Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand described tonight the Congressional strategy to end the military discharges of gay and lesbian service members under the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy, saying that a repeal or an 18-month moratorium would move inside the defense authorization bill later in the year.
Gillibrand spoke on a conference call for supporters of the progressive advocacy group the Courage Campaign, joined on the call by Lt. Dan Choi, who has become a leading advocate for repealing the policy after coming out as a gay soldier on The Rachel Maddow Show last year.
Gillibrand, who has stepped into the lead on repealing the policy, said that she spoke today with Carl Levin (D-MI), the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. He maintained that the most effective way to advance this forward is to put an 18-month moratorium into the defense authorization bill, where it would take 60 votes to remove it, and where it would be more safely attached to a must-pass measure funding the Pentagon. The reason that this could take the form of an 18-month moratorium on discharges, as opposed to repeal, is because that would accommodate the Pentagon’s proposed one-year study of the impact of eliminating the policy, and some Senators may be more willing to vote for a moratorium to respect that process rather than a repeal. This would allow for that implementation lag, while ending the policy of discharging gay and lesbian service members.
The other option would be a bill Gillibrand has proposed to cut off funding for implementation of the DADT policy (it costs roughly $20-$30 million a year in prosecution and retraining). That cannot go through Armed Services because they don’t have jurisdiction, so Gillibrand is looking for a separate legislative vehicle for that. “I don’t want to see one more man or woman kicked out,” the Senator from New York said. “Whether it’s a moratorium, cutting funding, or full repeal, whatever can go the quickest and get the most votes is what I want to do.”
Gillibrand expressed confidence that she would ultimately have the votes for whatever final strategy, saying that Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mike Mullen’s powerful testimony “left no room for any Democrat to vote for anything less” than getting rid of the policy. “I can go back to Senators and say, ‘What’s your excuse now,’” Gillibrand said, adding that she was completely surprised by Mullen’s testimony. She thought that a few Republicans would be in play to vote for repeal or a moratorium, citing Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine as well as “one or two” others. As for the Democrats, “Nobody has said to me they’re against repeal. Some have said they’re undecided. But that’s means all of them are open to the record we are building” on the need to end the policy.
Responding to a question from FDL News about a Politico article citing nervous Democrats worried about the lack of a detailed strategy for repeal from the White House, Gillibrand dismissed the notion that it was the President’s responsibility to do that. “I think Congress needs to take the lead,” she said, saying that while the President could do a stop-loss order to stop the discharges, ultimately Congress had to end the policy. And she said that she’s attacking the problem on multiple fronts to find the best one available for passage.
Choi supported Gillibrand’s efforts, saying that she is treating the problem like a commander would by focusing on stopping the bleeding. Choi did not want to see a compromise where the implementation is simply made kinder and gentler, as Defense Secretary Robert Gates proposed by ending investigations of third-party outings. “I don’t accept that compromise… Implementing the policy better is not a substitute. We don’t want to lie anymore,” said Choi. He told supporters on the call not to let their political leaders get away with a compromise.
Choi responded to a question about his military status, after having returned to his National Guard unit for training over the weekend. He said that his discharge case is still pending in the Pentagon. “They’re being very closeted about my case. I wish they’d come out one way or the other,” Choi joked. In the meantime, though the discharge still looms, he reported for duty over the weekend because his unit is getting ready to deploy to Afghanistan, and they need every able-bodied soldier, and he was keeping his promise to the military. He corrected some news reports by saying that he is actively serving in the National Guard, not on active duty. And he planned to continue to speak out about the wrongness of the DADT policy. “I’m not being silenced,” Choi said.
Gillibrand, incidentally, did not stop at repealing DADT. “After this, we have to go after DOMA, and then get a fully-inclusive ENDA law,” she said. The junior Senator from New York is increasingly becoming the national political leader on gay rights.
UPDATE: The Washington Post poll showing that 75% of Americans support allowing openly gay people to serve in the military should boost Gillibrand’s efforts.



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I am slowly beginning to wonder why we should ever challenge her with a Progressive or Lib for that seat. Seems she’s already where she needs to be.
Booyah!
I’m pleased with her for realizing that, rather than tack to the right as Bloomberg apparently wants her to do by bankrolling the execrable Harold Ford as a primary challenger, she understands that if anything, she needs to be more progressive and define herself as a real New York Democrat as opposed to the carpetbagger who Bloomie’s parachuted into the state.
I have no idea why Gillibrand has decided to change over from an Albany machine Democrat to a bit of a firebrand but I’m definitely happy to see it. All the more so since this seat is the target of Harold Ford the Tennessee carpetbagger.
Why is a less-than-freshman in charge of this?
Good for Gillibrand.
A minor point, David, in your sixth paragraph you need some words between, “… Gillibrand dismissed” and “that it was the President’s responsibility to do that.”
Simply for clarity’s sake.
as in “dismissed” … “the idea” … or … “the notion” …
DW
The policy isn’t “Don’t Ask, Lie”.
Slightly OT – MSNBC discussing WaPoo article that Holder’s open to considering military commission? Jeebus. Standing on principle? Not much. Caving? It’s how Obamaland rolls.
Hahahaha……only in the US, is it considered taboo to allow gays and lesbians the same rights to kill and maim, as everyone else!
