For the first time in the health care debate in a couple months, the major players seem to be reading from the same script. The President made his pitch for health care reform before the big summit this week. Democrats, including members of the leadership, continue to sign on to using reconciliation to finish off the bill. And Harry Reid provided a timeline.
Democrats will finish their health reform efforts within the next two months by using a majority-vote maneuver in the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said.
Reid said that congressional Democrats would likely opt for a procedural tactic in the Senate allowing the upper chamber to make final changes to its healthcare bill with only a simple majority of senators, instead of the 60 it takes to normally end a filibuster.
“I’ve had many conversations this week with the president, his chief of staff, and Speaker Pelosi,” Reid said during an appearance Friday evening on “Face to Face with Jon Ralston” in Nevada. “And we’re really trying to move forward on this.”
The majority leader said that while Democrats have a number of options, they would likely use the budget reconciliation process to pass a series of fixes to the first healthcare bill passed by the Senate in November. These changes are needed to secure votes for passage of that original Senate bill in the House.
I think the White House and the Congressional leaders looked around, recognized that most of the rest of the agenda was stalled, and realized that if they wanted to show progress to the base they had to take up this health care bill, which offered the least resistance since something’s already passed the Senate and they could finish it off with 50 votes. A year of nothing in 2010 after a year of health care without final passage in 2009 would clearly have been devastating, and really there aren’t many other paths to progress. And with the President working the obstructionism angle hard, the ability to pass health care even in a polarized environment will, they probably believe, reflect well on their abilities. Here’s the last paragraph of the President’s YouTube address:
What’s being tested here is not just our ability to solve this one problem, but our ability to solve any problem. Right now, Americans are understandably despairing about whether partisanship and the undue influence of special interests in Washington will make it impossible for us to deal with the big challenges that face our country. They want to see us focus not on scoring points, but on solving problems; not on the next election but on the next generation. That is what we can do, and that is what we must do when we come together for this bipartisan health care meeting next week. Thank you, and have a great weekend.
The thinking goes that finishing health care would show the solving of a problem. And Mitch McConnell had to acknowledge that his ability to block passage is limited.
I do agree that the Democrats seized on the news peg about Anthem Blue Cross of California’s rate hike to return to health care, and it was a fairly sharp tactic for them. I’ve heard about Anthem in at least two dozen public comments from Administration officials in the past week. And it’s allowed a pivot, to contrast the bill with the consequences of inaction.
The only problem I see with this newfound approach from a mechanical standpoint, regardless of the content of the bill, is that they are going about it in a modular fashion. They first sought agreement on a procedure, and the reconciliation sidecar appears to have won out. Since the House refuses to go first, the action has been on the Senate side. But they must figure out a parliamentary function, to make it so the sidecar assumes passage of the Senate bill, otherwise the CBO scoring will prevent that solution (see here).
In addition, everyone is basically neglecting the House in all of this, and in particular the math of a bill without the Stupak amendment. I’ve probably mentioned this 50 times, but I don’t know where you find those dozen or so votes who would drop off the bill for that reason, no matter what gets passed in a sidecar (especially because this abortion issue probably cannot be solved there).




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I agree. the democrats can work out the health care part. contending with the abortion “reconciliation” part is the very difficult piece.
oh please! do you really think these wimpy dems will push reconciliation? “won’t get fooled again”!
the senate bill is an unpopular one, with good reason. the only thing that will help the dems will be a public option, but they seem to be suicidal. they will either pass the terrible senate plan or nothing, and then have them lose badly in november. maybe that will be a wake-up call, but it’s doubtful.
how many times can we get our hopes up, only to be fucked over by this group?
here are three popular ideas that take effect NOW and win votes and should be part of the reconciliation:
-close the donut hole.
-offer Medicare buy-in at 55
-extend the right to COBRA for fired/laid off workers until the exchanges kick in.
need another?
