I did get nervous last week that the no-brainer student loan bill, which would end the privatization of that industry, save over $80 billion dollars over ten years through direct student lending from the government instead of government-backed, government-subsidized private lending, and plow that money into Pell Grants to send kids to college, was facing a lobbyist assault and could be killed. However, the mistake the traditional media made in discussing this bill is a failure to provide the proper context. The student loan bill, with its pure focus on the budget, can be dealt with through reconciliation. The House has provided reconciliation instructions on the bill. There appear to be the minimum 50 votes required in the Senate for it to pass. In fact, there’s really only one reason it hasn’t passed yet.
The health care bill. Neil King at the Wall Street Journal finally provides the context.
For all the administration’s jousting at banks, however, the primary obstacle holding up the direct-lending bill isn’t Sallie Mae or high-priced lobbyists.
Instead, Democratic lawmakers are waiting to see if they will try to move some of their health-care measures as an attachment to an education bill, through a process known as reconciliation, which requires only 51 votes to pass.
“There is broad Democratic support for making needed changes to the student loan program so that we can invest in education and our economy,” said Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa, Democratic chairman of the Senate health committee. “The timing of action on it, however, continues to be linked to the legislative strategy around health reform.”
Just to explain this further, reconciliation is kind of a one-shot deal. There’s basically one reconciliation bill per budget. So if you may need that process for the health care bill, you cannot finish the student loan bill. They would have to go together. To the Democrats’ credit, they did not jump the gun on the student loan bill, even though it would be a real accomplishment they could tout, and with reconciliation seen as probably the only option to finish off the health care bill, they still have the ability to do that and end the privatization of student lending besides.
I appreciate Arne Duncan getting tough on Sallie Mae and the banks, but while lobbyists may be making some nervous about the bill, it’s really the consequent timing with the health care bill which is causing the delay. Now, the hope is that, if health care does go down in flames, that the student loan bill isn’t consumed in the process. We’ll have to wait and see on that.



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The biggest problem in this health debate is education. We the people of the united states have failed when it comes to civics and history. I myself, a republican, was all worried about mandates and unconstitutionality of the health care bill, and I was TOTALLY wrong. here is the proof,
http://bit.ly/constitnmandate
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What a mess. It’s our other national shame. We allow private corporations to profit from our health and our education systems. We’re well on our way to becoming a nation of poor, stupid, sick people.
Loans are bad no matter who’s doing the lending.
David, has anyone actually discussed how there really is no need for EVERYONE to go to college and university? I do feel badly for students facing the repaying of loans, but is it not time to admit that it isn’t really needed? Why does everyone feel the need to go to college or university? Why? Colleges and universities as a whole, offer very little “higher learning” than a typical high school. As a matter of fact, many are basically repeats of high school. I went back to college in my adult life, thinking the extra 25 grand debt would land me some kind of career advancements. It didn’t. Just made me poorer. Perhaps it’s time for the nation to say, college is great, if you can afford it. If not, what’s the big deal? A poor person that has to borrow money big time for more education, ends up a poor educated person when all is said and done. It’s just been one big money sucking franchise, brainwashed into our youth that one must continue with education.
It’s not a matter of “if you can afford it” it’s a matter of being able to benefit from it.
i’m betting that neither bill is passed via reconciliation
It seems to me that health care is part of the set: Clean water and sewage treatment, roads, tunnels, bridges, fire departments,police, EMT, public education,libraries, stadiums,concert halls, museums,art galleries, Land Grant Colleges,State Universities,Presidential Libraries, parks, playgrounds,And more. Health care fits very smoothly under common good, infrastructure and general welfare division. Private versions of all of the above coexist relatively harmoniously. Affordable Universal health care saves the most lives AND money in the long run. What’s not to love?
I have a question about Education loans and Grants. It is said according to the laws of supply and demand that loans and grants will cause the costs of Education to rise. I thought with more students, the facilities could be expanded to accommodate them while amortizing the investment over time and keeping costs relative stable. I’m guessing. Enlightenment?
