The White House went into major pushback mode on President Obama’s comments about bonuses and banking CEOs Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon yesterday. They offered the full context of the remarks and said that his line about “I, like most of the American people, don’t begrudge people success or wealth” was something he’s said many times before. Of course, that’s pretty much what I said yesterday, when I supplied the full comments and noted that this is part of Obama’s “on the one hand, on the other hand” M.O. of how he answers questions. It doesn’t exactly help fix the problem, expressed by Paul Krugman, that it’s politically tone-deaf to say nice things about the banksters at this stage, and that calling the financial industry “the free-market system” at this stage neglects the historic level of support still being given to it by the federal government.
But all you want to know about how Obama orients himself, and what criticism he responds to, can be found in this follow-up report from the same interview:
President Barack Obama said he and his administration have pursued a “fundamentally business- friendly” agenda and are “fierce advocates” for the free market, rejecting corporate criticism of his policies.
“The irony is, is that on the left we are perceived as being in the pockets of big business; and then on the business side, we are perceived as being anti-business,” Obama said in a Feb. 9 interview in the Oval Office with Bloomberg BusinessWeek, which will appear on newsstands tomorrow.
“You would be hard-pressed to identify a piece of legislation that we have proposed out there that, net, is not good for businesses,” he added. He predicted that legislation he will sign this year would cut corporate taxes by about $70 billion.
So there’s the “on the one hand, on the other hand” law professor approach, saying that the left sees him as a tool for big business, and the right perceives him as anti-business. But what follows that? An unmistakable assertion that he’s pro-business and that everything he’s done has helped them immensely. Well, yes, that’s the point. He reacts to this pressure from the left and the right only in one direction – to clear up misconceptions from the RIGHT, not from the left. He’s clearly more sensitive to the anti-business charge and bends over backwards to reassure folks that he’s really, really good for corporate America.
That’s precisely what people criticized yesterday – this pervasive sense that Obama views corporate CEOs as part of the same class, colleagues to be defended. This is occurring even as their lobbyists are fighting every single proposal he’s made on financial regulation. Later in the interview, he acknowledges that while insisting that his policies will be good for business.
Obama attributed feelings that he’s unsympathetic to business in part to “a spillover effect” from public criticism he has leveled at large banks.
He also cited instances when he has clashed with specific industries such as insurance companies over his health-care plan, energy companies over climate change, and banks over a financial-regulatory overhaul. Still, he argued, in each case the proposal benefited American businesses as a whole.
“You have got some pretty significant, well-funded industry interest groups who are adamantly opposed, and they have got a lot of sway,” Obama said.
And they are, indeed, swaying the Administration. There’s no need to read between the lines on that.
This just totally misreads the public moods. Nobody wants to hear apologias for the rich and powerful at this stage. The one in eight Americans on food stamps are really not interested in whether or not Obama is good for big business. They want job security, opportunity, and a path to getting ahead. And they’re not seeing it, while their President compares the CEOs most responsible for this wreck to baseball stars.




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You said it DD.
OB is playing the old Rahm trope:
“Progressives? Where are they going to go?”
Problem is that this is about voting and turnout.
Take a look at MA and Scott Brown. He got the same vote total in 2010 as McCain got in 2008 = 1.1 million.
It was the 900k who voted for OB who stayed home on Coakley.
They weren’t feeling the luv.
Rather the banksters expect to pay for performance and loyalty. They are probably displeased when that appears not to be the case. Nothing displeases a fatcat like a meal that squirms.
So the “left,” who represent what — I think 20% of the country defines themselves as “liberals?” And “big business” — well, we assume he’s not talking about the guys who empty the trash bins for Goldman-Sachs, so these are the Captains of Industry who represent a very tiny part of the population. Let’s stretch it and say 1%.
That leaves 79% of the country unaccounted for, most of whom think that they’re in the pocket of the banks, too. You know, all those raging tea party folks the media is so obsessed with.
So he’s once again triangulating against “liberals” to minimize the criticism.
Hey, is 2010 going to be a great election year for Democrats or what?
the whole thing is so screwed. These bankster folks literally own our financial futures so what can a politician do but get on his knees. With an agreement amongst themselves and and a few clicks of the mouse they could easily and profitably dump the market to under 5k and wipe out countless pensions. They probably do it anyway regardless of what zero says.
