If we do see a jobs bill from the Senate, the main component (accounting for 87% of the spending at this point) would be the Schumer-Hatch job creation tax credit. This would give businesses a break on their half of payroll taxes (6.2% of salary) for every worker they hire in 2010 who has been unemployed at least 60 days. It would also offer incentives – $1000, I believe – for every year the employee remains with the company beyond 2010. The projected cost is $13 billion dollars.
Some liberal economists have actually supported a job creation tax credit. One is the labor-backed Economic Policy Institute. However, they are not warming to Schumer-Hatch. Here’s Timothy Bartik of EPI:
Awarding credits for hires can be very expensive. Over a one-year period, the number of hires, as a percentage of total private employment, is over 40% even during a recession. To pay for hires that would have occurred anyway will be expensive and won’t necessarily increase total private-sector employment. The Schumer-Hatch design tries to avoid some of these large costs in several ways. First, credits are limited to hiring the unemployed, apply only to the rest of 2010, and are only worth 6.2% of the new hire’s payroll costs. The retention bonus is of modest size and is delayed. While these limits control costs, they also hamper the credit’s benefits.
Limiting the credit to hiring someone unemployed at least 60 days makes the credit less attractive to employers. Not only does the credit become more complicated to claim (which reduces its effectiveness), But it restricts the employer’s hiring to a more limited pool of workers.
Past experiences (for example, with the Targeted Jobs Tax Credit, the Work Opportunities Tax Credit, and the Welfare-to-Work Tax Credit) suggest that tax credits to encourage employers to hire disadvantaged workers usually elicit little employer interest, and have little effect upon employer behavior. Employers are happy to claim such credits if they happen to meet the credit’s rules, but they are reluctant to change their behavior in response to such targeted tax credits.
EPI estimates that this credit would create no more than 200,000 jobs in 2010. At a price tag of $13 billion, that comes out to about $65,000 per job created. There are more efficient options out there.
Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research (CEPR) calls it money for nothing.
We know from a vast body of research on the minimum wage that employment is not responsive to moderate changes in the cost of the labor. This is why a a 15-20 percent increase in the minimum wage does not lead to any measurable impact on employment.
If a 15-20 percent rise in the cost of labor does not reduce employment, then no one can believe that a 6.2 percent decline in the cost of labor (only for the rest of 2010) would increase employment. In other words, there is little reason to believe that the Schumer-Hatch tax credit would create any noticeable number of jobs. It truly is money for nothing.
Baker’s design of a tax credit to create jobs would promote work-sharing, which would pay companies to keep employees at shorter hours, encouraging additional hiring to make up the workload. This credit is working in Germany and the Netherlands.
Another option, promoted by Marshall Auerback of the Roosevelt Institute, would be direct job creation through a job guarantee program.
The U.S. government can proceed directly to zero unemployment by offering a universal job guarantee available to anybody through the thick and thin of the business cycle. Furthermore, by fixing the wage paid under this job-guarantee program at a level that does not disrupt existing labor markets (a wage level close to the existing minimum wage, for example), price stability can be largely achieved. Other benefits could be provided, including vacation and sick leave, contributions to Social Security, and, most important, health-care benefits, providing scope for a bottom-up reform of the current patchwork health-care system [...]
The job-guarantee program would in effect create a “buffer stock” of “shovel ready” labor, which could be employed by the private sector, as private-sector output improves in line with an improving economy. Additionally, the program would allow for the elimination of many existing government welfare payments for anyone not specifically targeted for exemption and would command greater political legitimacy, as society places a high value on work as the means through which individuals earn a livelihood. Minimum-wage legislation would no longer be needed as it would be established via the job-guarantee program. Labor would welcome the safety net of a guaranteed job, and business would recognize the benefit of a pool of available labor it could draw from at some spread to the government wage paid to job-guarantee employees.
Of course, that wouldn’t be bipartisan. So there’s that.



