The signers to Michael Bennet’s letter to pass the public option through reconciliation have continued to roll in. Before I get to that, I want to respond to a couple comments in the last thread on this about why I’m monitoring this action.
There are two questions being asked – one about whether Senators would be willing to use reconciliation to pass the health care bill, and one about whether they would sign on to the Bennet letter. These questions should be viewed separately. The reconciliation question essentially asks whether these Senators want to pass health care at all, because a reconciliation sidecar is really the only way to get the bill done. The public option question gauges what kind of support there is within reconciliation for something beyond the set of compromises that were determined before Scott Brown won in Massachusetts.
First off, if you’re following the health care debate, this is one of the two remaining hurdles to get to a bill. The other is abortion funding and the Stupak amendment, which could prove an eventual brick wall, as I’ve been saying for weeks and weeks. But it’s worthwhile to know if reconciliation has majority support in the Senate, in addition to the public option. Whether these events actually occur or not, knowing a clear whip count demystifies the process. It puts legislators on the record. It forces accountability. And that’s never a bad thing. Harry Reid cannot say “we don’t have the votes” if you can wave a piece of paper in front of his face and announce “yes you do.”
So where are we at with this project? Last night, Dianne Feinstein signed on to the Bennet letter. along with Jack Reed. Amy Klobuchar and Ben Cardin endorsed using the reconciliation, but were more noncommital on the public option. I can confirm this morning that Tom Udall of New Mexico, who yesterday agreed to reconciliation as a means to finish the bill, is now a yes on the Bennet letter. And Barbara Boxer signed on as well.
There is an indication that HELP Committee chair Tom Harkin would also support reconciliation and the public option, but he has not formally signed on to any process.
So the current tabulation has 28 yes votes for reconciliation and two maybes (Harkin is listed as a maybe along with Mark Pryor, I think that’s pretty cautious), getting us 3/5 of the way to a majority in support of using the process. On the Bennet letter, there are 15 yes votes and 5 maybes.
How does this compare to the original public option letter in the Senate, signed in October by 30 members, calling for it to be placed in the merged Senate bill? Well, most of the names are the same. The only new addition is Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), but the original letter included Paul Kirk of Massachusetts, who has since been replaced by Scott Brown.
Of the five “maybe” votes on the public option – Klobuchar, Cardin, Harkin, Bob Casey and Claire McCaskill, three of them (Klobuchar, Harkin and McCaskill) were not original co-signers. The remaining original co-signers have not indicated a preference yet:
John D. Rockefeller (D-WV); Russell D. Feingold (D-WI); Daniel K. Akaka (D-HI); Ron Wyden (D-OR); Debbie Stabenow (D-MI);
Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ);Barbara A. Mikulski (D-MD); Daniel K. Inouye (D-HI); Edward E. Kaufman (D-DE); Arlen Specter (D-PA); Maria Cantwell (D-WA); Robert Menendez (D-NJ); Herb Kohl (D-WI).
They would represent the low-hanging fruit of this project. And if they consented to reconciliation, we would approach a majority in the Senate favoring the strategy.
UPDATE: Barbara Mikulski and Frank Lautenberg have signed the Bennet letter, bringing the unofficial total to 16. Whip Congress does not include Carl Levin in their counts, though over counts do. 31 Democrats supports the use of reconciliation, with 2 maybes and only 2 no votes (Democrats could lose 9 total).



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Heard Cong. Debbie Wasserman Shultz on Bill Press this morning. She pretty much typifies what’s going on in the real world. She wonders whether the Republicans will come to Obama’s Health Care Summit “ready to negotiate”. There’s a real challenge! Will they show up ready for more Dem capitulation?
The public option is dead. Now is the time for senators to get it on public record that they were for it. It’ll look good at re-election time.
What we’re going to get in the real world, in this lifetime, is the horrid senate bill, watered-down even further. But it will be played as a bipartisan success.
Sad, but ultimately true. Like everything else in the Congress, members can only support good legislation when it has no chance of passing.