You would prefer Lieberman? Because he’s the alternative.
I think Levin’s in charge of figuring out what policy gets tucked into what legislative vehicle, actually. But Gillibrand is whipping her colleagues and I don’t see a problem with that.
Because it’s one of her signature issues. And she has a wee bit more seniority than, say, Scott Brown.
Exactly. She’s serving notice that she’s not in the least afraid of Bloomie, his money, and the gold-plated stooges he sends to do battle with her. I was a bit dubious about her early on, but she really seems to have grown in office, much as Teddy Kennedy did.
Factually incorrect.
Countries that disallow homosexuals from serving in the military
• Cuba
• China
• Egypt
• Greece
• Iran
• Jamaica
• North Korea
• Pakistan
• Russia
• Saudi Arabia
• Serbia
• Singapore
• South Korea
• Syria
• Turkey
• Venezuela
• Yemen
• United States – Don’t ask, don’t tell
Why is Lieberman the alternative? I’m asking out of ignorance. I don’t know why senators get assigned to various roles.
What has she done to make it a signature issue?
I stand corrected. I’m sure there is a big demand in Jamaica!
But I’m sure gays and lesbians in Canada are just thrilled that they too can be killed in Afghanistan. Canada doesn’t discrminate when it comes to cannon fodder.
Nice “bedfellows” for the U.S.
Harold, it’s not your time yet. Go take a hike in the Great Smokey Mountains. Kirsten is my Senator and she now gets it.
The only negative with Kirsten is she is corporatist Democrat, but so is Harold. Soooooo no real difference other than the superficial race, gender majority preference. I can’t help it! but I prefer a pretty white woman!
I’m not assigning anyone, it’s been reported that Lieberman was going to be the point person on repeal. Gillibrand is pretty much making this her signature issue, she’s not on the Armed Services Committee, she just decided she was going to fight for it. And it mainly came out of a meeting with Dan Choi, who’s a constituent. Is that something to disparage?
I’m just asking. And you have answered. Thanks.
Nonetheless, canadianbeaver, we remain part of a most singularly “forward looking” group, so we can still be proud, and even, should we wish it, a wee bit arrogant, as we also happen to be … Gawd’s chosen people.
We must be continuing doing something “right”, even with the Democrats in power …
But times? … they are a-changin’ …
Whatja make a that? (;~p)
DW
“They’re takin’ over, I tell ya! Next thing ya know, there’ll be officers fluent in Arabic translating potentially actionable intelligence..”
Wait. Huh?
Agreed. Lived in NYC for 10 years and she’s definitely prettier than the slimy politicians I’ve had to shake hands with on streetcorners during campaign seasons. (My hand still doesn’t feel clean). You read that she took funds from Sallie Mae, right? I don’t trust her, but who’s the alternative?
David Dayen has another thread up: The Too-Small Jobs Bill
simply cutting funding would likely be a strategic error
http://gay.americablog.com/2010/02/lift-ban-groups-criticize-latest.html
Ford is and that’s nothing to look forward to. And would someone tell me why he is Bloombergs’ choice and why is Bloomie sticking his nose is a Dem race anyway? Geez, I don’t like that man.
Yep, that was rhetorical. (Need emoticon or acronym to express rhetorical question.)
I don’t trust her either. How can we trust Corporatist Dems or Corporatist Republicans? They both suck.
No choices, Wall Street annoints and promotes their whores and we have been living in a false Right VS. Left paradigm. Wall Street will only promote Corporatist Dems or Corporatist Republicans.
Progressive Dems, Libertarian Republicans and Independence and the others do not own the money machine, so we do not have the power. But we have woken up as to who the enemy is and things will change for the better.
I’ve been alive long enough to see alot of crap from politicians. Maybe why I’m such a cynic. I do know one thing. Not just this subject, but the entire system as a whole, is going to see one giant drastic change very shortly when the masses finally wake up. This isn’t “conspiracy” or anything like that, but if I was an elected politician, in the back of my mind, I would be scared sh*tless right now. Things HAVE to change, and if the two political parties don’t do it, then eventually they’ll be forced to. This entire fake system of wealth/jobs/living is done. Finished.
Coalition of the Willing? ;-)
“responding to a question from FDL News about a Politico article citing nervous Democrats worried about the lack of a detailed strategy for repeal from the White House, Gillibrand dismissed the notion that it was the President’s responsibility to do that. ‘I think Congress needs to take the lead,’”
The ever-shrinking Obama Presidency – he’s just around to give speeches and be a scrivener. Obama only campaigned on it, so it’s not like Obama can be expected to do anything substantive. Obama is always leaving it to Congress to deliver or not deliver on what he campaigned on.
Agreed and well said!
DW
But that’s the only thing Obama is good at: making speeches. I’m OK with this, just as long as we’re being honest about it. His speeches should be rallying Congress to act, just as they’re making citizens sit up and pay attention.
Maybe I’m cynical, but Obama and Gillibrand struck a deal over DADT. They both need a win, and this non-essential (in that it has nothing to do with the Crisis now at hand) issue is the winning ticket. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for it. I’d just rather it come after we get HCR, Bank regulations, etc.
she is the one who takes the massive banking lobby money– and votes accordingly