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This is exactly how FDR got us out of the Depression. He created tax cuts for everyone who had jobs! How the hell can they talk freeze out of one side of their mouth and tax cuts for wealthy business owners out of the other?
ON TOPIC: I haven’t heard ANYONE address the FACT that during 1999-2009 there was ZERO jobs created. (I don’t take EPI’s 129,000+ number as being of any significant import).
Given that job creation NEEDS to be 150,000 per month(that’s 1,800,000 per year), that calculates out to 18 Million jobs that needed to be created during the period of 1999-2009.
Now add in all the jobs LOST during 2009 and we are talking about 20 million or more jobs losses during the 1999-Jan.2010 time period.
Add to the above the FACT that the unemployment rate among those making $15,000 a year or less is over 30 per cent (while the unemployment rate for those used to making over $100K per year is 3 per cent) and what is readily apparent is a systemic structure problem that NO ONE is addressing.
Throw in the increasing income disparity among U.S. citizens and what do you get?
Gee, three oout of four OT in the comments here!
Well ON topic: why haven’t the White House/Administration luminaries figured out that instead of all the “tax credit” bs, they ought to just have a government jobs program, combined with funneling money to the states, so they can quite firing teachers, firemen, police, government workers who care for people?
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to look around and see the crumbling bridges, potholes, 37-kids-in-a-classroom schools, and general decline/elimination of public services. Use tax dollars for this.
Go ahead and pass your “kiss business’ ass tax bill,” but while you’re arguing over it, send some money out to create real jobs, even if it’s only picking up trash on the side of the road.
Given that a relatively decent job with benefits is going to cost the employer roughly $50k – $60K, a $1,000 tax credit is just not going to give a business much impetus to hire.
Not sure how that “shovel ready” private labor thing is supposed to work out, but if it means the government becomes a huge temp agency I suppose that could work.
It’s just astonishing how often the Congress and the Obama Administration zero in on exactly the wrong solution to any problem. You’d think they don’t even live in the same universe the rest of us occupy.
How to game the system:
Employees (W2)->Contractors (1099)->90 days->Employees(W2)
Another giveaway to business. Just what we need. What would prevent a business from firing one worker and hiring another just to get the tax deal?
California could use some of that 13 billion to keep in place programs that help the needy. Instead we get gimmicks.
I doubt more than 100,000 will be hired because of the payroll tax check to employers
One hires because of increased demand – with very minor fill or advance hiring because of tax credits
Better would be a tax credit to the employee – at least that would likely increase demand and thus real hiring.
Best would be direct hiring via gov job or contracts for infrstructure – but I guess that is not bi-partisan
At least Reid stopped the Baucus / GOP game of adding Patriot Act extensions and flood insurance for the rich to the “jobs” bill.
That Auerbach proposal seems about as kooky as any economics I’ve heard in a long time.
ah, excellent! i would love to know why you think it’s kooky.
What are all those workers supposed to do for the govt? A detail to petty for Auerbach to even mention.
is that the only objection? are there any other economic problems that qualify it as kooky? very serious question.
One correction: I am not an EPI economist. EPI posted my comment on Schumer-Hatch. I am a senior economist at the Upjohn Institute for Employment Research.
Tim Bartik
It’s completely out of the question politically. For both “parties.” I don’t think to hard about something that has no chance of being enacted.
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It is out of the question for all of the R party and half of the D Party. The R Party is entirely corrupt. The D Party is about half corrupt. (That equals 75 percent corrupt which is as good as 100 percent corrupt for practical application.)
Corrupted by PACs and Lobbyists for megacorps.
not asking about the politics – economics only. is it kooky economics or do you not like it for other reasons in addition to the lack of any discussion regarding what the workers would do?
I like your diagram so much I am going to try to improve it.
employees (w2)> Bonds / Bankers/ administrators/ grifters/ contractors/ other… (1099)>… a few employees (w2)s + deficit.
I probably didn’t get it right, anyways. a work in progress.
Just from the outer peanut gallory but,
the figures are too high. ( 75% of D currupt,) = 25% good. way too high.
