The vote to block Craig Becker from a position on the National Labor Relations Board, which “lost” by a count of 52-33, angered some longtime Senate Democrats, who would be needed to eventually change the Senate rules.
“I’m in my thirty-sixth year. I’ve never seen anything like it,” said Judiciary Committee Chairman Pat Leahy (D-Vt.), noting that no previous Republican Senate leader would have allowed his party to filibuster such a routine nomination.
Leahy said that the overuse of filibusters by the GOP was leading Democrats to consider ways to modify it.
Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), another long-serving member, said that abuse of the filibuster is unsustainable. “I think it will either fall of its own weight — it should fall of its own weight — or it will fall after some massive conflict on the floor, which has happened in the past where there have been rulings from the chair that have led to reform,” Levin told the Huffington Post, adding that the filibuster should be restricted to major issues.
Why is the Becker vote drawing such outrage? It’s difficult to find any other instance of a nominee for the National Labor Relations Board even coming up for a cloture vote at all. Becker’s confirmation hearing was the first for a non-chairman NLRB nominee since 1980. As Sherrod Brown notes in Ryan Grim’s piece, for decades, Republican Presidents have nominated pro-management types to the NLRB and Democrats have nominated pro-labor types. Understand that the NLRB arose out of the National Labor Relations Act of 1935, and here was Franklin Roosevelt’s signing statement on that act: “This act defines, as a part of our substantive law, the right of self-organization of employees in industry for the purpose of collective bargaining, and provides methods by which the government can safeguard that legal right.” Having board members not disposed to labor would actually violate the spirit of the board, yet that has been done consistently with Republican nominees.
So that’s the background for why Senate Democrats are so fed up. The fact that Becker actually got 61% of the votes of those present yesterday may also be a factor. As Ben Eidelson notes, the Senate is by nature an undemocratic institution in that the representation is skewed toward small states, and sometimes a filibuster represents the votes of a majority of the US population. In fact, that happens most of the time – 64% – when Democrats are filibustering a Republican majority, and just 3% of the time when Republicans filibuster a Democratic majority. But this is not how we count votes in the US Senate, with each Senator getting the proportion of the vote of the population he or she represents. In a perfect world, a unicameral legislature would serve the nation well. But until that time, the 60-vote hurdle, now being trotted out for routine appointments, is too onerous for a democracy to function, particularly one with such unbalanced ideological rigidity from one party.



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Fascinating. I had no idea cloture had not been used on any NLRB nominee before.
So what the heck was Harry Reid doing?
the gop is not filibustering so they can’t be overusing it. they are threatening to filibuster. but because the dems insist on folding instead of calling the republican’s bluff, we haven’t gotten to the point of an actual filibuster.
that may not be so much a problem with the rules as a problem with the dems refusal to use the rules that are available. too much work, i guess. poor things.
Why wasn’t there a filibuster? If only 52 members of the Senate voted to close off debate, why isn’t debate continuing? Why does Harry Reid pull these nominations from the schedule?
A brave president who wanted the NLRB to function would recess-appoint members to fill its seats. Get crackin’ Obama.
Segregationists lost face during those anti-civil rights filibusters. The power of the majority to force the minority to make idiots of themselves in front of America is lost when the filibusterers don’t even have to get up and stall. And it cuts into their fund-raising time.
Again, this in my view is largely a false argument. Liberals are upset because they can’t pass liberal legislation in the Senate now without 60 votes. But if the 2010 elections usher in a Senate that is controlled by Republicans progressives will be all too grateful for the filibuster.
Arguing about this is like arguing about whether a parliamentary system is better than our own.
It’s a futile argument about the relationship between means and ends when the real argument as always is about the systemic nature of political and economy power in our Bilderberg world. What Marxists call “political economy”.
What counts in the end is getting as many folks in the government as you can who will back your own political agenda.
If Obama and the Democratic Congress really wanted progressive legislation and/or progressive appointees perched on the NLRB they would have them. They would devise a way to get it done. But they don’t so they won’t.