CORPORATE HO’BAMA.
It couldn’t be clearer whose dick he licks. And whose dick he wishes to be perceived as licking. Since both are the same, there is no place left for his progressive defenders, is there?
One wonders how much more time has to be wasted as Obama “explains” why his foot appears to reside in his mouth, so much of the time.
Some people are beginning to wonder if Obama is totally or only partially “clueless” others are thinking “post-Obama”, still others are worrying “good grief! he’s handing us over to the demagogues, doesn’t he care?”
Still yet others are convinced that Obama’s heart is not in the “game”, as he is looking forward, wistfully but hopefully, to a cushy legacy-cla$$ retirement after his sole term as President. A Bill Clinton kind of “retirement”, with lots of Bush-family time and convivial vacations with those savvy Wall Street gurus …
DW
Obama on Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein: “I know these guys; they are very savvy businessmen.”
How tone deaf is Obama, anyway? Saying something like that after the taxpayers were forced to bail out the banksters and as a reward many are now out of jobs, benefits, etc.?
We are under attack.
The enemy is within.
what.
The corruption is absolute. They didn’t give a damn about the voters in 2008, they will never give a damn.
How much did the GOP pay Obama to jump in their closet?
Bit of a credibility problem, looks like.
I wouldn’t have a problem with what Obama said if it were true, just when Obama goes for corporate welfare and calls that free market, that is just so completely false.
My favorite attributed to Walt Kelly for a 1970 poster of Earth Day.
We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us
“The irony is, is that on the left we are perceived as being in the pockets of big business; Well duh…
and then on the business side, we are perceived as being anti-business,” Yeah, if you’re a drooling fucking idiot.
Jane’s comment at #3: Hey, is 2010 going to be a great election year for Democrats or what?
And on the day after the election, what will the Rahmanians be saying? I don’t even wanna think about it…
As recently as 1959 the top tax rate was 91% on all income over $400,000.
Remember the good old days.
This one.
Perhaps the president and John Mayer have a contest to see who can give the most damaging interview.
Well it does nobody any good to continue to believe in this unabashed corporatist who is the epitome of the ineffectual apologist. He is rightly destined to be detested by all sides precisely because he presents himself as all things to all people.
The left should make a clean cut with Obama. Just look at the monumental waste of time his first year in office has been with nothing to show but a corrupt deal with drug makers to continue their price gouging. He deserves to be unseated because we judge people on their performance.
You might point to the uptick in the economy but there also his actions have been anemic and the immediate beneficiaries are businesses not the unemployed. Furthermore the increase in GDP seems to be a result of increased productivity and on a temporary liquidation of excess inventories, but not a real increase in jobs.
The truth is that the left has to gain a voice and not be displaced by a gaggle of tea partiers whose main messenger for the moment seems to be Sarah Palin, a cretin that glorifies in being a non-elitist.
I think the President is right in that Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein are “savvy businessmen.” They are sure savvy enough to know how to legally rob the American taxpayers; can’t think of anyone who could have done it better! Aparently that’s part of the business curriculum at Harvard.
I’m so curious: What part of “clueless” is too complex for ObamaRahma to understand?
Fuck you Barack, any asshole who uses the term “Free market” might as well be discussing the economy of Narnia for all the reality they are bringing to the conversation!
I give credit where credit is due. Obama is a master at using lawyer style and rhetoric to continually offer a “blank slate” to the gullible. As David so ably showed in the above text, he often presents the side of the argument he does not intend to defend first so that he can deal with the side he will address. He defends the banksters like Blankfein whom he has private meetings with and leaves the dissatisfied lefties to stew in their own juices. He is every bit as good as Clinton was at this job. Too bad the results have been less spectacular. Much as Clinton made DADT a campaign promise that we still haven’t gotten eliminated, Obama made it clear by his voting and actions while running for office that he sees supporting TBTF as critical to the economy.
And Obama’s desire to be a good one-termer, at least! I wonder when he thinks he might want to get started on that?
“Sarah Palin, a cretin that glorifies in being a non-elitist.”
She is starting to become the only rationale I have left for having supported him.
I don’t care how much “context” the white house dumps on this. The interview segment clearly indicates where Obama–himself, not his administration–is on this. Absolutely tone deaf, clueless.