Where do they hide 25% of 59 = 14 and a half senators, uncorrupt, and that means they would be jumpin up and down furiously.
Workshare! UGH! That doesn’t work. Ask people in Southwestern Ontario furniture factories how that worked out for them in the 80′s. Employers refused to hire anyone to make up for the hours not worked by current employees. So in essence, you end up with your exact same staff, working harder for less money. It doesn’t work. Might work in Europe, but it doesn’t over here. Maybe it’s the greed in corporations.
“You’d think they don’t even live in the same universe the rest of us occupy.
They don’t , they’re as we call them “the villagers.” Inside the village life is magnificent and its really painful and distracting to have to look outside @ the increasingly scrubby looking people and their crumbling communities. Once you’ve made it to the village your over for life just as long as you can stay out of jail. The facts are none of them really care what happens to the rest of us. Its easier to do what your Corp. bosses want keep your head down and bring home the bacon or at least make it look like your bringing home the bacon for your constituency. The reality of course is your real constituency is the Big Corps.
They haven’t figured it out yet and they will not figure it out because it would be SOCIALIST *gasps of horror from the audience*. Tax credits are the current answer to every problem, unless its a tax cut, from Democrats and Republicans alike.
I agree with you selise, Marshall Auerback’s suggestion is good economics. It’s exactly what FDR did during the depression with the Works Progress Administration and Civilian Conservation Corps. Are FDR’s New Deal economics politically viable today? Not with the current clowns in Washington but I think our current clowns days are numbered.
There are of course even more basic things that could be done to help reduce the unemployment problem… like not firing civil servants because they are already providing a useful service. That pretty much means helping states with thier budget problems. Maybe something like matching Federal dollars(on the increased collection) for states that choose to increase thier tax rates.
Yeah, the Reagan tax cut cult is just like Alan Greenspan’s neo-liberal economics cult.
Both are bad for our economy.
Both are destroying the nation.
Both seem impossible to kill.
The only bright side is that anything unsustainable will stop. And this lunacy is entirely unsustainable. We may not have much of a country left by the time it stops but stop it will.
i respect ecahn’s opinion a lot, which is why i was so curious to understand the comment @9.
in case you haven’t seen this, or similar, here is just one example of james galbraith recommending BOTH the jobs program and helping states with their budget problems (and a bunch of other stuff too):
http://www.prosperityagenda.us/node/2764
FDR had a unified electorate and when a dollar was spent it stayed in the community of this nation . Not so today . Billions are spent to separate out the paranoid from the rest of the electorate and convence the paranoid they have enemies under every rock and looking for a disagreement . Japan got most of the “cash for clunkers” money but what little stayed in the USA is helping some . The only enemy our electorate has is the corporatist that are concerned about stripping this nation of it’s wealth while spewing rhetoric to divide the electorate . They know that with a divided electorate they are the government . And with a unified electorate we are the government with the power to plant enough fear in Congress to control our own lives . Remember , a divided army is a burden unto itself and can be easily defeated .
Does anyone ever read a history book or look at the rest of the world and see how they are faring. If you want to put people to work and move the country forward, we need massive infrastructure projects, new educational programs, and healthcare reform with a government component to provide cost lowering competition. It’s not rocket science. If the DEMs had any spine and knew how to speak in simple coherent English, they could sell these ideas and push them through Congress in a heartbeat. Sadly, they do not.
I don’t know about that, Obama came into office with a pretty clear mandate from the voters. His strong election victory and the number of D’s in the Senate and House should have allowed him to do some open field running to fix things(if he actually wanted to fix things).
It’s not like FDR didn’t have pressure from the right. There was the anti-newdeal “Liberty League” founded by wallstreet democrats. And the major industrialists were always on his back to cut the budget deficit.
If the electorate is divided today it’s because Obama kicked off his 1st term by puting Tim Geithner onto center stage to tell the public about his plans to route even more bailout money to wallstreet.