When it comes to getting a progressive agenda passed it’s not “the Democrats versus the Republicans”. That’s the usual red herring of the mainstream press. Instead it’s Wall Street Congressional minions versus Main Street Congressional champions.
Yes, a recess appointment is the right response.
Interesting to note the the current Republican member of NLRB, Peter Schaumber, received a recess appointment, served for about a year, and then was confirmed for a regular full term.
Reid and Obama share the same flaw: they think that the process is important. They don’t care about winning. They won’t do what it takes to beat the barbarians into the dirt if it means discarding the old rules.
Harry was trying to box his way out of a paper bag.
I am not sure getting rid of the filibuster is where wisdom lies.
I think a strict limit, 2 or 3, per session might be a good way to go.
Bullies. Just before the election the economy imploded. “You might win the election but you will begin in a deep, deep hole, so much for your hope. Hope costs money and it is all gone. As for your change thing, good luck. We do not want to give you a chance, we will never support anything you want to do whether we like it or not. Furthermore we will rule from the minority by rabid obstruction of your policies. Oh yeah, you suck at defending our Country from terror and you are a, I don’t know, a racist.
Not to mention your Socialist Government takeover of health care and……”
Yep working with Rs is really in full swing now. Demos can now say it isn’t their fault, change I can believe in
Truly its time to make both parties work for it. The repuglicans to do nothing to better the lives of Americans and grind the government they despise so much to a halt and the democrat party to stand and fight. Go ahead and filibuster I say.
David, could you perhaps re-word this to make it a little clearer — or maybe I’m not understanding it.
I thought that, in effect, the “blocking” won: the vote to cut off debate failed, and so the nomination was blocked.
Your wording makes it sound like the blocking of the nomination “failed.”
Just a suggestion.
we’re not gonna have the majority for ever and we’er probably not going to have it for long
if we trash the filibuster we’re gonna be having lots of trouble in the future
on the other hand, I’m pretty sure teh republicans are gonna trash the filibuster as soon as they have the majority
in the end we’re screwed regardless, with corporate sponsorship of elections, blue dogs, I don’t think there’s a good chance we can get progressive policies back into governance
Why doesn’t Leahy sit down and compose a strongly worded letter. That’s always been a proven winner.
This is all a scam.
All the Dems are not complete morons. The Neoliberals in the Senate and in the White House want to keep the progressives at bay and out of control.
Post 6 by GeorgeWalton is the correct answer.
What this great depression is doing is exposing how the Democratic party and Republican party have been brought by Wall Street.
The pressure that is coming from the bases of both parties will eventually lead to major changes that will either be good or very bad for the USA.
The more american parents, young people, look around and see no hope or avenues to a better life, the more this anger will grow.
Remember revolutions seldom start in nations that have been poor for long periods of times, they usually start in nations that have been poor for a short period time.
BTW, the reason given for not forcing the R’s to actually filibuster is that it takes way too much time. The Senate really does do a lot of “stuff” during the day and they don’t schedule in wasted filibuster time.
Plus the public gets mad at both R’s and D’s when either party is causing both parties to just waste time.
This is more huffing and puffing by Democrats. If I was a Republican, I would be soooo scared…….not.
Th public is paying attention?
Took a rise of Dems registering and voting Socialist to make FDR and the Dems pass a New Deal.
I suspect it’s what will be needed again. Sooner Dems quit beating each other up over third party swings… the better.
Most of this consists in telling ordinary Americans to “stuff” it. This has been one of the least productive Congresses I can remember, unpardonably so given the state of the economy.
We have the majority now so get rid of the fillibuster, for now. Vote it in again before the next election and, if retain the majority, boot it again. The combo of Harry and the WH have no balls between them.
The corporations that sponsor all the Senators want the Labor Board to continue to be ineffective. Right to work states. Union busting. Race to the bottom wages.
Not my original idea, but Senators should be required to wear NASCAR type jumpsuits with their sponsors’ logos readily seen by all. Like NASCAR, the biggest sponsors would have the largest logos and best placement on the chumpsuit.
It is hard to choose between money and morality for these pricks.
i completely disagree with you on this.
first, because i do think process is important (unless we want a world where the biggest bully wins). and second, because i don’t think either reid or obama give a flying eff about process. they just use it as a convenient excuse.