The public option was dead a long time ago. The political ruling class for the most part never wanted it. Health care reform is dead. It’s now an election year and Obama is trying to change the topic away from the failed reform disaster. If real reform had ever been a possibility the politicians would have passed the legislation last year. Instead, we got excuses about how we needed 60 votes in the Senate and we got a very watered-down, weak-knee’d version of reform in the House.
We’ve all heard of the backroom deals the White House made with the insurance and pharmaceutical cartels. We’ve all heard of the huge army of lobbyists the cartels sent to DC to coerce or co-opt officeholders. We’ve all seen the results.
The health care reform issue was about the national government taking a big step to do something that directly benefited people who work for a living. The reform initiative failed because the national government is entirely corrupt. From the standpoint of the government supposedly serving the people, the US is clearly ungovernable.
We can’t even get a jobs package through the government. We have to cross our fingers and hope for unemployment insurance extensions during the worst employment market collapse in the modern history of the country. The national government is not serving its purpose. It’s completely corrupt.
Yes, what we are seeing in these letters and last-minute support for the (DOA) public option is Democratic politicians pandering to their bases in an election year. This is safe pandering from the standpoint of the politicians because they are already inoculated from any demand that they actually effectually act on their support. The late-breaking support for the public option (from politicians who wouldn’t go on the record when it was a possibility) is just bullshit PR to try to shore up their left flank this year.
I totally agree.
I called Patty Murray’s office this morning on the PO and reconciliation. I was told she is for the PO, but won’t commit on reconcilation. What a crock! I told her staffer that if she is not for reconciliation, she is with the GOP because the Democrats do not have 60 votes. You have to support reconciliation if you support health care reform because that is the ONLY way it will pass. I couldn’t get through to Sen. Cantwell’s office, but will keep trying. Cantwell is usually my lousy non-committal Senator and Murray is usually better. I hope this is not an omen of just how screwed we are.
Another piece this morning in the News referred to six states that will likely see huge increases in insurance premiums soon. They referred to Washington State (my state) as having stiff regulations that recently prohibited Blue Cross from a 40% increase. My BC premium went up 37%. If that’s what they call stiffer regulations, we are all toast.
Excellent post, David…
But we should always ask… exactly what PO means? We’ve been down this forked road for nearly a year… and when “centrists” pretend to embrace a PO it does not mean what the hopeful think it means.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen David Dayen and the firepup freedom Fighters:
Last night Citizen Bernie Sanders ran off a scenario that advanced the idea that healthcare reconcilliation could also include significant jobs expansion, aide to state governments, extension of unemployment and alternative energy efforts. Now given that the fascists are meeting with lobbiests to kill any stand alone jobs bill, isn’t it possible that if the Democrats get 50 votes for reconcilliation they could in fact package jobs and state aide that would get to the states before November?
It seems to me that once the Democrats get 50+ votes for reconcilliation, the lid is off and the only thing standing in the way of a double shot of love for the country would be the Stupid Amendment and that might be finnessed out with givin’ up the name “public option” or with delayed opt-outs. What about it Brother David…I know it doesn’t seem probable at the moment but once the Democrats realize they’ve got a mechanism to get BOTH healthcare and jobs with one blow and are able to move on pushin the fascists closer and closer to accountability in November it seems with a bit of Presidential leadership it just might work.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION AND IT’S STILL ALL ABOUT THE WARS!!
That is the TRUTH, ES.
DW
Why a strong public option is morally necessary: (1) The Hyde Amendment will prove it probably politically impossible to have STABLE publicly financed healthcare via private insurance subsidies. (2) Stable publicly financed healthcare is a moral imperative. Doing ALL possible market reforms with no publicly financed healthcare will do essentially nothing for the vast majority of those not far from 100 million – and increasing – underinsured and uninsured. Do the math. 2/3 of all uninsured are at LESS than twice poverty. 1/3 of all households have incomes LESS than roughly $30,000/yr before all federal-state-county-city taxation. The average actuarial value (defined here as the portion of the bill paid by insurance, not deductibles and copays) and loss ratio in the health insurance industry is roughly 75-80%. Lowering premiums to where the loss ratio is close to 100% while holding steady the actuarial value yields premium decreases only 20-25% maximum. Average family premiums go roughly from $13-14,000/yr to $10-11,000/yr, still beyond what most households could afford – and that’s for premiums, never mind deductibles and copays. The mathematical wiggle room isn’t there. The conservative policy of no public financing of healthcare guarantees that US health care amenable mortality, as many as 101,000 or more deaths annually from lack of health care – not just via lack of health insurance (see the peer-reviewed “Measuring The Health Of Nations: Updating An Earlier Analysis”), has nowhere to go but up. NOTE: All this implies that “privatizing” Medicare and Medicaid is a bad idea.
