Yesterday, Gen. David Petraeus became the latest military leader to downplay the significance of the military’s Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy on unit cohesion or military effectiveness, suggesting that he too has no problem with repealing it:
GREGORY: Do you think soldiers on the ground in the field care one way or the other if their comrade in arms are gay or lesbian?
PETRAEUS: I’m not sure that they do. … You heard Gen. Powell who was the chairman when the policy was implemented, had a big hand in that, who said that yes, indeed, the earth has revolved around the sun a number of times since that period 15 months ago. You have heard a variety of anecdotal input. We have experienced certainly in the CIA and the FBI — I know, I served, in fact, in combat with individuals who were gay and who were lesbian in combat situations. Frankly, you know, over time you said, hey, how’s this guy shooting or how is her analysis or what have you?
It was amusing to see Tim Pawlenty, directly after Petraeus said this on Meet the Press, argue that the military thinks the DADT policy has worked. Petraeus is just the latest of the military to say basically the opposite, that repeal would cause no major outcry. He joins the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, former JCS Chair and Secretary of State Colin Powell, former Secretary of Defense and Vice President Dick Cheney, etc., etc. There may be a few bigots left in the military leadership (we may hear from some of them this week), but they appear to be in the minority. Far from being indoctrinated or brainwashed, the leadership is simply prepared to make a change they view as no big deal.
So right at this moment, in swoops Joe Lieberman to try and take the lead in the Congress.
Just when you thought Joe Lieberman couldn’t frustrate and perplex liberals any further, he is going off to become chief sponsor of the most significant piece of socially progressive legislation that Congress will deal with this year.
Next week, the Connecticut senator will announce that he’s taking the lead on repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, the 1993 law that prohibits gay people from serving openly in the armed forces. Since implementation of the statute nearly 20 years ago, the military has discharged some 14,000 qualified men and women, many of them serving in critical jobs like Arabic and Persian translation.
This is a James Kirchick article, and it’s mainly written to stick liberals in the eye by lauding Lieberman as a proud man of principle, who acts on his beliefs no matter the ideological direction in which they lead. The better explanation is that he needs every man, woman and child in this country eligible to serve in his cascade of proposed military adventures.
But let’s back off the proud man of principle argument for a second. Joe Lieberman could have come out the day Obama was elected and handled this, as it was a campaign promise. Instead, the project fell to relative newcomers like Patrick Murphy in the House and Kirsten Gillibrand in the Senate, because the old guard was simply afraid to address it. Now that the President, practically the entire senior leadership at the Pentagon, close to 200 House members and pretty much everyone in the Democratic caucus in the Senate have signed on, now Lieberman announces his “leadership”? That’s supposed to be a mark of boldness?
If this helps the bill along – Gillibrand is not on the committee of jurisdiction, Armed Services, and having a senior member may help – then great. And Lieberman is merely following what John McCain said all along – when the military comes to him and argues for a change, he will agree to it. At least he held to his word better than St. McCain, who’s in the middle of a primary that has pushed him further to the right. But Lieberman can get over himself on this. Others do the hard work and he enters at the last minute to hog the glory. That’s something less than leadership.



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Wonder if Lieberman figures that since even his CPAC buddies can’t get themselves too worked up into a gay-panic lather, he can score freebie political points on this without any attendant political risk?
Yes.
Contrast Lieberman with Blumenthal at CPAC:
“Max Blumenthal vs. Breitbart, Hannah Giles, and Conservative Crazy Mob@CPAC 2010″
http://www.americablog.com/2010/02/max-blumenthal-drives-cpacers-crazy.html
What idiot chose Joe to lead this? We will now have months of his droopy face on TV whining and parading around. UGH!
I wonder what he wants to attach to the bill?
liarman….STFU you little slimy weasel!
OT- Just got in so I don’t know if this has been discussed. Cheney’s in the hospital after chest pains.
This is a PR move Holy Joe needs a PR makeover like OJ does. Still lets see it get passed first lots of bills get announced with great PR all over the Media for a few weeks then they are never heard about again.
John McCain was against torture but what ever happened to that?
I’ll believe Joe has maybe one Principle if it passes.
Very Good question.
