s for older kids and more competitive. I like Dixie Youth because they are serious about protecting the kids arms.
He died… so? He still did what he did — facts are facts…
Just a simple Marine Corps funeral I suspect.
SanderO is that you?
Yeah — should be a real novelty — coz the MSM certainly won’t put on the telly all those military 20 year old kids that died in battle.
So it’s impossible for you to respect one person’s service, even if he did things you don’t agree with?
Fer chris’ sake, even Nixon didn’t get piled on this rapidly.
yep — and some people would definitely put Murtha in that category —
I hope his district thinks carefully when picking his replacement.
Do you coach or have some other personal connection with those programs?
At least Murtha put his ass on the line and was wounded, not many of those up on the hill.
Er,,, where did I say I disrespected his service? — eventhough he disrespected the rights of women who were servicing?
I spent many years in the field of recreation with a specific interest in kids sports.
We have it here in Ohio. Those are some of the most exciting baseball games I’ve ever watched.
Point? Anyway, I’m moving on with this discussion.. but to put this guy as a saint… arggh.
So then why can’t you let the man get cold before dumping on him?
My father was a phys ed elementary school teacher, also did a lot of coaching. But that was in the reaaallly old days, long before all the leagues. Had only intramural and city school leagues back then.
Mine too although he coached at the HS Varsity level.
My learning experience for today. What ages?
My older brother spent almost 50 years as a HS basketball referee, boys. Also refed girls & boys soccer.
women who were servicing?
Sounds like something Claytie Williams once said.
Gallbladder surgery is not unnecessary. They don’t do it until they have to, because it is major surgery, even when it’s using laparoscopy. (And complications are not unknown.)
If you have anything to back up your implication of incompetence, provide it.
No one is painting him as a saint. He had some positive legislative accomplishments as well as not so positive. He answered the country’s call and faced bullets (unlike a lot of the chicken hawks we deal with in Congress).
He recognized that the occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan were futile and wasteful of human resources as well as monetary resources.
serving… thx.
And I can speak to that with full experience.
My mother had hers out at 74, and it was successful. (And one knee replaced at 83.)
You must live outside of range of any TV station or newspaper. All of them notice, especially for the patriotic days.
I live just outside of Seattle — that’s a pretty major US city — and no we don’t TV coverage of kids coming home in boxes — or see the wounded with half their faces blown off.
Agreed.
We’re not going to have too many politicians being recommend for sainthood after they’ve passed. His stand against Iraq and Afghanistan given his district took a lot of gumption.
We should not throw around charges like malpractice because we simply do not have sufficient information. There are risks associated with even routine surgeries properly performed: infection, age and overall healthc status, migrating clots, stress of procedure, etc. A gall bladder surgery is often fairly routine, but it can have major risks as well. For one thing, you are talking about digestive enzymes which can cause damage to healthy tissue. These enzymes are produced in both the liver and pancreas which excrete them into ducts which either shunt them to the gallbladder which acts as a reservoir for them or pass them on into the intestine. Now when we say a gallbladder was removed, the problem may not be just with the gallbladder but almost any combination of these ducts and organs.
I have no information beyond what I see in this post. The long recovery time is suggestive of pancreatic involvment. If the outlet from the pancreas is obstructed, the enzymes can build up in the organ and start to digest it. This can create an unholy mess. The pancreas often will regenerate over time but the patient has to be fed either with a J-tube inserted further down the intestine so as not to trigger these enzymes or parenterally (by vein). Both of these involve somewhat invasive procedures and so carry their own risks of complications, such as infection.
Mine was removed when I was 30, just before I got out of the USAF. My incision became infected (and I know how and why it happened) but it’s a major difference dealing with an infection at 30 than at 77.
Hoops is by far the hardest of the three major sports to call.
He was one of the main boosters that ‘fed’ the war[s] — often as not working with the Republicans to ‘hide’ $$$$$ that fuelled the war[s].
If he was serious about Iraq — he would have [with his military standing and all.] pushed his call for a draft — he didn’t.
Rest in Peace, John Murtha.
If he’d stayed in the Corps, he would have probably replaced Chesty Puller as Commandant — and been a damned good one.
He was a bit conservative for my tastes, but unlike Duke-Stir he cut his pork deals to help out his district, not just his own wallet.
And he spent a lot of time at Walter Reed, talking to wounded vets — so much so that it was joked at one point that his congressional mail should be forwarded there.
Well, maybe replace Chesty as the Marine icon anyway. Chesty was never Commandant, but he was the overall icon and spirit of the Corps.
(I read a bio of him years ago. And he was involved in a lot of the bad things the US pulled in Latin America, but he was Marine to the end. His son was also a decorated Marine in Vietnam who wound up in a wheelchair from his injuries)
I hope I didn’t start some conspiracy here. It was widely reported that there was an infection after surgery:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/02/john-murtha-in-stable-conditio.html
I don’t really know much beyond that and nobody should jump to conclusions.
For all his flaws, Rep. Murtha was very courageous– and not just by the low standards of Democratic congressmen. He was the first Vietnam War combat veteran elected to Congress. He made the mistake of voting for the October 2002 AUMF, but later dared to go public with what many powerful people privately knew– our military was accomplishing nothing worthwhile in Iraq. He dared to call a war crime a war crime, even when his fellow Marines were the perpetrators at Haditha.
RIP Rep. Murtha. We who remain will carry on the fight, even if it will not always be the fight you would have wanted us to wage.
Heh! Wishful thinking on my part — I always thought of Chesty as the Commandant, in part because he got screwed out of the job. I think what his son went through killed him more than anything.
19 terms. This man put his own life on the line for what he was told was for his country,
May he rest in peace. He deserves peace
Thanks this adds some details. I would still like to know if this was surgery induced or a pneumonia. If his physicians thought it was related to the surgery, a perforated duct or something, I am surprised they didn’t dose him with antibiotics and open him up. Or perhaps he just went down hill too fast and whatever initial window for a follow up surgery closed on them. A post-operative pneumonia wouldn’t require, of course, further surgical intervention but could be as devastating.
Murtha’s public life was morally … complex. He served with valor in Vietnam, and he stood up against Bush before it really became cool to do so. But he got his own chapter in the book “Adventures in Porkland” for an all-too-unflattering reason.