Quite a marriage has been consumated, anntink, between Harvard Business and Harvard Law …
What will out?
Will we wish to claim it as our own, this aborning child of … privilege and unfettered greed?
The interesting thing about Palin…and watch it happen, cuz it’s happening…..is that her looks are actually beginning to fade a bit and she’s beginning to sound, oh, shall we say, strident! I kinda think her days are numbered.
So how’s it feel to be heading toward Third World status?
I like that moniker for this asshole, Ho’Bama fits perfectly. Let him bend over and go to bed with these corporate fucks but let’s not abide anymore pretense out of this whore.
Back when that commie Eisenhower was President, there were strong unions, a growing middle class and the recently deceased McCarthy had been too busy hunting for fifth columnists to try to change the tax codes.
Obama is willing to meet average Americans halfway, it isn’t his fault if we don’t hold up our end of the bargain by becoming bank executives.
Obama obviously doesn’t give a flying fart about the bottom anymore. He’s made it clear he’s made it to the top and intends to stay their one way or another. If that means losing the next election so be it , just as long as his pals in BIG BIZ know that he’s with them and will expect to be taken care of after he takes the fall for them. They of course won’t see it that way. In any event he’s made it and no longer has any desire to really help all the rest of us out.
I’m guessing that plenty of corporate supporters of Obama understand that as well.
He is glib, and thinks he’s clever, our President, but at heart he is a fabulist, and nothing more …
The people are not well served by such as he, temptingfate, unless one refers to the Twilight Zone “cookbook” entitled, “To Serve Mankind” …
So true, dear ratfood, so true.
The fault lies in our stars …
I got his fuckin’ stars.
They’re magically delicious…
Problem is that Obama firmly believes that he’ll win over Wall Street and get their huge campaign contributions with his pro business rhetoric. Wall Street completely believes in laissez faire; they want to repeal, not only the Great Society, but the New Deal as well. As soon as they see an opening, which is occurring now, their big money overwhelmingly flows to the Repubs, who are unabasedly laissez faire & antigovernment. Look no farther then the Brown senate victory in Mass. With Wall Street seeing a horse race the last 2-3 weeks of the campaign, they quickly came up with $500,000 for Brown (probably the deciding difference).
Amen to that!
In modern parlance, “free market” has come to mean, “We’ve got it rigged now just the way the big boys want it to be rigged, and we’re gonna keep it that way.”
It’s just more deliberate mindfuckery. A nice-sounding phrase used continually to describe something that is totally corrupt and ugly.
And I say that as someone whose occupations is trading the “free markets” as an outsider, so my databanks are full of the real evidence.
The U.S., comprising 5% of world population, has long consumed 25% of its resources. Those days are coming to an inevitable end. Humanity has been running a resource sustainability deficit since roughly 1986, and humans currently consume ~130% of capacity, a figure estimate to grow to 200% by 2050 or sooner. It simply cannot — will not — continue.
In the decade just ended, more than 40% of U.S. corporate profits came from the “financial services” sector, and at least 2/3 of those stemmed from the bullshit paper flipping that added nothing of real long-term value to the economy (I saw it personally, having worked in subprime “risk management” from 2000 to 2005).
We have the deepest of deep shit, yet remain intractably in deep economic denial. Some people are perfectly fine with that reality, sadly.
Feel free to make it your own. Don’t forget to include the “Corporate” prefix–some people need the context.
And de-lite-ful too.
Seen this vid about black holes? Seein’s how I think that if most pols were any denser they’d be singularities I thought it appropriate.
Next up, a simulated intellectual black hole. Ready pens for writing on palms…
Jeff Cohen brought these issues up in his recent TRNN interview with Paul Jay. He mentions the Democratic Party’s the “fake Left, go Right” schtick, and Obama’s self-identification as a Wall Street Democrat.
Obama was getting the Wall Street money before he was a front-runner. That speaks volumes.
The pols believe in a pulsating universe, with rapturous mini-bangs and what’s the anti-matter on the quantum security of greed and hubris, anyhoo?
Just ‘cuz you ain’t no banker, SD (neither is I), if’n we cain’t depend on our stars, like our one and only president, then by jumpin’ jazzy jezabels what, in all tarnation, can we dependalate on?
Geezee wheezee.