So the Republican mantra on this idiotic policy is “it works” (Pawlenty, McCain)
So, why don’t we ask them, What has it worked at accomplishing? It has worked- they’re right- it’s worked at throwing out talented Arabic translators, technicians, trainers, corporals, sergeants, ten year and twenty year veterans of the military. It has worked very well in getting rid of some of our best and brightest from the military, who were committed to serving their country, and who fought in these politicians’ idiotic wars.
Oh and I fully expect zero leadership from Obama on this thing as well, he’ll leave it to congress (!). If this bill can’t pass with “bipartisanship” then it just wasn’t meant to be, right? My prediction: failure, 59-41.
GOPers tend to die before they are investigated Ken Lay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Casey#Death
Iraq and Afghanistan will Party!
Pawlenty is Rove’s choice the GOP convention went to his state. to boost his profile. Not because Minnesota is a red state its a highly white state Rove thinks should be a GOP state.
Rove thinks all Nordic types should be on his side. The guy never met Norske:)
BREAKING NEWS: Former Vice President Dick Cheney hospitalized for chest pains. CNN
His doctors are evaluating the situation, and Cheney, 69, is resting comfortably at George Washington University Hospital, the staff said in a statement.
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Fully covered, too.
The Lefty Blogs however are largely White and educated but not super rich. The GOP needs to win that demographic to win National elections now that Obama can get the African American vote to turn out.
Appeals to race are less effective when bankers get millions with our cash. We know we are being taxed to save Wallstreet.
We know the Obama healthcare plan taxes income not income and assets which means we get taxed more proportionate than the rich do.
The GOP will run on repealing Obama’s healtcare plan next election. A few GOP votes will provide no cover for the Blue Dogs.
I wish I had his government healthcare plan. I won’t stop till I get it or better:)
The NY Daily News article says Lieberman was asked by the White House and Gay Rights Groups.
Gah.
The Conservatives always look back to the past at what has worked. The Spartans were arguably the best solders ever if not for them we would all be speaking Persian/Modern day Iranian.
But Money or in this case winning elections trumps sense.
Good catch, and sums it up.
Crap Google’s failing me I wanted to find a reference to the last Toltec Queen leading her troops to battle against the Aztecs to show woman as well Gays could fight.
I read this in my community college library in largely White Mchenry County Go MCC! Mchenry County Community College! I know more than several different google searches looking for the same topic:) My Teachers should be Proud their library is better than Google:)
Eat this Elite Colleges think your better than me? I eat Your Harvard MBA President, his Chicago School economists and his Elite College educated Neocons foreign Policy twerps not for lunch but for a snack.
I beat Google on a book I read over 20 years ago.
I regret I can’t find a link or remember the title to prove this.
The struggle for women to serve I feels has some parallels to the Gay struggle now.
Even his organs are in revolt against this war criminal
Do not get me started on Ken Lay.
My Vodoo doll is working:) New Orleans will be avenged!!! Taloc gave Bush and Cheney a chance for Greatness or Failure they just had to rebuild New Orleans well and the African American vote would have been theirs.
They choose failure so they can live with the expected retribution The God of the Smoking Mirror (another god not Taloc lord of Hurricanes drove away the White God who would return the first time!
Life is cycles every generation must defeat a new recycled evil that Rhymes rather than repeats you can’t fight the last war something always changes.
The Neo Hoovers running Obama’s economic policy are a Prime example.
Pagan Mystics Rule!
I think we need more Pagans Preaching here:)
Can we implement a DADTLieberman policy? If we don’t ask him anything, will he STFU?
No Jane has been trying that for years the man has no shame thats why I don’t trust him.
No please a diary would be cool the Lake I think needs more follow up on stories.
What no theological discussions from the trolls maybe next time I use Norse myths and humiliate their education. I was reading Norse myths in grade school the books were there if anyone wanted to read.:)
I really don’t mind if Lieberman is taking the initiative on this issue. If we repeal DADT and gays and lesbians can serve openly and/or without fear of being themselves, that’s all I care about.
The taller original inhabitants the Giants much like the American Indians compared to the Colonists did have some complaints I’m sure about how they were forced on reservations and out of the Prime land Odin took.