-require a 90% medical loss ratio
not arguing that those wouldn’t be popular, just doubting the moral courage of these paid to play dems.
closing the donut hole would be great, except who has vetted the cost?
at what price can the 55 year olds can participate-medicare a & b cost $110 per month without supplemental ins.
can’t possibly afford to put people in at that price.
extending cobra still leaves an unemployed person with a very high after tax premium. either let all premiums be after tax or before tax, but why should people who are employed have the advantage of having their premiums not be part of taxable income, while the people without jobs, who can least afford it be penalized?
the 90% mlr would be fine with me, but the calculation of these pols would be how much would that reduce my contributions in my next campaign if i agree?
This idea of ramming a bill through with only a majority vote is positively un-American.
The Democrats aren’t resurrecting healthcare because they care about Americans or even the election. They want to finish the corporate sellout on it they began a year ago. But they remain so disorganized that it is anybody’s guess whether they will get anything passed or not. At this late date, it scarcely matters which happens. They have so botched the substance and the process.
That’s snark, right?
I haven’t read all the stories but saw at least one headline after this morning’s talking heads shows that stated that McConnell doesn’t think he can stop the Democrats if they do things by reconciliation.
And apparently by stopping, he meant getting ten Democrats to vote against.
Take out your hymnals ladies and germs.
Today we will be singing.
Big Pharma on your back.
This kind of mandate is for your own good.
And other gentle looting tunes.
It’s really really HARD work to figure out how to give the store away to the corps while hiding it from the voters.
here’s what I fear is obama’s strategy;
the corporatist in him does NOT want “the public option”, nor does any politician who’s been taking excessive funding from the health insurance industry
now, the health care industry actually wants the bill the way it stands, where millions of people are forced into their web of profit, where they get the united states government acting as re-po collectors
the republicans are going to be told by the insurance industry to get this done so they aren’t going to be allowed to follow roves orders of obstruction
obama is making believe “a bi-particant bill is preferred”, which of course it is not but he’s going there anyway
so “the public option” will be their make believe bargaining chip, the president will bargain it away for a few republican votes
these few republicans will be instructed to “fall on their sword” and they will vote with the democrats, giving the republicans the bill they want without looking like they abandoned their orders from limpballs
so that’s the way I see it, obama is going to bargain away the public option if it really does become part of reconciliation
Had to read that twice. LOL
It appears they have the dance choreographed, but I know how this tango is going to go:
- Senate will up the Nelson amendment to Stupak level; can’t piss off the Catholic Bishops you know… So there’s the Senate “cave”
- Both Houses will agree that the mandate stays in, so there’s the “win-win”
- The PO will disappear, so there’s the House “cave.” Harry Reid will be responsible for this. There’s no one else, unless something surprising happens, which is possible.
Then this pesky issue will be behind them!
dems want to follow the Constitution and avoid the minority veto (filibuster) and the goopers get all whiny and the vapors.
still hopin’ for a good outcome.
You are SO right.
Lucy will pull the football away once again…! 8-(
First of all the Senate is not the upper chamber it is the chamber in the Congress that is the most thoroughly compromised and corrupted by lobbyist money and the most inept. It does not deserve any particular distinction but rather the public’s derision.
Also I agree completely that to rely on the will of the Senate to pass a health bill that contains the minimal criteria to assure universal coverage and control of cost is delusional.
The problem with the current health system in the US is no secret nor is the solution. For profit monopolized private insurers with no willingness or interest in negotiating for lower fees for services is the problem. Setting up a large not for profit insurance plan that will compete with private insurers and negotiate for lower drug and provider costs is the demonstrated solution.
The Senate has no interest in setting up a system that will compete with private insurers and that will challenge their profits. And they have shown that unwillingness for over a year every step along the way.
Why is there a reluctance to see what has been shown to the public by the Seante time and time again. What is the problem with people how dense is the public really.
what are you hoping for? the best case scenario is mandates to buy insurance from scum who have been given an anti-trust exemption. come on that is a non-starter and NO COST CONTROL
we called and called CA, and Dianne Feinstein came around.
you should try it in your state.