The constitution enshrines majority rule. It protects it vigorously.
The constitution reserves a two thirds vote for a very FEW things:
and it is explicit about them:
conviction of impeachment — and that is two thirds of those senators present, not those elected.
treaty verification in the Senate
veto override both houses
amending the constitution both houses
25th amendment for incapacity of president.
It is time for the nuclear option. I agree that it is a dangerous thing because you lose its protections should the majority AND the WH change.
as Sir Thomas More said? Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ’round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!
But we have entered emergency territory with HCR and nominations.
The Dems will lose big if they continue to show they are ineffectual.
isn’t about 1% of a senator’s time is spent on the senate floor nowadays? i guess we wouldn’t want actual debate to interfere with fundraising and time spent with lobbyists./s
So what the heck was Harry Reid doing?
Exactly what he always does. Nothing.
Masaccio has a fresh cross-post up: Ben Nelson Wants College Kids to Pay for Nebraska Jobs
Maybe include a picture with him wagging his finger. Yeah. That’ll work.
And Obama would have followed the rule of law in regard to fisa, torture and finance reform. Instead he has helped to obstruct the natural legal consequences built into our system. You can’t have it both ways…he played nice (people pleasing) hoping that it would “get” him some capital…but it never does. Why?? Because the ulterior motive is the problem. We people please to get what we want…and the narcissistic authoritarian knows this full well. They see through it and it makes them angry because to them it’s hypocrisy. Meanwhile Obama looks like a big victim which makes them look strong and him look weak. He should have come out and let the law decide the fate of all of the law breaking of the past administration. He should have stepped out of the way…and let the legal consequences play out. If he had done that he would be in a position of power acquired not by bullying or trying to control the outcomes but by TRUTH. They would cry ulterior motive but the true motive would be to save our democracy and do what’s best for the country.
He’s a people pleaser and the more he tries to hold the repugs accountable, the uglier it is going to get! And he can’t help that so he needs to simply do what’s best for the country! He’s the leader.
There is a lot of concern over what would the republicans get in a fillibuster free senate, but what didnt they get in the Bush Administration? About the only thing that springs to mind is the social security privitization. They got the tax cuts, the two wars, the patriot act, NCLB, and deregulation out the wazoo. End this madness and let the chips fall where they may. In good times inaction might be a blessing, but these aren’t good times and the government seems totally unable to move any needed piece of legislation. We really do have the Polish, prewar, system of government, that eventually led to their downfall. Because the republicans are in lockstep 40-41 votes, any Dem can torpedo legislation for any pissant reason.
look at the dems so-called jobs bill. dday has reported that it includes an extension of the patriot act. the dems are not just ineffectual, what they are trying to accomplish can’t stand up to public scrutiny. that’s one reason why i think they are afraid of a real open debate.
I mean these are slam dunk issues. When you get to culture war nonsense Republicans can win because it’s all about emotion and all about faith or the ephemiral. Here we have cold hard economic failure, real solutions and an opposing party that has zero ideas, yet the Democrats cannot make hay.
Obama and the Democrats frittered away their first year. Nothing looks like it is going to be accomplished this year either in terms of real legislation, and not the usual sellouts to corporations. The Democrats are going to get killed in November and quite honestly they deserve to be.
The truth is they should have changed the filibuster rule back in January 2009. The Republicans had already said they were going to use it to block any legislation they didn’t like. Failing that, the Democrats should have forced the Republicans into mounting real filibusters. But, of course, they didn’t.
We have to remember though what the real situation is. The Democrats did not have a great, progressive agenda that was stymied. They have been governing using the Bush Administration and its policies as their foundations and continuing most of them. So even if they somehow got rid of the filibuster, we would not see policies that the country needs, but really a Republican agenda with a Democratic name on it.
what real solutions? they exist, but i haven’t seen the dems pushing any of them. maybe because the majority party has zero ideas too?