Citizen angel:
Yep and that’s why facin’ down the Stupid Amendment in reconcilliation is the only way we get healthcare reform at all.
Senator Cantwell won’t commit on reconcilation either. Ranted (politely) at her aide as well for all the good it does. Told him the same thing as Senator Murray’s aide. If a Democrat doesn’t support reconcilation, they support the GOP position which is not to pass anything. I am suffering from rage fatigue. The teabaggers may be for the most part raging lunatics, but at least they take to the streets. I think it is time for the Democrats to have some sit-ins around the country in Senate Offices. Senators are not significantly alarmed by our outrage. I think they still believe we will actually re-elect them, which I am fairly certain we won’t. Come election day, there are a lot of Democrats and former Democrats that are going to be stricken with the Blue Flu.
OT
Eyewitnesses describe the plane crash into building in Austin as deliberate.
Why do I keep thinking these Senators are singing on,then as usual,”we just don’t have the votes” meme will come to the fore once more.
I am cynical as hell,members of congress & above all the WH are trying to preserve the presence of the Insurance Industry & thus I think it will be the same as before.
To add to message 10, February 18th, 2010 at 9:28 am: Here is a small recent sample – 13 studies – of the vast amount of peer-reviewed science showing that including public financing of health care is desperately required to have less – especially much less – health care amenable mortality. The first 12 studies are not cited by that Harvard study showing about 45,000 deaths annually via lack of health insurance, so this is additional information. (That Harvard study is study (13).) Specifically note study (5), which says that as many as 101,000 or more Americans die annually from lack of health care, not just via lack of health insurance. NOTE: The first 2 studies give scientific evidence that emergency rooms all over the US violate EMTALA, the law that says emergency rooms must treat all emergencies equally regardless of patients’ abilities to pay. —— (1) (published 2009) Lack of insurance negatively affects trauma mortality in US children (3 times higher death rate for uninsured child trauma patients) —— (2) (published 2009) Downwardly Mobile: The Accidental Cost of Being Uninsured (almost 2 times higher death rate for uninsured adult trauma patients) —— (3) (published 2009) Analysis of 23 million US hospitalizations: uninsured children have higher all-cause in-hospital mortality (60% higher) —— (4) (published 2008) Association of Insurance with Cancer Care Utilization and Outcomes (The uninsured have 60% higher overall cancer mortality.) —— (5) (published 2008) Measuring The Health Of Nations: Updating An Earlier Analysis (The US now has a higher health care amenable mortality rate than all the other 18 richest OECD countries. If the US improved to equal the average of the world’s 3 best countries, then 101,000 Americans would no longer die annually from lack of health care [not just via lack of health insurance].) —— (6) (published 2008) Insurance Status Predicts Access to Care and Outcomes of Vascular Disease (The uninsured have a more than 2 times higher overall post-operative mortality rate.) —— (7) (published 2007) Disparities in outcomes among patients with stroke associated with insurance status (Uninsured patients with intracerebral hemorrhage and acute ischemic stroke had 24% and 56% higher rates of death, respectively.) —— (8) (published 2007) Does Medicare Save Lives? (Medicare reduces the death rate by 20 percent. Part of the reduction holds even in comparison to private insurance: Elderly hospital patients admitted through the emergency room have lower mortality rates on traditional Medicare compared to being on private insurance – since traditional Medicare both tries to and successfully denies a smaller percentage of claims, doctors and hospitals and referred-to care-givers actually do more for patients on traditional Medicare, and this extra health care actually lowers mortality rates.) —— (9) (published 2000) Relation between income inequality and mortality in Canada and in the United States: cross sectional assessment using census data and vital statistics (Canada has no association between income inequality and mortality rates. The US has a strong such association for those 65. Such an association existed in Canada before Canadian Medicare, when Canada had a private system like the US.) —— (10) (published 2007) Avoidable mortality by neighbourhood income in Canada: 25 years after the establishment of universal health insurance (The change to universal medical care and not change in public health policy caused the vast majority of the decrease in mortality rates.) —— (11);(12) (published 2002) A systematic review and meta-analysis of studies comparing mortality rates of private for-profit and private not-for-profit hospitals; (published 2004) Payments for care at private for-profit and private not-for-profit hospitals: a systematic review and meta-analysis (For-profit hospitals have 2% higher death rates and 19% higher costs because of the need to generate profit to satisfy investors, the significantly higher administrative costs, and the large executive bonuses, according to the authors.) —— (13) (published 2009) Health Insurance and Mortality in US Adults (The uninsured have an overall 40% higher mortality rate – almost 45,000 extra deaths annually.)