:~DW
Very interesting. Thanks for that.
I’m sorry but I am going to have to go with the President on this one, again like yesterday’s hysteria over nothing. He was making a valid point about corporate tax cuts to a business magazine. He was speaking to a business audience and as much as I would like to see the corporations scaled back, he has to foster confidence in a shaky economy. His every word is parsed by investors and activists alike; people hear what they want to hear. He said as much in the article. Why shouldn’t he push back against that? Why would he take an anti-business stance in a business magazine? Maybe he thought the Left will look at the whole article and realize it’s a more nuanced conversation?
He was right about the sway that’s why he’s eliminating the influence of lobbyists on Advisory Panels. The real sway is in Congress, they make the laws, and they take corporate money too. He outlines bills and they come back watered down or rejected outright. Dems aren’t in lock step and the President can’t control them or their individual interests especially in an election year. Just like Student Loan Reform (the President’s idea) there is so much push back from lobbyist Dems have decided to use reconciliation to pass it but can’t do it right away because if health reform doesn’t get passed they have to use it and you can only use it once a budget year. He’s going to have to use this strategy for a number of things before this session of congress is done. He’s been burning both ends of the candle and trying to balance regulation with economic recovery. A precarious balancing act for sure, I don’t envy his job.
I hear you; me too. I had low expectations for Obama, but after the RNC trotted out Palin, I just had to vote for BHO. If nothing else, I couldn’t stand to hear her nails-on-chalkboard screeching grifter stupidity for 4 years (at least now, I can mostly avoid her at all costs).
It’s clear that, wherever BHO “stood” before the election, he no longer has the slightest whit of integrity, nor does he give a fack about the voters/citizens… not one iota does he care, nor does he lose a nanosecond of sleep over it, and he’s quite the happy guy when he peers into the mirror every morning.
When he farts out drivel about how the banksters are just so earning their bazillions & are so incredibly deserving of it AND MORE, I just tune out. That’s where it’s at. Why bother to even “walk it back” at this point? That’s just insulting and adds salt to the wounds.
I would have some tiny smidgeon of respect for HObamarahma if he just walked out to his telepromtr and said: EFF you voters: I got mine! You can just shine it on, because I work for Daddy Warbuck$ (good name then, totally accurate name now) exclusively. Suck on it and stick it where the sun don’t shine. And like a good law professor, let me repeat: EFF you, voters, I got mine!!!
“That speaks volumes.”
? (knowbuddhau)
Speaks, hell there isn’t even any whispering going on, let alone any “volume”.
T’aint no shouts of outrage, just pissin’ and moanin’ and a whole lot of crickets …
Anybody gonna DO anything?
Well, Jane is and we are.
Just gotta do more.
We’d best be thinkin’ post-Obama …
The man does not seem to be reachable.
Or teachable …
That “density” SD is on about.
DW
Yes we can!!!
Obama appreciates your concern.
I see absolutely no difference between Obama and Harold Ford Jr…we could have a contest and put quotes up by both and see if we can tell which one said what.
Not a dimes worth of difference between them
Seriously? I don’t know about you but I received a big tax break this year on top of being able to save my home and $600 off my mortgage. All thanks to BHO. The stimulus was the largest tax cut in history for the lower and middle class people and my sister didn’t have to get laid-off at her job as a teacher because BHO. My state has mad much needed and overdue education reforms because of BHO’s Race to the Top initiative.
I’m concerned about the banks but it’s one issue out of hundreds. I don’t doubt the banks will be tamed, there is already a global bank tax proposal on the table to discourage risks (fair for all), a domestic reform bill in the works. These things take time–d*mn every one’s cup is half empty. Depressing.
Jane, you did a post several months ago about defeating triangulation. That issue seems even more relevant now, so I humbly request an update to that post. Please?
Lookie here. See Prof. Gruber on the list of Hamilton Project experts.
Ooops. Forgot link.
Concern? I’m giving an alternate observation based in rationality topped with optimisim and sprinkeld with peace. Peace.
Obama looks like he WANTS to be a one-term president. I can’t conceive of him being re-elected under anything like the present conditions.
So who would be a viable primary challenger? Hillary(groan)? Howard Dean again(my favorite)? How about Jerry Brown if he wins the CA gubernatorial race? Any other ideas?