No, that would be a weak anti-democratic President. A brave President would have his VP go nuclear instead of hypocritically supporting the democratic vote only when it is convenient and then ignoring the democratic vote when it is not. This weak President afterall insisted on having 60 votes for corporatist HCR rather than 50 votes plus Biden for strong HCR, so if Obama acts like a hypocrite on the democratic vote, that would not make him brave but rather weak and no defender of democracy.
Well thats what I am saying. You have an obsolete infrastructure and yet we can’t build or rebuild any part of it. We have crumbling schools, the “one mile” problem with internet connectivity and are in desperate need of mass transit in many cities. There are healthplans that include a public option that, while aren’t radical by any means, would lower premiums and improve care, yet we can’t even pass that. What is staggering is that there are real solutions and good ideas, but they are ignored for the interests of elites and corporations.
Have the rules been changed so that a threat to filibuster is presumed to be real and not a bluff so that no one actually has to carry out the threat? Without the potentially disastrous political consequence of nationwide humiliation and embarrassment from hijacking the Senate agenda by babbling incessantly in an empty Senate chamber in opposition to a simple majority’s desire to pass a bill, there is no down side to threatening a filibuster and an obstreperous minority can control the Senate. That’s not only nuts, it’s stupid.
If Harry Reid has the power to force the Republicans and their Blue dog cohorts to put-up or shut-up on their filibuster threat and he doesn’t do it, I must assume that Obama sides with the Republicans and their Blue dog cohorts and ordered him not to do it.
That means that Craig Becker and Dawn Johnsen have something in common. Obama nominated both of them in bad faith for the sole purpose of appearing to want liberal and progressive people in his administration when, in fact, he despises liberals and progressives and would never seriously consider having one serve in his administration.
Assuming Reid can force the Republicans and their Blue dog cohorts to put-up or shut-up and he didn’t, I can only conclude that he and Obama are devious and cowardly jerks who delight in torturing the hopes and expectations of progressive, honest, and dedicated men and women of principle.
See the nomination of Stickler, to be Assistant Secretary of Labor for Mine Safety. Senator Leahy knows that the blocking of “routine” nominations is precedented.
CRS RL31948: Evolution of the Senate’s Role in the Nomination and Confirmation Process
It’s obvious that the rethugs in the senate are far superior to the dems when it comes to getting – or blocking – the legistlation they want or don’t want.
Dems have the majority and what happens – The GOP obstructionists stop governance at every level with their 41 to 59 “majority”.
You asked what Harry Reid is doing while the rethugs were successfully blocking Becker’s nomination? That’s easy to answer…
He was staring into his hat full of rocks while rubbing his magic underwear trying to determine if he’s gonna win his upcoming re-election.
Word to any dems in the senate that have the balls to do it – Dump this chump Reid and get someone who will fight bare knuckled for the dem agenda.
This says that cloture petitions were filed on 36 executive branch nominations over 38 years from 1968-2006. Richard Shelby threatened twice that many cloture votes on nominations just the other DAY. The game has completely changed.
According to Senate records, there was a cloture vote (2 in fact) on NLRB nominee Don Zimmerman in 1980. He was an aide to then-senator Jacob Javits (R-NY), who was nominated by Pres. Carter and was eventually confirmed before the GOP tsunami of 1980. Likewise William Lubbers, whom Carter nominated to be NLRB General Counsel. He was filibustered, recess appointed, and eventually confirmed to a 4-year term, most of which was served during the first Reagan administration.
There is no more old school filibusters, but rather all filibusters are just paper filibusters – nobody has to say a word. Filibuster rules have changed, so it is hypocritical when politicians cite “Tradition” for not changing the filibuster.
The power to thwart majority rule by filibuster only makes sense if there’s a potential danger for using it. Otherwise, the Senate might as well change the rules to always require 60 votes to pass legislation.
Doesn’t all of this suggest that Reid is simply not willing to employ the bare-knuckle tactics necessary to get the job done?
I’d like to see Tom Harkin as leader, with Chick Schumer as the whip.
Democrats Reid and Obama – here we f******go again. I’m trying to remain calm..
Obama and Reid had the votes.
Obama and Reid stalled the voting.