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/02/18/feinstein-reed-udall-boxer-sign-on-to-public-option-letter/
That’s the way I see it too. The Dems are using our push for a public option to scare the Repubs into compromising on the Senate bill. They are signing this public option letter without having the slightest intent on pushing for a public option and are using it solely as a scare tactic on reconciliation and to gain points with their constituents. This is just more politics.
The Dems don’t want a public option because they fear the loss of corporate money. There is no way a public option gets into the final bill. We need to get rid of every single one of these Democrats.
i have hopes that we will get a public option, and that there will be at least an 85% medical loss ration on private-issue insurance.
I can hope and act on that hope. I am glad the Congress is being forced to reconciliation. It opens up the possibilities.
I am not saying it will happen. I know Lucy and can see her lurking.
But I still put in the time calling and trying to make a difference.
WAPO poll shows 6 in 10 support a public option.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/19/AR2009101902451.html
Feinstein didn’t come around no matter how much you want to believe that. She signed her name on a letter. We know how much that means, don’t we?
I can’t dispute that pols will go back on their word.
as i said, i see lucy lurkin’.
Sad that Jane is still being hammered for ‘getting in bed’ with Grover…! 8-(
I think this will fail. Too many moving parts, now. People already know they’re being screwed by these bills, complication will only piss them off more.
“I agree. the democrats can work out the health care part.”
The dems could have worked it out at any time in the last 9 months, but didn’t.
I appreciate the hopeful attitudes, but Harry lies. And Obama ..well, he’s just blowing more smoke.
I remember Harry saying the gang of 10 reached a deal – right before a Nevada fundraiser. And the talk of a reconciliation vote with the PO comes again, before a Nevada campaign stop, and while they still bend over for Republican support.
You watch. Our Progressive instincts haven’t been wrong so far.
The players have already crossed the line, intentionally. No way in hell will Harry or Obama bypass Republican support now to get a good bill.
Obama, Rahm and Reid have worked and stalled hard, putting most Congressional Dems so in fear of 2010 they’ll take even more Republican concessions and will pass an even worse bill.
This use of Red state fear mongering is an old trick used by Rahm and Reid in the past -and Obama has them as his point men.
HCR will die a torturous death.
i feel a tad reticent pushing the hope-for and work-for-it thing.
But I reserve the right to be really pissed off if it doesnt go down without an excise tax and with a public option.
as I said at numero 3—those are thing I would really like to see, though I dont have any hope for 90% MLR.
Please tell me just exactly what Senator Feinstein has commited to including in the Senate bill to be reconciled with the House bill so that we can discuss things better.
And if you could document her commitment that would be better still.
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Man alive. Look, I’m not arguing that the prospects for passing the public option are dim, or the the Dems are acting in their own self-interest. I guess my thing is where does the attitude of “Forget it! It’ll never work! Let’s give up now!” get us? Wouldn’t it be better to make as strong a push now while we still have a window of opportunity get us? When did the progressive motto become “Why bother?”
at a point misplaced hope is counter productive–that time was about six months ago. i dont understand why you guys have not revolted like the tea partiers. You have been treated far worse by your leadership.
How is it counter-productive? What more productive things should we be directing our energies to?
The Gooper freakout is sure to be some sweet schadenfreude, but it’s going to be almost as much fun to watch the PUMAtic Obamasux crowd freakout if the Dems can pull this off.
By ‘pull this off’ do you mean the public option, medical loss ratios, banning recission?
Or do you mean simply passing a mandate to make everyone buy insurance from for profit insurance scumbags?
I think that when a set of weighty problems arise from neglect and are left untended one has to assign the culprits responsible before one can set about fixing them. The health care problem we face is the result of an unwillingness by the Democrats to attack the root cause of the problem. To lay your hopes on this group of people to suddenly act differently is futile.