Notice they never mention those complaints the acknowledge the war happened not the reason.
Still they justify themselves as smarter than the dim Giants but Loki the accepted Giant is always smarter than them all:)
I have to get Knowbuddha and Norske’s take on these thoughts.
And No I don’t want war I’m working here to stop that!
I like your stories:) Mine are gone Torquemada burned our stuff
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_codices
I hope Dick gets a seat next to him in Hell!!!
Shouldn’t gays have the right to marry if they are going to be cannon fodder for Joe Lieberman?
So why won’t Joe support gay marriage for people he is willing to erase from the planet to fulfill his imperial fantasies?
At the end of the day, whether DADT is finally put to it’s well deserved repose or not, Lieberman is still the guy we all know and, well, know. No redemption available for last minute posers.
Selise if your still here from last thread this is the value of my rants stories my Mom told me people still demanding justice and their great grand kids don’t forget.
The Passion of over a million dead their kids still treated as slaves! Despite being wage slaves in a foreign land
the Lake of Kilkenny Illinois is my home not the Pyramids of Ancient Mexico.
The Strength of the the Land is always mine. GOPers want to send me back…try it.
I need allies I know except for the Paulites every one of you I find acceptable No Proud to fight with.
We all bring different things to the fight lets show the Borg of Sameness my passion, your links and the millions of different weapons we all bring to the fight just try F%$%ers to defend against Difference with the Same:)
The Lord Of the Smoking Mirror would be proud:)
What still no GOP trolls tell me Classically trained Chumps Zeus swallowing Metis the Titan of Memory after the much taller Titans were defeated notice Indians were taller as well as Giants were taller than the perfect race each time?
After the conquest of the Titans Zeus swallowed Metis but because the world still needed wisdom out of Zeus’s own head was Athens the Goddess of Wisdom born.
Ever think that PC GOPers rants about multicultural history is more Zeus trying to eat rather than learn from the past you did have slaves, you nearly committed Genocide, but not for Noble reasons.
But because Europe was a hellhole and fleeing that place finding you could fight for a better place meant you lived.
We were the only thing in your way but why share? Your Masters in Europe had taught you well
Like an abused kid you did what your Masters who you fled taught you you knew no other thing.
Now safe you dress up Manifest Destiny as a Nobel Cause.
Rather than what it was Desperation learn from the past don’t Repeat it Break the Cycle.
Or you will learn why Athena the Wise One was Zeus’s Heir.
The Lord of the Smoking Mirror waits in judgment will Man learn or repeat history/take the class again?
Only when the Devil thinks we might learn will he expend his full efforts and Armageddon come thus has spoke
the Prophet.
Lieberman is not up for reelection until 2012. He has plenty of time to screw up royally (some more) between now and then, and I think the people of Connecticut have pretty much had it with him anyway. If they can get a real, live, progressive Democrat to run against him, he’ll be toast. Also maybe by then Obama will get over his love affair with Lieberman: the fact that Lieberman was Obama’s mentor when he first came to the senate can carry him only so far. I hope.
Doubt me Trolls Google me on the economy, the war the economy, Pakistan. The age of prophets is over the Jewish authorities say? They never told the Lord of the Smoking Mirror!!!
Come on GOP trolls surely you’ve read Greek Myths? the Huff Post might be interested:)
Like the Cheshire Cat I smile Like the laughing Laughing Hyena Laugh Learn from your mistakes Mankind choose Peace or repeat the Class.
Like Pandora the Rational mind can’t even think about a non rational truth or discusses it?
The Rational mind needs to learn the Mystic without the Dogma needed to get Sociopaths to accept it as long as they don’t get caught or else repeat the class there will be no peace.
Repeating shit is necessary for those who don’t want to learn!
My mind goes in weird places with interesting stimuli:)
amen!
and i hope your rants won’t let your grand kids’ generation forget either.
(i wasn’t on the thread, but saw my name called…. off now….)
Thanks Selise :)
Does anyone not believe that McCain and Lindsey Graham didn’t call up there bitch Holy Joe to take “control” of the Dem caucus approach to DADT? Does anyone believe that Holy Joe should have one ounce of trust on this issue or congressional effort in the Senate?