To answer your question ,yes.
“STEVEN HILL: Well, I mean, for example, while Greece is going through this deficit issue, the people there all still have healthcare. You know, Greece has universal healthcare for all, unlike in the United States or California, where you have millions of people that have no healthcare at all. They have a much more generous support for workers who get laid off. They have paid parental leave, paid sick leave. They have more generous retirement, more vacations. And, you know, whereas Americans, when we go through this, really don’t have any of that at all. And that’s still present in Greece and in other countries of Europe throughout any kind of crisis like this. They start trimming a little bit at the edges, but even so, what remains is still far more than what any American would enjoy.
But what Europe has managed to do is to figure out how do we harness this ability of capitalism to create wealth, because there’s no question that capitalism creates a lot of wealth, but there’s an outstanding question here of what do we do with that wealth. Whose pockets does that money go into? Europe has figured out a way to harness this wealth and create a more broadly shared prosperity that all of their people enjoy, and even in the midst of an economic crisis like this, whereas the United States, we’re still trying to figure it out. We can’t even figure out how to give healthcare to all our people or to get sixty votes in the United States Senate, you know, where the filibuster has gone wild. So, in many, many ways, Europe is doing fine through this crisis, where we in the United States here are really having difficult times.
In order to, in a sense, put some regulations around corporate power, Germany was the first to develop a practice known as co-determination, where the—you know, every corporation has a board of directors, but in Germany 50 percent of those board members are elected by the workers. In Sweden a third of the board members are elected by the workers. It would be as if Wal-Mart were required by law to allow its workers to elect 50 percent of its board of directors. It’s almost unimaginable from the American point of view. And yet, here you have major economies in Europe that actually do this on a fairly regular basis, and yet most Americans have never even heard about this.”
From here.
But I still haven’t heard anyone come up with a way to address the systemic structural issues of the unemployed; simply put, we have far more people than needed to keep or enhance ‘productivity’ levels from what they are NOW.
So what to do? Even at the peak of WPA employment, only 3.4/3.4 million were employed. AND that is a LONG ways from the 20 million or more jobs needed to simply address population growthe since 1999.
Thanks for the link, Galbraith’s article makes good sense.
And I really don’t see why it’s more supportable to pay people not to work rather than paying them to work.
After all, we are currently extending and re-extending unemployment benefits for who knows how long.
They can’t kick the Republicans away from their pant legs. They CAN kick the liberals who know what this is into a dark corner.
Obama is channeling Bush and he isn’t even dead yet.
The Schumer- Hatch Tax Act says all you need to know about this. When is the last time either of these two had a good idea that actually benefitted the ordinary citizens of this country?
“And I really don’t see why it’s more supportable to pay people not to work rather than paying them to work.”; see here. And here.
And please note the name of Milton Friedman. And that such an idea passed the House once and was defeated in the Senate; sound familiar?
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Agreed.
This constitutes the “optimistic” perspective, at this moment in time.
DW
Too true, robbep, too true.
DW
Maybe it’s because this issue of how government can or should spur new employment hasn’t been investigated properly for some time (if ever).
So, it’s a chicken & egg thing: employers see no increasing demand, so they won’t hire to produce anything and without employment people won’t buy.
Where can gov’t push or enable? Tax cuts are obvious, paying employers to hire is another. But, maybe it just doesn’t move them.
Perhaps someone should simulate normal spending (purchasing) to invigorate the employers into producing more stock by hiring more people. That would mean putting more money into people’s hands or of having some other entity (entities) purchase.
The stimulus also pushed a lot of money into the system. Maybe we could do more of that. Last I heard we had only ‘spent’ something like $150B out of the $787B available.
One issue is how to push things along without just tossing extra paper money out there. We don’t need a lot of price inflation developing.
People are being cautious with spending and that’s not all bad. Employers aren’t seeing enough sales, so they see no reason to do more. This would be a nice quiescent situation except there are a lot of people not employed and serving their needs with purchases.