That’s my point Raven. Is it beneficial to anyone, except the loan sharks and colleges and universities? The entire system now has it brainwashed into the masses that by Grade 9 in high school, you have to tell the entire world what college/university you are planning on going to, and what career you’ll have. Why? Why is there this need to make everyone go in debt to further their education, that does nothing to most people’s lives? Out of my oldest daughter’s grade 12 class, there are fewer than 10 (actually only 2 that I know of) that did not go to college/university. Very few of them are employed right now.
One of the great conundrums of adult literacy education is that people who have never benefited from education still have a visceral belief that it is good.
The fact that “very few are employed right now” may not be a rationale to abandon higher education.
We’re all different and so are our educational experiences. My 27 year old daughter earned a BS degree in Political Science and got a great job. She’s now working on her Masters. I’m just saying there are all kinds of different stories. My years in college were not wasted. I benefit even today, many years later, by having a bigger picture of the world. From understanding physical geography to interpersonal communication and sociology. That’s me. It may not, and apparently from your story and view, be the same for everyone. I value my education, and I think everyone should have the opportunity, even if it’s not the direction they choose to take.
I hope you understand what I’m saying.
I don’t think that a higher education is a waste, or that all do not benefit, but as a general rule, all you get out of further education is debt. If you are like me, you are always learning. Do you need to pay someone to stand in front of you? Do you need to pay, then pay for books to read, to learn? I’m just saying, we’ve became this nation of wasted education. Spending billions upon billions, to do what exactly? Learn? Not everyone is qualified for that top position in the corporate world. Hell, most there now, are not qualified. So what are we turning into? An educated nation of non workers? We have the most educated societies in the world right now, that has ever existed (if college/university student numbers qualify) and has it made even the slightest bit of difference on global policies?
I too value my education Demi. I just don’t understand today’s mentality that all people should go into debt to further advance what? What’s the average cost of a year of college/university in terms of debt? Is it necessary for everyone to do it? That is what the system says. Get enlightened, go further in debt and go further in school. Is it necessary? Who is benefiting besides banks, and college/universities in all honesty? Many people have college/university and are still morons. G. W Bush for example. Is it necessary to pay $60,000 to attend Awesome University, to sit and think when you can do it anywhere?
and has it made even the slightest bit of difference on global policies?
It’s an interesting question, but it would be almost impossible to answer.
I wish Dr. Dick were here. He could probably add some interesting incite.
The whole point of the student loan scam is to create one more lever to turn people into debt slaves of the politically connected. Three things to ponder:
1.Do you think they’d get away with the tuition hikes they do without them?
2.Are Student loans bankrupt-able?
3.Who was Obama’s biggest campaign contributor?
Well it certainly doesn’t seem like it has. Look at the world’s economic thinking. Or MidEast policies. Or trade policies. All look rather similar or the same as in decades past. So it shows very little changes. Socially, racism is still alive. Using the poor to further bank accounts. I think you get what I’m saying. All that education doesn’t seem to have done anything overall. Except now we kill with more sophisticated weaponry, and when we bankrupt your nation and overthrow your ruler, we do it big time! One would think further education would change all those things somehow, but they haven’t. Our “scholars” still have the same ideas of generations past. What are the solutions being offered right now for the global recession/depression? The exact same as decades ago, with people that are MORE educated leading the charge.
Yep. And, Jesus came to explain about love, but most people don’t get it.
I’m not happy with global policies or bank scams either, just so you understand. Many people come here and rant and criticize but that doesn’t mean that those commenters who don’t care less. All that ranting and judging doesn’t seem to have made a difference either.
I apologize if my rant didn’t make my point very well. Hint taken ;-)
:)
This about student loans & reconciliation I did not know. I figured it was some ConservaDems or something else holding it up. Good news to see it’s still alive.