Here’s a request addressed to Jane H. – why not a Primary Obama contest similar to the one currently being run for congressional candidates? Something like that, where a potential primary challenger is raising money and support in a very visible manner would convince the ObamaBots they are flushing themselves down the toilet.
You appear to be making the basic error of bringing pacifism to a gunfight.
“Gentlemen cry, Peace, Peace, but there is no peace . . .” Can you fill in the rest?
Thanks for the link.
Quite the elite economic crowd there.
That’s why he’s Barack Hoover Obama.
Yesterday on “The Ed Show,” Rep. Alan Grayson succinctly explained the difference between baseball star players and Wall Street billionaires. “Baseball players entertain us, and bankers steal from us.”
I like Kucinich, topcat, but “serious” people regard him as being “too short” to be genuine presidential timber …
But, like Mother Jones said, “If voting could change anything, if voting could make a difference, then it would be illegal …”
I think we need a revolution … in thinking and understanding.
And then, we need the courage to dare to act.
Whether ANY politicians would join us … for that is what it would be, joining with us … is what … unlikely, impossible … or remotely, very remotely, possible.
Who, within the political cla$$e$, would dare to join us?
Who?
DW
Grayson is not going to be invited to the Congressional – Wall Street lobbyist picnic if this keeps up.
I’m sure he’ll be cryin’ in his tea.
It must be nice to be that optimistic at this point, one year into BHO’s term.
Stimulus was large, but was far from what most economists were saying was necessary. BHO decided 900B was his number, regardless of the state of the economy or the expert input. We’ve got 10% top line and 17% expanded view unemployment and underemployment on top of that.
You say that BHO lays out his proposals and then the Congress screws them up because they are beholden to lobbyists. How do the early meetings with Pharma and AHIP and resulting deals enter your calculus? There were specifics for the lobbyists from Obama, but the rest of the country was left wondering just what Obama’s Health Care plan was. And they still are…witness Franken’s rant at Axelrod at the last caucus meeting.
I don’t think you’ve been paying attention to his preferred method of interaction with Congress. He doesn’t make specific proposals at all.
And DDay is spot on with this post. BHO says we must be right we’re being attacked by both sides. What’s ironic is this passage:
Notice that he can’t bring himself to say that the left is correct about anything, even about him being in-the-pocket of big-business, though that’s exactly what his response implies.
yw, eCAHN, glad you liked it.
600 off! My god man… I would be living under a bridge if my mortgage payment totaled 600.
Cry me a river.
“Wall Street completely believes in laissez faire”
Actually that’s not true to our detriment. Wall Street completely believes in private profits and public debts where Wall Street gets to reap the benefits of corporate welfare. If these guys wouldn’t have run to Uncle Sam so that they’d get 100% on their credit default swaps and other such bailouts, then by all means it would be between the shareholders and the execs what they get paid, but that isn’t what happened.
How does being against corporate welfare make one anti-business?
If no one is saying anything about it, how did I hear it in the first place?
If I may suggest, my stylistically cavalier friend, you might do well to take a look at your uses of hyperbole, as in “no one is saying/doing anything” about whatever. They can box one in to a cell of one’s own making.
If no one’s doing anything, what are we doing right here, right now? Are thought, speech, and writing somehow not actions themselves?
If no one is doing anything about everything that ails us, then, with apologies to Homer, you can call me NO1. We all are NO1, as in, we need NO1 to assert our authority as self-sovereign citizens over our public servants, we need NO1 to speak up for regular people, etc.
Also: Kucinich 2012! Glad to see another supporter.
You are most-wonderfully-lucky, slaw, living, as you most obviously do, in the state of Bliss. We are all happy for you.
People in other states aren’t doing quite so swell.
Must be their attitude or something?
Still, they could use your help.
Have you any spare change?
Even a little change would be good, these days.
(Maybe you got “it” all, not just yours but everyone’s, mistakes happen, you know. I just hope you don’t have to give it back.)
DW
My impression of Harold Ford was that he was the original golden boy but failed his interview to become President, so Obama got the job as first alternate.
Ah, knowbuddhau, you and I know, and those here-about, but most of our fellow citizens (not consumers) have not yet heard the word.
They do not understand the quid pro quo of taking the money from Wall Street and then calling them your buds.