Obama and Reid’s previously crappy leadership LOSES THE F****** SENATE MAJORITY.
7 ‘Democrats’ cry wheee, whee, whee and go running for cover.
Reid proceeds with cloture anyway, knowing the guy will go down in full view of the public.
Only 52 vote yes.
Becker fails. The first NLRB nominee ever to fail in recent memory.
The Employee Free Choice Act Fails goes down the drain.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/09/AR2010020902465.html
Obama, so concerned over losing the Republicans love, has not only refused to make any recess appointments -he stands aside to watch the Right abuse his appointees. How obscene this is all becoming.
Selise,
Have you read (former Frist aide) Martin Gold and Apple Gupta’s 2005 “constitutional option” article?
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Gold_Gupta_JLPP_article.pdf
Interesting stuff, particularly their discussion of the alternative to changing the rules at the beginning of a new Congress–
PART IV: THE CONSTITUTIONAL OPTION TO RENDER NEW RULES PRECEDENT
The Senate’s constitutional rulemaking power can be exercised a second way: A simple majority could set a new Senate precedent that would alter the operation of a Standing Rule while leaving its text untouched. This exercise of the constitutional power could be applied to alter the interpretation and application of any Standing Rule,including Rule XXII’s requirement of a super-majority for cloture. This second form of the constitutional option also might be used to facilitate a majority’s efforts to exercise the first form: Majoritarian precedents could smooth the path toward a majority’s enactment of formal rules changes. (Gold, Gupta, p. 260)
Setting a new Senate precedent can be done at any time (so there’s no need to wait till January 2011). Simply let the floor debate continue for a while (reconciliation bills’ 20 hour limit seems like a reasonable length), and then a Member makes a point of order to close the debate:
“Debate on this matter having proceeded for ‘x’ hours, I make the point of order that any further debate is dilatory and not in order.” Under Senate Rule XX, points of order not referred to the Senate are not debatable except at the sufferance of the Presiding Officer, although debate may generally be had on appeals. If the Presiding Officer sustained the point of order, he would set a new, binding Senate precedent allowing Senators to cut off debate. That, however, would not end the matter.The minority could (and likely would) appeal the Presiding Officer’s ruling. In a final step, the majority could move to table the appeal.The tabling motion would be non-debatable and subject to immediate vote. If a simple majority voted to table the appeal, the Senate would affirm the Presiding Officer’s ruling and thus allow Senators to cut off debate under the terms of the point of order.(Gold, Gupta, p. 261)
Fixed it a bit.
Others bring up a good point that the Rs might just do it anyway, perhaps using their own abuse of it (saying it was D’s) as an excuse.
Exactly. The Republicans are asking for it – and are giving the Dems a major opening, if they have the guts.
Adjourn the Senate. Recess appoint every goddamn nominee.
Good point. They must like the kabuki tool in their (tool) box.
hi beowulf. i haven’t read the last part because, at least for the moment, i’m interested in trying to understand the details of what can be done now in the senate without any change to rule or precedent.
also, i’m not a big fan (just the opposite) of limiting debate, especially via use of the nuclear option. imo there already is too little real debate on the senate floor as most of it occurs behind closed doors and bills end up getting passed before the public, or even the senators, know exactly what they are voting on. but that’s another issue. first, before looking too deeply into changes that might be made, i want to understand the rules as they now exist.
too little time or brain cells…. (i really want to get back to studying the economics, but filibuster talk is the current shiny object, so that is taking a back seat for the time being.)
But there no longer appears to be danger from filibustering–it’s threatened and the game’s over. I don’t think we should do away with it, but why can’t we do away with the rule that lets the Senate still consider other bills and continue business as usual? Why not go back to the traditional filibuster? Didn’t Senate business come to a halt traditionally while a filibuster went on?
Accept it folks: The Dems are bad at politics. Can you imagine what Rove would have done to a Lieberman in the Republican party? He wouldn’t just not have a chairmanship, he’d still be picking pieces of his chair out of his ass.
Similarly, 15 months ago the GOP was dead, and not just dead but quartered, burned and the ashes scattered in the wind. The mindless, incompetent assholes,- that would be Reid and Pelosi to you, somehow managed to allow it to be reincarnated in an even more virulent manifestation. Unbelievable.