What does Sen. Snowe say?
Did you see my rambling answer about Posner last night? I think it got caught in EPUland.
linky?
Yes, eCAHN, and as I replied, it was and is, thoroughly appreciated.
;~DW
Good.
Citizen xargaw:
Don’t take it to the streets unless it’s the street in front of the restaurant where a Democratic Senator is sittin’…don’t take it to the streets unless it’s right down Georgia Ave. and onto the White House lawn…don’t take it to the street but take it to the office of every single Democratic Senator in the Senate office building…don’t take it to the street but get a million folks out in front of the Lincoln Memorial and do it in 10 days. Think that would be possible with all the progressive blogs and MoveOn and DFA…I think it just might.
Its safe now for her and the rest of them to sign on to anything that looks good but has absolutely zero chance of ever reaching Mr. Hopey Changey this yr. Its all just election yr. kabuki for the voters. These people piss me off royally.
Second that.
“I am suffering from rage fatigue.” Ditto on that. I ‘m really sick and tired of the Dems. at this juncture. No more $$ no more votes no more anything. I’m going Indie for the duration. Neither party is anything more then the flip sides of a strip of fly paper and I knew that 40 yrs. ago and NOTHING has changed except the glue has gotten stronger.
No, ’twas excellent.
These royalty piss on people.
So your reaction is turnabout, most fair, seaglass.
;~DW
I’m not sure what you mean, but as for those 13 studies I listed @ 15: Some places don’t allow for providing links – I don’t yet know whether FDL does. Regardless, copy and paste and Google the titles of each study less the comments, and the result will be not only many links to the study or at least its abstract, but quite a few articles about the study as well.
some of these response letters must either be from ‘bluedog’ traitors or from people whose cowardice and pessimism rival that of harry reid himself. we the people want a public option and we will get it. despite rightwingers on one side and snivelling cowards and dilettantes on the other. what purpose is really served by proclaiming doom and gloom to every ray of hope for the public option. to pretend that you are oh-so-sophisticated that you cant be bothered to even hope for change? I honestly dont know which is worse, republican lemmings who are fooled into voting against their interests, or so-called liberal pretenders who try to discourage others for even hoping for change
Thanks Dave for this reporting.
Call me stupid, but hearing about Bennet’s letter got me hopeful… and I have been pestering the healthcare legislative aides for Bingaman and Tom Udall about their stances.
So I am glad to see Udall agreed to co-sign the letter.
I guess the reason I am hopeful is that perhaps, maybe, possibly after the Massachusetts Massacre… that some Dems are intelligent enough to see that the reason we are pissed is because of no public option when mandates are required, not to mention the overall sellout of HCR in the Senate version
I’m hoping for 50 plus Biden…. I sent out a plea to all my friends yesterday to sign DFA’s citizen co-sponsor petition…
This is truly our last and only hope at this point…
I guess even tho I have been extremely demoralized… to the point of backing off of my political work… I still feel a glimmer of hope at this effort….
One thing Teddy Kennedy communicated in his book is …
Never, ever, ever give up hope.
working-class Repubs are so distracted that they are induced into voting against their own economic interests.
Obama will veto a public option bill. Mark my words.
Dude,
there’s been hope since Tester in ’06. Then Pelosi said things are off the table, then war funding continued, then……
I don’t want to recount the history of the blog over the years, but the hope has withered.