It’s as though the existing work force has to need more and want more and try to buy more, so employers will hire the other unemployed workers.
Do today’s working people NEED product of the unemployed?
No, I think that’s a burden we don’t need to put on those people. It’s better to focus on the need of the people unemployed and without reserves (thank you Ronnie Raygun & W) to spend.
It seems unemployment benefits directly into their hands is most efficient. Could we (temporarily) boost the levels of that some?
David Dayen is upstairs!
How To Do Stimulus: China’s High-Speed Rail Program
It will fail. The reason is simple. Corporations don’t want to create job. They don’t want to create infrastructure. They want to create one thing and one thing only . . . profits.
Every penny they pay to workers is a penny they can’t immediately pocket.
Contrary to the religious beliefs of those that run our nation, free market mysticism can’t and will not solve all problems.
The one problem it does solve is how to make a handful of obscenely rich yet more rich at the expense millions of poor.
I don’t know why more people don’t get it.
Those links weren’t about paying people to work. They were just about changing peoples default income to more than zero.
The problem with just giving people money is that it grates against the common American work ethic. So unless there is an easily understood rational (such as the natural resources in Palin’s Alaska), plans to just give people money are always vulnerable to attack. Provided that the government can identify productive things to do(and I believe they can), government work programs would be far more defensible.
Only problem is convincing the top 0.1% of the wealthy. They tend to consider anything that doesn’t directly make them wealthier to be a boondoggle. And if the top 0.1% are opposed, then the media and our senators will also be opposed.
If we gave every person in America 1,000$ per month, it would be cheaper than running the federal government.
And a lot more effective.
Hell you could even force them to “work” for that money, though it isn’t clear what most of them could productively do.
Generally, when Dr. Dean Baker advocates for a particular policy it is well-reasoned, then promptly ignored by policy makers. Of course the minimum wage should be $10/hr, and of course this silly tax credit enriches power at the top with little-to-no amelioration of unemployment. This is the primary function of the government: to help the power sectors at the top maintain their power, even if it’s at the expense of the public.
I had an econ professor who always reminded us that any economist who suggest it cost to much to create jobs, has secure jobs. Lines like this…..”But it restricts the employer’s hiring to a more limited pool of workers.”…Are patently untrue, we now have the biggest segment of long term unemployed in modern history. In the employment world the longer you are out of a job the less likely you will get a job.
I would suggest raising the 60 day requirement to 6 months if you really want to help the unemployed. 60 days just helps white collar workers between high positions.
No ,the links were about what others have done/said about the systemic structural problem of having more people than needed for the ‘work’ that is to be done.
And you are ignoring the issue raised in ‘Capitalism hits the fan’(which you can see here.)
And ,please, this -”The problem with just giving people money is that it grates against the common American work ethic.”-also doesn’t reflect how many people are working harder because their companies have laid off workers and expect those still employed to do more.
If you want to talk about the common worldwide issue of people wanting to feel they are of ‘use’ and ‘valued’, ok, but the calvinist work ‘tradition’ died long ago.
“Only problem is convincing the top 0.1% of the wealthy. They tend to consider anything that doesn’t directly make them wealthier to be a boondoggle. And if the top 0.1% are opposed, then the media and our senators will also be opposed.”——yes,there is some truth to that BUT if our government was reflective of ‘we, the people’, then the media wouldn’t be what it is today(thank you very much Bill Clinton for the Telecommunications Act of 1996) and the ’0.1%’ would be irrelevant.
See here for other ideas.
During a crisis when the populist sentiment is very strong and anti-banker?
I think handing out money would be cheered and Milton Friedman is no longer with us.
Considering the unemployment situation that doesn’t sound terribly radical at all. Of course, the Republicans will say “No”, but in today’s economy that’s just all the better — gravy on ice cream!
“According to the BLS, there are a record 6.31 million workers who have been unemployed for more than 26 weeks (and still want a job). This is a record 4.1% of the civilian workforce. (note: records started in 1948).”
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