[modnote: please not such violent imagery, thank you.]
BOY HOWDIE! You hit right on the nose bilejones…
B.i.n.g.o.
Just in case you meant that “filibuster rules have changed to prevent old school filibusters,” spanishinquisition, I want to clarify that such a statment would be false, as I’ve been pointing out. selise is working on a Seminal diary about this very subject, which should spread some light on things in a more definitive way.
[cboldt, I don't know where you stand on the issue, but it'd be great to have you participate in the effort to force the real filibuster back to life. Long time, no see; it's good to see you here.]
1. There is no rule “that lets the Senate still consider other bills and continue business as usual” during a real filibuster. There is an optional Rule 22 (the cloture rule) that lets a threatened filibuster, or mere objections, force supermajority passage of legislation, while usually letting other Senate business to continue, if the majority files a cloture motion and thereby refuses to force a real filibuster. And there’re “unanimous consent” agreements that can, and regularly do, temporarily override any Senate rule that all Senators agree to override. [The latter doubtless being the route taken when the Senate for a time implemented the practice, without changing any rules, of allowing for a "two-track" filibuster - regular business in the morning, a partially-real filibuster in the afternoon. That approach was sort of the half-way point between the real filibuster traditions of 1974 and before, and the present Majority Leader's practice, again without the changing of any rules, of filing cloture motions in response to mere objections and other non-filibuster obstruction from the minority.]
2. Why not, indeed? [I hope selise's diary will help to answer that question.]
3. Yes it did, and, yes, it would again, if a real filibuster is conducted.
When I think about Harry Reid’s relationship in general with, say, Russ Feingold, or with Chris Dodd during his FAA non-filibuster filibuster (Dodd exploited the painless delays of the cloture process), vs. Reid’s relationships with the Republican leadership while leading both the minority and the majority, it seems to me, Mason, that you’ve described Reid’s general outlook as Senate Democratic Leader here with unerring precision.
powwow, a quick update: 1) this afternoon i talked with a real person (someone at the capitol hill switchboard — that’s how they answered the phone anyway), and she did confirm to me that the senate parliamentarian’s office has been close all week and that they are still waiting to hear about tomorrow. 2) i emailed bmaz to ask if he might create a working thread for us (so we don’t have to interfere with other threads and it will be easier to know where to look for the latest). 3) yeah cboldt. i didn’t notice the comment (i have my rss feed set to pick up comments with my name in them as well as your’s and a few others. will add cboldt’s name and my welcome. great to see cboldt around again these parts).
i second mason’s comment. also, as an aside, here’s feingold recently:
and here:
Thank you for the update, selise.
I think that’s a great suggestion for a pre-diary “working thread,” if bmaz and emptywheel wouldn’t mind. Though of course its comment thread will close a few days after being posted, too.
I’m anticipating, if and when you can finally speak to someone in the Senate Parliamentarian’s office, a fair amount of back and forth being needed to clarify questions, understand answers, and devise clear follow-up questions, so that you/we get accurate answers to the right questions, which don’t leave unnecessary or confusing wiggle room, etc. [Now, of course, because of the three days or more the office has been closed, they'll probably all be rushing to catch up when they do get back in, possibly leaving little time for questions like yours...] If things do unfold that way, a working thread would be a great place for that back-and-forth. As well as for any draft sections you want to post to get feedback on before the diary.
So sometime tomorrow morning (if the offices do reopen), if not before, might be a good time to post such a thread – but the timing depends on where you’re at in the process and should obviously be up to you and bmaz.
Thanks for those comments @ 63 from Feingold about his favoring the “traditional” filibuster, full-on in the face of the conventional wisdom expressed by a constituent, no less (who, at least, did apparently know that Rule 22 is somehow involved). Bravo, Senator Feingold. Good for him. [That's a good illustration and example of why the "devious and cowardly" Senator Reid instinctively recoils from the principled positions of Senator Feingold...]
powwow, as soon as i see a reply from bmaz, i’ll leave you a comment here or in an EW thread. i would like to post draft portions, but i think it will be too long especially with edits, etc, to post in someone’s thread. and your idea about some back and forth with senate parliamentarian’s office sounds good. i’ll try calling again in the am.