It was certainly there.
This current cynicism is not unearned, as you suggest.
And not from blue dogs. Are you new or something?
Citizen dustinthewind:
Bless your heart Citizen but if you’re lookin for progressives who don’t look and sound like fuckin’ Chicken Little you’re in the wrong place…and don’t count on ‘em when the Tea Bag Brown Shirts come knockin on doors either!
Forsooth, the cowards and dilettantes with whom you disagree are hurt to the quick.
Tough crowd, tough crowd.
If in fact the current discussion of a public option is simply comprised of letting Blue Cross, Blue Shield into the mix then recent stories about the ramp up in what that particular non-profit is doing with respect to premium hikes may imply that a compromise in this area alone would have a minimal or negative effect with respect to controlling out of pocket costs.
Ignoring that when, people like Feinstein jump into a mix then some people may want to consider the advantages of skepticism when dealing with a game of political football. Sometimes Lucy yanks the ball at the last minute.
GREAT comment, thanks so much for sharing.
And thanks David D for the update.
Norske, I love it when you have hope . . . I dare to have some with yas, but it’s hard ain’t it given what we’ve seen play out so far.
As Citzen ES says, WHAT Public Option are we even TALKING about? Because a watered down and neutered one will be equally useless as the Senate Bill as is . . .
Hope, and the devil, are in the details, as always.
In addition to comment 10, February 18th, 2010 at 9:28 am, and comment 15, February 18th, 2010 at 9:48 am, here are 3 more reasons why publicly financed healthcare is morally necessary: (1) Because of the political power of conservatives, in most states a large minority if not a majority of those in poverty are still not allowed on even just Medicaid. For instance, in 41 states, those still not allowed on Medicaid includes all non-disabled single adults under age 65 and therefore most homeless people. NOTE: Conservatives always try to “refute” the science (some of which I cited) showing very high US health care amenable mortality by saying that people can always go to emergency rooms or free clinics. They don’t know the legal facts: (2) ERs are no answer for all these people – and for all uninsured and underinsured as well. This is because ERs are legally required by the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) to treat ONLY emergencies, and the vast majority of healthcare needed over time to avoid or prevent premature death – and to lower health care amenable mortality – is comprehensive and not an emergency at the time. (Note that EMTALA was passed as part of the 1986 Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act. Note the phrase “Budget Reconciliation”.) (3) Free clinics, available to only the poorest, are also no answer for the underinsured and uninsured: They are equipped to provide only some small part of the aforementioned comprehensive care.
At least that might wake up some of the remaining Obamabots in time for 2012.
Feinstein is trying to distract liberal Californians from her deal with the devil to sell out our water rights. She could be for real on the public option because CA is looking at single payer and is mad as hell at Anthem/Blue Cross for their hikes so there isn’t much risk compared to the hell she could get over the water rights. Besides, her big contributors are defense related, so she can afford to piss off some AHIP people.
PaulaT –
You’re right. But this is also Feinstein playing kabuki, backing something she knows will never pass.
John –
You’re right, too. If push ever came to shove, O would definitely veto a public option bill. The goal is to impose those mandates to keep the insurance companies from putting themselves out of business.
I mean, I have this crazy idea that if there is momentum for the public option, shouldn’t we be trying to push it forward instead of just giving up? Regardless of how unlikely the outcome?
Honestly, you’d never guess this was a progressive blog. I think you guys just want to complain.
So I guess we’ll all just lay down and die then. That is to say, those of us without health insurance. Because actually fighting for something that we might lose is just too hard.
Kyeo –
I think most of us have proven that we’re willing to do everything we can to push our Senators and Reps to do the right thing.
I also think that most of us don’t have much faith in the outcome of that process.
Therefore, we are making a careful distinction between hoping/pushing for true HCR without giving, or appearing to give, unconditional election support to elected officials who have demonstrated, time and again, that they are cowardly, weakkneed, corporatist DINOs.
I don’t think the public option is dead. It may be on life support, but we still have a chance that Congress will grow a set and use Reconciliation to pass health care reform with a legitimate public option.