They think Obama has betrayed them, but he never promised the people anything, he just said a bunch of pretty-sounding words ..
Yes, we are here, talking.
But, I suggest that a lot more doing, even of a costly and dangerous kind, lies before us.
That is the understanding we, who know, must face.
“If you’ve been to jail for justice, then you’re a friend of mine.”
THAT is where we’re bound.
Are you game?
Talk is talk. It is cheap at the price. But mere words at the dock …
Real action has consequence.
And weight.
For the rest of our lives.
DW
P.S> Didya read my whole comment or just the part that ticked ya off?
Did you ever think that we may have the wrong picture of Barak Obama?
If he were a Republican, he’d be marginalized. Therefore he became a Democrat in name only. (DINO)
What we have is an actor who via his proposals is a neo liberal, but truly is a Patritian wanna be who is at his core a Republican, or at least a Blue Dog?
In his career he was always dealing with people of money and power to further is community organizer credentials, but graduated from the Ivy’s with a soul of a Patritian, allowing him to mingle in the corridors of power freely?
read Walter Karp. This movement is described in detail in his books.
Love Kucinich but Elizabeth Warren is a more viable candidate. (Taller than Kucinich, for one thing. – LOL) But really:
She an outsider with no baggage, a great way of plain speaking that would be perceived as the polar opposite of Obama’s empty rhetoric, she’s got iron-clad integrity, and would energize millions of women the same way Hillary did. (The quest for the first woman Prez.) Also, she’s not threatening to men, can portray strength and honesty with appearing bitchy or shrill.
Okay, so Obama was a waste of a vote. Let’s move on. Who can we support, and how do we write them in correctly so the message gets sent clearly? I’m fine with Kucinich. Open to other ideas.
But we need the proper write-in instructions and the correct identifying info for the candidates. Let’s start now.
I love the groupthink! It really lends itself to solutions and alternatives…kinda like the media in the run up to the Iraq War.
Herbert Hoover would be proud of the President!
“Group think’?
You must be new hereabouts, pardner.
Consensus here, is akin to herding cats.
If we arrive at the same conclusion, then ’tis by various routes, and then we argue ’bout it some more, anyhow.
You’re gonna fit right in.
;~D
You can write in whomever you want. There are real structural problems in our Congress and our electorate. Even if JFK rose from the dead HE wouldn’t be able to break a filibuster and give you single payer. The closest was LBJ and no one gives him much credit because he bunked up the war in Vietnam. And the Great Society’s success is still debatable. Even Obama passed him in winning congressional votes on issues he took a position on. Bottom line, Obama is not perfect but he’s pretty good and he has brought liberalism back to some key domestic issues: EPA, R&D, Fair Pay, more progressive taxes in the 2011 budget, credit card reform, and hopefully health care. Big picture.
I must live in a universe quite different from the one you occupy, slaw.
Else the space/time continuum is all wacky …
Like I say, you’re gonna fit right in.
A bit of advice if I might?
Even if you think so, do not tell everyone here that you know all the answers and the rest of us, all, are just stupid.
That doesn’t float too well, here at the lake.
DW
I would have guessed that by the canned Democrat cheerleading.
Really groupthink based upon not being synchronized with the larger majority is an old and tired premise. Assuming everyone else’s disagreement is simply predicated on them failing to understand the Big Picture is all well and good but probably won’t reach the hearts and minds of people who don’t find platitudes persuasive. If that were the case then we could simply listen to Obama speak and order our perspective around that. He is very good at that. That of course would lead to a different groupthink.
DWBartoo referenced herding cats. I tend to think that might be a bit too homogeneous. Cats, dogs, squirrels and the odd sparrow might be a bit more on target.
I appreciate your advice but let me give you some…chill out or come back with some beef. Counter my arguments…challenge me or something because it seems like people are rehashing the same lame crap. What’s your idea of Liberalism as it relates to corporations? Let’s discuss.
My cheerleading is based on all thing tangible like more money in my pocket, help for my family etc. I am not giving Obama a pass but I am certainly not going to abandon him over an excerpt of interview he gave to a business magazine, before the whole article has been released.
On this site, pacifists represent the groupthink brigade. I prefer present day results to hobnobbing with Ghandi in Nirvana.
You appear to be a newcomer here, so you are entitled to some slack. Many come here for various good reasons, and I will assume your good intentions.