One should instead look for alternate ways of solving the problem. Either postulate and support progressive candidates to Congress and act to pass local initiatives that limit the way corporations are allowed to function. At some point you need to come to the realization that the Democratic party as currently construed is not the vehicle for the change that needs to come about.
Its not a matter of scaring the Democrats into behaving better out of their self interest, it’s just that you give up on the Democrats as a viable approach and seek a different approach.
Can’t we do both? Can’t we push for more progressive candidates as well as push for the current Dems to push through real reform? FDL definitely hasn’t been shy about putting pressure on Harry Reid and other members of Congress to pass it in the past. Is there any reason not to try again, just because it might not work?
Well, I would trust them to use reconciliation to pass a really crappy PO that did nothing to help people so that they could try to pacify us by saying “See, we gave you a PO. We really do listen….”
I agree, it just all been so …disheartening.
I keep calling my Senators and MoveON has a virtual march going on so take a look at that.
I just don’t think they give a hoot what we want anymore , esp after the SCROTUS decision to hand the elections over to the corporations.
Iran has a military dictatorship, we have a corporate one.
If Rahm really is out like Cenk thinks, then there could be a whole new game afoot here. The Thursday live TV spectacle seems 100% of a piece with PBO’s live TV floor-wiping of the Rs from their “retreat” a couple weeks ago, which was engineered by Plouffe. This is a great time for a strategy shift: the Rs are tired and off their game, CPAC’s made ‘em all look like a bag of clowns, and popular anger over the SCOTUS CU decision’s peaking. And consider the timing — if they start now, they’ll be finishing right when the midterm campaigns are kicking in, and a health insurance win will boost all that… picking up seats.
I think there’s a shot at this. The conditions are right and the motivation is strong.
act with the disaffection of some one who has been betrayed by their leadership. It is why I left the dem party. the leadership of the republican party is not talked about by the tea baggers. The progressive should quit talking about how bad the leadership is and start talking about using the party as the necessary vehicle to get non-establishment candidates elected–to their credit the tea party people understand that the parties are the problem
The public option is not in the “sidecar” In fact, we don’t really have ANY idea what is in that sidecar, but one thing that most certainly ISN’T is there is the public option.
Regarding the GOP, they get to have it both ways. They can continue to obstruct, while their corporate masters still get their bill because the Reconciliation bill can pass without any GOP votes.
The kabuki theater is complete. Obama continues in power so Emanuel can continue to cut deals with the bankers and lobbies. Pharma got their deal and they can continue gouging Americans. The insurance companies retain their monopolies and antitrust exemption. The Republicans can still keep attacking Obama and not have to take any ownership for this health care bill.
So everybody gets what they want. Everybody except for the public.
I’ve got a bad feeling about this. I am guessing mandate and tax on benefits are the only things that won’t get voted off the island.
Yes! This is what I’ve been saying! Your analysis, I believe, is correct and will unfortunately prevail.
Ok, so is it ok if I advocate for the public option to be passed by sidecar, as long as I’m really, really pissed off about it?
I say ask your senators to sign the Bennet letter. Keep fighting for the public option and eventually single payer. Never ever give up. That’s the right answer, not all this cynicism, which has a basis in fact, but doesn’t get us where we need to be.
the public option they are serving up will only cover 2% by of the population by 2019, at best,with negotiated rates against companies that have substantial market concentration. For that you will be mandated to buy coverage from bad people. no re-import,no cost controls.that is not good not worthy of your support. don’t get mad. JOIN THE REVOLUTION and actually change things
Where are you getting those figures? I’m not sure how we can calculate a public option that doesn’t exist yet. And isn’t it better to have a public option that we can someday maybe buy into than none at all?
Er, sure. Want to give me directions as to where I might find that?
Right.
It’s two chess puzzles. First, mate in 51. Second, mate in 218.
Easy!
I agree with you.
And, as much as I know the PO should be in the bill, there is always tomorrow.