You are right the democrats have become arrogant and deceptive in their policies. As far as I am concern , Obama leads the pack in deception..
Emanuel & Obama are building a conservative republican party of the democratic party..
Emanuel & Obama has made the democratic party the left hand of the right wing republican party…
Obama says now he did not promise a public option..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUNCpnRBf9o
Wednesday, September 24, 2008…..Obama’s speech from Dunedin, Florida
http://speeches.demconwatchblog.com/2008/09/obamas-speech-from-dunedin-florida.html#jumpto
I will cut taxes – cut taxes – for 95% of all working families. My opponent doesn’t want you to know this, but under my plan, tax rates will actually be less than they were under Ronald Reagan.
Change means a tax code that doesn’t reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it. I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.
If American taxpayers are financing this solution, you should be treated like investors. Wall Street and Washington should give you every penny of your money back once this economy recovers.
We cannot and will not simply bailout Wall Street without helping the millions of innocent homeowners who are struggling to stay in their homes.
American people should not be spending one dime to reward the same Wall Street CEOs whose greed and irresponsibility got us into this mess.
******
Mandate for Americans to buy health insurance
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/us/politics/04checkpoint.html
Mr. Obama raised the Clinton campaign’s ire late last week by charging in a voter mailing that “Hillary’s health care plan forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can’t afford it… and you pay a penalty if you don’t.”
Mrs. Clinton argues that she can make premiums affordable for low-income workers by spending $110 billion on subsidies and cost-saving devices. Like Mr. Obama, she would pay for her plan primarily by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for the wealthiest Americans. She would not allow exemptions from the insurance mandate, as Massachusetts does for those who cannot
Don’t bet on it… If Obama , Emanuel wanted a public option in the health bill it would have been in it from the start… They also would have placed persons on the broad to create this health legislation which were not republicans including their blue dogs which are republicans in every manner..
Obama is behind the scenes against the public option and is not the person I voted for.. Obama with the leadership of Emanuel is a Phony…
Obama says now he did not promise a public option..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUNCpnRBf9o
Wednesday, September 24, 2008…..Obama’s speech from Dunedin, Florida
http://speeches.demconwatchblog.com/2008/09/obamas-speech-from-dunedin-florida.html#jumpto
I will cut taxes – cut taxes – for 95% of all working families. My opponent doesn’t want you to know this, but under my plan, tax rates will actually be less than they were under Ronald Reagan.
Change means a tax code that doesn’t reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it. I will stop giving tax breaks to corporations that ship jobs overseas, and I will start giving them to companies that create good jobs right here in America.
If American taxpayers are financing this solution, you should be treated like investors. Wall Street and Washington should give you every penny of your money back once this economy recovers.
We cannot and will not simply bailout Wall Street without helping the millions of innocent homeowners who are struggling to stay in their homes.
American people should not be spending one dime to reward the same Wall Street CEOs whose greed and irresponsibility got us into this mess.
******
Mandate for Americans to buy health insurance
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/us/politics/04checkpoint.html
Mr. Obama raised the Clinton campaign’s ire late last week by charging in a voter mailing that “Hillary’s health care plan forces everyone to buy insurance, even if you can’t afford it… and you pay a penalty if you don’t.”
Mrs. Clinton argues that she can make premiums affordable for low-income workers by spending $110 billion on subsidies and cost-saving devices. Like Mr. Obama, she would pay for her plan primarily by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for the wealthiest Americans. She would not allow exemptions from the insurance mandate, as Massachusetts does for those who cannot
We the democrats have screwed up… We should have been recruiting a candidate to run against the democratic incumbents in the 2010 & 2012 elections..
These are republicans we have in office and their records prove it…
If they are democrats , than Bush & Cheney’s data mining must have dug up a ton of data about them to keep them in line..
The democrats attack anyone which talks out about their corporate-republican policies and their protection of Bush & Cheney’s administration crimes and corruption…
Obama has his attorney censoring and stopping any and all investigations into their crimes against our constitution , laws , democracy , bill of rights ,, country and citizens.
Emanuel and the republican centrists has taken over the democrat party and we are too lazy or do not wish to take the effort to replace them…
Obama is using the same d… corrupted and criminal policies which Bush & Cheney started..