But based on what info you have shared here, your political perspective seems to be shaped by, “I got mine, Jack.” A mature political perspective ought to have some overeaching adherence to principle, IMHO.
I got nothing from Obama, or any other govt action in my life, but I am heavily involved in both the law and the markets, and his positions have done great damage to both. The principles that the wicked must get punished, and that the foolish must be allowed to fail, carry much more weight with me than what happens within the boundaries of my home.
Bigger picture, I see corporate oligarchy as the greatest threat to democracy and humanity, two other things I care a great deal about, and Obama has done nothing but convince careful viewers that he is on the wrong side of that front.
Manny here share my opinion that the system is not only broken, but has been irreparably rigged against real people. In that view, playing within the system by the conventional paradigms is not only useless, but actually counter-productive. And that system relies on people to remain passive.
My, my, my, aren’t you a good sport?
Oh, I read the whole comment. How could I miss it, the way you hit the “enter” key after every sentence?
Am I game? Am I game? What game ya got?
As for your preference for your perception of reality, I say, good idea, my mythologically cavalier friend, since Gandhi was Hindu, after all, and nirvana is a Buddhist term for being aware that there is no “thing” to fear, and no “one” to fear it; “path” there is, but no “one” walking it; “talk” there is, but no “one” talking it; “sound and fury” there is. but no “one” making or hearing it. You know, that samsara/nirvana, heaven/hell, are right here and now.
Are you aware that your construct, “present day reality,” also springs from a mythology?
Are you ready for the Zen Inquisition?
Please define the term, “you,” as used in your comments. When you say you prefer present day reality, who is it that prefers, and what is it that is preferred? Who or what do you think you are? Are you suggesting that you live in reality, and your interlocutors don’t? What access do you have, to this superior knowledge, apart from, as Nietzsche said, your “human, all too human” mind? What does that suggest about Kant’s thesis, of the sensibilities of human awareness being preconditioned by our sensory and rhetorical apparatuses?
And please phrase your answer in terms of your awareness before you started thinking in words.
Re: your comment at 71: It’s funny, that you would pick a fight with someone who agrees with you. In this comment, you retort against a simple assertion, then go on to refute yourself. WUWT, DW? Are you here to say that only your saying says anything?
Also: Kucinich 2012!
LOL. Nobody expects the Zen Inquisition!! I sure hope what you said has some meaning to you. To me, it just makes you seem disoriented, as does your conflation of the comments of myself and DW. If a poseur falls into his/her navel while contemplating it in the middle of a forest, does it make any sound?
BTW, you might want to try Googling “nirvana Ghandi buddhism,” you might be quite “enlightened” by what you find.
Close enough for government work, say I, who never bathed in the Ganges.
It’s the smoking gun.
The Dean of UCLA also belongs to the Hamilton project. UCLA has just gone at least semi-private and increased it’s tuition by 1/3.
Austan Goolsbee of the Economic Recovery Advisory Board is another person Obama sought out before the election, they agree ideologically, that government solutions should be market based.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/business/18leonhardt.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1177382148-3uuda8O5qD93YBj9omLRqw
Austan Goolsbee was also responsible for creating the Canadian dust up over Nafta during the election.
http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2008/03/03/nafta_obama_and_goolsbee_2/index.html
In August of 2006 Obama Spoke in Nairobi Kenya where he told Kenyans that they need less and better government, and to stop complaining about the injustices of the colonial past and to accept responsibility. “It’s more than just history and outside influence that explain why Kenya is lagging behind”.
He doesn’t identify with understand the problems the economically challenged have or even recognize the problems created by social injustice. Can you imagine telling Africans to suck it up accept responsibility? This is the height of callousness and ignorance. These people don’t have well to do Grandparents like he did, let alone bootstraps. He has no problem with the system: progressivism is anti-thetical to his ideology.
Obama is as dangerous as any republican, both of their solutions lead to the same result, they only disagree on the path. Obama doesn’t have a problem with the C street anti-abortion anti-gay religious nuts either, ignoring the fact that attending their functions gives them credibility.
I thought at least if we could get rid of his rubber stamp congress he could sit there as a lame duck for the 2nd term but now I think we have to get him out. He’s usurped the Senate and the DOJ and he’s too dangerous to leave there.