Oh, please.
Have you ever taken a look at the Congressional Record? Have you ever sat in the Senate gallery when “business” was being conducted? [Watching the C-SPAN feed, where the camera is stationary on the person speaking, does not count.]
“Business” consists of
** naming post offices and other “federal buildings” in various states/Congressional districts;
** inserting speeches into the “record” [thankfully the speech doesn't actually have to be READ/given on the floor; the Congresscritter can request unanimous consent that the text of the speech be inserted in the record.] Then said speech is copied and mailed out to constituents in a “see what I’m doing” newsletter;
** making speeches about whatever “hometown hero” is the flavor of the month; see “insert in Congressional record” and “mail to constituents” above.
There’s actually very little that goes on on the floor of the Sentate — or the House.
Go check it out.
Oh, I forgot the “comments” that accompany “this flag flew over the Capitol” requests. There are a lot of those. ["In honor of Boy Scout Troop xxx, today we are flying . . . This fine troop of young men has [insert list of good deeds] . . . In recognition of their achievements, this flag will be presented to these fine scouts.”]
powwow, my request to bmaz is more complicated than i’d thought – bmaz has sent you an email.
Sorry for the delay in responding, selise.
With apologies to bmaz and you, at the moment I can’t quickly access (and may not be able to access at all) the email account I used to sign up with FDL, so I can’t read or reply to the email from bmaz.
In lieu of that, I’ll assume that there are complications that prevent a working thread, and that if and when you have more questions or concerns you’d like to air pre-diary, we should discuss them in EPU-land somewhere (just point me to a thread that you’d prefer, whose author is agreeable), whenever the Senate Parliamentarian’s office is open again.
[Is it just me, or is this turning into a marathon (nightmare?) project that you'd just as soon heave overboard about now... I'm certainly in your debt for all the pains you've taken to understand and to help verify and explain this issue to others.]
hi powwow, re the email: i thought that was probably the case. understood. re the complications: yes, there are. re eup-land: sounds good to me (this is probably a good thread for now). re senate parliamentarian’s office: i called this morning, no answer. will try again this afternoon. i really, really want to talk with one of them! re the marathon: no nightmare for me, other than frustration with the weather. i haven’t contributed anything yet (and i’m not as good as jane says about explaining things — i only wish), but i not giving up and still planning to post at least one diary after clarifying the process with the parliamentarian. re the debt: it goes all the other way. i’m very grateful to learn more and to read the info you have pointed out to me.
sorry about the above…. in haste and wanted to get it all in. hope i wasn’t too incomprehensible!
Thanks, selise. Gotcha.
Also, I just had another, probably better, idea:
How about if I write a ‘working thread’ Seminal diary for this purpose, instead of our working in EPU-land? The diary will likely scroll away out of sight fairly quickly, but you and I will know where it is.
If you’d prefer that route, let me know, and tell me about when you’d like to see such a diary posted.
Thanks again.
that’s a great idea powwow. i probably won’t be around tomorrow much until the afternoon — but i will call sp’s office first thing (called again this afternoon – still no answer). i expect to be around most of the weekend. do you think the sp’s office is going to be closed all next week? THAT would be frustrating!
I hope they’ll be open next week (starting Tuesday), but who knows… Maybe they all take off whenever the Senate takes off. You got me.
With luck, however, you’ll finally catch them tomorrow and get the answers you need. In the meantime, I will put up a ‘working thread’ Seminal diary by tomorrow morning, just in case you reach someone early. Then, if need be, you could have another go at them in the afternoon, after which we can assess the lay of the land. [Perhaps aided by some helpful feedback from commenters in the diary.]
Working Title: Senate Parliamentarian: Please pick up the citizen inquiry phone…
excellent! i love the title.
i’ll post a list of sources in a comment, for anyone wanting to grab one or two them to read – or to add to the list.
also draft bits for editing…..